Throes of Compression: How Do You “Consume” Music?

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-“So, have you bought any CDs recently?”

-“LOL! Good one!!”

I kid, I kid. In a time where there are as many ways to listen to music as there are different multi-dressing combinations at an all-you-can-eat salad bar (I’ve done the math, there’s a respectable number), one has to find the method that is most suited to one’s madness. In my case, the madness is a self-inflicted non-disorder know as “assnerders”, which renders me incapable of listening to mp3 files without whinning about how badly compressed they are. Of course this also means that listening to music on Spotify or YouTube makes me want to jam hot pokers into my earducts, so that’s off the table. The next logical step are CDs, of which I started to build a collection until I ran into a bit of a problem: space runs out very, very quickly.

At one point I considered buying vinyl, but then realized that I don’t have a turntable. I did some reaserch and saw that a lot of people clamied that vinyl rips sound better than CD rips, so I tracked down several (re: a metric ton) lossless vinyl rips to see what all the fuss was about. And… I don’t get it. I may get slain for saying this, but having compared CD and vinyl rips of the same masters of the same albums I’ve concluded that 99 times out of 100, CD > Vinyl. This is mainly due to the fact that vinyl has A LOT of surface noise that is never removable in its entirety no matter how meticulously you clean it. And yes, vinyl does have “better” Dynamic Range… largely because of its inherent noise. Sorry vinyl, I tried.

Enter one of the (kinda) greatest inventions of recent history: lossless compression. When I found out that I could make perfect digital replicas of my CDs and keep them on my computer occupying less memory space, I flipped out. Add to that the fact that it is currently possible to purchase and download music that’s losslessly compressed from a myriad of sites (including bandcamp and HDTracks) for cheaper than a CD, and you have my winning combination: FLAC Files + FiiO E17 DAC + Audio Technica M50x. I do still buy CDs occasionally; I like buying an album at every new place I visit for example. And if I ever get a player I might start buying vinyl too, who knows.

Here’s what other people think (they’re all wrong ’cause they aren’t me):

Randall Thorr: Vinyl > Spotify > legal mp3 > grooveshark > car cd > bandcamp > YouTube > illegal mp3s (haven’t pirated music in two years).

JAG: I prefer listening at home on my stereo system. That’s ideal. If it’s older stuff it’s usually from my record collection but otherwise I don’t give a squirt of piss if it’s Spotify, CD, or any other format…even cassette. I can play pretty much anything. Even have a CD player that plays SACDs and DVD-Audio.

Papa Joe: If I had my druthers I’d listen to everything on my fancy-ass turntable. Unfortunately, I spend most of my life away from my fancy-ass turntable and in front of a computer so I mostly listen to Spotify on a mid-level set of headphones. Shameful confession: when I’m too lazy to leave my bed, I’ll often listen to Spotify through my shitty phone speakers.

Dubya: I usually listen through headphones unless I’m alone. If I’m home, I’ll jam some vinyl or just turn my computer speakers up. My internet connection at home is stupid slow, so I use my vintage Zune software. I still like using CDs in the car because there’s no traffic in my town so my car trips are always short and it feels like a waste of time to waste a fifth of my potential listening time queueing up a song on my phone. I listen to Spotify at work because the desktop application is way more useful than bandcamp. I only really use bandcamp to stream individual albums that aren’t on Spotify.

Guac Jim: My favourite way to listen to music is in the format for which it was intended. If it was originally produced on vinyl, I love listening to it on vinyl. If it was produced on CD, I prefer its sound on CD — and so on. It seems to me that the people who mixed it would have mixed it knowing the strengths and limitations of the format being used and therefore would have been crafting the final product to the best advantage of the medium. That being said, I almost exclusively listen to music digitally (saved on my hard drive or streamed online) because of the sheer convenience.

Stockhausen: As far as obtaining music, I always do physical media (CD and vinyl) or Bandcamp download/stream. I love the simplicity of the Bandcamp format, and it’s extremely easy to add to my personal library. Once I have the music in hand, my preference goes vinyl > CD > digital media. All of my listening equipment is decent enough and I love sitting down with it when I can, but it’s my phone’s music library (no streaming services) and earbuds for when I’m on the go.

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So what do you think? Do you wish there were more options at your average salad bar? Do you still own music in a physical format or are you COOL?!??!? Sound off in the comments.

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  • Scrimm

    Mostly Buy cd’s and burn them to my pc, but when I’m out I usually still have a case full with me.

    • DDubya.

      I used to keep a CD case in my old trucks, then someone broke into the truck. Humorously, they flipped through it, saw it was full of metal, and didn’t steal it. I still decided after that to not keep a huge binder of CDs in my vehicle.

      • Scrimm

        Some people got in my drummers car once and took his cd case full of metal, but didn’t bother with my 7 string sitting in plain view.

    • Howard Dean

      This is pretty much me.

  • The Bestest Tapir

    I usually only buy physical copies. I prefer CDs, mainly because vinyl is more expensive.

    • Nordling Rites ov Kahlua

      This pretty much. Although I devour music digitally too.

  • Howard Dean
  • Guacamole Jim

    -Guac Jim: My favourite way to listen to music is in the format for which it was intended. If it was originally produced on vinyl, I love listening to it on vinyl. If it was produced on CD, I prefer its sound on CD — and so on. It seems to me that the people who mixed it would have mixed it knowing the strengths and limitations of the format being used and therefore would have been crafting the final product to the best advantage of the medium. That being said, I almost exclusively listen to music digitally (saved on my hard drive or streamed online) because of the sheer convenience.

    • Nordling Rites ov Kahlua

      Do so well, oh great Quack Jimbob, and tell me that which I desire to know. (Below)

  • I purchase all my music digitally. Unless it my favorite band^2. Then I will try to pick up a physical copy or order one online. Online is the only way to really get the physical copies though and you don’t end up looking like a jack ass when you ask a clerk for “insert crazy metal name here”. Also, I have only ever obtained 5 cds that I never bought. I own all my content which is currently at 3000 songs. Eat it.

    I load the music into iTunes and then I use a pair of bitching head phones. I prefer to listen to music at full blast while at work. I hardly listen to music at home unless I am doing manly things in the garage, then, it is full on brutal time.

    Wait, what was the original question? lol

    GL

    • DDubya.

      I too am anti-pirating.

      • Don’t let Blackbeard hear that!

        GL

        • BLXKKBEXRD

          I really dont pirate as much as I used to. It should be obvious by now that my pirating activities are heavily offset by the amount of merch/vinyl/shows I consume.

      • Scrimm

        I’ll do it if it’s something I have owned and lost or whatever, or if it’s out of print and going for crazy prices online.

        • MoshOff

          Out of print/really old and rare is a definite pirating situation.

      • MoshOff

        I’m not going to pretend that I don’t illegally download, but I do really try to pay for music (mainly on bandcamp). The problem is, a shocking amount of stuff isn’t available for digital legal purchase, so there really is no other option when you live somewhere with no good CD stores.

        • DDubya.

          I guess I’m spoiled living here in the US.

