True Detective – Controversies, Speculations, Remaining Trve

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Fans of the Toilet Ov Hell, heavy metal, extreme music, supporting artists directly on Bandcamp, the Illuminati, The Left Hand Path, anarchy, and our eventual annihilation as a species, listen up. That means you. Yes, you. Joe and Masterlord Steeldragon, our mysterious and benevolent rulers, have allowed me to cover a topic which has been in my thoughts almost as much as extreme music in 2014. The topic? HBO’s True Detective.

The first season of True Detective premiered on January 12th, 2014. It took many people by surprise, including myself. While some wrote it off as a paint by numbers police procedural with the cops after a serial killer yarn, others rushed to their computers and mobile devices to proclaim it was the best show on television. It seems to have resonated especially with fans of heavy metal and extreme music. Why? True Detective maintained a bleak worldview throughout it’s eight episode run. It touched on themes of nihilism and the pointlessness of existence, Satanism, betrayal, mortality, and perceived realities; it offered a science fiction like premise that time repeats itself over and over again. It’s first season was heady entertainment for TV drama, with a focus on dialogue. It also included several lengthy philosophical monologues. Season highlights ranged from gripping action sequences to tense interrogation scenes placed squarely inside of locked rooms. It existed in several points of history. The show’s protagonists, its “heroes”, acted in a morally grey space often touching the black themselves. True Detective was shot on location in Louisiana which gave it a Southern Gothic feel, like some Cormac McCarthy novel brought to life. The show would be nominated for twelve Emmys and would win five. It is this writer’s humble opinion Matthew McConaughey should have taken the award for Outstanding Lead Actor In A Drama Series for his depiction of Detective Rustin Cohle. The show has not been without controversy, either. Many critics of the show have cried sexism for True Detective’s depiction of women, including a writer for The New Yorker, Emily Nussbaum (pretty solid read, careful, SPOILERS).


 

I don't sleep, I just stay up all night reading articles on the Toilet Ov Hell.

I don’t sleep, I just stay up all night reading articles on the Toilet Ov Hell.

 

More controversy appeared when True Detective’s creator Nic Pizzolatto was accused of plagiarism. The show draws from a variety of influences, enough that it can be difficult to sort through the sprawl. The primary sources of inspiration for True Detective, and those most discussed to date, have been Thomas Ligotti’s The Conspiracy Against The Human Race and Robert Chambers’ The King In Yellow. I have also read numerous comparisons to the television program Twin Peaks, and discovered an Easter egg from comic legend Alan Moore, creator of Watchmen and V For Vendetta. In the season finale I saw glimpses of films like Se7en and Red Dragon, but have not seen those comparisons made in any writing of the show. Within a few episodes of True Detective, much had been made of the show’s mythology based on literary references and the cryptic dialogue of Rust Cohle, one of the lead characters in the series. Within weeks of the season premier, many fans and critics connected True Detective to an old collection of short stories called The King In Yellow. Rust and Marty’s hunt for a mysterious suspect known as The Yellow King was based on this collection of short stories by Robert Chambers which was released in 1895. More importantly, these stories are connected by a play within several of the stories also called The King In Yellow, (careful here too, SPOILERS) which was “a fictional play within a collection of short stories — a metafictional dramatic work that brings despair, depravity, and insanity to anyone who reads it or sees it performed”. This play within a collection of stories also reminds me of Tales of the Black Freighter, the comic within the graphic novel Watchmen. The King In Yellow was also Pizzolatto’s source for the place Carcosa, which is very significant throughout True Detective. I learned however that Robert Chambers pulled Carcosa from another writer of his time; it is believed he did so solely because he liked the name.

Thomas Ligotti has been called the “heir apparent” to H.P. Lovecraft, who is a favorite at the Toilet Ov Hell among many other places. (You can check out an excellent series on heavy metal and Lovecraft at the Toilet Ov Hell here, here, and here). Thomas Ligotti is a horror and “weird fiction” writer in the vein of Lovecraft, but True Detective’s Ligotti source was actually a work of non-fiction called The Conspiracy Against The Human Race, which was released in 2010. True Detective’s Rust Cohle borrows ideas and dialogue which are very similar to lines from Ligotti’s work. In fact, from research done for this story, I would offer that many of True Detective’s overarching themes come from The Conspiracy Against The Human Race. You can see dialogue matched up from the television program to lines taken from the book, but again, be careful, SPOILERS. So Rust’s philosophy is actually Ligotti’s philosophy, and not from a work of fiction but from Ligotti’s real life experience? Was this plagiarism? In my layman’s opinion, no. Nic Pizzolatto successfully paid homage to a litany of influences while building his own vision. I agree with something I read in my research that said that because the medium is different, moving from literature to television, it makes it a different animal. It’s also possible in creating Rust that Pizzolatto intended for him to have these philosophies, even though he did not admit to it until after accusations of plagiarism had surfaced. It’s observable to me that Pizzolatto is a serious fan of literature, comics, and other television programs simply by viewing his work on True Detective. It may be impossible to get a definitive answer on this subject, as opinions on the subject vary wildly on both sides.

I must mention another series homage from a comic created by Alan Moore comic Top Ten #8, which was released in 2000. I am assuming you have not seen True Detective’s first season. If you have not, it should be safe to show you this frame of the comic out of context. If you have, this will mean a great deal.


