Trv Kvlt KrowdSourcing Vol. 1

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Rather than come up with a new article every single time I see a KickStarter worthy of my attention, I’ve decided to start doing a weekly or bi-weekly (AKA whenever I have nothing to do at work) update on which KickStarters, IndieGogos, blah blah blahs you should be looking at. I’m actually a big fan of bands who crowd source, because I think it’s a good way to stick it to the shitty record labels that aren’t willing to take a chance on bands with actual music as opposed to bands they keep trying to tell us we want to see.

This week, there’s a few good bands that are asking you to take a chance on them. Here are my favorites:

MIDNITE HELLIONThe First Full Length
Midnite Hellion is one of those great local bands that consistently puts out good music and plays good shows. Based in Jersey, they’re an old-school four-piece that utilizes each band member for everything they’re worth. A perfect match for metal fans that enjoy that “classic” style with good harmonies and vocals. They remind me a lot of Priest, with female vocals that are very reminiscent of 70’s Halford. Check out their single, “Hour of the Wolf.” As of right now, they’re only about 76% toward their extremely modest goal of $2,200. Believe me, this is a pittance when it comes to funding a full studio album (for comparison’s sake, it can cost between $1-4k to record a song with a professional producer) so if you have any spare change to throw at someone in need, consider these guys.


 

Wilderun2nd Full Length Album
For the folk/power metal fans out there, Wilderun is a great example of good musicianship and storytelling. If you’re on your way to the renaissance faire and you want something to play in your car, consider Wilderun! They alternate between clean and gutteral vocals with both guitars and folk instruments so there’s a little something for everyone. Check out their fun track, “Storm Along” for a great example of their jam. Another band with a modest goal ($5k), they’re currently a little past half-way toward finishing with a few weeks left. Grab an ale and send them your doubloons.


 

 Veronica Freeman‘s Now or Never
Last but not least, we’ve got Veronica Freeman of Benedictum and her KickStarter to raise funds for a solo album. Veronica Freeman is arguably one of the best metal vocalists in the business (yes, that includes men), and sounds kind of like a female Dio mixed with Leather Leone. She has put out some great albums with her band and is constantly working, but that has not stopped her from writing more music and doing lots of other projects, so this is one of them. Check out a song from the last Benedictum album, Fractured, to get an idea of her incredible range and strength. She’s been in the business for a long time, so don’t be surprised by all the names of people helping her get the word out (Michael Sweet from Stryper, Jeff Pilson, John Herrera, Mike Lepond, Tony Martin,Leather Leone, Ryan Greene, Kenny Lewis, Peter Tentindo, Meliesa McDonell, and Michael Harris). Especially don’t be surprised if a few of them wind up on the album itself.

Of course, I don’t have time to check out every single crowd-funding campaign in the universe, so I’ve probably missed out on some good ones. Share your picks in the comments section and help out your favorite musicians, because this is probably going to be how more and more bands will be funding their music from now on. Bottom line – if you like music, throw some money at it. You get the music, and the musicians get to make it. Everyone wins.

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  • Edward #negrod4eva

    Crowdsourcing albums in such a modern, interesting phenomenon. I haven’t contributed to one yet. I hand it to bands that put out records in this way even if I may have mixed feelings about it.

    • YourLogicIsFlushed

      Why mixed feeling? Genuinely curious as to what the downfall is, as I always thought it was a good idea.

      • God

        well, they could end up releasing pieces of shit.

      • Edward #negrod4eva

        Well, I guess it seems odd to me to have your fans pay to produce your albums. I’m not saying there is anything wrong with it, it just bucks ideas I have held about music and musicians and producing albums. I’ve been a fan of a lot of DIY bands (most notably probably hip hop artists) so it’s just something new to me.

        • YourLogicIsFlushed

          Ah. alright. I figured that since most of the contributors were probably going to pay for the album and maybe some extra merch anyway, I figured why not have that money go into producing the album in the first place, but I guess it does seem a bit odd when you think about it.

          • Edward #negrod4eva

            It’s smart for bands that pull it off successfully. Truly a modern approach to putting out albums. I mean this shit is only a couple years old huh?

            I would consider it for some small but important (in my mind) act. Like if Gorguts needed crowdsourcing to put out the Colored Sands sequel and they had some kick ass packages I would definitely think about it. If Pissgrave needed to crowdsource and album and it meant I could actually own their music, same thing. Boom.

