On Threats, Censorship, and Destroyer 666

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If you keep an eye on the comings and goings in the metal underground, you’re no doubt aware of the slowly expanding PR fireball that Destroyer 666 has created. I believe there’s still plenty to discuss with regards to the band’s words and actions, as well as the bigger issue in the relationship between the press and bands in the metal world.

Allegations of racism aren’t a new thing for Destroyer 666, or more specifically, for frontman KK Warslut. Many consider those allegations to be pointless, as the music is what’s important to the listening public. I personally feel that there shouldn’t be free passes for hate speech; it needs to be exposed, and the listening public can decide from there if they want to keep supporting the band or not. This article, however, isn’t intended to be about said allegations. KK’s recent outbursts have shown a disturbing level of anger toward various metal outlets, and it would do the whole metal community well to think about and avoid any precedents being set.

I’ll try my best to lay out a timeline here: On July 9th, a drunk KK spent a good amount of time on stage at Metal Magic festival in Denmark expressing his hatred for the audience. He was particularly “sick of” the men, who had descended from Vikings, but were now living in a “matriarchal” society. He also became outraged at a concertgoer in an Antifa mask, but in fairness, that outburst was far more understandable due to the militant nature of the Australian left-wing extremist group, who tends to default to immediate violence themselves. Several fans jumped on stage at different times in an attempt to fight KK, who had to be held back himself. Luckily, their set ended without violence. This unprompted display of misogyny resulted in perplexed coverage from a few metal websites; Metalsucks paired it with a discussion of KK’s Nazi-associated tattoos, his identification of the white wolf (which is standing over its mutilated brown prey) on their Unchain The Wolves album as “the spirit of the white man,” and his former membership in the openly racist band The Raven’s Wing.

Next, Blair Hopkins of Invisible Oranges did a review of a D666 show where she also attempted to photograph the band while they were playing. KK continued in a similar fashion as his Danish show, taking a vocal survey of the crowd to check for possible “pussies,” “faggots,” and “internet warriors.” KK approved of the roaring crowd’s assurance that none of those were in attendance, and he also approved of the “good looking chink” in the audience (some comments have suggested that he actually said “good looking chick,” but that change in the narrative does little to affect the outcome). Hopkins continued with her account of being annoyed—and later groped—by a drunk dude throughout the entire show, and the difficulty she had taking pictures due to the frenzy of the audience. While there is plenty of subtext implicitly deriding KK’s overt sexism and racism, Hopkins praises the band’s performance, their recent album, and even recognizes the appeal of the frontman’s persona. The only shade of a blame one could find is her comment that their aesthetic “makes for unpredictable audience behavior.” Even then, she clearly recognizes that the band is simply putting on a good show, and the obvious side affect is a raucous crowd that makes photography (part of her job) difficult when there isn’t a designated space for photographers (a fault she never comes close to leveling at the band).

The next day, Destroyer 666 posted the following on their Facebook page (the post has since been deleted).13710064_10157161840400416_6479238007931998203_n

I suppose there are a few points KK could have been trying to make with this completely asinine statement, but there is absolutely no excuse for being edgy about a global tragedy by mocking those families in their devastation and grieving. Especially when it takes place in a country that is being forced to make senseless violence and horrible loss a part of their daily lives. Unbelievably, however, KK’s utter lack of emotional intelligence on this post hardly plays a part in the current debacle.

This brings us to July 17th. Destroyer 666 posted a long tour wrap-up on Facebook, and spent most of it calling out metal blogs and SJW culture (ah yes, the old standby attack). In a truly deplorable display, KK railed against Blair Hopkins, calling her a “little lying dishonest whore.” He accused her of being “more intent on advertising her attractiveness to drunks than she was in writing an honest review.” Then, switching to a second person narrative (while drastically upping his typo-per-sentence rate), he finished with “Clearly your insecure about your looks woman and felt a burning desire to advertise just how irresistible you are.To drunks.Sad desperate bitch.” I’ll spare you the English lesson that we desperately need in favor of the humanity lesson we need even more. First of all, it’s not a secret that the instances of women being groped and straight up molested at metal shows are really high (yeah, those are all different links citing this sort of thing. Stop groping women at metal shows, idiots). She was reviewing a live show, and it shouldn’t be a debate that this drunk dude’s nagging was a big part of her experience. Secondly, she had nothing but positive and well-written things to say about each band. The only troubles she spoke of were getting thrown around in the pit while trying to take pictures, and how the drunken idiot was groping her anytime she was mildly stable. She even mentioned how she laughed about the ordeal on her way out, stating “I’ve gotta have another crack at those guys…but it’s gotta be somewhere with a photo pit.”

I urge you to read her review for yourself. If I’m clearly wrong and Hopkins deserves the hideous, dimwitted hate speech KK leveled at her, I’d love to hear your reasoning. I consider myself a decently intelligent guy and I can’t come up with anything other than emotional reasoning on his part, or the propensity of a certain individuals to only see the world and motivations of others in terms of their own emotional state. KK was unhappy with how his drunken, misogynist tirade in Denmark had gotten negative coverage from metal outlets, and he projected that onto this basically positive live review by a woman and responded by lashing out at his perception of someone out to get him. While I can’t see it happening, I desperately hope he apologizes for his idiotic rant against Hopkins.

Next, and most deplorably (although finding new lows seems difficult at this point), he targets the editors of Metalsucks. Like several other metal blogs (and grown men who call themselves KK Warslut), each contributor writes under a pseudonym in an effort to keep their personal lives separate. Metalsucks has long been known for a dry, nearly sarcastic tone when writing op-ed pieces, and that sort of voice worked well when they boiled down KK’s words and actions over the years to label him a “racist d-bag” in the article. KK took great offense to this, and posted the real names of both editors, and a picture, the home address, and personal phone number of the site’s founder in their rambling nonsense. I don’t care what kind of insult you think your band has received, giving that level of personal information to a wide and unpredictable audience of random people is pure, childish garbage. A respected Toileteer said it better that I will: “At best, you’re trying to intimidate someone with the implication of potential violence. At worst, you’re hoping some idiot that likes you will carry out that violence on your behalf.” Do you truly, and I mean truly, want that very real violence on your hands, Mr. Warslut? You did, after all, say that nature could take its course, now that their names are in the public domain. But nature doesn’t take its course here, the whims of random people that you personally influence take their course. I hope that you hope nothing happens.

Now, I should point out that KK posted that information with claims that they received death threats due to Metalsucks’ article, and, not being in the band’s shoes, we’re not in any position to doubt that those claims were made. However, his posting of highly personal information to their already rabid fans undoubtedly takes that way farther than Metalsucks could have. Not to mention that, given D666’s Australian location, Metalsucks’ primarily North American following, and the vast difference in population of both areas, there’s a strong skew in actual threat here (note: I can’t believe I felt the need to lay out that line of reasoning, but I did. Thanks, KK). But that’s not all! Metalsucks went back and deleted all negative articles about Destroyer 666 and posted an apology article, citing their regret that the band received the threats. It took KK a very long time to respond in kind, and the personal information was left up well past the time that the apology article ran. When the address and phone number were finally taken down, the bloggers’ real names still remained. Within that time, an anonymous source revealed this:

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If you read Metalsucks’ apology, I don’t think I need to explain how childish KK was being at this point. Another anonymous source close to the situation revealed that KK himself was leveling threats against people involved to the point that law enforcement had to be included (he stated in the initial post that he’ll be in the state where the involved party is located for the next four weeks, giving some kind of assumption that he’s in the position to act upon said threats), heaping piles and piles of hypocrisy upon his anger that threats of physical violence are crossing the line, which prompted Metalsucks to detract and run the apology piece. If you followed D666’s post, you might have noticed at this point that KK was banning and deleting anyone with an opposing opinion (I think I may have heard the complaint that “SJW-types” dismiss anyone with an opposing opinion…hmmm…). I got blocked really quickly for voicing a differing viewpoint, and the same was swiftly done for anyone else. At this point, anyone who views that post will only see comments that confirm KK’s views due to his censorship of the post.

Clearly, things at this point are boiling over into absolute nonsense on the part of the manchild called KK Warslut. I mentioned earlier that this article is intended to be about dangerous precedents that may be set here, and here we are: can bands simply reveal personal and dangerously accurate information for metal outlets when those sites give them negative coverage in exchange for retractions? Voices on the Toilet ov Hell Facebook group echoed the same sad sentiment, and I dearly, dearly hope that we haven’t arrived at that point. If Todd Jones of super mega tuff band Nails had the physical address of the slightly-but-not-really-negative blogger in the UK with whom he had a Twitter beef, would he have purposely incited violence to get a retraction of the negative coverage? He threatened playground, “meet-me-by-the-bike-racks after school” violence himself, so it’s difficult to conjecture at this point. If the various Phils of the metal realm (Phil McSorley, Phil Labonte, Phil Fasciana) had physical identification of the many metal blogs that gave them grief for their racist and/or misogynistic diatribes, would we have been in this current situation years ago?

