On this episode of the Toilet ov Hell Radio Show, Joe and 365 record from a post-Thanksgiving stupor on the blackest of Black Fridays. Join us for discussions of Lamb of God‘s sales numbers, Victory Records losing a massive lawsuit, Deafheaven and Carcass on tour, an argument about Antifa shutting down a festival headlined by Graveland, and tips on how to fry a turkey. Music this week comes from Raphael Weinroth-Browne, Fury of Five, and Thralldom. Be sure to listen for our special new sponsor at the beginning of the show ; )

Music featured in this program:

Raphael Weinroth-Browne – “Walk with Me in Hell” (Lamb of God cover) (Facebook)(YouTube)
Fury of Five – “Do or Die” from World Domination (Facebook)
Thralldom – “Chronovisions” from Time Will Bend Into Horror (Facebook)(Bandcamp)

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  • Señor Jefe El Rosa

    This one should be fun!

  • Missed opportunity to be called the time travel episode

  • Howard Dean
  • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

    Walk With Me in Hell aka “The Last Good Lamb of God Song”

  • Maik Beninton™
  • Pentagram Sam

    Fried turkey >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

  • GL

    Great advertisement, Joe. 10/10. I was hoping you would break that out sooner than later!


  • Just got to the design the skyline part, i’m good buddies with one of their old bass players <3

    • GL

      poser spotted.

      • He sings in a band called Alive/Alone, who are great live. All around 4 super solid dudes who stayed in my house for a couple days last time they toured through. Much pizza/pbr/thundersteel was had.

        • GL

          Sounds like a lot of heartburn, buddy. <3

    • I have a lot of questions for him RE: his old band

      • Want me to get you an interview?

        • Get him on the show!

          • GL

            that would be a serious… *wait for it*… VICTORY!

          • “Ricky, would you describe yourself as a ‘poser’?”

  • It’s so weird listening when I’m not on the show. I have to stop myself from responding to yall

  • Zeke

    I know this is a somewhat unpopular opinion, but having some personal experience with victory records, I don’t think tony’s a total scumbag (even though he is definitely a vindictive lunatic). his business model is to offer really shitty deals to virtually any band with even the smallest potential of being successful, and then hope that 1 of his 50 bands will hit. anyone that’s not a total idiot knows from the get go that the deals he offers are shitty, yet bands sign anyway. then once a band gets successful they try to beg out of the deal. I think it’s a bit of a buyer beware situation

    • GL

      No one can fault him for making poor deals with lots of bands, it is in his right to do so. I guess it is just crummy when he does not stick to the deals he signed up for.

      • Zeke

        I haven’t followed this latest lawsuit, but I don’t think it’s generally the case that he doesn’t stick to his deals (although I’m sure he’s very shady with his royalty payments once a band has crossed him). he offers a shitty deal to small bands that are just looking to get signed; they sign and if they happen to become successful they realize how one sided the deal is and then they try to get out. I feel like that’s not really on him- the band shouldn’t have signed in the first place

        • Howard Dean

          It’s true that it’s not “morally” on him (the drafter of the contract), but I think courts will often side with the plaintiff in cases where the signee of the contract reasonably believes something about the contract that is either verbally stated or even implied by the drafter–even if it’s something that’s not actually in the executed legal instrument. If there exists a certain level of reliability by the signee on what was implied, and this reliability resulted in harm (financial or otherwise) to the signee, the drafter of the contract can actually be sued on the grounds of promissory estoppel.*

          *Disclaimer: I’m not a legal professional, so this is only the half-formed opinion of a man who read a book on contract law once.

          • Zeke

            if there’s fraudulent inducement situation, that would be one thing. but if it’s just a plainly one-sided deal which the band either: (1) wasn’t smart enough to have someone review for them; or (2) was aware that it wasn’t a great deal but didn’t have enough confidence in their viability to hold out for something better, then that’s not fraudulent inducement… that’s just a party signing a bad deal*
            *disclaimer- this comment was typed from my law office while I’m supposed to be doing legal work instead of slacking on this here toilet

          • GL


          • Howard Dean

            I’m guessing the suit would focus on both parties arguing the definition of “fraudulent inducement,” and whether or not a strongly-slanted and potentially punitive contract is fraudulent or not. The signees would have their hands full, for sure. I think the thing I was trying to stress was that caveat emptor is not the law of the land anymore, and that even legal contracts can be scrutinized and nullified for these reasons.