          • Huge fan of crowdsourcing here–I’ve backed many projects (mostly board games, but some albums). No offense to those musicians who haven’t found it to work for them, but if you aren’t making money from a campaign (above and beyond your recording budget), then you’re either not doing it right or you don’t have the fan base. You CAN ask for a funding goal of more than what it costs to produce your album you know. Provide a good product and cool perks and interaction with your fans, and you can fund over your initial goal. Since generally speaking, unit production costs go down with more units produced, the more you go over your goal, the more money will be left over for you and your band mates after.

            We had this discussion last year over on FFB. Go check out campaigns from Amanda Palmer, Murder By Death, Obituary, Protest the Hero, Byzantine, etc. to see how different campaigns are run. Murder By Death’s latest campaign just funded successfully, and they had really awesome perks–I do question how much money they make personally since they are producing an album on vinyl, an art book and other stuff, but that’s more a product of a perhaps overly-ambitious campaign. But it also seems to be funding at least part of their tour (these guys tour mercilessly by the way).

            It won’t work for everybody, but knocking it seems stupid. Would you rather stay shackled to the old industry system where you’re just making money for someone else and/or still going into debt? To be a successful DIY artist, you’re going to have to have some business sense too.

        • Glolcamole Buttz

          I see it as being a really good way around the current decline in the music industry, and the piracy problem (sorry Blackbeard). People don’t want to buy albums any more, since they can get them for free. But that means that nobody has the money to front an album, because essentially they’re just funnelling money towards something that (unless you’re T-Swift or someone and your money comes in from advertising) will give you little to no revenue. But the crowdfunding option circumvents the label situation entirely, and essentially becomes like a pre-order. People understand that it takes money to make an album, and the band just releases the album to those who contributed for free, plus some bonuses. Theoretically, everyone wins.

          • YourLogicIsFlushed

            This actually brings about a new question. If the band is obligated to spend any money they receive on the album, and most of their fans buy in to the pre-order idea, does the band like not make any money for themselves after the campaign is over?

          • Glolcamole Buttz

            My assumption is that the money that is raised includes a salary for the band members, because they gotta eat and pay their taxes like everyone else. The money would have to cover all expenses of doing an album, which is probably why most bands ask for quite a bit more than just what booking a studio would cost.

          • Nina Osegueda

            “My assumption is that the money that is raised includes a salary for the band members…”

            AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I wish!! Wouldn’t that be awesome??

          • Glolcamole Buttz

            Shit, for real? I am really glad I’m not trying to be a musician to make money. This seems like a terrible way to do business — not kickstarter or anything like that, but the fact that getting money from kickstarter doesn’t include a personal salary to cover even the most basic of living expenses.

          • Sarah Lafayette

            Yeah, even a lot of the musicians you see on Nuclear Blast aren’t really making any money for themselves. With crowd-funding, bands typically put 100% of the money into creating the products they’re going to sell, so they don’t need to use their personal money and go bankrupt.

          • Glolcamole Buttz

            Interesting. So crowdfunding presupposes an different source of income for the artist’s survival. It seems odd to me, but we’re still in an awkward transition time figuring out how the music industry is going to take shape in the wake of the internet. This crowfunding format may become the norm, but what it will entail may be different. I’d like to see musicians be able to support themselves off their music, but that may be wishful thinking.

          • Sarah Lafayette

            The sad truth is that most musicians do not make a living as musicians. Even the ones who tour are usually going home to a day-job.

          • KJM

            I imagine most of the bands on my top 10 list this year have day jobs.

          • Nina Osegueda

            The bands typically make no money for themselves. It can cost around $20k to produce/record/press an album, and labels typically give bands half of that. The band is responsible for raising the rest. Now if you’re not on a label, that makes you gotta come up with all of it. There is never anything left for the band to make a profit, so all of the money in the KickStarter is used up just to put the album out.

          • YourLogicIsFlushed

            Fuck, I am glad I am not a musician…

          • Stockhausen

            My band’s last album cost several thousand (it ended somewhere between 5-8), which we got a great deal on since our good friend is a professional engineer, and we used his connections for mixing and mastering. Our drummer happened to be at a lucky point where he was able to finagle his GI Bill money from school for personal use, and basically dumped all of it into the album and we pooled funds for the rest. We’ll be paying him back for awhile. Financing albums sucks.

          • Sarah Lafayette

            You guys are very lucky that you were able to get such a good deal. Can I get a link to your band?

          • Stockhausen

            Indeed we were, funding the next one will be interesting since it’ll be more on our own.