Once again, I dearly hope that other bands haven’t taken notice. If a trend catches on of petty bands leveling petty, yet real-world threats that can result in actual violence against press that simply state facts about the band, the world of metal will significantly suffer for it. Not on the behalf of blogs, but for the fair treatment of all music being released. Imagine a world where threats of violence can completely curb even slightly negative reviews. Or, in this case, imagine a world where threats from members of the band itself can warrant apology pieces from a blog that simply drew conclusions from facts about the band based off available statements. What would that sort of atmosphere do for a community built on subjectivity and (supposedly) open discussion?

We here at the Toilet ov Hell have a colorful history with the folks at Metalsucks, but I can say now that we’ve reached a point of mutual respect. We, as a group, are appalled and disgusted at the threats of harm from both the members of and the fans of Destroyer 666, and we wish nothing but peace and happiness for everyone involved with Metalsucks. We also wish peace and happiness for both the members of and the fans of Destroyer 666. The band’s new album has garnered positive praise from all corners of the blogosphere, including many of our readers. I won’t deny for a second that Destroyer 666 is the band to fill your rifftastic black thrashing needs, and I’m not seeking to vilify anyone that chooses to ignore the personal proceedings of the band and simply listen to the excellent brand of metal they produce. But if you think for a second that being a tuff, trve metal warrior involves threatening innocent people and their families, you have tremendous amount of growing up to do. I firmly believe that the disgusting views held by the grown man that calls himself KK Warslut can openly be mocked by the same free speech he cries for (but denies by deleting detractors), and anyone that immediately dismisses it as “SJW propaganda” should hold a calm and level-headed discussion below. Did I incite fiery replies with several of my last sentences? Of course I did, now shut up and give me a well-reasoned response below.

Editor’s Note: I reached out to the band’s label, Season of Mist, for a comment on this story. Michael Berberian, the label’s founder replied thusly:
“I can’t comment as SOM – as my views are not the one of the company. However, on a personal level : here is my comment

  • Tim Wilsön

    Thanks dude, I’ve been away for a few weeks so haven’t been able to follow this story. Destroyer 666 have managed to seem even more fascist while trying to prevent people calling them fascists. hmmmm

    • IronLawnmower

      SIEG HEIL SAFE SPACE
      SIEG HEIL DOXXING
      SIEG HEIL OUR MERCH

  • Thanks for putting this all together.

  • A rep from Seasons of Mist just got back to me. His words:
    “I can’t comment as SOM – as my views are not the one of the company. However, on a personal level : here is my comment : ”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sokdL-0iV9s

    • Real classy shit

      • Mosh Hoff

        This is classier than an Ed Hardy suit.

    • Mosh Hoff

      THAT’S HOW THINGS ARE IN THE STEEETS BOI U WOULDN’T LAST A SECOND IN TUFFLAND POPULATION: OVERREACT

    • IronLawnmower

      Season of Mist released Illud so what do they know.

    • A.P.

      Wait… really?

      • Really

        • A.P.

          Dear christ, man. I feel like, considering the situation, a label rep from an outfit like SoM responding like this is a bigger story than the original, unless I’m grossly misunderstanding his response.

          • Mosh Hoff

            It’s an inside joke about white wine, you’re too dumb to understand it.

        • Ayreonaut

          Really really?

    • Spear

      I’m trying really hard to figure out a way that that’s directed at the band and not at us/MS/IO. It’s not working.

      • I’m pretty sure it’s directed to MS. Probably us too. I’m just glad D666 found a label that really gets what they’re all about.

        • Spear

          I guess I’m not surprised, just very disappointed. They did release this masterpiece, after all: https://f4.bcbits.com/img/a3265418005_10.jpg

          • Eliza

            This image alone is enough to make stay away.

          • Spear

            I’m just going to cry myself to sleep, clutching my Gorguts albums.

          • Eliza

            Good idea, hope you’ll feel better.

          • Abradolf Lincler

            My buddy actually has a friend over from Australia New Zealand and apparently she tells us that the Confederate flag is popular over there for some reason

          • Spear

            That’s… odd. Any idea why?

          • Abradolf Lincler

            she seemed to think it was ex-pats

          • Veldar

            Really? As an Aussie I can’t recall seeing it anywhere, but I don’t hang with um… unprogressive people

          • Abradolf Lincler

            no idea man. she asked if she could have mine because it would be worth some money

          • Veldar

            Hahaha WTF? Do you know where she comes from? like a general area?

          • Abradolf Lincler

            she is part aboriginie, somewhere in the far reaches of new zealand. id have to ask and get back to you

          • Veldar

            Nah it’s cool, just seems weird to me. Most nationalist and white power groups in Australia use the Eureka flag or Australian flag, not sure about New Zealand though.

            I am aware that confederate flags are harder to buy these days because of the connection to hate groups, really didn’t think that would have a noticeable impact on people who want them.

          • Abradolf Lincler

            i can get a confederate flag at a thousand places.

            you just cant buy one at walmart or amazon

          • Lacertilian

            I usually spot them from their full-back tattoos of Pauline Hanson with the Southern Cross gleaming in her eyes.

          • Veldar

            Hahaha

            I can’t even put into words how much I disgust her

          • Ted Nü-Djent ™

            I know The Blurters used it as the image on a CD (on the actual disc) but that was probably them being ironic

          • Megan Alexandra

            Actually in my neck of the Canadian woods it’s also been popular for a long time as a way for self-identified rednecks to show their “country pride” I guess? I always assumed they were sold next to the Realtree seat covers somewhere.

          • Abradolf Lincler

            thats actually a portion of the debate here in the south. tho, imo the entire “heritage v hate” argument is a fallacy

          • tigeraid

            This. I have friends of friends who identify as “rednecks” (which really just means being fucking drunks and driving pickup trucks) and proudly display that turd. The country has little to do with it.

          • Corpsefunk

            Nothing wrong with pick ups dude especially if you work with your hands

          • Megadead

            I fucking love this album!

        • Hans Müller

          I was gonna point out that he made a point of saying that his view isn’t the label’s, but then I scrolled back up and… he’s the owner/founder? Who the fuck if not him expresses the label’s view then?

        • Sy-Klone

          I’m just shocked at this response then. By posting the Body Count song, is he then also advocating violence against anyone in the metal press who gives a negative story on a band?

          This makes me question my whole dealings with SOM.

          • Corpsesniffer

            ” By posting the Body Count song, is he then also advocating violence
            against anyone in the metal press who gives a negative story on a band?”

            Jesus Christ, how old are you? Do you not understand humor? Metalsucks bit off waaaaaaay more they can chew with their slanderous witch hunt and the real world caught up with them, so, they shit their pants like the cowards they are.

            Lighten up, Francis, and get a sense of humor.

        • somnium163

          Guys, Season of Mist has released a shitload of NS-leaning bands like Drudkh, DST and Naer Mataron (the guy from Golden Dawn, remember?). Like, where have you been all along? Anyway, great article.

          • Paddlin’ Rites ov Beargod

            It’s one thing to release music by dodgy bands and anither to (in)directly give your blessing to doxing and the rest of the shit KK pulled off.

          • somnium163

            No, I don’t think it’s that different. Heavy metal is one of these places in the world where if it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, we’ll be forever in doubt that it is. SOM has been supporting Destroyer 666 from almost day one, don’t you think they know what they’re about and agree with it in some extent? In any case, for any of you, just follow Michael Barberian in facebook in you want to see his opinions, he makes some subtly political posts every now and then.

          • Paddlin’ Rites ov Beargod

            You’re not wrong, but I do retain that by releasing their music SoM has given their silent acceptance to these bands’ beliefs (which I am not saying right either, but not enough to get me riled up), and now they’ve actively condoned of death threats, urges to violence etc.
            From bad to worse.

          • Corpsesniffer

            Destroyer isn’t really “about” anything though. What do you think it is that they are about, considering they have a Jewish member, and a half Chilean/half Iranian playing in the band right now?

          • somnium163

            I beg to differ. I didn’t know about the ancestry of the current members, but for me, they always had a very specific outlook, so to say. Just take a look at this, clearly “about something”. You would call it alt-right in US I believe (ok, I’m trying to post a recent fb link, and it doesn’t work, but they are presenting this as “if the more serious lyrics of Destroyer could be formulated into a coherent philosophy”. https://www.facebook.com/destroyer666page/photos/a.91314733220.83773.50237198220/10154294848013221/?type=3&theater

          • The Wolf

            I don’t know about the other two but Drudkh are hardly NS. Ukrainian Nationalism? Yes and most of those politics are about independence from Russia. Said groups fought against the Nazis and the USSR.

          • somnium163

            Hate Forest, their predecessor band didn’t shy away from using the “aryan” word and related symbols, and also had a decleration on the back of some cd “every subhuman who buys this record buys a weapon against himself”.

          • The Wolf

            According to a reviewer it’s from Hate Forest’s label, not the band specifically.

