Think Tank: Where Are All The Bands Influenced By Type O Negative?

3915
127
Share:

Unsuccessfully coping with the natural beauty of fading away.

In recent years, Type O Negative seem to have become the de facto autumn/fall band for the metal world. Their gothic sound and themes of sadness and death fit in well with the graying skies, dying leaves, and general sense of “ah, fuck everything.” It’s October? Time to listen to October Rust. It’s getting chilly out? Time to listen to Type O Neg and get bummed. Hungry for Cinnamon buns? Listen to their cover of “Cinnamon Girl”.

While I hesitate to say that Type O Negative are universally loved, they are very respected and well-liked by large swaths of the metal community. You always know when you’re listening to a Type O Negative song which is not something you can say for many metal bands. That can be attributed to many aspects of the band, whether it be Peter Steele’s unique and powerful voice, the creepy tone-setting keys of Josh Silver, the band’s ability to be slow and heavy and fast and vicious in the same song, or their undeniable sense of humor.

So how can a band so creative and beloved not have a legion of bands following in their footsteps? We hear all the time about newer bands being “Sabbath worship” or “Iron Maiden worship”. Even more contemporary and modern acts like Killswitch Engage clearly have younger bands aping their style and following their lead.

So where are the Type O Negative worship bands? It’s not like ToN were one-and-done for albums. They have an extensive discography, toured the world, and appeared on MTV when that still mattered. Same with appearing on the Howard Stern show and Jerry Springer. They created a theme song for the WWE wrestler Kane and have live report write-ups in Rolling Stone. I mean, they had an entire special on Headbanger’s Ball back in 1996. People all over the world know these “Four dicks from Brooklyn”.

A google search of “Bands that sound like Type O Negative” doesn’t yield a lot of good results. My Dying Bride? Danzig? Moonspell? Dark, brooding, and depressing bummer music to be sure, but do they really sound like Type O Negative? No, they don’t. We know they don’t, but it seems to be very difficult for people to peg down other bands that truly sound like Type O Negative.

The question that must be asked then is “Why are there no bands out there that sound like Type O Negative.” Is Peter Steele impossible to channel? Were they too funny? Was Type O Negative too unique? Is there nowhere else to go with that sound? Is the music just for cynical adults and that’s why young bands aren’t influenced by them? I’m not sure if there is a correct answer to that question.

While I wouldn’t want to see a new band come along and just copy everything that made Type O Negative great, I do feel that there has been a gap in the music world since Peter Steele’s passing 5 years ago. A band such as this shouldn’t just fade away. Will we ever see a return to that sound? Do we need a few more years before they’re considered “retro” and therefore deemed worthy to emulate? Are there bands out there already doing this, just waiting for the black lipstick and pale skin crowd to notice? Let me know.

Image VIA

Did you dig this? Take a second to support Toilet ov Hell on Patreon!
  • I am the type that is positive they have never heard any music by Type O Negative.

    Anyone have a recommendation?

    GL

    • Vote for Jeb

      bruh

    • Mvthvr Shvbvbv 8

      This was the song that got me into them and got me hooked on them for a while:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8rpm0Eue-o

    • Vote for Jeb

      You’re in for a treat. I think Bloody Kisses is their best, but I’m a big fan of Dead Again.

      • nbm02ss

        Agree w/ Bloody Kisses being their best:
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjPd0nGRnv0

      • Real drums on Dead Again as well which is a major PLUS.

        • Vote for Jeb

          Man, I freaking loved that album. They covered a lot of the past parts of their career, and to me, it sounds like it was written by a man reflecting on his entire life and finally finding peace.

          • That’s one of my favorites too by em. The sound of that album is what really sold me. Much more raw and punk much shown in the first song “Dead Again”. And the more doomy emotional side of Type O in “These Three Things”. Those 2 songs are incredible. But that whole abum in whole is pretty great.

          • RJA

            I’ll have to listen to that one – October rust was really the last one I spent any time with.

      • RJA

        Bloody Kisses the best for sure.

    • We have shared a lot of Type O Negative here. I’m kinda new to the band, but they’re awesome. Check them out!

      I have here October Rust and it rulz all the buttz.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xD5No_JRrZw

    • KJM, Doom Hunter General

      ‘World Coming Down’ = best Type O album

    • JamesGrimm

      The spring thaw moment on Christian woman is what finally made me a fan.

    • PostBlackenedWhaleGaze

      Start with Dead Again and/or October Rust. To me, those albums are their catchiest/riffi-est/heaviest stuff they’ve ever done

    • Jimmy Calhoun

      Probably one of the best “double shots” ever, even if one’s a cover…
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4FC1EEdY1s

      • Dude, welcome to the Toilet! And thanks for the rec!