            Here you are, I do vocals and bass.

            roguerecordsamerica.bandcamp.com/album/project-19

          • Sarah Lafayette

            Very good sound, definitely pro.

          • Stockhausen

            Thanks! We love the songs but in retrospect we’re going to be a lot pickier about tones and mastering. I feel like it ended up a little thin and not full sounding at times.

          • Lacertilian

            I like it so far.

          • Edward #negrod4eva

            Glock Jim I’m gonna dive facefirst into that Death Grips song after work today.

            What I was saying before, but may not have been totally clear, is a lot of the musicians I used to love had “indie” labels before there was crowdsourcing. I imagine hip hop is slightly different that metal, but, they needed equipment, and damn straight they still needed albums to be mixed and mastered so they paid someone for that (Joey Raia is a beast). A lot of DJX’s greatest albums also had great album art, packaging, and personal effects too. I don’t know exactly how the albums were funded but I always heard/read that the label was pretty good to the artists, too.

          • Glolcamole Buttz

            A good example of a hip-hop label that did it right is Strange Music (Tech N9ne’s label, for those who don’t know). They’re doing remarkably well at a time when the industry is failing, so I think that’s the sort of thing that you’re talking about.

            Also, dat new Death Grips. So good. I’ve been jamming nothing else all morning.

          • Tech N9ne! Representing KC. A good friend of mine that I went to college with works for his company and shoots/edits music videos. Lucky dude.

          • Glolcamole Buttz

            That’s awesome!! I’ve been a Tech fan for quite a few years now, and Strange seems like a great place to work. It seems like they work hard, but they’re doing well for themselves. Something’s being done right over there.

    • I haven’t backed any yet, either. I can only really respect bands that have already put out some albums and decide to go the crowdfunding route after establishing their legitimacy, kinda like Protest the Hero did.

      • YourLogicIsFlushed

        I think PtH was my only contribution to a crowd funding thing. I almost contributed to a lucid dreaming mask, but that is a different thing all together.

        • VVorld Peace

          A lucid dreaming mask? Like something you wear at night to lucid dream?

          • yeah, that’s not something you can just toss into casual conversation

          • YourLogicIsFlushed

            Haha yeah, it like flashes lights in your eyes during REM and it supposedly helps you realize you are dreaming so you can start controlling things. I was big into lucid dreaming a few years ago, it’s crazy fun on the rare occasion that I get it to work.

          • VVorld Peace

            I used to be able to ld when I was kid, but that was many moons ago. I haven’t tried as an adult.

          • YourLogicIsFlushed

            75% of the time I would get so excited that I got it to work that it woke me up. Lucid Dreaming Catch-22.

      • TrickleDownOvTacoKvltRiff

        I like your thinking on this…

    • i’ve contributed to other things, but not yet for albums (aside from Scott Stapp’s new solo record and novel OF COURSE). i have mixed feelings about that as well, not sure why. i guess because smaller bands like Lazer/Wulf can produce a flawless album without crowdfunding…

      • Edward #negrod4eva

        I wanna read Arnold Schwarzenegger’s autobiography.

      • HessianHunter

        Typically a band dumps a shitload of (label?) money into a recording, then they have to sell it to make said money back. Not every small band can afford front a bunch of their own money. Crowdsourcing fixes the money flow issue, where people are effectively pre-ordering the album BEFORE the band has to dump a zillion dollars into recording.

        It also gauges interest, so that if a band just doesn’t have the fanbase anymore to make a record, they won’t end up wasting a zillion of their own/label’s dollars for a nonexistent fan base. (Thinking of failed “comeback” kickstarters like Orgy and Metro Station.)

        • Sarah Lafayette

          Exactly. Consider the fact that Unlocking The Truth (that band with the kids) was given a $1.7 million dollar “record deal” that includes a $60,000 advance. Considering how most metal albums these days are lucky to sell even $50k worth of albums (and that’s if they’re super famous already), how well do you think a band made up of 3 kids is going to do? Are they going to sell Metallica-level numbers? Or are they going to wind up in debt for the rest of their lives?

        • this must be the explain of that Nuclear Blast/Jari Maenpäa feud, baby pumpkin?

          • That got kind of sorted out. NB is letting him crowdfund for a studio of his own, which in the long run is a smart move since he can put out however much he wants on his own terms, and make the money back from musicians who’ll no doubt book time there.

        • I honestly wish crowdfunding was at least a plausible reality when I was doing music management and promotions. Would’ve saved shitloads of time, headaches and what turned out to be a very corrupt label (Black Flames).