 

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You could say that the time between True Detective’s first season finale and now has been a tense period in the long, bright dark. First, and most important, HBO made an official announcement about leads for True Detective’s second season. The internet exploded with the fury of an Ethan Lee McCarthy project Tuesday morning when it was announced that Colin Farrell and Vince Vaughn would play leads. Rumors had been circling online about these two for a little while. Colin Farrell will play Ray Velcoro, “a compromised detective whose allegiances are torn between his masters in a corrupt police department and the mobster who owns him”. Vince Vaughn will play Frank Seymon, “a career criminal in danger of losing his empire when his move into legitimate enterprise is upended by the murder of a business partner”. Justin Lin, of Fast & The Furious and Community, is slated to direct the first two episodes. More details about the plot have emerged as well, including corrupt police, the mob, and a project to build a high speed train throughout California. There are two more leads, yet to be announced. Taylor Kitsch has long been rumored to be the third male lead in the series. Within the last few weeks rumors about auditions and casting for the second season’s female lead have kept several websites on the internet afloat. Mad Men’s Elisabeth Moss was talked about when the male leads were mentioned before official announcements, but allegedly she left any attachment to the project in favor of a high profile job on Broadway. Other big or big-ish names in circulation have included Jessica Biel, Rachel McAdams, Rosario Dawson, Game Of Thrones’ Oona Chaplin, and Malin Akerman.


"Barf" - Toilet Ov Hell founder Joe Smashnspill.

“Barf” – Toilet Ov Hell founder Joe Smashnspill.


I am very skeptical from the information I have garnered about True Detective’s second season. How can the show’s creators top the first season? Part of its magic was having the same writer, show creator Nic Pizzolatto, and director, Cary Fukunaga, at the helm of each of its eight episodes. True Detective was always set up to be an anthology series, a la American Horror Story, meaning a new location, new cast, and new story for season two. I like Colin Farrell just fine. I don’t hate Vince Vaughn. I don’t love the idea of either one of them in the second season of True Detective. A quick internet search reminded me I have only seen Taylor Kitsch in one film, X-Men Origins: Wolverine. I won’t get started on that film. You shouldn’t, either. Kitsch’s role was not memorable but I assume he has done other stuff I would enjoy. I’m also skeptical of a plot that consists of corrupt cops, mobsters, and high speed trains. The first season succeeded with what seemed to be a fairly standard plot, at first, but changed into something else entirely before the season ended. I’m suspicious of Justin Lin. While I enjoyed the first and possibly the fifth Fast & The Furious films, and I like a good chunk of Community, is this really the guy they got to direct the first two episodes of the new season? What was Martin Scorsese doing? I was excited to hear about Elisabeth Moss’ possible involvement with True Detective. She has been excellent in Mad Men. When she was mentioned in connection with Farrell, Vaughn, and Kitsch, I felt she was the strongest choice of that group and could bring a suitable amount of darkness to her role. Of the rest of the women rumored to be a possible lead, Rosario Dawson is the best choice, hands down. Malin Akerman was pretty good in the film Watchmen, but did you see Catch .44? I did, for about five minutes, on late night cable. Let’s hope casting agents get a hold of this article. Apparently the second season of True Detective won’t be so dark. The first season thrived on its dark atmosphere! Lastly, I wonder if show creator Nic Pizzolatto can find such great sources of inspiration as he did for the first season. I’m on his side on the plagiarism debacle, but I’ll know something is up if Vince Vaughn starts uttering lines from Thomas Ligotti works.

True Detective’s first season experienced a great deal of success from it’s ability to get people talking. I have not seen four seconds of footage of True Detective’s second season. I have high hopes, but will remain wary until proven wrong. As Masterlord Steeldragon pointed out in a recent conversation, he did not expect Woody Harrelson to put in the tour de force performance he did in season one. Farrell and Vaughn might blow us out of the water. Corrupt cops, mobsters, and a high speed train might be just what the show needs to be proclaimed truly “the best show on television”.

Are you a fan of True Detective? Will the second season be able to reach the heights of the first? Was True Detective sexist, or are you sexist? Do you remember Malin Akerman’s small role in HBO’s Entourage? How many True Detective and Rust Cohle references did I write into this article? Is the Toilet Ov Hell a blog about metal?


 

I just want you to stop talking about True Detective, Edward. Just stop.

I just want you to stop talking about True Detective, Edward. Just stop.


Now, look, guys, you’re gonna want to swing some dick on this thing, but let’s try to keep the comment section spoiler free for the first season of TD.

Thanks to Time Magazine for the scoop on season two.

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  • Doctor Dickless

    I don’t have time to read this! I have tests to correct!

    • Edward Meehan

      Read it whenever you get a chance MA, or not, no big deal.

      • Doctor Dickless

        I will read it eventually. I managed to read a little bit and it sounds interesting.

    • cool story brah

  • crazytaco_12

    Damn son, don’t get between Edward and his True Detective!

    • Edward Meehan

      I’d rank the first season of True Detective against the best season from any of the best series they have put out on TV yet. I’d rank it against anyone’s favorite season of Breaking Bad, be that s4, s5B, or whichever they’d choose. I’d rank it versus s4 of The Wire, serious.

      I’m so skeptical of season two of TD. What if it just sucks? Lol.

      • Making me wish I had HBO now.

        • Edward Meehan

          I don’t even have cable, I just have my mother’s HBO GO account lol.