        • Digital downloads like in Bandcamp should be a great idea here in Venezuela if only the market trust the country a little more. I wouldn’t mind pay digital downloads, at least to some mainstream artists/bands. In that way, you can still gain some cash when you aren’t in a zone with stores.

          It’s still ironic that our country can’t access freely to dollars and we still got services like Google Music or iTunes that charge all the purchases in dollars. It’s a vicious circle. Like when you’re barely graduated and in the job interviews they say that you need to have more experience in the job and you’re looking for the job to gain experience. *flip all the tables*

      • BLXKKBEXRD

        Yar har fiddlety dee?

        • DDubya.

          Do what you want cuz a pirate is free!

          Curses, you tricked me.

    • Howard Dean

      Same. I only listen to shit that I actually own, and for me, the music I own is on CD. I don’t buy digital downloads. I’m currently at about 10,000 songs (I don’t know how many in total, but that’s a fuckload of CDs).

      I blast CDs in my truck. I also rip CDs to iTunes, and load them on my iPod

  • I only listen to live recordings from faithful fans’ shit cell phones uploaded to Youtube in the lowest quality possible.

    • #That’sKult #JustKultThings

    • Howard Dean

      Shaky hand-cam footage ist krieg.

    • Hubert, Goat ov/of SATAN!!!!!

      Me too, I want to FEEL the sweaty men jumping around me when I’m listening to music.

    • Pagliacci is Kvlt/Not Mad

      I only listen live recordings of KEN Mode on YouTube, but only if the singer kicks the shit cell phone out of the faithful fan’s hand midway through the set in the lowest quality possible.

  • RustyShackleford

    All about digital shit or CDs, but if I get a CD I always put it on my iTunes/iPod. I like having MY collection. Spotify and whatnot is convenient but I prefer to have my collection, even if it’s all digital.

    • DDubya.

      I buy CDs or digital downloads of stuff I really like. Hence my use of the clean, excellent software that is Zune while at home.

      • RustyShackleford

        I’ve actually never used Zune or met anyone who has. What do you get out of it?

        • DDubya.

          I think the interface is 1000x better than iTunes, but Microsoft doesn’t update it too much anymore. I think it evolved into Microsoft Music or something. One of the things I like about it is that the Metadata is extremely easy to find and manage.

          • I notice that about Microsoft. They have these great little features that are so useful and everyone loves and then they replace them with something way shittier.

          • DDubya.

            Well, they stopped producing Zunes, so the service had to change. The software is still great.

          • RustyShackleford

            Nice. iTunes does frustrate me, but I’m sorta locked into it as a mac user haha

  • Mother Shabubu III

    I like to consume my music like I like to consume my drugs; illegally.

    JKJKJKJKJK (NSA is watching).

  • I have tried spotify multiple times and it always ends up pissing me off for one reason or another. I use Bandcamp/Amazon/fye to get my music and I play it with foobar2000 at home. For the car I use a heavenly little android app called rocket player (can’t imagine living without it at this point) to play music via Bluetooth. I usually use Bose in ear headphones because I’ve been spoiled by them and my home speakers sound awful in comparison. Oh and I prefer to buy cds if I can

    • My phone enjoys capitalizing random words

    • MoshOff

      foobar200 master race

  • Hubert, Goat ov/of SATAN!!!!!

    I have Spotify premium. That’s it really

  • FeelTheDarkness

    Vinyl or cd

  • I really envy you right now, jajajajajajajajaja…

    #ForeverVenezuela

    • you know… you’re the reason any of us know Venezuela exists, and appreciate it for that 🙂

    • Renan Ribeiro

      I feel your pain, bro. It hurts me slightly less, but still hurts

      • Right now, I’m resignated because I still have Internetz and I still enjoy a lot the music I love!! 😀 when I get more money I will try to gain a credit card to buy stuff in amazon or something like that..

  • still rockin’ the Zune HD, and will til it dies (but then i’ll just repair it)
    digital only, Bandcamp and Amazon MP3
    http://static.techspot.com/fileshost/newspics2/2009/zune-hd.jpg

    • DDubya.

      Check it out, amigo.

      • oh d00d, you’ve got the circle thingy! i started with a 30gb zune, then a 4gb, now the HD. suffice it to say, i’m a gigantic zune head. (i had to learn how to make a WinXP virtualbox in Linux to load my music and podcasts!)

      • Gurptitude

        Yaaaaaaaasss!
        I wish mine had more than 16 GB of storage…

        • DDubya.

          I’ve had this sucker for 5 years. I mostly use it for plane rides or if I’m road-tripping alone (which is rare now).

          • Gurptitude

            If you get one of those auxiliary ports for your car stereo it gets sooooo much more valuable.

    • Howard Dean

      When my iPod classic dies, I don’t know what I’m going to do. I can’t believe they discontinued them. I don’t get it.

      • BLXKKBEXRD

        Same. I still have a 30GB ipod classic bought when I was in college (its over 10 years old!).

        You can’t even get an ipod with that capacity anymore, I dont think. So much fluff on their products now.

        • Howard Dean

          I have the 160GB classic. They stopped making anything over 16GB, I believe, which is fucked. The whole reason I got a 160GB classic was because I ran out of space on my 16GB iPod touch.

          • DDubya.

            The downsizing of available space is annoying. I honestly think MP3 devices are going to sadly go away altogether.

          • BLXKKBEXRD

            It really doesn’t make sense. Is there so much bloatware in the OS that it takes up that much space? Or is it that the things are so fucking cheaply made that they dont want to spend the money putting in a decent sized harddrive (a la 10 years ago). My guess is the latter.

          • I really don’t understand why Apple hasn’t added an option for removable storage.

          • BLXKKBEXRD

            Size would be my guess, Jack. That and . . . well, back to money again. Also the stupidity of its userbase

          • Howard Dean

            That would suck. For those who have invested serious time and money into collecting physical media and ripping it to a computer (or who have purchased lots of mp3s), that will be a swift kick in the nuts. “Oh, you’ve spent over $15,000 dollars collecting music? Want to listen to it while you workout? Here, buy this subscription based service! We have most of what you want! And if you don’t have internet service, go fuck yourself!”

          • Renan Ribeiro

            This is the main problem with streaming. If you have spotify plus or pro or whatever they call their paid service you can actually listen to some stuff online, but using the actual files makes a lot more sense when you don’t have a great internet service. It’s just easier.

          • shouldn’t that be attributed to moving platter storage –> solid state?

          • DDubya.

            could very well be. That and people wanting to have everything in one device. Seems like digital cameras, at least point-and-click ones, are being phased out too.

      • Use your phone, I haven’t used my iPod for a year now since switching and I won’t any time soon.

        • Tyree

          Some peoples don’t have smart phones dude.

          • Guacamole Jim

            Plebs

          • Gurptitude

            *raises hand*

          • I feel bad for some people then

          • Tyree

            Thanks.

          • How come you don’t have one?

          • Guacamole Jim

            I’ve got one, and wish I didn’t. It was such a waste of time and money.

          • I would go insane at this security job without one lol.