    • Sarah Lafayette

      Think of it this way:
      Bands typically need to get a loan from a label to create an album (that doesn’t sound like home-produced shit). If they’re not on a label, and they don’t have some rich uncle somewhere, they need to find that money. That’s where crowd sourcing comes in. Bands get the money they need, fans get the music.

      • Sarah, thanks for your explanation! I didn’t think of it that way.

      • BLVKKBEVRD’S FŒTID VBDVCTEES

        *that doesn’t sound like a trve black metal album

    • OldMetalHead

      I contributed to the Acrassicauda kickstarter. The band started working on their LP in September, and the album is expected early next year. If you don’t recognize the band name, they’re the band that Vice magazine made the documentary “Heavy Metal in Baghdad” about. They have a lot of NWBHM and Thrash influences in their music. I’ll let you know how it turns out.

      https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/acrassicauda/acrassicaudas-official-first-full-length-album

      • TrickleDownOvTacoKvltRiff

        good movie! they ended up moving to Brooklyn right?

        • OldMetalHead

          Right! Ever since I bought the EP I’ve been wanting to hear more from them. I’m glad I’ll finally get an album.

          • VVorld Peace

            I’ve got that EP too.

          • TrickleDownOvTacoKvltRiff

            I got it too! I enjoyed watching their progress as a group in the movie and I kept an eye out online for a little while too..Ill keep my ears open for the full length. Now that’s dedication and balls…to play metal in that environment!

  • BLVKKBEVRD’S FŒTID VBDVCTEES

    Cool little writeup imaginary girl from girl land. I haven’t ever contributed to a kickstarter or whathaveyou. Is the one for Levar Burton trying to bring back Reading Rainbow still up? I can get behind that.

  • God

    Big fan of crowdsourcing. When Soul Embraced announced their kickstarter a few years ago for their latest album Mythos, I contributed 20 bucks. And for that 20 I got a digital download of the album, a physical copy, a bonus track, a signed 10X10 Photo, and my name (alias of course) in the “special thanks to” for the physical album. Some bands treat their contributors very well.

    • Stockhausen

      Man, I haven’t kept up with Soul Embraced since Immune.

      • God

        Mythos was fantastic. And that means you missed their best album! Dead Alive is top notch Death metal material.

  • I’m down with that Wilderun song. Totally would rock on the way to renfest or playing Skyrim or something.

    • BLVKKBEVRD’S FŒTID VBDVCTEES

      Ann, I think I tried adding you to PSN last night in a drunken stupor.

      • a booty call?

        • VVorld Peace

          I’m pretty sure you’ve sent me messages on Steam, but I’ve had almost no time for games this semester.

      • Are you Aquaman?

        • BLVKKBEVRD’S FŒTID VBDVCTEES

          my ps3/4 tag is traitorsHEART

          • are you a cleveland Steamer too?

          • BLVKKBEVRD’S FŒTID VBDVCTEES

            currently, all my PCs are broken apart and this laptop wont run anything on my steam accnt (except maybe counterstrike). I’m an old school PC gamer (everquest, diablo II, wow, etc etc) but I dont have the time to MMO anymore (says the guy with nearly 1000hrs played on DkSII alone).

            tl:dr: not anymore, really.

          • you’ll see an add request from cyrollan, that’ll be me!

          • Edward #negrod4eva

            Oh shit. I don’t have much time to play but if I remember this from home later I’m gonna stalk add you on there.

    • God

      Im a fan. I would contribute 100 if i could. but alas, no money.

      • …after all those years that I’ve put my hard-earned cash in the collection plate and it’s all still in some priests’ bank accounts here on earth??

    • Edward #negrod4eva

      I can’t play games and music at the same time with any hope to play with skill, but I’m just one dude trying to make it through the day the best I can.

      • BLVKKBEVRD’S FŒTID VBDVCTEES

        #ErrdayStruggle

        • Edward #negrod4eva

          #thestruggleisreal

          #soreal

          #trill

          • BLVKKBEVRD’S FŒTID VBDVCTEES

            #BrothersInTrill

          • Edward #negrod4eva

            #bloodbrothers

            die in obscurity.

    • I tried, and not quite digging it. I love power metal, and folk metal to a degree, but this makes me think of midgets dancing in the Alps offering me hot cocoa. FLUSH!

  • tertius_decimus

    One guy from Finland is missing here…

    • Glolcamole Buttz

      Where is that loveable rascal?