        GL

  • Mvthvr Shvbvbv 8

    All of these bands lack the penile girth and fortitude of Penis Steele…I mean Peter. Peter Steele.

    • Óðinn

      Steele was a gay porn icon. That’s true.

  • Vote for Jeb

    I’ve been pondering this since you mentioned it to me the other day. I wonder if Type O was a band that sort of capitalized on right-place, right-time. Although there were still a lot underground bands, it seems that the 90s offered a sort of petri dish of melding styles and general jadedness. Type O appealed to that and all the Gen Xers shopping at Gen X and Hot Topic as well as the older metalheads who remembered their crossover roots. They appealed to a wide swath of people.

    Times have changed since then, with the underground going more extreme and the Hot Topic scene moving on more to metalcore. I don’t think the genre precludes a similar band emerging though, especially considering the popularity of retro-occult bands like Ghost.

  • KJM, Doom Hunter General

    I woke up on the morning of my 43rd birthday(4/14/10) to an FB feed full of “Peter Steele R.I.P.”. Now I’m reminded of it every birthday.

    This is a damned good question. The only band that I can think of that even has a Steele-esque vocal style is Throne.
    https://throne.bandcamp.com/album/where-tharsis-sleeps

    • That is a sad thing to associate with your birthday. Bummer

      • KJM, Doom Hunter General

        It is. Every year now on April 14 you see a shitload of Type O retrospectives and remembrances of Peter.

    • JamesGrimm

      Sucks.

      • KJM, Doom Hunter General

        Bigtime.

  • Nativian Taco

    It would be great if there were more bands influenced by Type O. I’ll be patiently waiting until a band has the same atmosphere and darkness as them.

  • Paddlin’ Rites ov Beargod

    There was one band in the unsigned competition. Not quite the same, but similar-ish vibes. I dug it, but can’t remember their name.

    • Vote for Jeb

      Autumns Eyes.

      • Paddlin’ Rites ov Beargod

        That’s the one.

    • NefariousDude

      I really dug autumns eyes

    • Autumns Eyes has a cover of “Love You to Death” and “Blood & Fire”. He also organized an entire tribute album to Peter after his passing. You can probably locate it through the autumnseyes.com site if you’re interested in bad Type O parodies.

  • RustyShackleford

    Fucking love TYPE O. I don’t really have an answer to this question though…but some of the former members did form a band called Seventh Void. Honestly I don’t think it’s very good but figured I’d share anyway! Yup. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrgNtSGYMiE

    • Vote for Jeb

      I don’t mind Seventh Void or A Pale Horse Named Death, but neither really captures the spirit of Type O.

      • RustyShackleford

        Agreed. Steele was such a unique songwriter + he had a very unique voice. Obviously no one really comes close, but no one seems to try to mimic him either haha

    • Paddlin’ Rites ov Beargod

      Their only album came out six years ago… Man, that’s long-ish. The other band these guys found, A Pale Horse Named Death got a little closer to the TypO-sound, but neither really got the spirit at all. Or the quality really.

      • JamesGrimm

        agreed.

      • PostBlackenedWhaleGaze

        Ya, A Pale Horse Named Death is actually the band of Type O’s original drummer from Bloody Kisses. He sings and plays guitar in it.
        While I love Kenny Hickey, Seventh Void is kinda boring and bland to me. He’s just missing is partner in crime, Peter…

  • Type O Negative had a very specific ‘vibe’. I don’t think I have encountered something similar in aesthetics, lyrical choice or music.

    I think there are bands like HIM that probably borrowed some elements of them, but not something like Sabbath-worships.

    Another reason probably would be because bass vocal range is very hard to find:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLfa5V0uF-Q

    • Paddlin’ Rites ov Beargod

      Quite funny actually, I think HiM has a strong Sabbath vibe at times, think of Venus Doom and Tears on Tape (especially Hearts at War and Into the Night) but indeed it is as you say and they never really sounded like TypO.

      • To be honest, I found Peter Steele name searching for Ville Vallo’s vocal range videos.

        I still think that HIM were huge on Type O Negative and they’re probably an influence, but I wouldn’t throw their name to answer the 365 question. The only aspect that is probably similar is the romantic lyrical topics, but not that much.

        I still value both vocalists (Steel and Vallo), it is weird to have baritones and bass singing in such a melodic way in metal music.

  • Jason Kolkey

    Though their style was different in a lot of ways, I saw Woods of Ypres as the worthiest successor to Type O. Too bad a car accident ended that band just as they were coming to fully explore an increasingly goth-influenced sound.

    • Vote for Jeb

      I was actually thinking of David Gold as having a similar approach.

      • Dagon

        I swear on my grandma that I had to reread thrice to make sure it wasn’t “Dave Grohl”.