          • i just go to some website that has downloadable episodes, then purchase the good ones on blu-ray/dvd

          • CONAN THE MOTHERFUCKING KING

            AMC shows you can do quality without swearing and nudity. Hell on Wheels is just as a good if not better than HBO’s deadwood ( which had non stop swearing and nudity). Don’t get me wrong it was a classic western , one of the best of all time, its just more of a challenge to engage the viewer without falling back on swearing and nudity all the time. True blood, i enjoyed the nudity, because vampire lore has always been about the nudity. The ratio of beautiful women on that show was like 99.9 percent smoking. I have never watched a show with more attractive females per square inch of tv screen.

      • Doctor Dickless

        Maybe this show will make me start watching tv shows again.

        • Edward Meehan

          It would be eight hours of your life you won’t ever get back, in this case, totally worth it. TOTALLY.

          • Doctor Dickless

            I need to think about it. Maybe when it’s the christmas holiday.

        • KJM

          There are only a handful worth watching.

          • CONAN THE MOTHERFUCKING KING

            Am i the only person in the world who doesn’t watch GOT, i love that shit being a CONAN fan, but i watched 4 episodes of the first season and didn’t get into it. Didn’t like spartacus either even with the prolific nudity. The blood effects turned me off immediately. I am more of a ROME man. I found that to be as hardcore as GOT but coupled with the reality of history mixed in. On a side note there was talk a few years ago of HBO doing a conan series overseen by original 82 conan director john milius. That would have been a dream come true for me.
            ahhhahah, as i write this i am watching the hunger force episode where all the computer popups go though the house, never get tired of that shit. Its on every night along with brak, venture bros, assy mcgee, sealab 2021 and tim and eric.

          • KJM

            I’d try GOT again. I love it.

            Finally, Squidbillies is back with new episodes!

        • did you watch The Wire? Breaking Bad? LOST?

          • Doctor Dickless

            Haven’t seen any of those, mate. I sometimes watch documentaries, but that’s pretty much it.

      • crazytaco_12

        I’ll have to check it out man; doubt it could completely suck if they kept most of the same writers and whatnot. I have to say though, HBO does whatever they can to get naked chicks and cursing on the air. It’s like there is some 12 year old kid who oversees the production of every series they have.

        • Edward Meehan

          Did you ever see the SNL skit about Game of Thrones? It was pretty hilarious, one of GRRMs assistants was a 17 year old boy.

          • crazytaco_12

            That sounds familiar, but I don’t think so; sounds about right haha

          • CONAN THE MOTHERFUCKING KING

            snl has sucked for eons too it seems. I stll remember watching the first season with belushi, akyroyd and chase in 75 with my dad when i was 6. Belushi was one of a kind though.

          • Janitor Jim Dvggan

            I have no clue why SNL even bothers anymore. It’s not like they’ll find a talent like Adam Sandler, Chris Farley or Mike Myers again. The show has gotten so bad that I don’t even watch it anymore. I liked the Christmas specials but they got worse by the year to the point where they were abysmal.

      • Dëpütÿ Dïpshït

        Can’t wait for season two. Personally, I don’t think they are going to let it turn in to a massive, unflushable shit submarine. Also, I’m going to reserve my judgments on the cast until we see a few episodes.

        • Edward Meehan

          That’s a smart plan. It could be really good…

          • Dëpütÿ Dïpshït

            I tend to be extremely optimistic with things I really don’t want to jump the shark.

          • Edward Meehan

            Ever watch Nip/Tuck? First season was stellar. Second season was pretty good, too. I kept watching it much longer than I should have after that. House M.D. was another one.

          • Dëpütÿ Dïpshït

            Yup! Same here, definitely should have stopped watching after around season three. House, I think I watched four seasons.

          • W.

            Every episode of House eventually followed the same pattern.

            >House almost kills patient.
            >House is stumped.
            >Wilson says something totally unrelated.
            >House stares off with a cryptic look in his eyes.
            >House saves the day.

            That said, I watched a ton of that show.

          • Edward Meehan

            I should have stopped watching House after s4. I watched all eight.

          • Doctor Dickless

            Isn’t that the one with Hugh Laurie in it? He has done some funny shows with Stephen Fry.

          • Edward Meehan

            Correct, House is Hugh Laurie.

          • Doctor Dickless

            I like his comedy stuff. British comedies are the best.

      • KJM

        I just don’t see how a second season will be that good if it’s being altered so drastically. The central mystery has to be compelling or I just won’t care.

        I don’t like Vince Vaughn, but I also didn’t care for McConaughey before seeing Season 1.

        • Edward Meehan

          That’s a fair assessment. I’m a True Detective fanboy so despite my realistic skepticism, I want season two to be good as a fan of the series so far. Like when someone wants their favorite band to have a stellar comeback album, or something lol.

          • KJM

            We’ll have a long time to wait seeing as it’s not airing until about August 2015.

            I watch very little TV so I always hope the few shows I like either continue to be good or get even better.

          • Edward Meehan

            I have been watching Boardwalk Empire with my girlfriend (I’ve seen it, she has not) to get ready to see the last season which is airing on TV now. It occurred me yesterday that was the only TV I was watching so I started Twin Peaks. I don’t watch much but I dig a well made TV drama.

          • how’s BE? there’s no way i can start a new show right now, but i bet that’s one i should not be missing!