      • Nordling or Tom Waits?

        • Edward #negrod4eva

          Spoiler: they are the same person.

          • Nordling Rites Ov Karhu

            Who let you in on the secret?

          • Edward #negrod4eva

            In solving a problem of this sort, the grand thing is to be able
            to reason backwards. That is a very useful accomplishment, and a very easy one, but people do not practise it much.
            In the every-day affairs of life it is more useful to reason forwards, and so the other comes to be neglected.
            There are fifty who can reason synthetically for one who can reason analytically…Let me see if I can make it clearer. Most people, if you describe a train of events to them, will
            tell you what the result would be. They can put those events together in their minds, and argue from them that
            something will come to pass. There are few people, however, who, if you told them a result, would be able to evolve
            from their own inner consciousness what the steps were which led up to that result. This power is what I mean when
            I talk of reasoning backwards, or analytically.

          • – Shia Lebouf from Transformers 2

          • Nordling Rites Ov Karhu

            Marvelously, thanks for asking!

          • Sounds like a plotline from Fringe.

          • Edward #negrod4eva

            Ha, it’s Sherlock Holmes. Deduction, my dear Kim Jong Un.

      • tertius_decimus

        He’s in the Golden halls of Procrastination… procrastinating. Perhaps.

    • Nordling Rites Ov Karhu

      Which one?

      • BLVKKBEVRD’S FŒTID VBDVCTEES

        YOUUUUUUUUUUU

        • Read that in Soulja Boy’s voice.

          • BLVKKBEVRD’S FŒTID VBDVCTEES

            Tell ’em

      • tertius_decimus

        The Great Procrastinator himself.

  • Glolcamole Buttz

    Spot on comment about Butcher Babies. The internet, while giving voice to a lot of useless garbage, has also given me access to a plethora of incredible music (thanks, TovH), and I really don’t need a marketing scheme telling me I ought to like a specific band when I don’t (see also: Babymetal, King 810, Ghost [preparing for maximum rustleage]).

    • VVorld Peace

      Joke’s on you. We’ve been telling you to like your number one pick for the year for a long time now!

    • Janitor Jim Dvggan’s Spooky To

      I like Ghost. I hate the other two bands you mentioned though so there’s no problem here.

      • Sarah Lafayette

        I’m actually a Ghost fan myself, but I have no issue with gimmick bands. Especially when I can play their music for “the normals” in my family.

      • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

        Of course you do.

    • Stockhausen

      I do not like Ghost. I do not like them Sam I Am.

    • I like King 810 in a gimmicky sorta way. Don’t worry, between their numbnut antics, lackluster sales, and recent convictions, they won’t be around long.

  • Hey, Sarah! This is a great way to promote good crowfounding campaigns 😀 the people here are very receptive when it comes of a honest and well-produced project, and I’m sure some of the toiletters can help.

    On other news, I slept over my right arm for hours and when I woke up my arm and my hand hurts for seconds for time to time… 🙁

  • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

    WHO WANTS TO CROWD FUND MY BUTT?????? ANY CUNTING TAKERS???!?!?!?!?

    • ño

      • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

        FUKK YOU!

    • VVorld Peace

      Do I get to be a shareholder in your butt?

      • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

        Damn right, you can be the CEO for all I cunting care!

    • seksy!

    • Edward #negrod4eva

      KSOFM I have a legitimate question. How did your band fund and produce your albums?

      • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

        With buckets of virgin blood.

        • Howard Dean

          I’m actually one of the biggest buyers of KSOFM purveyed virgin blood. I average purchasing about 4 buckets a month. I use it for rituals and shit.

          • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

            Rituals and shit might be the name of our next release. It’s such a pain to first find these virgins and then cunting kill them. Fucking tiring.

          • BLVKKBEVRD’S FŒTID VBDVCTEES

            I’m a firm believer that there’s no such thing as virgins.

          • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

            It’s all about the hymen bro.

          • BLVKKBEVRD’S FŒTID VBDVCTEES

            The wut now?

          • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

            Look it up bro. I think it’s categorized with unicorns.

          • BLVKKBEVRD’S FŒTID VBDVCTEES
    • TrickleDownOvTacoKvltRiff

      Need more info, what are you trying to accomplish with your ass?

      • BLVKKBEVRD’S FŒTID VBDVCTEES

        Spreading his cheeks for metal. #innuendo

      • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

        World fucking domination, brah!

        • TrickleDownOvTacoKvltRiff

          SOLD…please take my credit card info now!

