Toilet Radio dissects the Patreon screwjob

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On this thrilling episode of Toilet Radio, your hosts Joe, 365, and Brenocide are going off half-cocked and belligerent. First, we’re talking about Josh Homme’s recent meltdown opening up for Muse, then we’re talking about our extremely stupid Striborg beef, then we’re discussing Al Jourgensen’s latest ill-advised entry into politically-driven music. BUT MOSTLY we’re diving deep into the numbers of Patreon’s trumped up fee structure. Like Icarus, this rising star of Silicon Valley is flying too close to the sun on wings made of wax to better fulfill terms for investors. The rich will get richer and the poor can go get fucked; we’ll show you how it’s going down. You’ll laugh, you’ll cry, you’ll get mad as hell with this very special ‘sode.

Music featured on this program:
Nightfear – “The Blade” from Cryptasm (Bandcamp)

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  • Lacertilian
  • HessianHunter

    I’m way more mad about Homme calling the audience “retards” than I am about him kicking a camera and accidentally hurting someone. To me it looks obvious that he wasn’t trying to hurt anyone with the kick, but he was still extremely careless and his apology for it was some macho bullshit. But calling people “retards” as an insult in 2017? Grow the fuck up, dude.

    • GrumpLumpusCrumpus

      YOU KNOW YOU MESSED UP BIG TIME WHEN A TINY BABY IN A PUMPKIN TELLS YOU TO GROW THE FUCK UP

  • Howard Dean

    Dude’s a douchebag for sure, but Kyuss and QotSA are great.

    • Retchin’ Rites ov Karhu

      Kyuss is A++ but more QOTSA does, the more I believe the persistent rumours/claims about using ghostwriters, Villains felt incredibly insignificant.
      (Man, we’re disagreeing hard af lately, that’s a new)

      • Dubby Fresh

        I think it’s all the talk about Finland lately. You’re Finnish negativity has been surging.

        • Retchin’ Rites ov Karhu

          Your*

          • Dubby Fresh

            Hoisted by my own petard.

        • Slimylimey

          It’s the country where I want to be. Although it is a poor second to Belgium when going abroad.

      • Howard Dean
        • *clears throat* BOOOOOOOOOOOOO

          • Slimylimey

            Completely off topic (it’s all Howard’s fault), but a genuinely serious question? What is so fascinating and/or amazing about Ghost? What am I missing?

          • got me, dude. I don’t really dig classic rock

          • Slimylimey

            That’s a relief, I was beginning to think it was just me.

          • GrumpLumpusCrumpus

            GHOST IS REALLY REALLY GOOD AT MAKING ME REALIZE HOW MUCH I WOULD RATHER BE LISTENING TO KING DIAMOND OR ANYTHING WITH FLAVOR

      • HessianHunter

        I’ve never heard rumors about Homme using ghostwriters – even with the (shitty) new QOTSA stuff, I feel like I can hear his stamp, especially with the guitar playing. I just don’t see how another person would effectively write licks for/like Homme.

        • Retchin’ Rites ov Karhu

          Used to hear it a lot regarding up-to-and-including Songs For The Deaf. Didn’t pay them much mind. Regarding the actual size of Oliveri’s and Lanegan’s participation – though I never took ’em to mean Homme wouldn’t have written anything at all. Especially since there’s definitely his handprint here and there on each album.

          • GrumpLumpusCrumpus

            *FOOTPRINT

    • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

      *I’m not gonna post a Kyuss song I’m not gonna post a Kyuss song I’m not gonna post a Kyuss song I’m not gonna post a Kyuss song I’m not gonna post a Kyuss song I’m not gonna post a Kyuss song I’m not gonna post a Kyuss song I’m not gonna post a Kyuss song I’m not gonna post a Kyuss song I’m not gonna post a Kyuss song I’m not gonna post a Kyuss song I’m not gonna post a Kyuss song I’m not gonna post a Kyuss song I’m not gonna post a Kyuss song I’m not gonna post a Kyuss song I’m not gonna post a Kyuss song I’m not gonna post a Kyuss song I’m not gonna post a Kyuss song I’m not gonna post a Kyuss song I’m not gonna post a Kyuss song I’m not gonna post a Kyuss song I’m not gonna post a Kyuss song I’m not gonna post a Kyuss song I’m not gonna post a Kyuss song I’m not gonna post a Kyuss song I’m not gonna post a Kyuss song*

      Ah fuck it…

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMwQ2ym4ygo

  • Howard Dean

    It’s definitely not equivalent to physical violence against other people or animals, but damaging property because you are angry is still pretty fucking lame. I can understand being pissed off, but you’re likely causing direct damage to people (local business owners, etc) and collateral damage to others. It’s a shitty thing to do.

    • Sure, but businesses have insurance. It’s not the end of the world and no one can ever convince me to give a fuck about a broken Starbucks window.