          • Edward Meehan

            It’s really good, worth watching. During this rewatch I have enjoyed all of it which is impressive.

          • FeelTheDarkness

            Boardwalk is awesome!!! Sucks it’s the last season.

          • Tyree

            Going to start that hopefully this weekend sometime.

          • CONAN THE MOTHERFUCKING KING

            Better to go out on top than do what dexter did. The second last season was poor but watchable. The last season, i couldn’t watch it all, only 3 episodes. My cousin told me what happened and it sucked. The last season of true blood was better than i thought though. Of course for me , i would watch that show for the women, almost all of them were naked at one time or another and all super beautiful. The gore was plentiful too. It was definitely time to end it though.
            Talking of lesser tv, did you watch prison break, it had like 3 good seasons and they just stretched it out to 5 or 6 and i watched it all and it ended badly and just plain sucked.

          • FeelTheDarkness

            I saw one episode of Prison Break and was not drawn into it. I like how shows are only going 4 or 5 seasons now. Hit quick and get out before you start to suck

          • CONAN THE MOTHERFUCKING KING

            great show, just gets better, so many flawed characters. This new season definitely has some new angles. I love margaret, she is so beautiful, i can’t believe how nucky fucked up such a great relationship (it was all his fault though). She cheated but it was because he was constantly cheating and ignoring her. Muller is fucking awesome, the greatest stone face of all time, plus everything he says and does has a certain dry humour it about somehow. Maybe its just me. His whole life just did a total flip flop, a fascinating character study on its own. Remember the villian from a couple of years ago ? the one who flew off the handle at the drop of a hat. Man, what a performance, he won a well deserved emmy for that or maybe a golden globe.

          • Edward Meehan

            Gyp Rossetti! I know we are supposed to hate him but I really dug him lol

          • CONAN THE MOTHERFUCKING KING

            This will be a whole new band though. With a new collection of songs. So it’s going to be an uphill battle all the way. I don’t want it to be one of those situations where i trick or force myself into liking something which so many lifelong star wars fans did with the pre quels.

        • CONAN THE MOTHERFUCKING KING

          Farrel is horrible, vaughn acutally did ok in a couple of dramas, he did something where he was a serial killer (title escapes me) and he did the best he could with the psycho remake ( let’s face it the most impossibly difficult role to be ever attempted). I have severe doubts if i will even watch it at all. I may avoid it like i did with crystal skull and conan 3d.

      • The Black Dahlia Burger

        First season of True Detective was amazing and extremely well-made, but I still don’t think it was as good as 5B of Breaking Bad. I felt like the ending of TD was kind of just okay, but Breaking Bad literally got better with every single episode of 5B, up until the climax of Ozymandias. Not to say that the last 2 episodes were bad, but Ozymandias is seriously the best piece of television I’ve ever seen, and I’d put it up against any movie ever as well.

        • CONAN THE MOTHERFUCKING KING

          Of course the shows basically have nothing in common. In honor of your avatar,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drYpXvQOWms

        • Edward Meehan

          I have to agree with you there, I have actually gone on record saying Ozymandias is the best episode of television ever created. I watched it when it aired and literally leaped off the couch on more than one occasion!

        • Janitor Jim Dvggan

          I have to watch that episode again. The first time I watched it I wept as it was so fucking beautiful.

    • Tyree
  • Tyree

    I’m going to substitute the word “Hate” with “Ethan Lee McCarthy”. For example: I fucking Ethan Lee McCarthy the shit out of U2.

    Awesome write up! The first season of Trve Detective was a dark and blissful time. Second season is looking to be pretty lame with these two clowns being the leads.

    • Edward Meehan

      I was hoping you would catch that little reference.

      • Tyree

        Hahaha, I got all giggity when I saw it.

        I’ll read some of your links you posted later on BRAH!

      • W.

        I knew Tyree would love it.

        • Edward Meehan

          I had something else in there and it just popped into my mind when I was doing the last draft of this damn awful thing, lol.

    • KJM

      Probably won’t even have a good theme song.

      • Tyree

        It will probably be done by cvnting U2.

  • Edward Meehan

    I’m curious as to whether anyone has read anything about this ongoing plagiarism controversy. There is A LOT more than what I managed to get in this article now. If you’re hip to that game, what do you think about it?

    • Hope this doesn’t offend you but yeah, the whole show seems pretty derivative. It’s trying to be Twin Peaks with Alan Moore and Thomas Ligotti (among others) quotes thrown in at random. I mean, I like those things, but to me the show comes off as The Village with more edgy nihilism.

      • Edward Meehan

        I am not offended in the slightest!

        I actually watched the Twin Peaks pilot last night, partially because of the constant True Detective references, it was pretty weird. Also, it came out in 1990 but still has a very 80s look, lol. Fire. Walk with me.

        I guess Nic Pizzolatto has made a complete ass of himself in his defense against the plagiarism accusations, which doesn’t help his case much. Personally even after I discovered the accusations I never got a sense of outrage that he had stolen the ideas for his show.

        • crazytaco_12

          Dude, have you seen the series? Do yourself a favor if you haven’t. Pilot’s probably my least liked episode

          • Edward Meehan

            I loved the pilot, I was totally sold on the show when I watched it. The first time through I didn’t love e7 and e8, until the next time I watched it lol.

