Toilet Radio battles over politics and hip hop with STUCK MOJO

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In this extremely contentious episode of Toilet Radio, Joe and 365 get on the phone with Robby J. Fonts, the latest vocalist for long running rap metal band Stuck Mojo. We press Robby on the band’s continued anti-Muslim imagery, Robby’s assertion that Vince and Axl at MetalSucks are pedophiles, and discuss his belief that YouTube is suppressing the band’s viewcount for their controversial song “Rape Whistle”. Is taxation theft? Does hypocrisy matter? Is this all just a ploy to build celebrity within the right wing media? Find out on this episode.

Music featured on this program:
Nails – “Confront Them” from Obscene Humanity (Facebook)(Bandcamp)
Crusty Old Toad – “Edge of the Forest” from Turn People Into Food (Facebook)(Bandcamp)

  • Lacertilian
    • Dumpster Lung

      Oh shit, this is amazing.

  • HessianHunter

    Ohhhhhhh shit

  • R.M.T.

    [clears throat]
    CUCK MOJO

  • Grvm Spectre ov Derth

    I imagine his reasonings are a verbal form of this gif. http://sports.cbsimg.net/images/visual/whatshot/PolancoTrip051515.gif

  • RiotAct13

    “You don’t even have it so bad, anymore, at least.”

    Famous last words.

  • Welp. There goes my cringe reserves for the day.

    • Made it a solid 14:34 before having to turn it off.

  • Haven’t had a chance to listen yet. Can someone summarize how much stangry butthurt occurred over political opinions held by those whose only real influence in US politics is (maybe) a single vote within the respective state in which they reside?

    • Maybe try listening?

      • I’ll give it a go when I’m not just taking a break from work.

      • Óðinn

        I listen to the whole thing. It was great.

  • RiotAct13

    “Perhaps there’s waning interest in this band in general.”

    Nicely done.

    • R.M.T.

      Waning implies it hasn’t bottomed out yet.

      • RiotAct13

        They’re awfully polite

  • RiotAct13

    He seriously fucking thinks his fanbase listens to his shit every day? Does he think Sttuck Mojo is ANYBODY’S favorite artist?
    FUCKITY FUCK

    • Sid Vicious Promos

      Stuck Mojo is nobody’s favorite artist. I’d rather listen to Gravity Kills than Stuck Mojo.

      • RiotAct13

        I’d listen to Rick Astley on repeat

        • Sid Vicious Promos

          At least he wrote one hit although it has been diluted by the invention of the Rick Roll.

          • Pagliacci is Kvlt

            He didn’t write it.

          • Sid Vicious Promos

            At least it’s better than Stuck Mojo.

          • RiotAct13

            I’d rather listen to I Ran, WITH the video.

          • Dumpster Lung

            Dude, I Ran is a good song! At least if we’re talking about that Flock of Seagulls song, which I assume we are.

  • Sid Vicious Promos

    Hoo boy this is gonna be good.

  • Sid Vicious Promos

    Robby Fonts: the Comic Sans of nu metal.

    • Wet W’s Whistle

      Pretty sure that’s Motogrator.

      • Sid Vicious Promos

        I disagree.

      • more beer

        Pretty sure that’s all of it.

  • RiotAct13

    He’s never seen anybody call Vince and All pedophiles before? Fuck, no wonder his band sucks. He’s deaf, dumb AND blind.

  • RiotAct13

    Who the fuck calls people islamophobic for saying they don’t think muslims offa building?

    Meanwhile Pinochet’s helicopter shit makes him /ourguy/

  • I’m of the opinion that people who think like Robby does have likely never met, interacted with or ventured outside their own cultural bubble. Combine that with exposure to conservative propaganda and you get individuals with these narrow world views.

    • Mosh Hoff

      Bingo.

    • BobLoblaw

      Valid point, though it does extend to the polar opposite as well.

      • Very true and that’s why we’re at where we’re at right now.

      • I think experiencing poverty or at least empathizing with it can really shape a person’s views.

        • GoatForest

          100% agree. Growing up in poverty greatly affected the financial component of my worldview. I think if I had grown up affluent, I would have turned out quite different.

        • BobLoblaw

          Whole heartedly agree but merely being empathetic from within the safety of your bubble breeds the same kind of disconnect from the reality of the issue.

  • RiotAct13

    The problems of the black community would vanish if they adopted conservative ideology huh.

    I hate to be THAT sew, but how fucking white is this guy.

  • RiotAct13

    Dumb piece of shit Robby J; you aren’t making anybody think. You make us all dumber, which is pretty much the opposite.

    *flushes this piece of shit and brushes the toilet down to make sure no stains remain*

  • Joaquin Stick

    Lol, I was waiting eagerly for a mention of the Straw Man fallacy. Took longer than expected.

  • Howard Dean
  • TheGranulatingDarkSatanicMilfs

    Wait, wait… so, they aren’t pedophiles?