            “Apparently on account of statements made by Hate Forest (which are hard to track down and verify), epithets such as ‘racist’ or ‘NS’ have come to be regularly attached to the band, although it should be noted that the notorious statement on their label’s website (“Every subhuman buying Hate Forest releases buys a weapon against himself”) is at least potentially ambiguous and could be read more as a statement of general misanthropy than specific prejudice. Whatever the truth of Hate Forest’s beliefs, there should remain, as with Burzum, a distinction between a knowledge of the band’s personal philosophies and any interpretation of how they may have directly affected their releases. Whether or not the band may be rightfully adjudged NS, there seems little basis for regarding ‘Battlefields’ as demonstrably so. There are no printed lyrics, or translations of lyrics, and the brutally guttural vocals render any meaning resolutely impenetrable.”
            http://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/Hate_Forest/Battlefields/34166/Bertilak/92770

          • somnium163

            It was also printed in the back of some cd, don’t remember which but I’ve seen it in a record shop years ago. Also, the context of the Ukranian scene, bands/labels they associated with, interviews (Drudkh never did interviews which was a smart choice in that regard, but I remember a Thurios interview for Astrofaes) doesn’t leave much room for ambiguity. It’s really not that hard to understand the philosophy of a band if you’re interested in it.

          • Corpsesniffer

            Listen to you trying to dance in circles around the fact that Drudkh/Hate Forest associate with NS people, have NS beliefs, and even play shows with racist symbols on the stage behind them!

            Cognitive dissonance much?

          • Corpsesniffer

            “I don’t know about the other two but Drudkh are hardly NS.”

            HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

            Talk about clueless!!! Never heard of their other band, Hate Forest, have you? Hahahha you people are hilarious.

            http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Hate_Forest/2234

          • The Wolf

            If you look at who I responded to you’ll see I was referring to “DST and Naer Mataron” as two bands I’ve not heard of before. Somnium didn’t mention Hate Forest.

          • Corpsesniffer

            Where have they been? Swimming around in the metal kiddie pool, while the rest of the true fans are doing swan dives into the deep end. Those questionable releases on SoM should be common knowledge to anyone who isn’t a complete poser.

        • Sy-Klone

          Also disappointed to see MS has now actually deleted the apology post as well. Ignoring things always makes them better, doesn’t it?

        • Corpsesniffer

          They aren’t “all about” anything. Just metal, and against muck raking, libelous gutter click bait masquerading as music journalism.

          • I thought you of all people would be sympathetic to someone being doxxed.

          • Corpsesniffer

            Hahahaha, it was you!!?? Well played, sir. Seriously. Been wondering about that for a long time, cheers 🙂

          • No, I didn’t do it, I just remember it a long time ago.

          • Corpsesniffer

            It was probably Vince/Axl….

        • evilstormer

          First, sorry for chiming in a good half a year after the incident.
          You know, here in Russia we’re a little savage, and not many metalheads are caught up with international metal agenda. We have a load of sad shit happening to the country right now as a distracting factor.

          Second, KK Warslut indeed is a manchild, just as most of them boys jacking off to that Viking/white/whatever supremacism/machismo thing to the extent of almost being comically latent about things they so ardently oppose.

          Third, if the “Talk Shit, Get Shot” reference was directed to MS/journalism, isn’t it ironical that supposed white supremacists use metal performed by black people as a responce? I’m kinda confused here, analyzing the Body Count innuendo and stuff. You know, *logically* it makes more sense to me that SOM owner was kinda denouncing Warslut’s running mouth. Though *emotionally* I tend to believe it was a macho saying aimed at journalism/media.

      • I really, really hope that’s not the case, Season of Mist has a ton of sweet bands signed.

    • Paddlin’ Rites ov Beargod

      Yea boi, Season of Mist is shit.
      Must tell Keijo about this, RS is super anti-racist and they are on SoM.

      • Mosh Hoff

        TO THE INTERNET!

        • Paddlin’ Rites ov Beargod

          I just wanna see the reaction on his mug, whether he ackniwledges the fact or not.

        • CyberneticOrganism

          To the commentmobile!

    • Abradolf Lincler

      Well, you cant win a ROTW with it. i already tried

      • Ted Nü-Djent ™

        Same here, on the stop start ROTW

    • CyberneticOrganism

      Seasons of Tuff

    • Mother Shabubu

      MOAR LIEK SEASON OF DIST

  • IronLawnmower

    I thought Australians were meant to be tough and manly not gangly manchildren who throw a fit the moment anything negative is said about them.

    • Corpsesniffer

      False things were said. That’s the issue.

  • Elegant Gazing Globe

    When I was a kid you could pick up a phone book and find anyone’s address and phone number. Point is don’t be a dbag on the Internet and you’ll have no reason to hide. – whately Greiner

    • Dubbbz

      I think the context here is different. Yes, you could have that information and engage in a disagreement with someone, but publicizing that information somewhere that a lot of fans are going to react first and think second is bad form. I think you and I can both agree that Facebook doesn’t exactly breed rational responses to controversy, right? If perhaps KK had simply sent Vince an email, or even called him himself using the info he had, that would be akin to what you’re describing. Posting it on Facebook is giving that info to a mob.

      • Exactly. It was the context of the situation. A statement of facts and reports shouldn’t cause someone to post your home address asking people to show up at your doorstep.

        • Corpsesniffer

          “A statement of facts and reports shouldn’t cause someone to post your home address asking people to show up at your doorstep.”

          You missed the entire point here. Metalsucks and IO spread outright LIES about the bands performance. I’m 100% positive KK mentioned the word lawsuit to Axl and Vince and those two put their tails between their legs, and quick.

      • I’m still amazed how people in America can take very seriously the things on the internetz.

        • Dubbbz

          The ennui of the digital era.

        • We have a lot of stupid people running around this country and they out number the smart rational folks by alot.

        • Given how much of our daily lives, personal and work-related, revolve around it now, it would irresponsible of us not to.

  • Señor Jefe El Rosa

    Stocky, thanks for presenting the facts and focusing on the biggest issue at hand here. This “doxxing” isn’t good for our community as a whole and can result in terrible events if the wrong people take it the wrong way.

    Still not reading MS though.

    • brokensnow

      lol

      • Señor Jefe El Rosa

        This is the response I was looking and hoping for!

        • brokensnow

          uuhhh…woo?

        • Ayreonaut

          buttz

    • Dave Vincent’s Perm

      Still listening to D666 though

  • Abradolf Lincler

    i saw the beginnings of this last week. i dont particulalry care about the viewpoints of KK but personal attacks against bloggers isnt a very white thing to do

    • Dubbbz

      And I think that’s all Stocky’s trying to point out. Lots of folks can divorce the art form the artist, but doxxing someone is bad form.

      • Abradolf Lincler

        thanks for the special report fellas, i like having something to read this early

      • Me to KekKek:

        “doxxing not cool, m8”

    • more beer

      I see it as what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. MS has taken it upon themselves to attack anyone who doesn’t agree with them and their views. Just because someone doesn’t lean as far to the left as them. Does not make them a Nazi or racist as they try to make it seem. Every week they run an article with some agenda which basically drives a wedge in an already divide scene. Another thing he shouldn’t have put Vinces address and phone number out there. But isn’t MS running stories like they do, then they say you can see them here tonight almost the same thing? As giving his address. It totally puts it out there for some psycho to show up at there show.

      • Abradolf Lincler

        well, for honesty’s sake, d666s use of nazi/white power symbols and whatnot is pretty blatant

        • more beer

          But it wasn’t like this started last week.

          • Abradolf Lincler

            no, in fact way back to the 90s

            you also have to wonder what MS writers were thinking in provoking someone with KKs views

          • more beer

            Exactly this was not breaking news. Also where have they been for 30 years give or take.

        • CT-12

          Yeah, but at the same time, there are a multitude of symbols that exist that Nazi’s have appopriated that have multiple meanings. I think a lot of people would be up in arms if someone/a blogger came to the conclusion that D666 (or a bunch of other bands for that matter) were racist just from their use of certain symbols – and the uproar would be justified in my eyes because that’s not enough proof to warrant calling someone a racist. Fuck dude, my buddy has an Algiz rune tat on his arm and I know he’s the furthest thing from a racist.

          • Abradolf Lincler

            i have multiple runes tattooed on me, i make no mistake upon their real meaning

        • Corpsesniffer

          Care to show me a nazi/white power symbol that D666 “use”? Just one?

          • Abradolf Lincler

            well, you could simply read the MS article, which goes over quite a few of them.

          • Corpsesniffer

            Ah, you must’ve missed that they were erroneous in their assement of the issue.

            Did you know that the band currently contains both a Jewish man, and a half Chilean/half Iranian man?

          • Abradolf Lincler

            awwww are you KK?

      • You can’t threaten a writer for reporting on the things you say and do.

        • more beer

          I agree. But at the same time if yo are going to fuck with people on a regular basis. Eventually it is going to come back to you.

          • Doesn’t make it right.

          • more beer

            Do we live in the same world? Just because something isn’t right doesn’t mean it isn’t going to happen.

          • The fact that it happened isn’t being contested here.

        • Corpsesniffer

          But much of what they reported was completely wrong and grounds for a libel suit. Deep down, you know that’s exactly what happened here. MS weren’t concerned for D666’s safety… they fucked up, big time. The apology shoud’ve read “Sorry we spread lies and misinformation, we didn’t think it’d catch up with us”. If you’re honest, you know in your heart this is the truth of the matter.