          • KJM

            I’ve lost count of how many times I’ve seen the entire run of Twin Peaks. I noticed the TP influences right off the bat when I started watching TD, and then I watched another 5 episodes.

            I would love to just sit and listen to Dale Cooper & Rustin Cohle talk about damned near anything.

          • Edward Meehan

            Douglas firs!

          • CONAN THE MOTHERFUCKING KING

            I need to get TP on blu ray, not a cheap proposition. I would also like the twilight zone box set but that is also a small fortune. I have the night gallery on dvd which i love but that was a short 3 seasons.

          • KJM

            I wish Netflix Instant had Night Gallery. They do have Kolchak: The Night Stalker which is just as good.

          • Edward Meehan

            Wait, you were talking about Twin peaks here right? I responded and I thought you were talking about True Detective. I have not seen Twin Peaks yet.

          • crazytaco_12

            Ah dude, you gotta watch Twin Peaks! Classic show man

          • Edward Meehan

            I watched the second episode tonight!

          • crazytaco_12

            Atta boy!

        • I watched the show before I was aware of the allegations, so it didn’t ruin it for me. But now having done some reading, I can affirm that Nic Pizzolatto is assing it up.

          • Edward Meehan

            “Nothing in the television show ‘True Detective’ was plagiarized,” he
            said. “The philosophical thoughts expressed by Rust Cohle do not
            represent any thought or idea unique to any one author; rather these are
            the philosophical tenets of a pessimistic, anti-natalist philosophy
            with an historic tradition including Arthur Schopenauer, Friedrich
            Nietzche, E.M. Cioran, and various other philosophers, all of whom
            express these ideas. As an autodidact pessimist, Cohle speaks toward
            that philosophy with erudition and in his own words. The ideas within
            this philosophy are certainly not exclusive to any writer.”

            – Nic Pizzolatto

            lol.

        • Twin Peaks>>>>>>>>>>>>>

          (apologies)
          Even if he had acknowledged the source of his own accord (as opposed to beating around the bush and answering truthfully only when asked directly), TD is still (in my eyes) just Twin Peaks but less surreal and with random quotes inserted almost word-for-word where they make no sense. The plagiarism is one thing, but to just insert them without any flow makes it stick out like a sore thumb to boot.

          • I don’t understand why he couldn’t have just worked Ligotti into Rust’s character. Show his book lying around in a few frames in his house or something. Dork.

          • Edward Meehan

            I’m going to have to get back to when I get further into Twin Peaks, I’m sold on at least checking out a few more episodes (even though it’s so old it’s a square on my wide screen TV).

            When I watched TD, I didn’t get the impression the quotes were so randomly placed but remember, at the time, I didn’t realize they were quotes.

          • If you read The Conspiracy Against the Human Race (and you should even out of this context) you’ll see they’re largely lifted whole cloth. Where Ligotti is fairly academic in nature throughout, Pizzolatto randomly juxtaposes the loquacious with the low-brow and it ends up sounding like no one would ever speak, haha.

          • Edward Meehan

            I watched the second Twin Peaks tonight. There are definitely True Detective similarities.

          • Just wait for it…by the way, once you finish that, there’s a prequel film called “Fire Walk With Me” you should check out for the full story (not that it will make much more sense).

      • Edward Meehan

        Also, I don’t know what The Village is.

        • It’s a really bad M. Night Shamalamanyan movie.

          • Dëpütÿ Dïpshït

            For me, it wasn’t bad until the end.

          • Exactly my point. The beginning built up a pretty good, mysterious atmosphere and then it was just down, down, DOWNhill. I can’t even watch the beginning now because of how bad it gets at the end.

          • Edward Meehan

            Ah, with Joaquin Phoenix! Didn’t see it.

            Unbreakable >>>>>>>>

          • KJM

            That would be ALL of his movies, nothing but an overrated hack.

          • *flushes this hot topic poser hack and his $cab $layer band down the filthiest, rotten, piranha-infested toilet ov hell, through the sewer ov obskurity and straight to hot topic hell*

            TWIN PEAKS IS THE END!

            HAIL DAVID LYNCH, THE MISSOULA PROPHET!

            Period!

          • KJM

            MY DOG BARKS…SOME!!

          • CONAN THE MOTHERFUCKING KING

            my neigbors dog talks some – SON OF SAM

          • CONAN THE MOTHERFUCKING KING

            Night is alreading more famous for the appropriation of his movie the happening for the fappening than anything he has made. Talk about a one hit wonder. Rare in the movie business. Usually directors crank out a few good movies in their careers. I wouldn’t write him off yet though, he may make a comeback if he stops this twist business and just makes a good straightforward film.

  • Mr.CustodialArts

    What’s scented meat?

    • Edward Meehan

      I just want you to stop saying odd shit, like you smell a psycho’s fear.

      • Mr.CustodialArts

        I got an idea, let’s make the car a place of silent reflection from now on.

        • Edward Meehan

          Of course, man, I’m not some kind of maniac.

      • KJM

        You are like, the Michael Jordan of being a sonofabitch.

        • Edward Meehan

          With all the dick swagger you roll, you can’t spot crazy pussy?

          • KJM

            The interplay between those two is most of the reason the show works so well.

  • This was a good read. I am also very skeptical of the next season, but mainly because fuck Vince Vaughn.

    • Edward Meehan

      Frank Seymon, a corrupt businessman who is trying to go legit but his plans are derailed by a murder conspiracy?!