    • KJM

      Monetize #DatAss

    • lolbuttz

      lolbuttz

      • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

        rorcuntz

  • HessianHunter

    HEY SARAH I LIEK THIS ATRICLE V MUCH BUT IT MAKES NERVOUS HOW U NO HAVE A PROF PICTURE…. LIEK MBBE U R A SPY FROM TEH REPTILE GVRMNT, NAH MEAN???

    OK KISSES, THNX FOR TOILETING W/ US SARAH AN I HOPE YOU HAVE A NICE KITTY TO CUDDLE W/ SOON

    • awwwww 🙂

    • BLVKKBEVRD’S FŒTID VBDVCTEES

      We almost got thru a whole comment sextion without getting creepy. And it wasn’t even me this time!

  • Janitor Jim Dvggan’s Spooky To

    I don’t really do the crowdfunding thing. If someone crowdfunded a revival of JNCOs though you can bet that I will crowdfund that.

  • Gvrp

    I contributed to Austrian Death Machine’s last album.
    Guess what ended up happening with that? wocka wocka

    • Sarah Lafayette

      Did they not fulfill their obligations? I saw that they had an IndieGogo. I believe you can report them if they don’t fulfill their obligations.

      • Edward #negrod4eva

        I think he’s talking about Tim Lambesis going to prison.

        • Sarah Lafayette

          D’oh.

          • Gvrp

            Yeah, that world tour hasn’t quite panned out…

    • FREE TIM LAMBESIS! he didn’t kill anyone!

      • KJM

        Bust Lambeezy out of da Big Heezy!

  • KJM

    I’m totally cool with doing this for albums and touring, but sometimes it can be abused. I’m not chipping in for brand new expensive equipment when you can get by with older stuff.

    • BLVKKBEVRD’S FŒTID VBDVCTEES

      We all know you’ve spent all your money on new smoking implements anyway, KJ.

      • KJM

        That, new t-shirts, PC parts, CDs

        • BLVKKBEVRD’S FŒTID VBDVCTEES

          *papers, bongs, vaporizers

          • KJM

            In the Spring it’ll be strings, new amp, tuners, pickups

          • BLVKKBEVRD’S FŒTID VBDVCTEES

            #StayOldAmps #StaySeymourDuncanPickups

          • Lacertilian

            EMGs over here through a shitty but beastly dirty solid state.

          • Renan Ribeiro

            Are vaporizers really healthier?

          • BLVKKBEVRD’S FŒTID VBDVCTEES

            Well, I imagine they might be. I honestly do not own one/would not own one. Prefer the old school methods, myself.

          • KJM

            I have one that I never use.

          • BLVKKBEVRD’S FŒTID VBDVCTEES

            Thats why I dont have one. Would just collect dust. Give me a pack of JOB 1.5s any day.

          • KJM

            I’d use a Volcano if I had one but those fuckers cost $500. Fuck that shit. I didn’t even pay for the one I don’t use.

          • BLVKKBEVRD’S FŒTID VBDVCTEES

            I can think of so many other ways to use $500. Vaporizers just take away something essential from smoking. Same thing with that wax nonsense (yea, lets add a rigorous process to something that didn’t need to be messed with in the first place.)

          • KJM

            Stupid kids actually pay up to $60 a gm for that shit.

          • BLVKKBEVRD’S FŒTID VBDVCTEES

            Kids these days.

          • Beats that stupid ass fucking Spice they’re paying for nowadays. Kids I guess would rather have a nice seizure, heart palpitations, possible stroke (which has happened in a number of incidents), etc. than a regular old high.

          • Lacertilian

            It takes a little while to get used to the different feeling.
            After smoking for over a decade it becomes natural to associate the side-effects of smoke inhalation with the stone.

          • Lacertilian

            I bought an artist series SSV, best choice I have ever made.
            I now use around 1/4 as much as I used to, get way more baked, no need for tobacco to spin, make nice butter with the remains and oil when I clean it.

          • empty beer can?

          • BLVKKBEVRD’S FŒTID VBDVCTEES

            I’m broke, not homeless.

          • Apple bongs and toilet paper rolls?

          • mmmmmmmmmmm, aubrey

          • KJM

            It can be if done right.

          • Lacertilian
        • And Spanx.

  • Further Down the Metal Hole

    The last one I contributed to was Project Rogue – Titans (that’s the one where they gathered like 20 rather known musicians to record one album) and I generally like the idea, so I will give these a listen.

    Also, this series is a good idea.