      • Stockhausen

        MS running that story then giving one of their tour dates isn’t even close to the same thing. The band themselves lists their tour dates, while the writers make an effort to hide their personal information. And in the MS articles in question, tour dates weren’t even mentioned. We’re not even in the same ballpark as giving someone’s home address then stating that now “nature can take its course,” all in exchange for silencing bad press.

        • more beer

          But the writers there throw shit into a fan everyday. It was only a matter of time before someone called them on it. I did say I thought he was wrong for doing it. But this is a textbook case of two wrongs don’t make a right.

        • Corpsesniffer

          Why didn’t metalsucks just go to the show themselves to report on it and get an interview with KK? Any idea why they wouldn’t do that? Do you think it’s because they spread hearsay from the safety of their keyboards for a living?

  • Eliza

    I don’t usually find it particularly hard to separate the artist from the work, but I don’t think I’ll ever be able to listen to Destroyer666 without being reminded of what a horrible person Warslut is. Whatever enjoyment I could get out of their music is gone.

    • Ayreonaut

      While this guy is definitely a complete scumbag…
      Wasn’t there a guy in malevolent creation who was also a racist or misogynist or something? I always remember that but they still rock to me. I have never listed to destroyer 666 though, and now I never will.

      • Eliza

        I don’t know about that, to be honest, I’d have to do some research. The thing is that I actually liked D666’s album this year, I was one if the people here who praised it a lot. I feel bad about that now.

  • Hubert

    Great article dude! I completely agree.

  • Abradolf Lincler

    Real question: is it still album of the Year material?

    • more beer

      It’s a good record.

    • The Wolf

      Is in my book. Abbath right behind it in the #2 spot.

  • Thanks for the insight, Stocky!

    I also think that all this ruckus is a foreign thing for me, culturally speaking. Here we fight to death with machetes and things, so what do I know of this? What I think, also, is the sub-language behind the fanbase of the band calling about SJW witch hunt by MS and I still think this mentality of SJW vs. “intelligent” people is just annoying.

    • “””””intelligent”””””

  • Heliocrat

    I’ve heard that Warslut was punched in the face ( or hit with a vodka bottle) by on of the guys of the legendary Blasphemy for asking him “Why they have a nggr in the band”.
    It was a while back, so maybe KK needs another round.

    • Abradolf Lincler

      To be fair I never quite understood it either they have a whole lot of merchandise claiming to be powerlifting skinheads

      • Heliocrat

        “Skinhead” can mean a whole lot of different things you know.

        • Abradolf Lincler

          i suppose

    • The Wolf

      And word is from someone directly from Blasphemy that they have no current beef with anyone in D666.

      • Heliocrat

        Yes I know that. And?

        • Corpsesniffer

          And? He’s saying that you’re bringing up something from 20+ years ago and that both bands, including Caller of the Storms (the black member of Blasphemy) are well known to be good friends these days.

          • Heliocrat

            I brought it up because it’s a good example of KK being a cunt and suffering the consequences for being one.

          • Corpsesniffer

            I agree, he deserved that punch 100%. Just as metalsucks deserved what happened to them here.

  • Today’s political climate has really seemed to embolden some people to speak openly with hatred and bigotry. And then when they are confronted on their bullshit, they double down on rhetoric and refuse to give an inch. The fact that this could’ve provoked violence is a cause for concern because with that information out there, some broken brained shithead may have decided to do something.

    • Is the same with our goverment and all the politicians here. They incite division and hate, but they paddle back when they want to talk about love and union. Same dirty cheap tactic.

      • Divide and conquer, a unified public can force changes in their government. A divided public maintains the status quo.

    • Heliocrat

      In a way I prefer it this way. Racism can be diminished to an extend but I doubt It will ever fully go away, there will always be fringe grounds that advocate it. I’d rather know who their are and that they speak openly about it than the closet-racists that dance around the taboo words.

      • megachiles

        You’re correct, humans will always need an Other to blame for their problems.

        However, we need to shift who and what the Other is. We need to show racists/misogynists/homophobes/transphobes that their behaviors are not without consequence and will not be tolerated by the greater part of society.

        It’s the future, and if we want to persist as a species we need to stop being so damn petty about people looking different/having different genitals/wanting to stick those genitals in different places/feeling a disconnect with their genitals. Placing blame on a 0.01% difference in genetic makeup is inane and one of the biggest hindrances to the human race in terms of doing cool future shit.

        Once we can get people to exclusively blame their opposing political camp for all issues we will have made huge progress, imo.

        Edit: spelling

        • Heliocrat

          I agree.
          Personally I think all this issues will only conquered with a lot of sharing and learning within society and TIME.
          People want change now and I wont blame them but I think some of the methods can be counterproductive. The problem with some of the “SJWs” is that they are way too aggressive for their own good and instead of trying to bring people to their point of view they resort to antagonizing and name calling and that won’t convert anyone on the short term and it actually feeds the “other side”.

          • megachiles

            For sure. Sharing and learning is as easy as ever, but it is easy to forget that letting ideas sink in and go to work takes years and years.

            Agreed on the ineffectiveness of hamfisted SJWs. Sometimes I wonder if they truly are the progressive equivalent of the angry, loud racist conservative, or if the echo chambers of that we tend to create for ourselves on the internet don’t propagate effective debate skills. Or maybe we’re all really, really bad at communicating :/

          • Corpsesniffer

            “The problem with some of the “SJWs” is that they are way too aggressive
            for their own good and instead of trying to bring people to their point
            of view they resort to antagonizing and name calling and that won’t
            convert anyone on the short term and it actually feeds the “other side”

            Exactly. And Metalsucks’ childish approach to this largely manufactured controversy ended with them scared to death and peeing in their spider man underwear… it was AWESOME.

          • Heliocrat

            No doubt, you won’t see me defend Metalsucks ever. But KK approached it equally childishly.

      • CT-12

        Exactly. If you’re a Nazi/racist/asshole whatever, at least just fucking be honest and open about it! I hate having to peel the layers of dishonesty off to find out who’s really who in this day and age.

    • more beer

      I think that works both ways in this case. He shouldn’t have done what he did. But isn’t calling the guy a Nazi and saying he is playing here tonight. Pretty much the same thing?

      • Even if that’s a bad thing (it’s not like tour dates are a secret) everything KK Fursuit did is way worse.

        • more beer

          I don’t know about that. Yes tour dates are public knowledge. But when you get people all riled up. Then do that. That is just asking for problems.

          • Starting to get a little victim-blamey in here, aren’t we?

          • more beer

            No it is called the truth. You know for every action there is a reaction. When you spend your days. Trying to find the most polarizing things to write about. Doing it day in and day out. How can you expect things to ever end well? Look at the events of the last few weeks. All polarizing events causing more polarizing events.

          • You’re putting the onus of the doxxing on the MS crew for reporting on KK’s own words instead of KK for doing something dangerous with the intention of threatening and silencing them. That is some fucked up shit you are tacitly approving of.

          • Abradolf Lincler

            can we quit saying “doxxing” . . i dont like the new age of internet lingo

          • Posting someone’s personal information in a public forum usually with the intent to cause harm is called doxxing, and it’s an internet age thing.

          • more beer

            No I am blaming both sides. But it isn’t like those guys weren’t asking for it.

          • Both sides? Asking for it? Really? Really? Fuck this argument to moderation shit, for one, and for two, asking for it is THE classic victim blaming line. Absolutely nothing Vince or Axl did was ASKING to have their private information made public.

          • more beer

            When you play with fire you get burned. The have been playing fast and loose with the truth for years. This time it came back and bit them in the ass.

          • Doesn’t make doxxing ok.

          • more beer

            So today they chose ro go all SJW on an easy shot Varg. They haven’t learned their lesson. About fucking with people.

          • Doesn’t make a difference, doxxing is wrong, doesn’t matter if they like to push people’s buttons, and lol @ caring about Varg all of a sudden. Yeah pal, really sticking up for the underdog there.

          • more beer

            I don’t give a fuck about any of these people. Just like they don’t give a fuck about me. Someday when you grow up and leave your safe room. You will start to understand. The world is a fucked up place. The only thing you can do is make your little part of it a good place.

          • Yeah, you’re making real great progress on making this little part of it good, pal, congratulations.

            Also “grow up and leave your safe room,” really?

          • more beer

            Yea really.

          • I’m tickled you think you know my age and living situation. Absolutely chuffed.

          • Corpsesniffer

            Yo, Gurp- Did your parents have an children that lived?

          • Bob, it was great seeing you after all these years, but you need to lighten up, Francis and be nice or I will ban you.

          • The Wolf

            In so many ways you’re right on this subject. Couldn’t agree with you more here.

            This isn’t blaming a scenario of a “women walking while wearing the wrong clothes”, this is a scenario of “someone poking a bear with a stick”. Go figure the bear eventually bite back.

          • more beer

            Exactly, that is a great description. You can’t fuck with people and not expect repercussions. I am an old school guy, the oldest one here. I don’t see the world through rose colored glasses. I see things for what they are. I know my opinion is unpopular here. No fucks given. Let all of these youngsters get beaten down by life for a while. Their opinions will change.