          • Tyree keeps a burner on hand. No time for candy crush when you’re hustling.

          • Tyree

            I’m not smart enough. Plus I don’t want to pay for a goddamn data plan.

          • Scrimm

            I pay 65 a month.

          • Nordling Rites ov Kahlua

            Man, that’s bad. I have a smarts and dataplannerscanner and everything. For 20 a month.

          • Word of the day

          • Scrimm

            It’s cheap here.

          • Nordling Rites ov Kahlua

            Sorry, now THAT is bad.
            (That the first bad wasn’t actually bad, when it clearly should be)

          • DDubya.

            Data plans are a freaking racket, man.

          • Tyree

            You ain’t kidding mang. I have a computer for internets. I don’t need it on my phone.

          • DDubya.

            Some days I ponder going back. I do really have to check my email constantly though because of work :/

          • Tyree

            Dose your work not pay for your phone?

          • DDubya.

            Absolutely not, haha. Universities are cheap.

          • Tyree

            Boooooo

          • BLXKKBEXRD

            My job just gave me a Galaxy Note III for work. I was amerzed.

          • That’s what i have. Or maybe is note 2

          • BLXKKBEXRD

            My personal phone is a Blackberry Z10

          • MoshOff

            A teacher of mine who’s “in the know” recently told me that phone operators are currently more than capable of delivering unlimited data plans for all their users, they just want to milk the cash cow for a few more years.

          • Oh, I’m sure they are, they just throttle you for extra money. Same thing with internet providers here in the US.

          • MoshOff

            Don’t even get me started on Comcast. UGH.

          • Google Fiber is starting to set up in my neighborhood and it’s causing the cable/internet providers here to lose their shit. I just got a free upgrade from my current 30 mb/s to 100 mb/s because they’re so afraid of losing customers. I’m not complaining.

          • BLXKKBEXRD

            That’s pretty tits, Ann.

            We currently use AT&T for service (@ around 22mbs down), which is more than enough, generally. Even gaming. If we had a good fiber option like that, I’d take it. I hear google is going real cheap with their service prices.

          • MoshOff

            What speed is Google Fiber offering?

          • Google Fiber has 1 GB/s, which is roughly 10 times faster than the upgrade I’m going to have, and they charge just $5-10 more than what I’m paying now.

          • MoshOff

            I would jump all over that like David Lee Roth. Damn, I don’t think I’ll see a 1 Gbps offer in Spain for like another 10 years.

          • I have no need for a smart phone, i’m riding this LG piece of shit I currently own until death.

          • Tyree
          • Exactly

            GL

        • Howard Dean

          I just don’t like the idea. I don’t even know if I can put my entire collection on a phone, and even if I did, how much would it affect the performance of the phone? My battery dies fast enough as it is now. I don’t want/need my phone to do everything. I prefer a standalone device devoted to music.

          • I got an sd card specifically for music. My battery doesn’t seem too affected by music. I totally see where you’re coming from though. Would have never considered it with my previous phone.

          • Howard Dean

            I’m sure technology will catch up, and it’ll be a piece of cake at some point to put one’s entire library on a phone/device. In the mean time, though, I’m like a scared elderly person.

          • Guacamole Jim

            You can get the google play music thing, upload your entire library, and then stream it all from your phone. Not identical, but works the same as long as you have internet.

          • Howard Dean

            That’s the thing that bothers me. Needing to have service/internet connection to enjoy a collection you already own.

          • This is my biggest issue with spotify. What happens if they go under? Do I just lose all “my” music?

          • MoshOff

            Those feels HD, those feels. Also, the thought of having to rely on an internet connection to listen to music and for some reason not being able to keeps me up at night.

          • Lol honestly the biggest reason I switched was the shuffle mode on the iPod always preferred a select 5 or so bands and those bands are ruined for me because of it.

          • GoatForest
          • Akercocke ov Steele

            Especially with all of the music we all have. Apple seems to think everybody only listens to the usual top 10. (Kvlt powers activate).

        • zune/ipod battery life >>>>>>>>>>> smart phone battery life

          • My phone lasts all day lol

          • my flip phone battery lasts 6 full days. byahh!!!!!

            GL

          • Howard Dean

            Hah! I remember when I had the Motorola Razer. I think I only needed to charge that thing once a week.

          • Man, I was that one fucking dork in the group that didn’t have a Razr. It was tough. Thanks for opening old wounds.

          • I feel your pain. I think I had a brick phone when everyone had shiny new razrs

          • Howard Dean

            I was the dude that didn’t have a cell phone until I was a sophomore in college, and didn’t have a smart phone until like last year, so I feel your pain.

            Razers were actually pretty good phones. They were hyped like a motherfucker, but I think they lived up to it. I never a problem with mine.

          • Akercocke ov Steele

            Exactly so FUCK APPLE THOSE IPOD KILLERS

        • Lacertilian

          I got an old ass Nokia N8 when smart phones were just kicking up here, it has an FM transmitter inbuilt.
          Took me a while to discover I can play my music/playlists like a radio through the work truck on any station I choose.
          Good for over-riding people’s shitty radio stations with tech.

      • Tyree

        Dude, I have one too, and if it dies I die.

      • Guacamole Jim

        I still rock it every day on the way to and from work.

      • I was pissed the day mine died. Waited a couple weeks to get a new one cause it was holiday season and the wife wanted to buy me one. That was a miserable few weeks.

      • Max

        What I don’t get is that not only did they discontinue the line, they actually destroyed all existing stock. There is no justification for that which doesn’t illuminate how retarded capitalism can be at times.

        • Howard Dean

          Wow. That is just fucked. They ought to be kicked in the proverbial balls for a move like that.

        • Akercocke ov Steele

          Oh lord, I thought they were at least letting people buy them out.

          • Max

            Nope. That’s why second-hand ones are now fetching big prices on E-bay, I’ve read.

          • Akercocke ov Steele

            Jesus, ya know being able to get a fresh new one before everyone wow go actually owned an iPod wg massively inconvenienced would have been nice.

          • Max

            The hell of it is, I only bought my Classic a couple of years ago (I’m a very, very late adapter with all consumer technology), which is probably about the same time Apple were making plans to ditch it. If I had known, I’d have gladly bought up a few of them just to be able to have the same type of portable player at my disposal for decades to come, instead of having to investigate new options – all of which are probably hostile to the concept of circa-160 GB-type storage, or indeed any hard-drive storage at all, now that the Cloud is all the rage.

            Instead, I’ve got one i-Pod Classic which I suspect is already starting to suffer from battery inefficiency, as I’m told they do when they age. And you don’t wanna drop the fuckers, either.

          • Akercocke ov Steele

            Tell me about it. Mine is alreading losing more charge than I initially thought it would. And yeah, they don’t really have anything else that might be as convenient for the amount of space I myself need. And I’m gonna be on the move alot in the future which really sucks. Still can’t believe they’d just destroy all of those new classics as opposed to just selling them off. This may be my one and only shameless first world problem cuz fuck it, I loved the damn things.