        • Mvthvr Shvbvbv 8

          David Grohld.

        • Vote for Jeb

          You’ve been praising the No. 1 metal mascot too much.

          • Dagon

            I’ve been praising him since before the presidential medal. He is also a priest of the fish.

    • sweetooth0

      Yeah probably the closest band I can think of to Type O’s style.

  • Mr. Steele did have a one of a kind voice.

    • Nearly, or full, 4 octaves of vocal range, according to the video I linked in my previous comment. That’s impressive!

      • Teeth Full Of Nose Hair

        Especially for a bass baritone singer such as him.

    • Teeth Full Of Nose Hair

      Yep, kinda like a darker, more sinister version of Deine Lakaien’s singer. And more gravel-y.

    • JamesGrimm

      Dudes from Amorphis, moonspell and 69 eyes are the only ones comparable.

  • Matt Pike’s Sweaty Left Nipple

    King Dude channels Peter Steele & Type O with his vampiric, whiskey-soaked vocals and depressive lyrics about love, loss, depression, etc., but King’s much more post-punk and at times even Rockabilly, not really Goth per se. If you like Type O, you’ll probably dig King Dude as well. I do. This is one of my favorite songs of his–>
    https://youtu.be/BiSnI8vyxx0

    • Mvthvr Shvbvbv 8

      I hear more Michael Gira/Nick Cave than Type O.

      • Paddlin’ Rites ov Beargod

        You just sold me a King Dude.

        • Mvthvr Shvbvbv 8

          King Dude is good shit.

        • Dagon

          He rites gud moozik

      • Matt Pike’s Sweaty Left Nipple

        I hear Michael and Nick as well. It’s clear they’ve all had an influence on King Dude’s sound.
        Here’s a song from King’s latest release, the keyboards definitely remind me of Type O at times.
        https://youtu.be/5kiOQHwqqZQ

    • Based Pingu

      Yeah dude, King Dude is pretty good.
      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IjvYTPQ25-4

    • Óðinn

      Good point.

  • NefariousDude

    Love you to death is music to bang hot vampires chicks 2

    • Edward/Breegrodamus™

      NEFARIOUS

      • DUDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
        GL

  • COAL ROLL

    It’s because of those sweet sexy mustaches, obviously

  • Janitor Jim Duggan

    Just watched the Cinnamon Girl music video. Peter Steele was very muscular

    • Paddlin’ Rites ov Beargod

      Also a Giant.

    • Matt Pike’s Sweaty Left Nipple

      He did some jail time once for beating the shit out of a guy that grabbed his GF’s ass.

      • Dagon

        That’s a guy I wouldn’t want to get on a fist fight with. I wouldn’t want to be on the bottom bunk of his cell either…

        • Vote for Jeb

          Supposedly he used to actually play an upright bass like bass guitar when they would tour. He used a chain as a guitar strap.

          • Dagon

            Strong dude.

      • Teeth Full Of Nose Hair

        He definitely wouldn’t be anyone’s prison bitch!

    • Mvthvr Shvbvbv 8

      According to facts I heard somewhere, he had a fondness for TV dinners.

    • he liked showing off one particular muscle

      • KJM, Doom Hunter General

        He was another one who claimed to be unaware that Playgirl was read primarily by men.

      • Which muscle? WHICH?

  • RustyShackleford

    My favorite video from them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFwYJYl5GUQ

    • RustyShackleford

      Ya DAMN right that’s an upright bass he’s playing with like an electric with just a fucking rope tied around it. That’s how big of a dude he was!

      • Teeth Full Of Nose Hair

        Yep! I felt like a toddler shaking his hand. Motherfucker had frying pan sized hands in comparison to my scrawny digits!

  • Type O’s one of those bands that is in a category all their own. Some band from the future will tap into it and capture the vibe. That’s only thing I can think of.

    • Dagon

      I would honestly say no band sounds like Kyuss either. Seriously.

      • I think Kyuss have influenced quite a few bands but no one’s been able to carbon copy them yet.

        • Dagon

          And you know what just occurred to me? Acid Bath is a perfect example of a band worthy of Type O levels of uniqueness.

          • I think I wrote something along those lines when I did the groundbreakers thing. They’re on their own island for sure.

          • Dagon

            I know you did, that’s why I almost threw a *wink* *wink* in there. They’re one of my favorite bands with only two albums in the catalog, and you did them justice.

          • Thank you, I very much enjoyed writing that one.

        • Teeth Full Of Nose Hair

          Same with Cynic. Many have tried, but it’s a magic all their own that can’t be easily reproduced.

  • Dagon

    I listened to a ton of Type O when Boz passed, and I haven’t binged on them ever since. I think I’ll do just that for the rest of the week.

    RIP Boz.