    Kidding aside, thanks Joe and 365, for this unusual episode. Kudos for giving the opposite end of the political spectrum a chance to speak

  • J.R.™

    I am unsure if I want to listen to this episode. I want to hear about Joe’s fun adventures, but I can already tell fuccboi is going to get under my skin. Especially since, by some of the comments already, I can tell he’s just another surface level reactionary peddling a right leaning ideology he doesn’t understand to garner a base of support from similarly ignorant losers.

    • No discussion of adventures on this sode because the interview ran so long. We’ll probably talk about Cuba next week!

      • You sound super super sick in the beginning, man. Hopefully you are feeling better!

      • J.R.™

        Well don’t tell me that haha
        I’ll still listen though because what the hell else am I supposed to do

  • Joaquin Stick

    Crusty Old Toad sounds pretty fun. Will be listening to more of that later.

  • R.M.T.

    [head in hands] HE IS SO FUCKING IGNORANT

    • Dumpster Lung

      That’s what is sort of the bright side, though. Dude’s 23. I mean, I’m only 28, so it’s not like I’m some world-wise fucking scholar of the human condition either lol, but point is that with an attitude like his, being willing to talk reasonably with people who wholeheartedly disagree with his views, there’s a whole lot of room for the dude to grow beyond the very narrow-minded views he expressed here.

      • moving to Chicago is going to be a great move on his part.

  • Hans Copronym

    Well, as you said yourself, kudos to all parties for pulling this off calmly.

    HOLY SHIT is this man delusional. Impending vomit may have played a part, but the utter weariness in Joe’s voice at the end was kinda funny.

  • Óðinn

    It’s interesting to hear how young this guy actually is. Not just because he stated that he’s 23, but because of things like the fact that he’d never heard of Bob Jones University, that he found almost no value in his college education, and that he thought that people in the LGBT community don’t experience violence.

    • TheGranulatingDarkSatanicMilfs

      He reminded me of myself in my teens, browsing 4chan and thinking that racist jokes were funny and that being offended was a choice. I can tell you that, now that we have a creep in the White House saying that Mexicans living in the US (like yours truly) are criminals and rapists, the whole “being offended is a choice” is complete utter bullshit

      • question (not necessarily for you, but for anyone who sees this): how come being offended isn’t considered a choice? i take no particular stance on the topic, in fact i hadn’t even given it a thought until now; but this has made me curious.

        • TheGranulatingDarkSatanicMilfs

          In my personal case, back in the good ol’ pre-Trump days, someone would rant about “beaners ruining this country” or whatever, and I’d just shrug and think “it’s a choice to be offended and I choose not to be offended by this bullshit”. It wasn’t until this last election, when the guy that built a platform out of (among other despicable things) railing against people like me won, that I realized that things run a bit deeper than “being offended”; that sometimes the people that hold these beliefs can make changes and create disadvantages for me

          • i’m picking up what you’re putting down. thanks!

        • Lone Biker of the Apocalypse

          This is a great question Jimmy, and while I may have to ponder this/elaborate more, I think that on some basic level, there are things that pretty much every person in a culture values, and when things like human rights, equality, or even freedom are called into question, it’s hard not to feel something when someone else violates your own values and norms. However, how much you get offended and what you do/think about it are definitely relative.

          For example, the members of the Westboro Bapist Church are, according to most students I talk to, the most offensive group out there. Regardless of ideology or political stance, the vast, vast majority of Americans are taught to value the sacrifice and bravery of our armed service men and women. So when this group pickets a soldier’s funeral saying God hates him, calls him the f_ _ word, and says he is at this moment burning in hell, it’s hard not to be offended. I don’t really recall choosing to feel offended – on a social-psychological level, I think I just was.

          With that example, the first time I saw this, I didn’t yell, scream, or get online to hurl insults at them. I didn’t join a group to fight them or drive to Texas to work against them. But since I was raised and socialized in this culture, it was hard not to feel “offended” when I first heard of this group, even if I kept my offense to myself.

          • Thanks for the well thought out response! After spending several hours pondering (and reading the nice responses), I have come up with my own theory:
            Being offended is an emotional response to an event, an autonomous neurological reaction if you will. We have no control over (aka we cannot choose) which emotional responses that our bodies produce right away. Having said that, we DO choose how to react after said event. I think it’s similar to receiving physical pain: upon being kicked in the nuts, I’m definitely going to wince and scream out… But then it becomes my choice to either brush it off, or fight back.

            Therefore we do not choose to be offended, but we do have the power to choose how we respond.

          • Lone Biker of the Apocalypse

            Very nice as well…I think through trying to figure this one out, that your last sentence nicely sums up what I think I was getting at. Although the whole idea of choice gets a little dicey as well lol. If I work at a bank, and some guy with a gun comes in and kicks me square in the jimmies (sorry!) I probably have no choice how I respond to this offense, (unless I want to be shot). Conversely, if I am growing up in an impoverished area and am a 13 year old boy who got kicked in the nuts, my peer group pressure, (or the social ramifications of not fighting back and being viewed as week, thus being picked on more) may make my response more necessity, and less personal choice.
            However, at the end of the day, there is an argument that we are all responsible for our choices in how we respond – environment be damned.