    • He is a comedy actor, he doen’t make good serious face!

      • MoshOff

        McConahoweveritsspelled was a rom com actor until just recently… you never know.

        But VV sucks.

        • I still hate McConaface.

          • The guy is on fire right now. What’s wrong with you?

          • I’ve only ever seen him on rom coms. what should i watch? Also, WHAT THE FUCK IS INTERSTELLAR ABOUT???????/

          • Edward Meehan

            True Detective, Dallas Buyers Club, Killer Joe, Lincoln Lawyer, you already mentioned Interstellar which I wanna see…

          • Definitely watch Mud, too.

          • Tyree

            Killer Joe cracks me up! It’s been playing a lot on HBO or Showtime lately.

          • Edward Meehan

            The climactic end scene was kinda stomach churning.

          • Tyree

            You ain’t kidding. A lot of shit went down in that last scene. It was genius in its ridiculousness.

          • “Hands on a Hard Body director S.R. Bindler directs this wave-twisting tale of a soul-searching surfer (Matthew McConaughey) in the midst of an existential crisis. Steve Addington (McConaughey) is an herb-toking long-boarder with a keen sense of balance and a mellow outlook on life. Upon returning to his hometown of Malibu to spend the summer with old friends, Steve begins to sense that the good vibes he remembers as a boy have been hopelessly corrupted by the powers that be. When the earthen surfer is faced with the prospect of expanding into virtual-reality video games and reality television or risk being rendered irrelevant, he opts to keep riding the majestic Southern California waves rather than participate in this new digital reality. Fate seems to intercede, however, when the ocean simply ceases to produce any suitable waves. His finances dried up, his sponsored expense accounts suddenly canceled, and his friends flocking off to bluer pastures, the surfer without a wave suddenly realizes that he has but two choices in life: he can either sit tight and try to keep his sanity until the waves come rolling in again, or finally give in to the Man and his intoxicating world of artificial amusements. Perhaps with a little wisdom from his trusted manager (Woody Harrelson), his aging mentor (Scott Glenn), his guardian angel (Willie Nelson), and his newfound muse (Alexie Gilmore), Addington can somehow manage to maintain his mellow just long enough to put it all into perspective and get back to the basics.”

          • Stockhausen

            He’s so hot right now.

          • Tyree

            Just watched Dallas Buyers club last night actually. Fantastic!

          • 1) watch Trve Detective
            2) watch Bernie
            3) watch Killer Joe
            4) watch Mud

            he’s really come around!

          • Tyree

            I have yet to see Mud. Heard it’s great though. Bernie is hilarious by the way.

          • hey i’m just glad you’ve seen Killer Joe. NOBODY around me has heard of it, and NOBODY listens when i recommend it.

          • Tyree

            That movie goes over a lot of peoples heads I feel. It’s supposed to be a comedy but I think people take it the wrong way.

          • omigosh yes. there’s no way we could take those characters seriously… but i imagine people like my parents would be like, “they can’t be that stupid!” the movie reminded me of the Coen Brothers!

          • Tyree

            I can see that. The Coen Brothers are brilliant at making over the top characters work.
            http://media.giphy.com/media/SdPidPBOVOQzS/giphy.gif

          • CONAN THE MOTHERFUCKING KING

            he is very sinister in that, the little girl ( goddamn it mcnulty, i wanted to take her away and raise her as my daughter to take her away from that hell, no funny business). He was just a fucking cold blooded monster.

          • CONAN THE MOTHERFUCKING KING

            Frailty – one of the best psycological horrors evers. Also stars bill paxton who directs. Masterful , for anyone who was in a religious cult like my self it resonates so deeply you will be literally sickened by its realism. The earnestness of the father thinking he is doing right by his boys. No molestaion or anything, but i don’t want to reveal more. Soul shatteringly good.

          • JWG

            Also the Lincoln Lawyer, even though the film itself isn’t that great.

        • Pagliacci is Kvlt
    • KJM

      COMPLETELY because Fuck Vince Vaughn. He just creeps me out in the worst way.

      • DoYouThinkHeSaurus

        Women. Eighty percent female Greenpeace.

    • DoYouThinkHeSaurus

      The animal exists on the planet for the first time in tens of millions of years and the only way you can express yourself is to kill it.

    • old_man_doom

      I’m skeptical about if there will be some kind of “occult” theme at play in season 2. The lovecraftian/bloch-ian twist in the first season is really what interested me beyond the surface themes. I really hope they explore some other obscure esoterica. Also: Vince Vaughn? Really? That has got me cringing

    • Lord Ov Kapsko

      Fucking Vince Vaughn. It cannot be unseen: “Yeah, I’ve shoulda slove this thing a month ago, but my mom has diabetes and I need to take care of her, also I’ve run out ov conficscated weed and you know how hard is to buy some when you’re from our proffesion. Wanna go for fome junkl food and do donuts on a parking lot?”
      Fuck him.

  • W.

    Ed, great post. You’ve got me sufficiently interested.

    • Edward Meehan

      We may have talked on this, but did you watch TD?

      • W.

        Nope.

        • Edward Meehan

          My hope was that this would be a good article for people who have and people who have not seen the first season. I have a crazy memory for TV spoilers, so I tried making it at safe as possible while including as much pertinent info as I could.