    • Matt Pike’s Sweaty Left Nipple

      Cheers mate.
      Miss ya Boz.

  • Woods of Ypres and A Pale Horse Named Death are the two that come to mind in similarities to Type O Negative.

  • Never really listened to them before today. I don’t really like anything I’m hearing.

  • Vote for Jeb

    I had another thought when standing at the urinal. Rammstein seemed to capture, to my ears, a little of that gothic melancholy on some of their later albums, especially Liebe Ist Fur Alle Da. I think having such a strong vocal presence helps.

    • Teeth Full Of Nose Hair

      That song ‘Klavier’ definitely had it.

      • JamesGrimm

        or sonne.

  • “A’ight, check this out.”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Idfv4wyWfSs

    • CT-12

      I love this album, easily the darkest, but fairly underrated in comparison to the rest of their discography. Really experimental in parts, and I liked the Venom-esque rawness of this record. Can’t really go wrong with any of them though, can you?

    • Jimmy Calhoun

      “I KNOW YOU’RE FUCKING SOMEONE ELSE!”
      *backing vocals* “HE KNOWS YOU’RE FUCKING SOMEONE ELSE!”

      Classic, total classic…

  • Teeth Full Of Nose Hair

    Briefly met Peter Steele when I interviewed Moonspell years and years back. Nice guy, but he definitely wasn’t looking good at all. You could definitely tell the drugs took their toll. BTW, pic of me with Moonspell (speaking of bands influenced by TON):

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/geistimsturm/moonspell7.jpg

    • Based Pingu

      Are you that sadistic looking kid in the middle?

      • Teeth Full Of Nose Hair

        Yes, indeedly do!

  • RJA

    I think the voice is really the reason we haven’t seen the influence – hard to match that voice. I saw them after October Rust came out in 96 – there were maybe a few hundred people there at a club in Des Moines – some goth couple showed up in a hearse. Show was pretty bad ass.

  • Teeth Full Of Nose Hair

    One vocalist I can think of that sounds A LOT like Peter Steele is Adrian Hates (Diary Of Dreams).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aO5XrVdoebA

    • JamesGrimm

      its pretty good.

  • JamesGrimm

    I am heavily influenced by this man.

  • Waynecro

    I never got into Type O Negative. Just not my kind of jams, I guess, and the vocals didn’t do it for me. When I want to listen to something kind of morose, I go for Daylight Dies, Ghost Brigade, or Sentenced (though Sentenced can be a bit heavy on the cheese).

    • Matt Pike’s Sweaty Left Nipple

      I dig me some Daylight Dies, and they’re awesome live. I jammed some Sentenced back in the day as well. If you think they were cheesy, Poisonblack (the singer’s next project after Sentenced bit the dust) is straight-up fondue.

      • Waynecro

        I like a lot of Sentenced’s melodies and stuff, but the singing and lyrics definitely lean toward cheesy–or maudlin at the very least. I’ve never heard Poisonblack or eaten fondue. Perhaps I will have to change this.

  • TrickleDownOvTacoKvltRiff

    Great question.
    1. Unique compositional style by Peter. Non Formulaic.
    2. Unique vocals.
    3. Dat Bass tone
    4. Non Cheese organ

  • 1. Distorted bass riffs.
    2.
    3.
    4. Wolf Moon.

  • Qween Nefertiti Blanco

    As Far as the vocals go I’d say King Dude but when it comes to the goth, Slow , dark drab sound electric wizard would be my opinion…

    • welcome to the toilet!

      • Qween Nefertiti Blanco

        Why do u say that? Lol

        • Qween Nefertiti Blanco

          And I Really Like “Frown” They are AWESOME!!

      • Qween Nefertiti Blanco

        It just dawned on me lol Bc its called the “think tank”, lmao… I’m sorry my English sometimes is Alil off Bc in my house I grew up speaking Spanish so sometimes it may take a minute to process the meaning-especially when it’s in text form lmao…I was sitting here reading ur comments U guys rock though!! I love discussions like these especially rock /metal / goth it’s all I listen to !all my life I’ve loved it!!?????????☠⚰⚒

  • Jim Miller

    I’m asking the same question. We’re hardly writing the world on fire, and we’re definitely not copying Type O, but I hear a lot of people say that my band, The Grey Curtain, sounds like them. That’s interesting because, in both the vocals and keyboards, we’re definitely heavily influenced by them, but we’re not really doom music.

    But I could ask the same question about Nine Inch Nails, and they’re a LOT bigger than Type O. I think part of the answer is definitely that the keyboards are unique, and expensive. Most piano players I know are in pop, funk, or R&B bands. Most “synth” people are more into dance stuff, or Berlin-style Eurorack stuff. A metal/hard rock band with a keyboardist is hard to find.