          • Max

            Here’s an article I found which kind of describes the how and why of what happened last year: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/dec/06/ipod-classic-apple-fans-scramble-for-last-gadgets (Be sure to scan the comment section too, if you’re interested in this stuff.)

            …but it doesn’t actually talk about the existing stockpile of Classics being junked instead of sold off. I can’t seem to find a reference for that anywhere but I’m sure I read it at the time. I’d like to confirm it because for me, that is the truly weird part.

          • Akercocke ov Steele

            Yeah I hope that’s just rumour.

          • Akercocke ov Steele

            Also one more thing. I don’t see the great convenience of having all of your music also on your phone, maybe I may get really annoyed if the song I’m listening to get’s interrupted from somebody calling. And second it, to me and like others have said, means only one thing: music+texts/calls on one device=battery sucking. It’s kinda one of those “Don’t shit where you sleep” type things. But issue is, Apple is really good at making the best products and then saying “well that was a good product for a year or so, now fuck off and buy so etching of ours we feel is more convenient.”

      • old_man_doom

        I have one that bit the dust and it’s just sitting around now. Its glory days are over…

        • Howard Dean

          I will pour one out in its memory. RIP.

      • Akercocke ov Steele

        Dude, for 2 days straight after I heard that I was so fucking angry for about 2 days. I have been using 160 gb Classics for years and never have I found anything else to be as robust, or convenient. I’m sorry but fuck putting all 110 gb (rough estimate) of music I got on my damn phone, where not only is there not gonna be enough room but the battery is gonna drop like a Led Balloon. Of course everyone tells me “but you don’t need 160gb of music” Yeah well…

        • Howard Dean

          Felt the same way. It’s not that anyone “needs” 160GB of music at any one moment, it’s that having the opportunity to choose anything you want from your collection at any time is so damn convenient. I don’t want to have to fuss around with iTunes to adjust what I put on my iPod. Fuck that.

          • Akercocke ov Steele

            Exactly, and I know I can happily put just about everything and anything on without immediately worrying about space.

      • PhoenixKing Leonhart

        Yet another reason why Apple fails.

    • Gurptitude

      Holy shit, I’m not the only one.

      • DDubya.

        Check my pic below, Gurpenstein!

    • I had a 80 Gb Zune and a Zune HD (32 Gb) a while back. They were great from a hardware-perspective. Microsoft just half-assed their support (how the hell do you only market a player in North America and expect to be an “iPod Killer?”) and the software was really janky IMO.

      They both worked and sounded great though. Eventually I got rid of them and got iDevices for better support and actually having some damned apps.

      • COMPLETELY! although i vote that the Zune software staples the iPod software’s nuts to its thigh. i remember about 6 years ago, hoping that some audio company would build a Zune-integrated receiver for cars!!!

    • Herr Schmitty

      Daaaaaaamn, I had a zune, and it died some years back. I dug it, though; had a coworker that had one too that used to send me his band’s tracks with the share feature, he was in a vegan metal band that sang about how meat = murder and coats = genocide, shit was cray!

      • OH YEAH, that share feature! you could keep a shared song for like 30 days (?)… but my buddy found out that if you changed the genre to “uncategorized” or something, you could keep it

        • Herr Schmitty

          I WISH I HAD KNOWN THAT, I woulda kept all his stuff!

  • Black Vomit

    All formats, physical only.

  • Tyree

    I recently made the mistake of collecting vinyl. I can’t stop buying records, I have a problem I think flushers.

    My home speaker system fucking slays though, that’s where I enjoy listening to music the most. Plus the beer fridge is very close by 😉

    • i used to smoke weed, and records always went best with that

      • Scrimm

        It still does.

      • Lacertilian

        my ritual when I get a new CD (if I’m really looking forward to it) now is to eat a brownie, get vaped, pour up a large beer or margarita and listen through my old turtle beach gaming headset on the PS3.

    • I think about how much time and money I’ve spent on my set up and vinyl and get a little sick.

      • Tyree

        I don’t want to even start to think about it. I may spew.

        http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6va8vl6SB1rarteio1_500.gif

        • Renan Ribeiro

          I can assure you that if you looked at my Pokerstars balance you would feel a lot better.

          • Holy shit pokerstars, blast from the past

          • Renan Ribeiro

            It sucks that online poker got banned in the US. It sucked even harder when I lived in Murica because I was 20 for the greater duration of that year and although I was served drinks anywhere I went to (thanks to my wrinkly face) I had to wait ’till I was 21 to play live poker.

      • Scrimm

        That’s how I feel about my cd’s ans especially my bands rehearsal space. I you count stuff like food, gas, and 90 packs of beer, It’s got to be close to 50 grand between the main bandmembers over the years.

        • Holy shit dude. That’s mucho filthy lucre.

          • Scrimm

            It’s pretty staggering, but thats over 8+ years, 350-400 a month, plus everything else.

        • Tyree

          Beer is another one. So much money spent on beer!

          • Scrimm

            I said that. 90 packs of beer. We didn’t fuck around, though it’s nowhere near that level of drinking now.

          • Tyree
          • Scrimm

            Always. I just prefer a few good ones to 10 or 12 shitty ones now.

          • I can’t even fathom how much I spent on at home alcohol, bar tabs and money spent on dubs of kush over a 10 year period. *gets down on my knees and screams to the icy heavens*

          • Scrimm

            Exactly and the party atmosphere at our studio made it even worse. Not to mention tobacco.

          • Damn, almost forgot about cigs. I quit for 11 1/2 years then started up again a couple of years ago. Oh, how I kick myself in the ass thinking of the money I spent on all that whenever I’m broke.

          • Scrimm

            Yep. I quit 2 1/2 years ago so at least there is that.

          • Scrimm

            Also other things…

        • JamesGrimm

          with our equipment being stolen once, I’d say its about 50 to 65 for us.

          • Scrimm

            Shit it was never en masse, but I had two guitars dissapear on me too. I imagine that shit is so discouraging.

          • JamesGrimm

            28 thousand and we didnt even lose everything. one of our drummer cymbals was a rare 80’s press that cost like 3 to 4 thousand alone.

      • I never ever want to know how much I’ve spent on Bandcamp

    • Janitor Jim Dvggan Svre Wovld

      I collect vinyl. I have for a few years now. I don’t want to know how much I’ve spent on vinyl, video games and other things.

  • I still buy cds. Listen to them in the car. Use an iPod at the gym. Don’t own a record player.

  • Renan Ribeiro

    As much as I’d like to enter the vynil game, I can’t for geographical/economical reasons. I used be big on CD collecting but most of the cool record stores close when I was about 18 years old, so I can’t find good stuff anymore.

    These days I listen to digital media either by streaming or playing directly from my hard drive. Whenever I can I like to download stuff because I do a lot of music listening in my car, and mobile internet services here are a joke, so I transfer the files to my phone and hook it up to the car.

    Also, traffic here is bad during peak moments, coupled with reasonable distances allows me to listen to whole albums while driving, even if it’s half on the way to a hospital or to my school, half on the way back.