          • Stockhausen

            Well done, it’s delicate to write that much without spoiling. I will watch it now.

          • Edward Meehan

            You won’t regret it.

            (don’t listen to Christian “Christ” Molenaar on this one!)

          • Listen to me! I’m always right! This is like when @disqus_4E0xQtrX2p:disqus first found out about Baring Teeth, except in this case Pyrrhon is True Detective and Baring Teeth are Twin Peaks.

          • Edward Meehan

            Ha! We’ll see if the new Baring Teeth album stands up to The Mother Of Virtues. I’m pretty pumped to hear it either way though.

          • holy crow, a quick google search shows that Baring Teeth are playing with Artificial Brain, Gigan, AND Pyrrhon in Austin TX this Saturday night. @joethrashnkill:disqus, if you’re going to this i’ll be SUPER jelly!!!

          • I’ve been planning on it!

          • can you record the whole thing on your cellphone for me??

          • Edward Meehan

            Minneapolis doesn’t have Baring Teeth or Gigan.

          • st. louis doesn’t have a spot on the tour.
            still, seeing AB and Pyrrhon would be the fuckin’ rocket!

          • Edward Meehan

            I’m pretty pumped I think they will annihilate my brain.

          • Stockhausen

            I’m not listening to any of you, because I bet you don’t know what band Baring Teeth was ripping off.
            (Hint: it was Otep)

          • Otep? You mean Akerstache?

          • Stockhausen

            Yes, Otep from Sweden. Their lead singer is a girl, Michelle Ackerfield.

          • W.

            He did well! Also, I’m actually really intrigued by the books you mentioned.

          • Edward Meehan

            … he did well?

            I figured you would get some interest for Ligotti. I’m interested in reading some of his stuff! I haven’t been doing much reading but should start again.

            Reading >>>>

          • W.

            Oops, you. Sorry, I’m a bit distracted today.

          • Edward Meehan

            No problem, I know the feeling.

        • KJM

          You’ll know very early on if it’s something you’ll enjoy. I was almost immediately hooked and I’m a tough sell.

  • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

    Fuck tv.

    • Steve Smithwick

      *Except for sports coverage.

      • fuck espn though. The fox news of sports.

        • Edward Meehan

          I don’t really follow sports but I can appreciate that lol

        • Ironically, Fox Sports is pretty great.

          • lol yea, how about them apples?

          • JWG

            Fear the apple that bites back…

          • Tyree

            Is that the one with the dancing robots?

          • That’s just Fox. They have Fox Sports Network (as well as regional ones like Fox Sports Southwest).

            Stupid fucking robot. His name is Cletus.

          • Dancing Lobsters > Dancing Robots.

          • KJM

            They seem to keep their “News” & Entertainment Departments very well separated.

          • TrickleDownTacoRiff

            I like the NFL team.

        • TrickleDownTacoRiff

          soooo trve!

      • Sports are the definition of lifeloving.

        • Stockhausen

          Hear ye, hear ye.

        • Steve Smithwick

          Sports are the definition of metal. Cutthroat physical abuse is encouraged!

      • totally.
        “coming up later, we discuss why one sports team couldn’t win enough points to defeat the opposing sports team”
        *10,000,000 viewers tune in…

        • Steve Smithwick

          I am 1 of 10,000,000.

    • Mr.CustodialArts

      It’s not TV…IT’S HBO.

    • TrickleDownTacoRiff

      is that a new subscription channel?

      • if so, Conan will know about it!

        • TrickleDownTacoRiff

          damn right!

    • Xan

      I agree (though I did partake in a bit of lifeloving for Breaking Bad and Game of Thrones).

    • King, i think you might have the best ratio of upvotes to comments!

      • CONAN THE MOTHERFUCKING KING
        • hahaha, that is a GREAT commercial!

          • CONAN THE MOTHERFUCKING KING

            there is a whole bunch more, i have been seeing them all day on tv.

      • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

        What can I say, people are stupid.

    • Edward Meehan
  • still haven’t finished the show. but i doubt anything will beat the intensity of the “double-date” scene in the country bunkin bar.

    • Edward Meehan

      How far into the show have you gotten?

      • i think i’m right at the point where detective #1 opens up the chest full of guns and half-pint of jack dagniels

        • Edward Meehan

          e4!

          I was going to toss a quote your way but its right around where you are at, so I’ll save it.

          • i’ll let you know when i’m finished, and you can toss it.
            i was at an antique mall and saw old issues of True Detective comics! wondered if my pal Edward would want any of those…

          • Edward Meehan

            That’s where they got the idea to make it an anthology series, because the True Detective comics featured different stories all the time (I guess, cause I read about them I haven’t read them).

          • Edward Meehan

            … that’s a suave new avatar btw.

          • Tyree

            Glad you are using “suave” now.

          • Doctor Dickless

            Tyree has started a new trend and we shall praise you for it.

          • Edward Meehan

            Suave is a Tyree trend?

          • Doctor Dickless

            It may be a fail on my part. I saw him using it earlier and thought that it was his thing.

          • Tyree

            It’s a Blue Velvet Reference that I used in today’s first post.

          • fun coincidence! i was talking to a guy at work this morning about movies, and he mentioned Blue Velvet, said he’s gonna bring in the DVD for me to watch!

          • CONAN THE MOTHERFUCKING KING

            my favorite, dennis hopper man, dennis hopper. He is a fucking beast in it. A classic villian.