          • RMK

            My reply above about being offended vs. symbolic/structural violence is probably as applicable to this comment as the one above

        • RMK

          FWIW: I think it’s worth I think it’s important to recognize there’s a difference between “being offended” and having literal symbolic violence done to you. Hate speech and other forms of racist and dehumanizing language and symbolic acts are harmful not just because they “hurt feelings,” but because they legitimize and perpetuate systemic forms of oppression and exclusion against marginalized groups. Using racialized slurs or pseudoscience that imply or state directly that black, brown, queer, etc. people are “less than human” or somehow deserving of unequal status contribute to the structural violence that harms those communities. Hence, this is why (IMHO) activists and organizations have a “right to self-defense” to organize and resist people like Milo, Ann Coulter, and even scientific racists like Charles Murray.

          • Thanks! this is the kind of specificity which really helps when discussing issues like politics. too often it becomes easy to stray away from a word’s or phrase’s pre-established definition into the territory of connotations and idioms… and that’s exactly when chaos ensues.

          • RMK

            Glad to hear this was helpful! I know it is not intuitive for most people to think about violence and ideology (especially “-isms” like racism, sexism, homophobia, etc.) as “systemic” phenomena and not merely “direct” or “interpersonal” actions or feelings. (Like how you don’t have to be consciously “racist” yourself to exhibit racial biases, or recognize that “colorless” legislation and public policies can lead to racially segregated outcomes, etc.) Indeed, we are basically trained to think otherwise! There is a long and dense scholarly tradition of writers and thinkers on these subjects, but often it’s hard for these ideas to break into the mainstream, especially insofar as they cut against predominant ideas and structures. Which is why I’m so glad to see these sorts of discussions here! Keep up the good work, metal + critical thinking is a winning formula!

  • TheGranulatingDarkSatanicMilfs

    He really does have very weak arguments, like saying that everyone watches their favorite bands’ videos several times. Complete bullshit. Carcass is by far my favorite band and I’ve seen the video for “Unfit For Human Consumption” only once

    • Dumpster Lung

      Pretty much the same here. I also don’t even check out videos for my favorite bands at all sometimes since metal videos are extremely hit or miss. And I haven’t given that idiom much thought before now, but I imagine its origins are with baseball, so that’d make the majority of metal videos “bunt or miss.” Maybe even, “get hit with the ball so you get to walk to base or miss and also the bat flies out of your hands.”

      What I’m saying is metal videos are more likely to suck or at least be very uninteresting a lot of the time lol.

      • TheGranulatingDarkSatanicMilfs

        Exactly. The metal video artform started and ended with Metallica’s “One”

  • Óðinn

    Great episode, Joe and 365. Even though I don’t like Stuck Mojo’s music and I definitely don’t agree with this guy politically, I do a appreciate the political discussion and the want that the Toilet ov Hell Radio hosts handle interviews.

    • GoatForest

      They’re doing shit right. A certain, non- toilet themed blog could learn a thing or two from them.

  • Freedom Jew
    • KJM, Drug Honkey

      “Who created you , and WHY!!”

  • While he was quite ignorant at times, I’m actually surprised at how composed he was, and while I disagree with pretty much all his thoughts and opinions, I can kinda sorta understand how he formed them. Good job on all you guys, including Robby, at not letting the conversation devolve into a yelling match or personal attacks.

    • Lacertilian

      Wait until you hear the director’s cut

  • Stockhausen

    20 minutes in and my palm has been fused to my face for a solid 15 minutes.

    • Stockhausen

      Just got through the YouTube part. This is truly dumbfounding.

  • A.P.

    I think this was important because it shows once again that the easily-demonized and mocked alt-right and libertarian types have the capacity to at least fail to attempt to structure an argument in a relatively eloquent and effective style. It’s easy to make caricatures of the idiots that try and spread these messages, but it’s important to keep the right perspectives about who they actually are. I was impressed with his composure and willingness to speak with you guys, not that I didn’t find him to be, simply put, fucking stupid.

  • What an utterly fascinating hour of talk radio!
    It’s clear that Robbie J. Fonts has the ability to reason, and seems like a friendly enough d00d. He’s also young. I predict that in 5-10 years he will widen his worldview and shed some of those *interesting* social views.

    Biggest cringe moment: the statements about welfare towards the end.

  • Finally listening. Kudos to the three of you for being completely civilian during these heated topics. That’s a very hard thing to pull off during these kind of interviews.

  • NDG

    This was good. Great work by everyone keeping it together in the face of opposing views. It’s rare to hear that kind of restraint from people with strong opinions these days.

    It did remind me of the conversation I had with a girl at my work who was flabbergasted that I didn’t believe in god. I explained (tl;dr version) that it didn’t make any sense to me. I then asked why she did believe in god. The tl;dr version of her answer was “rain”.