    • *ugly beak feeling bird attacks: it’s super effective*

      • Renan Ribeiro

        Oh no, Renan has fallen!

        • It’s pretty interesting. It seems that Colombia it’s the only place in South América that can have record stores ._.) my best friend went there one time in vacations and gave me a Megadeth DVD for gift.. #BestFriendsForever

          • Renan Ribeiro

            In São Paulo, Brasil you can find great record stores. They have this place called Galeria do Rock with tons of stores. Just not in my city, it’s becoming increasingly harder to find good physical media.

          • Here in my city there’s two record stores that sells some mainstream stuff. I wanted an Iron Maiden album. But that’s like the half of my salary to buy an album!jkajkakajkajkaj..

            I think that the worst part of the economy here isn’t the low storage, but the inflation.. It’s huuuge

  • BLXKKBEXRD

    You can’t rip a vinyl to lossless and get a vinyl sound. At that point you are going from Analog > Digital. Any time you take that signal from analog to digital, you lose the essence of the vinyl recording. That’s why you dont get it.

    I, myself, consume mostly thru mp3 to the front-of-house speakers (2.1) or the 5.1 rear-house stereo. Both have their advantages/disadvantages. We usually only break out the vinyl during tabletop/gaming sessions. Otherwise they sit on display.

    • MoshOff

      I guess a lot of the “warmth” comes from the noise… we will never know.

      • BLXKKBEXRD

        The “warmth” comes from the RMS difference between the two formats. Its real. The problem nowadays is that, rather than make two masters dedicated to separate formats, cheap ass companies are using the same digital/cd master to press the vinyls, totally defeating the purpose.

        • root mean square?

          • BLXKKBEXRD

            Yeap

        • MoshOff

          That’s the problem I was trying to illustrate but might of not conveyed so well: most vinyl masters nowadays are the same as their CD counterparts, so most newer vinyl really can’t sound any better than CD. There are exceptions obviously.

          • BLXKKBEXRD

            There are still some reputable labels putting out separate vinyl masters. The Lantlos vinyl we got sounds AMAZING. The YAITW vinyl I picked up sounds quiet (because its the regular master). Not that they sound bad, they just dont have the same analog quality .

          • DDubya.

            I sort of like the cracks and pops of vinyl. Adds to the experience for me.

          • BLXKKBEXRD

            Indeed. If its cracking or popping too much you may want to make sure your needle is still good and your vinyls are clean =P

          • DDubya.

            I haven’t noticed an excessive amount, but I shall keep an open ear for it.

          • MoshOff

            It might be because they drilled it into my brain at school (noise is the “enemy” of the telecommunications engineer), but it’s exactly the opposite for me. Cracks & pops make me a sad panda.

          • Same. On CD or MP3, it sounds fucking terrible though.

          • DDubya.

            Also true.

        • MoshOff

          Also that’s why I love HDTracks, a lot of their material is sourced from more dynamic masters and sounds AMAZING while still being 100% digital.

          • Howard Dean Tracks? BYAH!

            JJM

          • BLXKKBEXRD

            He put out a vinyl last year thats 60 minutes of “BYAH”s

          • Some are / some aren’t.

            Some are exactly the same DR level as the squashed CD…only with the added convenience of magic numbers like “24/192!”

          • MoshOff

            I know, and it sucks. That’s why I always check here before buying anything:

            http://dr.loudness-war.info/

    • I’m a huge lover of vinyl LPs but I find it very confusing when people say that there’s some difference between analog and digital.

      I think digitization is more than capable of capturing the sound of vinyl…more so than recording it to tape can. In fact the old analog way of reproduction and mixing in the studio was far less accurate due to generational loss from going from one tape to another. In the digital domain there is no such loss and the sound is truer to the source.

      • BLXKKBEXRD

        Well, hopefully there isn’t much generational loss to a vinyl LP. Essentially you should be going from the master to the pressing. Not from a pressing to a pressing. I’m sure that’s not always the case.

        The difference between analog and digital is most definitely existent, though. As MoshOff and I were saying, the (what should be) analog LP pressing has a lower RMS, lower compression, and greater dynamic ranges.

        To put a digital master into analog format, or vice versa, completely changes the sound of the album played thru that specific medium for that specific purpose.

        • Check out some of these videos when you have some extra time. They helped me understand digital audio a little better. http://xiph.org/video/

          • BLXKKBEXRD

            While I’ll ignore the slight, watching these currently, I’m curious as to what you want me to glean from them?

          • That digital audio doesn’t sound any different from a needle in a groove (other than the artifacts and inaccuracies of that method) or magnetic pulses from a tape.

            It’s all analog in the end. I wasn’t trying to be condescending, I hear a difference between my TT and my CD player but that’s the equipment rather than the source. If I digitize a record with the same equipment I would never pass a blind test trying to distinguish the record from, say, a DVD-A created from the record.

          • BLXKKBEXRD

            What I was trying to say was the difference in format is what creates the difference in sound, which is essentially what you just said.

          • Ok.

            …but I was originally confused when you originally said “You can’t rip a vinyl to lossless and get a vinyl sound…” and some of what followed.

            I’m confident that the “vinyl sound” can be faithfully captured by a digitization. For exampe: when I do needledrops I’m going from my TT (a modded Technics SL 1200 with a Denon DL-110 cart) to a analog-to-digital interface and it’s captured at 24/96. When I burn that to a DVD-Audio and play it on the same system it sounds exactly like the record. Maybe better if I cleaned up some ticks and pops in iZotope.

          • BLXKKBEXRD

            I completely understand that one frequency sounds the same no matter the medium.

            What i’m saying is limitations between the LP (which i used the misnomer “analog”) and CD (misnomer “digital”), are inherent to the format. The vinyl master should be different from the cd/digital master.

            I’m still not 100% convinced that the conversion doesn’t lose some of the data, even claims of it being lossless.

          • In theory if the sampling rate isn’t high enough you could lose some high frequency content that may be present on the vinyl. …but I’d submit that it’s content that even your pets won’t hear…and most cartridges (my expensive assed one included) don’t faithfully reproduce such frequencies either.

            Sorry if I offended you earlier. It’s hard for me to type stuff while making dinner and not sound like an asshole at times (especially considering I am an asshole haha.)

            Vinyl masters can be dedicated (done separately by the engineer at the mix/mastering stage) or the engineer cutting the vinyl can EQ and adapt it to the format. I’m guessing, but these days I think it’s usually done (for better or worse) the latter way.

          • BLXKKBEXRD

            It was my fault for saying something I knew to be not the whole truth, I’ve been doing a lot of misleading today.

            I’m still not going to rip my vinyls to mp3 or FLAC.

          • I would never rip records to a lossy format like mp3 either. In fact I prefer listening to the records as they are on my TT for that matter.

          • BLXKKBEXRD

            You make me need beer.

          • I like beer…

          • BLXKKBEXRD

            You can has some. You earned it.

            We got the mix pack of Stone. Black IPA, Ruination, and uhmmm i’m too lazy to look in the fridge.

          • Lacertilian

            MORTAL KOMHAT!

          • winner!