      • Howard Dean

        Insurance coverage is a moral hazard in more ways than one. Using it as justification for intentional damage done to property is wrong. Starbucks can afford it, sure. But not everyone can. The second half of the episode is about looking out for the little guy. That applies here, as well.

        The small business owner next to Starbucks who had his window broken probably also has insurance too–he buys it from the local branch office. When he makes a claim to fix the damage, his premium will likely go up. If it happens again and again, he may not be able to afford it or the insurance company may flat out drop him. He may go out of business. The people who work for him may lose their jobs. That sucks for everyone involved–all because somebody who is mad believes no one is harmed by destroying property.

        • That is a very sad scenario so it makes me feel better to know that it has never, ever happened.

          • Howard Dean

            Ah, what? You don’t think people get priced out or dropped from insurance for making claims? Insurance isn’t a blank check guaranty; small business owners often don’t make claims for individual items like broken windows because they are afraid of losing coverage (which they will need when someone throws a molotov cocktail through the window next time and the building burns to the ground).

            When you are a business owner, having someone intentionally destroy your property sucks and hurts you. It doesn’t matter who you are.

          • No one has ever been dropped or priced out of insurance due to antifa property destruction. No one is throwing Molotovs through windows. This is a very silly argument to make.

          • Howard Dean

            Is it honestly silly to say that it’s wrong for people to intentionally destroy other people’s property? Because that’s all I’m trying to say.

          • I agree with you for the most part. The slippery slope justifications are just unnecessary

          • Howard Dean

            I described that hypothetical scenario because I think people equate insurance coverage to a magic wand that suddenly makes it OK. It’s not OK. Just because someone can file a claim to cover the damage doesn’t justify it or make it any less shitty, and it’s certainly not a victim-less crime.

          • RJA

            I happen to be a small business “owner” – family business, my Dad is actual owner. We go out of our way to NOT file claims, short term costs on our end will always be outweighed by long term costs from insurance – just a fact.

            Edit: Of course we’re not going to be dropped or priced out of insurance – not what I wanted to imply. Just that when I see damage done to businesses I don’t just think – “oh well, fuck it”

          • This is why it seems to we should put more focus on insurance companies systemically fucking people over than the peripheral threat of a broken window from young hoodlums.

          • RJA

            Absolutely! Those are two vastly different levels of inconvenience! Hoodlums breaking a window – maybe like a bee sting. Dealing with insurance premiums – maybe being mauled by a bear?

          • more beer

            This exactly. I won’t do anything at work that can cause me to have to file a claim from my business insurance. As a sole proprietor I don’t want that expense to go up and every claim raises it. I have enough business expenses as it is.

  • Maik Beninton™

    If Dagon were to hear this, and I hope he’s still around, he would be very upset.

  • tigeraid

    The Patreon thing is confusing and dumb, but really not as big a deal as THE INTERNET OUTRAGE has made it. Though I don’t think they were thinking of the patrons that like to, say, spend $1 on twenty different creators.

    • internet outrage really pisses me off these days

      • tigeraid

        For 95% of all patrons, it is literally pennies. Even for us Canadian patrons, it’s a few more pennies. Calm the fuck down people.

        But it does suck that Patreon did it sort of suddenly, and didn’t consult the creators first. They could’ve softened the “blow.”

        • cmon naw, just let joe Get Mad Online

        • I guess it comes down to how comfortable you are with fees and surcharges and other such names for charging you more for doing the same shit. I think it sucks (as outlined on this show).

          • tigeraid

            By all means. I would’ve rather they charged creators extra, so that creators then can say to the fans “we need to increase our costs by a buck” or whatever, with a nice thorough explanation. That’s worth getting butthurt over. I don’t think the actual monetary value is.

        • Dumpster Lung

          I think the issue is mostly for creators that rely on Patreon as a primary source of income, like Youtube streamers who quit their day jobs. This stuff makes them start hemorrhaging followers and losing income.

          I don’t think it affects more reasonable, less risky situations, but I think that’s where it really has some impact.

      • Slimylimey

        I am outraged about your outrage about internet outrage.

  • Joaquin Stick

    I’d rather listen to Breno’s a cappella version of QofSA than the actual band.

    #HommeFacts

    • HRUHHHYUUUHUUUHYUUUUH HRRRUUUUUHMMMMM

    • Dumpster Lung

      I like their old stuff, and a handful of songs here and there. I love like 2-3 songs, like a handful more, and the rest I don’t remember at all. If I could see QotSA in a 500 capacity venue (or less, because less is better) I’d absolutely do it, but anything more than that I just couldn’t bother.

  • TheGranulatingDarkSatanicMilfs

    OOT: This political genius lost the Alabama election

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFYRkzznsc0

  • what a gridlock. i want to support TovH, but not Patreon’s new system. to pull out right now, would only damage the creator. Catch-22. i’ll e-mail Patreon my dissatisfaction, but i’m sure it’s going to fall on deaf ears.

  • tigeraid

    Aaaaaand now this. Good on them for listening, at least. https://blog.patreon.com/not-rolling-out-fees-change/