          • Edward Meehan

            Work has been nuts today / was this morning, I need to catch up.

            I haven’t seen Blue Velvet, by the way.

          • Doctor Dickless

            Me neither, but I’ve been meaning to watch it. Not enough time!

          • KJM

            It’s good entry level Lynch, but his other movies are so much better.

          • Tyree

            What are your favs from him?

          • KJM

            Wild At Heart
            Mulholland Drive
            Inland Empire
            (and of course) Twin Peaks

          • Tyree

            1 Blue Velvet
            2 The Elephant Man
            3 Eraserhead
            4 Mulholland Drive
            5 Inland Empire
            6 Wild At Heart
            http://www.gifwave.com/media/27819/dancing-wild-at-heart-movies-nicolas-cage.gif

          • Inland Empire >>>>>>>>

          • Tyree

            That’s some creepy shit brah!

          • That’s why it’s mah fave!

          • CONAN THE MOTHERFUCKING KING

            we shit on cage, but he was a MAJOR talent , its just buried down deep somewhere. He should take a sabbatical from acting and come back with a great screenplay under his belt and prove all his detractors wrong.

          • KJM

            He’s just made some questionable career choices, as have many actors.

          • Edward Meehan

            He was excellent in Bringing Out The Dead, which is highly underrated.

          • Doctor Dickless

            I think I’ve seen The Elephant Man and I liked it. I’ve heard that Eraserhead is good.

          • Tyree

            The Elephant Man is boss!

            Eraserhead too of course.

          • Doctor Dickless

            I have it recorded. I should watch it again because it’s been a long time since I saw it. I have a free day tomorrow (no tests to supervise) so maybe I’ll rewatch it.

          • KJM

            Eraserhead is a good movie to see once. I’ll never sit through it again.

          • Doctor Dickless

            David Lynch makes good stuff, but he isn’t on the same level for me as Ingmar Bergman is.

          • KJM

            Lynch would agree with you about Bergman.

          • Doctor Dickless

            Not so fun fact: David Lynch is of Finnish descent.

          • CONAN THE MOTHERFUCKING KING

            I find that the case with some of his films although i have seen blue velvet multiple times. The story actually makes sense and hoppers performance makes him one of the best on screen villians of all time. The guy could intimidate king kong and godzilla, let alone the emperor and darth vader. Plus the Thrax song now its dark is about him.

          • KJM

            Lost Highway is the only Lynch movie to completely escape me.

          • CONAN THE MOTHERFUCKING KING

            I am lost on mullholland as well, although the two beautiful lead actresses are luminous in it. Lynch knows how to make women look their sexiest.

          • Edward Meehan

            I’ve seen Lost Highway, years and years ago it went over my head, and I dunno what else of his I have seen, honestly.

          • Tyree

            Lost Highway I found to be pretty weak.

          • Edward Meehan

            What’s some of the best Lynch stuff?

          • Tyree

            I posted my list to KJM. See below.

          • CONAN THE MOTHERFUCKING KING

            thats one i have had a fuck of a time trying to figure out, although i have tried, a lot. Robert Blake is totally fucked up in that though, hahahhahhah.

          • I have to celebrate you baby,
            I have to praise you like I should

          • thanks!! i fall more in love with Dominic West every time i google for a new image (not to mention his character McNulty).

          • CONAN THE MOTHERFUCKING KING

            I still love jigsaw man, my favorite comic character villian tied with ledger’s batman. If only that punisher movie could have been better made overall. Him and his brother were a fucking joy to watch.

  • KJM

    Bray Wyatt is The Yellow King.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdDyQ1Qxtvg

    • Janitor Jim Dvggan

      Bray is the man. Why can’t they push him and Ambrose instead of pushing Reigns or Rollins? Also, why the hell won’t they push Damien Sandow? The guy is amazing on the mic yet he is saddled with crappy gimmick after crappy gimmick.

      • KJM

        Sandow pissed someone off bigtime.

        Where the heck are the damned Wyatt Family? They weren’t at Night Of Champions or Raw, and they’re not gonna be at Smackdown unless it’s a pre-taped piece.

  • This was indeed a fantastic show. I also recommend Top of the Lake and Les Revenants.

    • Edward Meehan

      I have not seen either of those.

      • I don’t know if they are still on there, but not too long ago, they were both on Netflix.

  • Aleandra Daddario’s rack is immaculate.

    • CONAN THE MOTHERFUCKING KING

      natural too, oh i love her, she made chainsaw 3d for me, although i dug the violence too. She is a fine actress as well. She also avoided the fappening by showing her goods in TD. Goddamn, one of the best bodies ever. A real scream queen in the making.

  • guest

    great show, plus it had some nice bewwwbbbbsss

  • FeelTheDarkness

    I have to admit I watched every episode but it wasn’t as good as everyone says.It had it’s moments but as whole….pfffftttttt

    • Edward Meehan

      At least we can agree on Boardwalk Empire!

  • The Black Dahlia Burger

    Man I loved season 1 (DAT LONG TAKE TRACKING SHOT MMMMM), but Vince Vaughn is going to have to really blow me away, I just don’t think he’ll be as good as either performance in the first season.

    • Edward Meehan

      I thought the ending of TD s1 e4 was one of the best endings / action sequences to appear on TV in a while, that shit blew me away.