          • Lacertilian

            Side Note: Got around to listening to Stargazer. Surprised I hadn’t heard much about them before you mentioned them, considering they’re from (r)Adelaide.

          • and? and? what’d you think? yeah fame isn’t their thing.

          • Lacertilian

            I heard this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8DgRioPRBk
            I liked it, lots of cool dynamics, the bass was prominent too.

          • PhoenixKing Leonhart recommended this one to me (i had just forgotten about it) and it’s pretty trill:

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlW2BwpSjaE

          • Lacertilian

            Ok, I’ll listen to that now.

            Alternative time passing method for you:
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Xg9EyzB9Mo

          • KJM

            Mmmm, 24/96…(drool)

      • KJM

        I have lots of vinyl sourced wav and flac that sounds great. It’s all 24-bit so that helps.

        • I’m not trying to encourage you to dither it down to 16 but bit depth is really only about the noise floor. The digital noise floor (which if you ever hear it sounds almost exactly like tape hiss) at 16 bits is far lower than the noise floor on any vinyl record.

          I guess what I’m saying is that 16 bits should be enough but I’m kind of a hypocrite since I just leave it at 24 as well. May as well.

          • Max

            Actually I’m not so sure about that these days.

            I recently did an experiment: 100 Hz sine wave generated in the digital domain at about -40 dBFS in a 24-bit file. And then done so again in a 16-bit file without dither. And then done so again in a 16-bit file with dither.

            Then, turn the monitor gain up by about 40 dB to make it the same volume as whatever you’d usually listen to when you’re not enjoying the thrill of auditioning low-level sine waves.

            What I found was: the 24-bit file sounded like a 100 Hz sine wave. The 16-bit undithered sounded like a 100 Hz sine wave with just a PINCH of quantization distortion on it. The 16-bit dithered sounded like a 100 Hz sine wave with a pinch of tape hiss.

            All as expected. But it did surprise me that I only had to go 40 dB below Full Scale to hear it – I was expecting more like -80 dB or something; in fact that was the level I’d started the experiment at and naturally it was a lot more obvious there. (I was trying to see how high up I could go before not being able to notice the artifact anymore.)

            Now, -40 dBFS is still a long way down. As you say, most analogue formats probably contribute more surface noise than that; and very rarely does anybody crank their system up by that much in normal circumstances. And it’s always going to be easier to hear imperfections on a steady pure tone than on more complex musical waveforms. But bear in mind, I’ve got classical CDs where the music does meander around down at that level from time to time. So maybe you’re not being a hypocrite to prefer 24-bit delivery at all.

          • That’s pretty damned interesting. Thanks for taking the time to share your observations.

            I’ll bet your ears are WAY better than mine, Max 🙂 (I’m almost forty-one…I doubt I can hear half the shit I used to.)

          • Max

            I’ll bet you can hear just as much as I can, JAG. I’m almost forty, and you’re a discerning listener. 🙂

          • KJM

            When it comes to 24-bit stuff, someone else has already done the work for me so it doesn’t matter.

  • Gurptitude

    When it comes to physical media I only buy CD’s. I don’t have a turntable or the space for vinyl. Digitally, I really only do MP3s. Reasons are twofold: I don’t have the storage space on my laptop’s hard drive to keep large amounts of FLAC, and my MP3 player is incompatible with FLAC (I should really get a new one).

    Also I’m never employed long enough to make a long-term Spotify subscription viable so…

  • Tape trading is my prefered method

  • Akercocke ov Steele

    I love CDs but only for longer or multiple drives. I still put on my iPod during short drives. I have no vinyl so I usually listen at my buddies place. My ipod is still my baby though. On the go or on my bike, iPod+earbuds=kvlt. I still get physical copies of albums though.

    • I rapidly ran out of available space on my iPod after the toilet started

  • Nordling Rites ov Kahlua

    A question for Quack Jimbob. What if the Vinyls and the Cdz had different masters.

    • BLXKKBEXRD

      Addressed this further down, Bear

      • Nordling Rites ov Kahlua

        Very well. I shall scroll.

        • BLXKKBEXRD

          I actually misled you, mr bear. Was referring to the same topic which moshoff and I were discussing. Apologies.

    • Guacamole Jim

      Then probably CD, because I love the clarity of sound you get on a CD, plus the convenience of the small size. But sometimes I just crave vinyl.. so it’s a slim margin.

  • Almost all digital, mostly because I can get the songs I like, it’s in my budget, and so I can put it in my MP3 player for when I’m out and about.

  • I’m Ipod touch all the way. Headphones at work, through the speakers in the car and Mac speakers at home. Posting this from the Ipod.

  • KJM

    Vinyl>CD>Wav/FLAC

    • Technically speaking a secure FLAC rip of a CD can be more accurate than the source. …due to the error – correction employed in CDDA playback. Not that shit like jitter and interpolation is even audible.

      • mind=blown (not being sarcastic)

        • Well it’s really just for the sake of argument. CD’s error correction is good enough to be transparent. The only time one should hear errors is if the disc itself us physically fucked up.

          Secure rippers cab verify your rip against other like CDs submitted to the AccurareRip database and guarantee your rip is perfect.

          Since you use Linux check into a secure ripper called Morituri. Tou could run the far more common and accepted EAC under WINE too. I use XLD for Macintosh. I actually authored a setup guide for the XLA (the development is Japanese ) but I’m not familiar with Morituri. I onlyy mess around in Linux occasionally to maintain basic skills.

          • i don’t care enough to investigate something like that, for 192kbps MP3 is sufficient for me (plus i own not a single optical drive — cept my PS3). i just love the discussion about this stuff. i once worked with an engineer who thought he needed to purchase rubberized pads to put underneath the legs of his CD player to cancel out vibrations of the motor spinning. i also took a class on audio and loved hearing about the analog / digital conversion, i.e. 16-bit CD-ROM audio.

          • That engineer is a typical audiophool.

            I usually can’t hear the difference between an MP3 at 192 Kbps (encoded with LAME) and a lossless source. Even when I’m trying my ass off with headphones.

          • Max

            You can do a null test – it’s illuminating how much does actually get subtracted. But let’s face it; that’s cheating.

    • BLXKKBEXRD

      Wav? Srsly KJ?

      • KJM

        Sure. It sounds just as good as CD and I have more than enough space on my hdd.

        • BLXKKBEXRD

          I donno man, gimmie a 320kbp rip any day. When you have > 4TB of music already, FLAC and other large formats start to get ridiculous.

          • KJM

            I don’t have anywhere near that much music on my hdd. I just keep what I’m currently listening to readily available. I also don’t do portable music anymore so that’s not a problem.

          • FLAC is far more efficient though and has a more robust and uniform way of keeping metadata.

            Think of it this way: it’s like your wav files were zipped. The “.zip” file is decompressed when you play it back and what you have is your exact wav file when decoded for playback. It’s a lossless process. (Every one and zero from your .wav file is encoded and decoded without error.) FLAC files generally take up ~60% of the space that the uncompressed .wav file does.