          • Corpsesniffer

            ” Absolutely nothing Vince or Axl did was ASKING to have their private information made public.”

            Sure it was. Those two have spent many years making money by trying to bring bands and artists down, backed by half baked hearsay, 4th party witnesses, and flat out untruths, all for clicks. They’ve been “asking for it” for years.

            Wouldn’t you say a kid throwing rocks at a bees nest was asking to get stung? Or is that victim blaming to you?

          • Which alt-right shithole excreted you out here, and why should I put in any effort responding to any of these thought-terminating, teenage cliches you seem to think are arguments?

          • Corpsesniffer

            None. You couldn’t be further off about me if you tried. Most of my commenting is done bashing the low functioning people that frequent alt-right sites. I just despise the yellow journalism of the poser/clueless metal blogoshere.

          • Really? That’s a shame. Between your ableism (“low functioning” as an insult) and apparent belief that doxxing is OK if you’re mad at someone, you’d fit right in.

          • Corpsesniffer

            In what possible world could someone use the phrase “low functioning” as anything but an insult?
            Your reach on that one is the exact reason there is such a strong push back against “SJW” stuff. I used to not understand why anyone would be bothered by trying to get people to be nicer to each other, but this whole incident and resulting comments from MS/IO supporters is really making me understand the other side .

            As one of the mods on here pointed out, I got doxxed on metalsucks years ago after incessantly trolling those guys, and you know what, I deserved it. Just as I feel they did for this irresponsible campaign they waged against a 20 year old band they hadn’t heard of until very recently.

          • Upon rereading my comment, you will notice that I did not say low functioning (a term used to describe people on the autism spectrum) was not an insult, but that it was ableist.

            And putting aside your contrary feelings on the matter,, I don’t care what got you doxxed on MS, because that wasn’t right either. Doxxing is a borderline criminal act, one that will almost certainly be a legally criminal act within the next few years, and no one is deserving of it.

          • Do you think women ask for it when they get sexually assaulted while wearing skimpy clothes too?

          • more beer

            comparing a woman getting molested to the metal sucks staff is really stretching it. Don’t you think? When people talk shit all the time. At some point someone is going to step to them.

          • Corpsesniffer

            “comparing a woman getting molested to the metal sucks staff is really
            stretching it. Don’t you think? When people talk shit all the time. At
            some point someone is going to step to them.”

            Perfect comment. And, it was AWESOME seeing them step to metalsucks and making them piss themselves.

          • more beer

            Yes it was I am so sick of their bullshit.

          • Corpsesniffer

            Metalsucks aren’t the victims here, Einstein.

        • Corpsesniffer

          What did he “do”? I’m asking for actual examples of some hateful Nazi ideology. Calling people pussies and riling up the crowd from the stage is age old rock and roll antagonism.

          C’mon, give me a real example of something “bad” he did, please.

      • Yes, but it’s more likely that Nazi-type is going to resort to violence after having traded enough barbs that they want to make a point. Things can escalate quickly especially when there might be a few impressionable folks of lesser intelligence in the crowd.

        • more beer

          The extreme far left are just as bad as the Nazi-type. It was the far left type who set off tear gas at a recent Taake show. My point is. If you spend most of your time getting people riled up and pissed off. Expect bad things to happen.

          • Not condoning the violence at the show, but that was pepper spray, not tear gas.

          • more beer

            Pepper Spray is considered tear gas.

          • Lacertilian

            I don’t know why they bother, all you need are memes to make some people cry.

          • CyberneticOrganism

            Uncontrollable tear gas

          • Lacertilian

            Pepe spray

          • Not going to dispute that. This is what happens to anyone when they just react without pausing for at least a second to think about what they are about to do.

    • Corpsesniffer

      But KK didn’t speak any hatred or bigotry. Care to list an example of when he did? This whole thing was clickbait gutter journalism.

      • Did you and I read the same article? There’s three very clear instances of those things happening either verbally or in print that are directly attributed to him.

  • RustyShackleford

    I always find it absurd that super racists/sexists/whatever douchebags often preach that it’s all “free speech” and then get SUPER offended and feel the need to retaliate when someone calls them out on being a totally buttface. Ya can’t have it both ways! Also I’ve never listened to this band and I’ve spent the past 12 hours or whatever since this broke assuming KK Warslut was a new MS writer or something because the name is so ridiculous…

  • Heliocrat

    On other news, Grand Belial’s Key is headlining Hell’s Headbash.

    • Abradolf Lincler

      wish i could go :(:(

  • I’m very much on the “don’t support the artist if you find their beliefs repugnant” side, which means if I think you’re a shithead then I might listen to your music but I’m never going to pay for it.

    • Eliza

      After reading this post, I feel sort of glad that I didn’t buy D666’s latest album.

      • BM is usually pretty easy to get through, ah, alternative means, anyway.

        • KozmoNaut

          Yeah, I ate an “alternative” schawarma the other day, that gave me hella BM.

  • CyberneticOrganism

    Very well-written, Stock. Threats of violence are the domain of low-level criminals.

  • this article was so well articulated that Toilet ov Hell is now blocked on my corporate PC. i’ll see you all on mobile during poop breaks!

    • CyberneticOrganism

      Poop breaks >>>>>>>>>

  • Megan Alexandra

    Treading lightly here… As far as precedent goes, i think Warslut’s behaviour has less to do with him being a musician and more to do with this particular brand of angry, defensive, hyper-masculine male I see more and more these days. You know, the ones who hate women and minorities but get angry when you label them “racist” or “misogynist” and then call YOU prejudiced for not respecting their beliefs. The ones who believe they’re victims of “reverse racism”. I’m sure we’re all familiar with this person, the one who vehemently denies his privilege without realising it’s the reason he thinks he is entitled to unwavering respect. Warslut has been saying shitty, inflammatory racist shit on fb since forever. If you have ever listened to D666 then this shouldn’t be the first you’re hearing of the band’s beliefs. Nobody did the right thing here (including Rosenberg or MS, IMO), but Warslut’s childish, emotional response is so fucking typical of this group of men. I don’t think it’s representative of a changing relationship between musicians and journalists/bloggers, despite the unfortunate way MS handled it. We can, and should, expect music writers and heavy metal musicians to do their respective jobs within their spheres, and we can do that while accepting that the nature of the music means it might not always be a hand-holding occasion.
    /rant

    • I agree with almost everything you said but I worry that brand of angry, defensive man is becoming so ubiquitous that this becomes the norm.

      • Megan Alexandra

        Sadly I think it already is the norm.

        • megachiles

          I think our increasingly globalized, female-inclusive world has these people really, really pissed. Mostly because that privilege (whether they are aware of it or not) is trending towards disappearing or normalization with other groups. They might not be the majority, but perceived loss of power/social capital is an entire bee hive in their bonnet.

          The next few decades are going to be interesting ones politically. The hypermasculine/nationalistic idealogues are only going to grow louder, unfortunately.

          • Kyle Reese

            I’d just like to add that if a part of a group is criticized, the people in that group respond by painting themselves as the victims of unwarranted attacks.

            tl;dr: Victimhood Culture

      • xengineofdeathx

        It’s even worse now that the Internet has made it so easy to get people’s personal information out there. Metal is becoming more inclusive, but this really poisonous Uber bro behavior is more far reaching too.

    • xengineofdeathx

      These types of people are really just the right wing version of “SJW” they always rant about some enemy or massive conspiracy against them, or some group of people (usually someone they punch down at) but don’t realize that having free speech also means someone can call you a fucking idiot. Especially when you have some arcane and terrible beliefs about women or minorities etc.

  • I was at the very same show as Blair Hopkins (who I didn’t know existed until I read her show review) and also groped by some other dude(s) for the majority of the D666 set. I recall at one point Mr. Warslut remarking that they needed “more white women”, something about “faggots” and getting drunk. Woooo.

    Anyway, similar shit happened at the Mayhem show before Thanksgiving and it seemed like the same kind of crowd, very disproportionately as far as gender, and mostly everyone was way too drunk, or acting like it.

    Still, I had a good time and the band sounded great and had a fun live performance, despite KK Warslut’s onstage banter and the guy next to me (though props to whoever helped me up after some asshole jumped off the stage directly onto me).

    • Stockhausen

      It really sucks that that sort of experience is commonplace for women. I’m glad you had a good time though, it sounds like they put on a rad show.

  • Oh boy, Papa Warbutt ain’t gonna like this

    • his child-like frame is shaking with fury

      • KK Chorenut would get his ass kicked by a 10 year-old #kkwarslutfacts

    • CyberneticOrganism

      Upvoted for “Papa Warbutt”

  • megachiles

    Great piece, Stockhausen!

    This whole situation reminded me of a blog post friend of mine sent me a few months ago: http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2016/05/what-in-the-hell-is-going-on.html
    (Disclaimer: The writer is an economics dude who might be a libertarian)

    In short, there are some percentage of men who feel that their “culture) is under siege, so they lash out, get angry, and/or support groups or demagogues that appeal to their masculinity.

    I think a significant percentage (not a majority, but enough to cause a stink) of the metal subculture fit the mold of this group, and they sense an unfavorable paradigm shift.