          • Zeke

            while there are ways to get out of a contract if the terms or bargaining position of the parties were unreasonably one-sided, I think a bunch of 20 year olds would have a hard time selling the “whoa is me” defense regarding the bargaining position argument. I certainly would have known not to just blindly sign a record contract when I was that age. with that said, I haven’t followed this recent lawsuit, so maybe I’m wrong and they won with that very argument

    • Howard Dean

      Caveat emptor no longer the precedent in common law? No cares from Uncle Tony. Sign ’em! YEA BOI!”×9/960.jpg

    • Pentagram Sam

      In the late nineties and early 00’s there was a label called LMP. Limb Schnoor or some shit. He signed and released all the shitty shit shit power metal he could find.

      In each release on the label there was a mini catalog for all this crap he wanted you to buy. In this sea of sloppy poop, there were a couple bands who got out one or two really good releases. The biggest and really only breakout band he signed was Rhapsody, who got into legal issues with him when contract was up. And Pagan’s Mind who were stuck with him for a few releases.

      Another band, Vanishing Point, had to wait something like four or five years before the “Embrace The Silence” album cos of issues with LMP. That’s prob why it’s almost exactly 80 min long.

      Everyone thought this label was a joke, but any deal, even a shitty deal sounds like a good deal and especially when the musician doesn’t know dick about any legal speak

      • Limb Records? loooooooooooooooooooooooooooool fuck them

      • Zeke

        that’s exactly the position that these small unsigned bands are in. but if they’re signing a record deal without having it reviewed by an entertainment law attorney the yokels are stupid enough to deserve to get duped

        • Especially today with crowd funding and bandcamp.

          I get that a lot of young bands are stupid or ignorant and don’t understand what they need to do, but there are loads of other independent musicians who are happy to help one another navigate today’s independent music business.

        • I could be wrong, but it seems like the average demo of a band that signs to Victory is dudes somewhere in their late teens to early twenties – generally not the most forward-thinking group.

          • Zeke

            you’re correct. but if they’re adult enough to sign a contract they should be adult enough to realize that they have to understand what they’re signing. victory takes a hit on 90% of the shitty bands they sign, and victory can’t cry foul over that. but I don’t think it’s fair that the 10% that do well can just try to get out of the deal because they were 20 year olds when they signed it and didn’t realize what they were getting themselves into… god, I can’t believe I’m defending victory records

          • Do you think Tony would sign the shitty powerviolence band I started with Leif Bearikson?

          • Zeke

            you should’ve heard the piece of shit band that I was in that he was interested in signing

          • Oh man. Please share!

          • Zeke

            if there’s any mercy in the world, our myspace page will have been deleted by this point

          • GL

            God I hope there is no mercy being spared today……

          • Zeke

            fine, i’ll be a good sport… here you go

          • Fuck, Purevolume is a blast from the past! Lord, I hope my shitty old bands aren’t still on here.

          • Zeke

            as they say, anything you post on the internet will be around for eternity… I guess it’s good that I don’t run a toilet-themed blog

          • more beer

            Vaginal Beartrap are excellent. I saw them in June. The bass player is a really nice guy. Him and I spoke about music for about an hour before their set.

          • GL

            yiiiiiiisssssssssss. I give you the authority to charge your sweet lawyer time to RT.

          • GL

            not playing for me. bummer!

          • Zeke

            hmm, me neither. YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • GL

            To continue with the generalizations…. I remember thinking I knew everything in the world when I was that age, so I guess it is not a surprise other people think that same way.

          • Zeke

            haha, I didn’t hear that you gave me a little shout out in the episode

  • Dumpster Lung ᴰᵃᵐᵃᵍᵉ_ᴵⁿᶜ⁸⁹

    Too bad you had that merch idea after-the-fact, Joe. It’s a great one! You could find some really grotesque picture involving semen and have the back of the shirt say “I came for Carcass.”

  • no Albus, keep jumping around.
    fantastic show!! the podcast is one of the highlights of my week.

  • Elegant Gazing Globe

    just getting to this now, great pre-roll ad guys