          • KJM

            I only rip cd’s to wav, and then it’s only what I’m currently listening to at the time. The live music(usually DAT source or something similar) I collect is on FLAC and stays that way.

  • Spear

    Since my broke ass can’t afford a decent home sound system, I get CD’s. The majority of my listening is done either through my car’s CD player or on my iPod at work. Come to think of it, this is probably why I’m so behind on new music.

  • frozengoatsheadupanunsarse

    I almost solely use my Discman and the wee earbud headphones that came with it. Sure its not an ideal set up but the headphones have lasted a remarkable three years and counting and CD’s sound offputtingly off on my computer, I think I must have gotten drunk and messed with the audio settings sometime. Plan to get a hi fi at some stage, but less of a priority than just getting more good music at the moment.

  • Jointsalot

    I still go with CDs and the occasional record. I always prefer having the physical media. I still like it when a band actually puts in a bit of effort into the album art and booklet. I get a bit disappointed when they don’t

  • KJM

    Off Topic: Any Venture Bros fans in the house?

    • DDubya.

      Aye

      • KJM

        Didja see the latest episode this past Monday?

        • DDubya.

          I don’t have cable anymore, so I haven’t seen any episodes in a while.

          • KJM

            Well this is the first one since 2013. See it any way you can, but only if you’ve seen up to Season 5.

          • DDubya.

            Roger that!

          • KJM

            Season 6 will be coming soon as well.

    • stopped after season 2. did i done goofed?

      • KJM

        I think so. It’s only gotten better from there. I just noticed youtube has a Venture Bros channel that has all of them including last Monday’s

  • The Satan Ov Hell

    I pirate, I buy cds, I buy vinyl, I even get tapes, I stream, I see it live.

    • MoshOff
      • The Satan Ov Hell

        I wish I could play my music live, it’s all ambient that would never work in a live setting

        • MoshOff

          O’Reilly doesn’t work in a live setting, and look at him.

          You can do it, we believe in you!!

          • The Satan Ov Hell

            It’s time for the world to experience live ambient spoken word based off of phone calls left by serial rapists!

            https://soundcloud.com/irrakurbm/last-phonecall

          • BLXKKBEXRD

            Das spooky

          • The Satan Ov Hell

            I love making spookbient

          • CyberneticOrganism

            3spooky5me

  • CyberneticOrganism

    Bandcamp streaming & purchases wherever possible, iTunes for the rest (although iTunes has been a cunt lately and skips newly imported songs a minute or so into playing them).

    • Guacamole Jim

      Yeah!! What the hell is with that??

      • CyberneticOrganism

        You too?! Fucking hell it’s infuriating, apparently there’s no fix or solution at the moment that works, we all have to wait until they update iTunes. Which, of course, never happens when you actually need it.

        • Guacamole Jim

          Damn.. sounds about right. I updated my computer once, and all my hardware/software for music stopped working. It took them four months to come out with another update to fix it.

  • Janitor Jim Dvggan Svre Wovld

    Vinyl, CD, MP3 and Cassette are my primary ways of consuming music. I love physical media.

  • Warheart

    I used to buy a lot of CD’s, vinyls and cassettes. Now, having lost faith in humanity, I just pirate everything, except for independent bands. For newer albums, I search AAC if possible, but almost always things are found as MP3 320 CBR. if and when I find a killer album, like say, Pale Communion, I just get the FLAC, BTW, that album provides a weird spectral analysis, but it’s a masterpiece of audio engineering.

    Years ago, I ripped my old CD’s to MP3 320 CBR, but now I re ripped to FLAC (though now I’m thinking of Opus for music I don’t care enough to keep it FLAC), and I have AAC lossy versions for my ipod touch, which I love for the flat response AND the interface, if FiiO could do something with a nicely touch interface I’d throw my Ipod through the window. However, most of the time I listen music in my laptop.

  • For me, I listen to mostly digital recordings but I buy a ton of CDs because I like having the physical artwork n’ shit. I keep about five “emergency” albums in my car of my all time favorite albums (I.E. Death’s entire discography). I use a 160gb iPod classic. It can contain about 1/8 of the music I’ve bought or got for pay your own price on bandcamp.

    • Howard Dean

      Wait… you’ve purchased (in CD form or digital purchase) over 300,000 songs? (that’s a rough calculation based on 160GB classic averages)

      • Nah. I download .FLAC whenever I can. Most of my library is high quality as far as bitrate goes. I have around ~1600 albums total. Some were downloaded for free (I’ve got a lot of ambient shit on there) and just about every single one of my heavy metal albums were given to me by my uncle who didn’t want them anymore (he had a ton of Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, ect.). There were about 200 CDs from him. Some of these albums also include shit that I download illegally to see if I like or not. I won’t spend money on music unless I know I like it. If it turns out I like it, I delete the pirated music and buy it from the band (assuming that it is possible to do so). I have around 50 albums that I cannot get anywhere legally. These are typically from obscure old school death metal bands that only made 50 copies of their debut demo. If I had to estimate how much I’ve spent on music, I’d say it was more in the range of $10,000-$12,000. Pretty much all my money I earn from tutoring goes into it.

      • Also, I’m apparently really bad at estimating. I actually went and looked to see if I only had 1/8 of my music on my iPod. I actually have over half of it. I was basing my original calculation on just the number of bands and not albums. I have a lot of bands with just a demo which I’ve not yet listened to (mostly thanks to Tyree and his BandCamp series).

  • JWG

    I look for a CD first. If it’s too hard to get or too expensive (or both), I’ll check bandcamp next. If I must, then, I’ll go to iTunes.

    I would like to add vinyl to that list sooner or later (almost did, but then I invested in a GIC instead). When I do it will probably figure before or after CD on the order of priorities, because I vastly prefer physical ownership to just having a digital file.

    Spotify Canada still kind of sucks, and because it does I’ve never bothered to learn how to properly use the software. Streaming without personal ownership of the tunes in some format just doesn’t appeal, though, except as a method for previewing stuff I’d then put on a list of CDs to look out for. Full circle.

  • Zing Once A Day…
  • KJM

    Surfing through Bandcamp…

    I didn’t press stop within 1-2 minutes on this one, perhaps it’s good.

    https://bandapesta.bandcamp.com/album/here-she-comes

    • BLXKKBEXRD

      From Brasil? I like it. I almost wish the vocals were en espanol though.

      • KJM

        Yep, what’s sounds good in Spanish or Portuguese doesn’t always cross over to English well.

        • BLXKKBEXRD

          The newest blind guardian leaked though. Speaking of “consuming music” (i.e. keeping us on topic). I wish I had the opportunity to see them again, them coming here was probably a fluke.

          Its so good (suck it, Lamest Tapir)
          http://youtu.be/KjUlCTKyD-U

  • KJM

    This was recorded “live in Tom’s bedroom”, but it sure doesn’t sound like it.
    https://howlinggiant.bandcamp.com/album/howling-giant-ep

  • BLXKKBEXRD

    OTconsumptions: Finishing New Spring, the prequel to the Wheel of Time series, here soon. Next on this year’s book list, I’ll be receiving Robin Hobb’s first two installments of The Farseer trilogy. What are you reading?