    As the blog post point out, recent events have given them agency to fight back against this perceived “feminization” of their culture. As a result, people like Mr. Warslut are making noise, threats, and generally being asshats to protect the status quo.

    The blog also states that one possible way of getting people in this camp to chill would be to “bring back some of the older, more masculine world in a relatively harmless manner”.

    What do you all think? Metal often favors themes or tropes from that “older, more masculine world”, but for a lot of manly-men that doesn’t seem to be enough. It seems they require a safespace.

    • Stockhausen

      That article poses a really interesting, albeit messy, thought. He admits we can’t really settle on it as a full explanation, but in the relatively small society that is extreme metal, it seems as reasonable an explanation as any.

      • megachiles

        Agreed. Definitely has applicability at a fine scale.

    • frozengoatsheadupanunsarse

      Now I’m trying to picture a metal Ron Swanson.

    • CyberneticOrganism

      Doubling down on their hatred seems to be the only response these dudes know

  • Jom Pootersan

    If you’re going to claim to be a great arbitrator of masculinity, deleting the comments of people who don’t share your viewpoint does not exactly help your case.

    • Pagliacci is Kvlt

      I wonder what Howard Dean would say about Mr. Warslut’s style of banning of people he doesn’t agree with?

      • You can ask him. He’s commenting on Toilet Tuesday right now.

        • Jom Pootersan

          Wasn’t around when he was a thing. Probably shouldn’t ask

          • Pagliacci is Kvlt

            Yeahh, probably shouldn’t have even brought it up.

        • Stockhausen

          I’m pretty surprised he hasn’t weighed in on this.

      • Howard Dean

        No comment. To any of this.

        • RJA

          Good to see you back around man!

          • Howard Dean

            Thanks! Good to be back.

  • Dagon

    I feel tired.

    Everything about this small incident (not in severity but in size, mind you) draws from polarizing topics and language that are part of every single discussion these days. Ad nauseam.

    Most of the time I feel a strong desire to stay away from this altogether, but then it builds up to a point where I rant incomprehensibly to vent my frustration.

    On another note, Stockhausen did a great job with this article.

  • Kjeld

    One thing about that alleged ANTIFA mask…:
    It was a hooded guy alright, but it was a right wing nut, who’s been at the venue before, throwing bananas at Mystifier when they played there. So KK was wrong from the start of it all.

    • Stockhausen

      Interesting. More garbage to heap on KiKi is good by me!

    • CyberneticOrganism

      KK Warslut stars in Too Many Bananas!
      *yakkety sax*
      *fast motion concert footage*
      *hail of bananas*

  • Stellavore

    As far as what the guy said or didn’t say at the NYC show, it was all recorded by this youtube user/account: frankj3210 / “Pit Full of Shit”

    However, their set hasn’t been uploaded (while the the opening sets have) and I’m wondering if the guy is just backed up preparing more vids or if maybe he is purposefully keeping it offline to not give the band any more exposure (was vocal on facebook about being disappointed with the bar/show). But if it goes up it wouldn’t be hard to check and confirm some of the IO report – which had several inconsistencies besides the chick/chink thing as far as a timeline of things that I remember. And maybe even could help find some of the assholes harassing other patrons.

    • Stockhausen

      Interesting that he hasn’t posted it yet. I read about the chick/chink dispute, but honestly I don’t think that detail changes much. Hopkins didn’t dwell on it, the bigger issue was KiKi’s bafflingly horrible reaction to a mostly positive live review.

      • Stellavore

        Don’t agree with all that he said, but being at the same show can understand his anger with that report. She may have complimented the performance but much of the piece, including what she got wrong, was spent building up this very sensational scene that made it seem like the band attracts an unusually hostile element.

        There was a pretty diverse crowd of men, women, and minorities but she made the assumption that “many or at least some of whom likely have extremely questionable views about women and minorities.” Based on…? We don’t know. She doesn’t say.

        many or at least some of whom likely have extremely questionable views about women and minorities

        Read More: Destroyer 666 Live at St. Vitus | http://www.invisibleoranges.com/destroyer666-live-at-st-vitus/?trackback=tsmclip
        many or at least some of whom likely have extremely questionable views about women and minorities

        Read More: Destroyer 666 Live at St. Vitus | http://www.invisibleoranges.com/destroyer666-live-at-st-vitus/?trackback=tsmclip
        many or at least some of whom likely have extremely questionable views about women and minorities

        Read More: Destroyer 666 Live at St. Vitus | http://www.invisibleoranges.com/destroyer666-live-at-st-vitus/?trackback=tsmclip
        many or at least some of whom likely have extremely questionable views about women and minorities

        Read More: Destroyer 666 Live at St. Vitus | http://www.invisibleoranges.com/destroyer666-live-at-st-vitus/?trackback=tsmclip

        • The Wolf

          Speaking the truth right here. The LA show as well was extremely diverse. Probably only half white, if even that, and at least a third of the crowd were women. Also just like the NYC show people got really rowdy and I would of advised no one to have tried to get to the front to take photos.

        • Stockhausen

          Maybe we read it differently, but all I got from it was “these guys whip the crowd into a frenzy, I tried to take pictures but couldn’t, but they were great and I’ll try it again sometime.” You pointed out her comment that could be seen a generalization, and you’ve got a fine point with regards to it. The only other possibly negative comment was that the persona of the band results in unpredictable crowd behavior, but even then she wasn’t negative about that. What I’m getting at in the end run is that nothing she said could POSSIBLY warrant the insane response KiKi gave.

          • Stellavore

            When you say it like that without all the melodramatic “lording over minions,” and “sizing people up,” (He looked more concerned tuning up because this all happened during their *soundcheck*), the generalization of the crowd, and accusing him of dropping the smoking gun in the middle of the “PR Nightmare” he’s having by using a racial slur on someone in the crowd before the band
            ever plays a song, it sounds pretty reasonable.

            But yeah, I guess if I were in his shoes, I’d word my response differently too.

        • Corpsesniffer

          “but she made the assumption that “many or at least some of whom likely
          have extremely questionable views about women and minorities.” Based
          on…? We don’t know. She doesn’t say. And it’s not saying much that
          “at least some” people might feel that way. You could say the same thing
          about any metal show around the world. Or the people at the
          supermarket.”

          Exactly. Clear evidence that this was a shameful piece of agenda driven, gutter journalism. If I were IO, I’d remove the article and cease and further collaboration with this lady.

    • Joseph Schafer

      IO is waiting for that footage in order to fact-check some things in the article. However we also have heard that some of these comments were made while the camera was turned off.

      • Corpsesniffer

        “However we also have heard that some of these comments were made while the camera was turned off.”

        LOL get a grip, man. That camera rolls from beginning to end for every bands set I’ve seen at that club or watched on youtube.

        • Joseph Schafer

          I’m telling you what the sources told me. Again, we’ll review the footage when it is released.

  • SomeGuyDude

    It’s worth saying that MetalSucks being the absolute garbage level website it is doesn’t help. These are people who made a full article about a Reddit post and called it “news”.

    KK is filth in his own right but this is sort of the heavy metal equivalent of Hulk Hogan going after Gawker. No matter who wins, we all lose.

    • brokensnow

      well put.

    • Stockhausen

      I definitely won’t dispute your views of MS.

  • Waynecro

    I think Warslut needs to do the adult thing: Challenge his critics to a televised boxing match.

    • Stockhausen

      It’s really the only choice at this point.

  • Stellavore

    “Not to mention that, given D666’s Australian location, Metalsucks’
    primarily North American following, and the vast difference in
    population of both areas, there’s a strong skew in actual threat here”

    You really could have left this part out given the recent tear-gassing at the Taake show in California. Things could have definitely gotten out of control during the the rest of their tour in the country if someone wanted to cause harm and there’s no need to try and down play one or the other.

  • The Tetrachord of Archytas

    I’ve adapted my lifestyle to account for the fact that unreasonable people will remain unreasonable regardless of how skilled one is at debating. Miserable people become increasingly insecure and lash out accordingly looking for people to blame. Dude has a well regarded album out this year and is playing and touring. What would be different for him in a world where his race fantasies were played out? Probably nothing, but he’s likely deeply dissatisfied on some existential level. I’m torn because I do agree with the nature of this post, but I wonder where this path leads. War begets war in a sense and I feel like the actual way to eliminate these kind of events or beliefs etc was already laid out by the simpsons.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlKao_Pox5A

    • Well put, but hopefully this leads to reputable or just popular metal outlets refusing to give the man and his band any further coverage. (Unlikely, but we can dream.)

      • Corpsesniffer

        LOL. Reputable metal outlets love this band, as they are legends and have released at least 3 all time classics. Metalsucks/IO/Metalinjection etc are not reputable and are so far removed from the actual metal underground that’s it’s laughable.

  • Joseph Schafer

    Thanks for the writeup, ToH, on behalf of everyone at Invisible Oranges.

    • Óðinn

      Hi Joseph. Nice to see you here in the Toilet.

      • Joseph Schafer

        Well you know. Everybody needs to hit the head now and again;)

    • Stockhausen

      Our pleasure! Thanks for stopping by.