  • KJM

    sum moar Sabbath/Electric Wizard worship

    https://widowandchildren.bandcamp.com/album/volume-i

    • Janitor Jim Dvggan Svre Wovld

      Yay! I love Sabbath and Electric Wizard!

      • KJM

        Then check it out. It’s ok.

        • Janitor Jim Dvggan Svre Wovld

          I checked it out. I liked it a lot.

  • KJM
  • KJM
  • Max

    I can’t see myself moving beyond CD unless record companies/artists stop manufacturing them altogether. That of course will eventually happen but I’ll probably be either dead, senile or deaf by then; so I expect my CD collection to last my lifetime. It’s a much more persistent format than people are currently giving it credit for – even if some personal computers are no longer featuring CD/DVD/Blu-Ray drives, I don’t see the existing technology going out of service or manufacture for a long time to come – unlike, say DAT or Laser Disc. It is, of course, an expensive and wasteful petroleum product; but then so is vinyl.

    What got me to this point is frustration with analogue media. As an oldie I have NO good memories of cassette tape or reel-to-reel, and few good memories of vinyl besides the fact that it does admittedly look cooler than any other format. I relinquished the last of my vinyl in 2014 once I’d secured all the CD replacements (usually with bonus material).

    What’s keeping me at this point are two things:

    1) No lossless digital file format has yet won out; even if it’s looking like .flac will be the victor, my i-Pod doesn’t play .flacs. I’m not sure what portable player I’ll move to when my Classic dies; hopefully it’ll accommodate all the Apple Lossless files my collection is ripped to. If not, and I can’t covert them to whatever it does accept – well, that’s why I held onto my physical collection. Redoing it all is gonna be tedious, though.

    2) I’m not remotely interested in subscription services. Your record collection is part of your identity, like your clothes or your car. Do you rent your clothes? Me neither. Music subscription has its merits in theory, but in the context of the world today it’s nothing more than another form of data-mining. Plus I’m just waiting for the day when somebody loses all their rare shit because of some silly credit confusion or company merger.

    I like my i-Pod but I don’t love it, and I certainly don’t love i-Tunes. I still don’t have a smart ‘phone and plan on resisting them for as long as I can. My car still has a CD player and it doesn’t have an Aux input. So for the foreseeable, I’m a CD guy.

    • Howard Dean

      Max you just thoroughly described almost my exact feelings.

  • I pirate, search for the 320kbps or the flac (only if I really like the album) and then play those mo’fos in foobar2000.

    I barely use streaming, esentially from Grooveshark, Bandcamp, Soundcloud and Youtube, because in my work we got the mb limited and I can get some kind of suspension. I mostly play one album that I want to preview and can’t #doomload in that time.

    I don’t like streaming too much, either way. I want to “have” the album, and, as I can’t have it physically, at least I got a folder.

    That’s the way I consume my music 🙂

  • Further Down the Metal Hole

    CDs in the car, otherwise high quality rips from those CDs on my computer (speakers) or my phone when I’m on public transport (headphones). Whenever possible, I try to get a CD, even if it costs me twice as much compared to digital.

    I went a bit crazy with my Christmas bonus and bought roughly 35 CDs over the past month and a half. Having trouble deciding what to listen to every hour of the day, haha.

    • what CD’s did you buy?

      • Further Down the Metal Hole

        In alphabetical order:

        Ad Infinitum – Woven Within
        Agalloch – Pale Folklore & The Mantle
        Arch Enemy – Stigmata
        Bastard Sapling – Instinct is Forever
        Behemoth – The Satanist
        Black Crown Initiate – The Wreckage of Stars
        Bloodshot Dawn – Demons
        Cloudkicker – The Discovery & The Map is not the Territory
        Fallujah – The Flesh Prevails
        He Is Legend – Heavy Fruit & It Hates You
        Lamb of God – Resolution
        Machine Head – Bloodstone & Diamonds
        Mastodon – Crack the Skye & Once More Round the Sun
        Morbid Angel – Illud Divinum Insanus (shaddup)
        Opeth – Deliverance
        Pallbearer – Sorrow and Extinction
        Panopticon – Roads to the North
        Rivers of Nihil – The Conscious Seed of Light
        Septicflesh – Titan & The Great Mass
        Slipknot – .5. The Gray Chapter
        Slugdge – Gastronomicon
        Solstafir – Otta
        Son of Aurelius – Under a Western Sun
        Steamforged – The Endless
        Sylosis – Dormant Heart
        Tempel – On the Steps of Tempel
        Tesseract – One
        The Mire – Glass Cathedrals
        Triptykon – Eparistera Daimones
        Vader – Tibi et Igni
        Wolvhammer – Clawing into Black Sun
        Woods of Ypres – Woods 5

        Some of them are digital, but at least 30 are physical. TOO MUCH TO LISTEN TO. And the list keeps growing, thanks Toilet.

      • Further Down the Metal Hole

        Ad Infinitum – Woven Within
        Agalloch – Pale Folklore & The Mantle
        Arch Enemy – Stigmata
        Bastard Sapling – Instinct is Forever
        Behemoth – The Satanist
        Black Crown Initiate – Wreckage of Stars
        Bloodshot Dawn – Demons
        Cloudkicker – The Discovery & The Map is not the Territory
        Fallujah – The Flesh Prevails
        He is Legend – Heavy Fruit & It Hates You
        Lamb of God – Resolution
        Machine Head – Bloodstone & Diamonds
        Mastodon – Remission & Crack the Skye & Once More Round the Sun
        Morbid Angel – Illud Divinum Insanus (shaddup)
        Opeth – Deliverance
        Pallbearer – Sorrow and Extinction
        Panopticon – Roads to the North
        Rivers of Nihil – The Conscious Seed of Light
        Septicflesh – The Great Mass & Titan
        Slipknot – .5: The Gray Chapter
        Slugdge – Gastronomicon
        Soltafir – Otta
        Son of Aurelius – Under a Western Sun
        Steamforged – The Endless
        Sylosis – Dormant Heart
        Tempel – On the Steps of Tempel
        Tesseract – One
        The Mire – Glass Cathedrals
        Triptykon – Eparistera Daimones
        Vader – Tibi et Igni
        Wolvhammer – Clawing into Black Sun
        Woods of Ypres – Woods 5

        A few are digital purchases, but at least 30 are physical. The list still keeps getting longer though, damn the Toilet.

        • noice! several of those were in my top picks last year!

        • Lacertilian

          New Tempel music coming soon I hear..

          • Further Down the Metal Hole

            I shall have to keep a lookout!

  • PhoenixKing Leonhart

    I’m kind of basic when it come to music consumption. I buy digital from Bandcamp, or purchase CDs from either Bandcamp or from the record store in the Village (Generation Records. Great place.). Most of the time I use them at 320kps or Variable. For bands I really like I download their music in FLAC. I also have a Spotify account that I have been using more and more.

    I once had a pretty hefty CD collecion but all that shit got burned in a fire. It boils my blood thinking about it to this day.