  • Megan Alexandra

    Huh? I’m not saying anything about “which people” say what, I’m just saying Warslut seems to fit into the specific social group I described as far as beliefs go, and his behaviour (FB rants/doxxing) reflects that. The original article wonders if this is the direction in which music journalism is headed (criticism met with threats of violence, implied or otherwise) and I argue that this is less an issue of music journalism today and more just the typical, defensive behaviour of the type of person Warslut likely is.

    • BobLoblaw

      Maybe I’m wrong but it seemed you were specifying a group by mentioning privilege and hating minorities (how many guesses would anyone need to know what generalized boogeyman you are referring to?). I obviously agree he fits nicely into the bigot mold, what I was getting at is that mold is a gaping hole that has literally every type of person loitering in its putrid depths. I doubt seriously his childish and predictable behavior is any kind of indication of things to come. Journalists have always been under threat because of the things and people they expose its nothing new and unfortunately comes with the territory. At least with something like this the whole debacle is out for everyone to see.

    • BobLoblaw

      Oh, forgot the “reverse racism” comment as well. Youre really trying to sell you werent talking about a specific group?

      • Megan Alexandra

        Uhhhhh I’m definitely talking about a specific group, the group of dudes who make racist comments on Facebook, use “SJW” as a pejorative in regards to people who call out racism or misogyny, and talk about “the spirit of the white man” as though it’s being subject to oppression. You seem to think I’m making some kind of “all white men are racist” comment, which I’m not, and you also seem really hung up on it. I’m sorry to hear you’ve heard racist comments by people of all races, but it’s unrelated to my original comment which concerns KK Warslut and the many, many people out there like him. Yes, lots and lots of people are bigots, you are correct on that point I neither brought up nor refuted. KK Warslut is a specific type–the kind who uses his privilege to silence oppressed voices, then complains about being labeled or treated in a way he doesn’t like. Not complicated, not sure what you think you’re calling me out on, pretty over caring about it though! Hope this answered your questions.

        • BobLoblaw

          Well hes a neo nazi. Not some douche on facebook or reddit (or the throngs of people who say ridiculous things on the internet because they think its funny to piss people off) so they arent the same group and the only relation is skin color. NSBM is what the problem is here not “MRAs” or any “privileged” boogeyman. Thats what put the bee in my bonnet originally then your unwillingness to see my point that its systemic in ALL groups (work aside I’ve grown up in a racially diverse city) and now your condescension and conjecture as to what I am “hung up on”. Instead of adopting a defensive and condescending tone to someone who is engaging in (I feel) even keeled conversation maybe you should talk to them. Thats how people develop and hold the insane amount of ridiculous prejudices out there, seclusion and division.

          • Megan Alexandra

            Ugh go awaaayyyyy project onto someone else

          • The Wolf

            “It’s a Toxic Masculinity problem”
            “No, it’s a Nazi problem”
            *bicker, bicker*
            *The Right Wing sweeps up whatever is left after the fight*
            History repeats itself.

          • BobLoblaw

            What am I projecting on you? That is certainly a strange (childish) response.

          • Corpsesniffer

            He’s a neo-Nazi, yet employs both a Jewish man and a half Chilean/half Iranian man in his band?

  • The Wolf

    MS had it coming for trying to ruin the careers of a number of Black Metal bands over the last couple years. Intimidation was the game they created.

    • CyberneticOrganism

      They wrote a bunch of silly stuff online so they deserve death threats?

      • The Wolf

        I don’t think anyone deserves doxxing or death threats. I just think they deserved some of their own medicine in having their careers threatened (not their lives).

    • RFI

      • The Wolf

        Good for you.

    • BobLoblaw

      I saw you upvoted me below, you should have done as Richter. I can garauntee you misinterpreted what I was saying and that we have polar opposite views on this and most matters.

      • The Wolf

        Maybe we have more in common than you think, but it seems like you’re the one sooner to jump into acting like we’re enemies.

        I tend to think most issues, including the myriad of ones interlocked here, aren’t black and white.

        • BobLoblaw

          When it comes to bigotry in any form it is. Thats what i was getting at. Lets just put aside the tattoos and thinly veiled (par for the course) white supremacy imagery and lyrics as mistakes in someones past for a second. Dont you think that person, if they arent a piece of shit bigot still, would denounce all of it out of embarrassment instead of going on the defensive? Bigots whether they are in your favorite band or not need to be outed and ostracized. They are scum.

          • The Wolf

            No, I don’t entirely agree with that. Part of it is being forced to apologize, which is something quite different from offering a genuine apology. Further I’m well aware they’re trying to project a biker gang aesthetic and part of that is not apologizing for anything, especially if it makes you subservient to another entity. In the same way I don’t think Watain have ever apologized for giving a Nazi salute at a show once nor for titling their demo “Go Fuck Your Jewish “God”. I’m well aware one was their deliberate attempt to provoke a response and the later is not hiding from the idea that the same Christian god they hate is the same god in Judaism and Islam. As for D666 the extremist aspects I’ve only noticed around the time of their first album and they’ve pretty much never shown up since then. I find it perfectly believable whatever influenced him toward racial views is mostly gone and in truth he doesn’t owe me nor anyone else an explanation for if that happened or how. Would I like one? Sure, but it’s not required in my mind especially since it really hasn’t come up again in the last 16 years or so.

            I’m on the LGBT spectrum and I have some Jewish blood in me yet I’m fine listening to a lot of music (and enjoying art in general) that comes from people who may have or even directly do hate some aspect of me. Burzum, Death in June and Wagner are all a welcome relief to my ears. Just as I find a lot of Crust punk enjoyable but I don’t share their attitudes toward communism or veganism-animal liberation.

          • BobLoblaw

            The whole us of “blood” as some sort of unity is a common trope in NSBM and shows up in their most recent release. I never said anything about an apology but if he was completely divorced from those ideas he would at least bite his tongue if not offer a decent explanation. Instead he lashed out at anyone and everyond. I get that hes a dinosaur from another era but he should do like any other respectable closet bigot, keep it on the inside instead of waving it with pride.

          • The Wolf

            “The whole us of “blood” as some sort of unity is a common trope in NSBM and shows up in their most recent release.”

            Now that’s bullshit and looking for evidence where there is none. How often is “blood” used in a thousand metal bands from Slayer to Bathory to Cannibal Corpse.

            But hey let’s look and be scientific about this. I pulled up their lyrics and blood shows up 7 times (wow, that’s a whole lot, huh?)

            “Dogs lap the blood as the trees, drink the piss of the dead”
            “Traitor – My pelt your blood”
            “Crazed, let his hunger be fed, Death observes without a sound, As the blood seeps underground”
            “Gorging on blood and lust do I thrive, Starving dog running with hunger he learns to survive”
            “And in a torrent of blood we did come, upon this wicked world”
            “Faster than a bloody mace, Devil’s speed keepin’ pace”
            “I hear the baying howls of the mob, Scream for the blood of witches, Black clad servants, slave to God”

            Again…. bullshit.

          • The Wolf

            As for the rest of what you said you’re making claims of bigotry without a whole lot of evidence. Also, like I said earlier, this is a guy who is part of a philosophy of never holding your tongue, so of course he didn’t. Is he an old redneck who is going to upset anyone with clear politically correct lines? Yep. Is he going to lead a Neo-Nazi or KKK rally? Very, very unlikely.

          • BobLoblaw

            I apologize about the “blood” thing on the newest album I was mixing that up with somethjng i was reading about primordial in relation to them. Im not familiar with this band at all. My bad, but one look at the lyrics of “Hounds at ya back” is all I needed. “Eagles with iron wings” is another one of those common thinly veiled nazi nods.

          • Stellavore
          • BobLoblaw
          • Stellavore

            I suppose you can choose to read the lyrics to that song about “riding as kings” and somehow spin that as being supportive of Third Reich /s

            You could also read this interview with the band you’re not familiar with at all: http://www.bardomethodology.com/articles/2016/03/14/destroyer-666/

            “The only lyric that deals with current day gripes is “Hounds at ya back”, which assails the anti-biker laws implemented in the Australian state of Queensland.

            The theme of “Hounds at ya back” is the VLAD (Vicious Lawless Association Disestablishment Act 2013) laws, which are just one further step to the total surveillance state sweeping the western world.”

          • BobLoblaw

            The lyrics being slightly ambiguous its not hard to shift meaning as it suits you (interviews) and honestly quite clever. Go back to the most egregious lyrics on their first album and you see some reoccurring themes like brotherhood and be hunted. That us against the world mentality and mistrust in government are very common in hate groups.

          • Stellavore

            And punks and metalheads LOL

          • The Wolf

            “That us against the world mentality and mistrust in government are very common in hate groups.”

            Do you listen to Metal?

            I could pull up Dio, Manowar and Megadeth lyrics if you want.

            As for the first D666 album, yea, I wont deny there’s some racial attitudes expressed in some of the lyrics. But like I also said, they disappeared after that album (he also moved the band to Europe and they started touring internationally. Maybe he realized he could make friends with people of all sorts).

          • BobLoblaw

            There is a difference between something thats tongue and cheek or mostly just empty words and tired old thinly veiled NSBM rhetoric. Youre a fanboy only here due to your agenda so I am done talking with you.

          • The Wolf

            Good day to you Nazi-Witchfinder General.

          • BobLoblaw

            You too Mein Fuhrer.

          • Corpsesniffer

            “old thinly veiled NSBM rhetoric”

            Again. It’s CLEARLY a lyric about bikers. You’re making yourself look very, very stupid.

          • BobLoblaw

            And Mr. Tambourine Man is about a dude that plays a tambourine. Fuck off you nazi sympathizer. You have no place here or in the world.

          • Corpsesniffer

            “when you are a hammer, everything looks like a nail” applies to you in this instance. This band has had right-leaning stuff in the past… nearly 20 years ago to be exact. But this stuff going on now is really nothing, no matter how hard you want it to be.

            In general, I’m a veeeery left leaning guy on most issues. I’m against backwards thinking and truly treat everyone as they treat me and strive to see things thru others’ eyes. I despise conservative ideology… but this last week was the first time in my life I’ve understood the use of “SJW” as a negative term because of this silly witch hunt. You are really, really reaching for straws in this instance. It’s just too much, and actions like this will result in many more people being turned off of your cause than being drawn to it.

          • BobLoblaw

            You have no clue what cause if any I am supporting obviously.

          • Corpsesniffer

            Well, whatever it is you are supporting, I feel sorry for them.

          • Corpsesniffer

            Well, whatever cause you are supporting, I feel very sorry for them. It’s clear your elevator doesn’t go all the way to the top.

          • BobLoblaw

            Cool story bro. Glad we only have to deal with you nazi sympathizers when stuff like this comes up and you feel the need to create accounts all of a sudden to defend some shitty band no one cares about.

          • Corpsesniffer

            duuuuuuuuuuuude, give it up. You’re really grasping at straws here.

            Is the lyric in that song that they claim is about bikers that says “running wild on the streets” also a veiled NS call to arms? Or do you think that maybe, just MAYBE, you might be wrong on this one?

          • The Wolf

            Along with what Stellavore said… they take a lot of their imagery from Motorhead (guess what, D666 covered their song Iron Fist on this recent tour) which has a lot to do with the Hells Angels motorcycle gang type ethos (something Watain and a TON of metal bands do as well).

            You’re really fishing from Nazi links where there are none. This is exactly the complaint many have against MS and Antifa groups of them witch hunting (oh look, I see the devil’s mark on this witch’s bum… it’s a mole, but I say it’s the devil’s mark).

            Also, WOW. So you think Primordial are NS. That’s just even more ridiculous. Alan (who I’ve witnessed be a true gentleman) and the rest of those guys are nothing like that at all.

          • BobLoblaw

            Yeah, hells angels were known for their progressive ideals. Fuck off with that cop out. “Also, WOW” I never said anything about primordial being nazis just that I was reading something that mentioned both them and destroyer666.

          • The Wolf

            I don’t pretend to live in a world where everyone has to be full tilt progressive and I certainly don’t want authorities making people behave that way (Orwell warned us well enough).

            It’s not hard to think if you say “blood” somehow is often a metaphor for Nazi sentiment and then you switch from saying you were reading that regarding Primordial instead of D666 that you’re thinking that about Primordial. You’re a convoluted mess here dude.

          • Corpsesniffer

            “The whole us of “blood” as some sort of unity is a common trope in NSBM and shows up in their most recent release”

            Let’s try this again: the current lineup of D666 contains both a Jewish man, and a half Iranian/half Chilean man. Do you really think they’re trying to sell white brotherhood?

          • Scott

            Not to mention, the lyrics to ‘Traitor’ (some of which were quoted in his post) were written by an Asian woman.

            As well as the usage in ‘Wildfire’ of ‘bloody’ as an adjective, in the manner that Australians often use it rather than ‘blood’ in a literal sense.

            I realise that I’m replying to an old comment, but that’s relevant in terms of this supposed ‘white brotherhood’ the commenter alleges they’re pushing.

            Thanks for being rational.

          • Corpsesniffer

            “white supremacy imagery”

            WHAT? example please? a white wolf eating a deer? What color do you think deers are? I’ve never seen a non-brown one, personally.

  • CyberneticOrganism

    Gross

  • Dubbbz

    🙁

    • BobLoblaw

      Pretty much how I feel. Its crazy the shit people are comfortable saying when they get to know you or think no one is listening.

  • Óðinn

    Slut.

  • dan

    Black metal’s supposedly all about being offensive or something like that, why do they all freak out when people are offended by them?

    • Dave Vincent’s Perm

      The people who try the hardest to offend people are the ones who are the most easily offended.

      • dan

        Not contradicting you, but I think they’re just babies

  • Óðinn

    Keep on fighting, Warlsut. Someday you’ll win the battle of Facebook, tough guy.

    • Nearly pissed myself when he referred to posting somebody’s personal info on Facebook as “the war”

      Also he is really very short IRL

      • Corpsesniffer

        Yes, but he’s one of those short-but-tough guys that I’m sure could whoop most peoples asses.

  • Stockhausen

    Woooow.

  • The Wolf

    LA show was only half white if even that. Probably a third of everyone there was female as well. So seems plenty aren’t put off by what they’ve said.

    • I saw Cro-Mags a couple of years ago and John Joseph went on a giant tirade about 9/11 being an inside job. I don’t agree in the least bit but what could I do? I already bought the ticket and was watching the band.

      • The Wolf

        I didn’t exit interview everyone there but by the look of how many people stayed till 12:30 am to see them, were still there at the last song and were talking outside with a glow of happiness (save for actually a lot of people as well who didn’t get in due to it selling out but waited outside anyway), I’d say the vast majority enjoyed themselves.

        Side note: conspiracy theories drive me up the wall and it’s made me question how much I like a band, but at the end of the day the music usually wins out (Killing Joke is a fine example). I also find it far less alarming that artists have “problematic” views than people with actual power like politicians, broadcasters, billionaire business people and chiefs of police.

      • Corpsesniffer

        ////////whooooosh////////

  • Lord Ov Kapsko

    I’m not saying jews, but jews.

    • This comment is bad and not good.

    • The Wolf

      Ha, as a part Jew that actually made me laugh.

    • CyberneticOrganism

      *audible sharpness*

  • Kyle Reese

    Is the label rep’s comment really, “Talk Shit, Get Shot”?

    • Label owner. And yep, that was actually his comment.

      • Kyle Reese

        “I can’t comment as SOM” – says the sole owner. This makes me wonder if they have a corporate structure to speak of, and he really is trying to distance his opinion from people that might try to buy him out – or if he thinks people are so naive as to take his word that there’s a difference between him and the company he owns.

        • I think it was a half-assed cop out but it’s good to know where people stand, though. I know exactly where he stands now.

          • Kyle Reese

            For sure.

      • BobLoblaw

        Jesus thats sad.

  • Dave Vincent’s Perm

    As depressing as that shit is, it’s nice to see that there are fucking morons in every group of people, not just angry long-haired white men.

    • BobLoblaw

      Its depressing that people dont already realize because of their incredibly limited life experiences.

  • Corpsesniffer

    This article is HILARIOUS!!!! Destroyer haven’t been based out of Australia for something like 15 YEARS now, shows exactly how much of a position you are to be talking about this band. Secondly, one of the Destroyer members is of Jewish decent, and the bassist is half Chilean, half Iranian. Do you REALLY think Keith (KK warslut) is this big racist boogey man?

    He’s most likely not an angel, but I don’t blame him one bit for standing up to the straight up slanderous article in Invisible Oranges. My friend was standing directly next to this woman (he’s the “large, thick necked white guy” she refers to, and it’s his arm in the air in that lead picture of KK). He was in that spot the whole time and said there was NO Asian girl in that spot like Blair claims, and dozens of people confirmed that a drunk guy in that same area of the pit was howling “I love you KK” and KK replied “Too bad you’re not a hot CHICK”. This is clearly heard on the audio recording of the show as well. It was pointed out to IO, Metalsucks etc etc…. yet Metalsucks ran with it and titled the article “Destroyer666: Officially Racist D-Bags”. What kind of legitimate journalists don’t amend/retract things proven to them by dozens of people not to be true?
    Cowardly, shit stirring, click-money making slime balls do. Metalsucks has been in the business of running half baked witch hunts based on 4th party hearsay, conjecture, and flat out falsehoods for years now, all in the name of profiting from clicks. These dudes deserved EVERYTHING, and much more. It’s so satisfying to see their sleazy, unethical behavior come back and bite them in their ass. What a bunch of cowadly bottom feeding trash.

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  • bloodofmyenemies

    ‘Not to mention that, given D666’s Australian location’

    Four months later just feel like pointing out that Destroyer 666 haven’t been based in Australia for about 15 years,

  • EnricoIsPixelated

    I’m glad he called out the overly sensitive SJW culture I don’t care much for the racist bullcrap but snowflakes have been trying to enforce their will on metal lately and I for one will be happy for the day of the rope to come for all these people …. not literally though

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