Tech Death Thursday: Ouroboros Time!

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Today, we’re talking about Ouroboros.  Try not to eat your own tail.

Before I go into detail, here is my favorite song by them:

Dat outro amirite?  I love this band.  I love how they manage to stay tech-death and at the same time incorporate thrash.  Most of all I love the guitar.  No other band I have heard has a guitar sound quite like this.  The way it just seems to snake in and out of the pores of my mind…GOD DAMN!  These Aussies released their debut album Glorification of a Myth independently back in 2011.  They are believed to be recording new material right now and I hope to god that it drops this year.  You can check them out and bug them for new material on their facebook.  I leave you with another badass song from that album.

  • Scrimm

    This is really good. Kinda like early Decapitated on crack. Thanks for this!

    • I concur! I also concur with Jack’s assessment of how “they manage to stay tech-death and at the same time incorporate thrash”

      Very tasteful!

      GL

      • Haha I have a lot more bands to post eventually. The hardest thing is trying to decide which band to post for the current week lol.

        • Captain Ron Rico

          Decide fast, that’s a strong current coming

          • I’m Jack Bauer, the current will obey me.

    • You are welcome good sir.

  • Matt Damon

    MATT DAMON

    • KURT RUSSELL

      • I worship Kurt Russell.

        • Tyree

          Snake Plissken

          • Great fucking movie.

          • Tyree

            He did some awesome movies in the 80’s. Big Trouble in Little China and The Thing are some of my other favorites with him.

          • W.

            Isn’t Escape from New York basically an adaptation of Metal Gear?

          • Pretty sure Solid Snake was based on Kurt Russell’s character.

          • CONAN THE MOTHERFUCKING KING

            it came out in 81.

          • W.

            Thanks! I really couldn’t remember which came first and was too lazy to google it.

          • Scrimm

            The Thing is one of the greatest movies ever made. I love Big Trouble in Little China too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvYEdmW47gQ

          • Howard Dean

            Lo Pan, mothefuckers! Byah!

          • Tyree

            With light coming out of his mouth!!!

          • W.

            The Thing is in my list of top horror/sci-fi films.

          • Scrimm

            It still holds up well today. I like the game too.

          • W.

            The FX are so gross and perfect.

          • Xan

            It is near the top in my horror/sci-fi films as well. It is only topped by Alien.

          • W.

            I can’t decide whether I like Alien or Aliens more. They’re very different films.

          • Xan

            I like them both very well. Aliens didn’t scare me nearly as much as Alien when I watched them. I’d say I like them about equally.

          • KJM

            His best besides The Thing.

        • CONAN THE MOTHERFUCKING KING

          he was awesome in the grossly underated death proof too.

      • W.

        Kerfluffel

      • Captain Ron Rico

        RON RICO

    • M Shadows!

    • AC’S FP

    • CHRISTIAN BALE

  • I’ve always been more of a stoner metal kind of person but the toilet keeps giving me all this techdeath and I really enjoy it

    • Xan

      Same here. Old school death metal and doom/stoner are my usual jams but I’m enjoying that I am getting to listen to some great tech death.

    • Sponge Of Mystery

      saaaamesies

    • Lord Ov Kapsko

      All this tech death is just a filler for us waiting for the day, the day when our prophet Mvhammed Svicmez will descend from heavens and bring a new albvm, containing 10 top qvuality tracks. Although if this day may ever happen, our hearts must be clean from sin ov deathcore, and all emmure music must be erased from pages ov history.

    • Lacertilian

      These guys, Psycroptic & King Parrot are really flying the flag down here for us Aussies.

      • BobLoblaw

        Ne Obliviscaris as well

        • Lacertilian

          Haven’t heard them before from memory, I’ll have to check them out. Cheers!

          • bobloblaw

            Sweet progressive/tech metal with violin. There are clean vocals but still pretty damn sweet.

      • & The Beach Boys

  • Just started listening to these guys recently.

    ᴵ ᶫᵒᵛᵉ ʸᵒᵘ ᴶᵃᶜᵏ⋅

  • This is great! I definitely hear the thrash element more so than the weedily-weedily stuff. And yes dat guitar tone and production quality are awesome!

    • Cock of Steele

      Thrash element=Definitely a much needed plus these days.

      • Always a good thing!

      • Dental_Damnation

        You’re speaking ma language!

  • Howard Dean

    Pretty decent stuff.

    I don’t listen to a ton of tech death. My listening window for music is more limited nowadays than it used to be (pounding those streets for that middle-America vote, ya heard dat!), and frankly, tech death is usually near the bottom of the list for new stuff I want to check out, old stuff I want to revisit, or classics to which I want to jam out and growl along. But a track here or there is a good enough fix.

    Oh, and waiting for the new Necrophagist. That got old five years ago.

    • New Necrophagist will be a let down when it comes out, the amount of hype around it is enough to be it’s downfall. Also, bands like Archspire have beat them at their own game anyway.

      • Christian Molenaar

        I try to stay out of it when you talk them up but I can’t hold myself back: Necrophagist>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Archspire

        • I’ll be honest, Necrophagist bores me at this point. I have found so many other tech death bands that incorporate more than just widdly widdly doodly that they don’t interest me at this point.

          • Do you play guitar?

          • I want to learn but I can never find the time or the money.

          • I’m with you Jack. I talk myself out of it because I suck at everything and “I’M TOO OLD IT’S TOO LATE.”

          • I’ve been playing since I was 13. I’ve only become decent at the thing in the last 2 years. I’m 26.

          • Every time I think about it I look at the dudes in revocation or something and become depressed, because by the time I get that good it will b too late.

          • Negrodamus

            Revocation is pretty tight, and correct me if I’m wrong but I am pretty sure one of them dudes is in Artificial Brain!

          • You are correct.

          • You are correct.

          • Scrimm

            That’s me except I got a few years on you. it wasn’t until a few years ago I got decent at it. Being forced into the role due to lack of bandmembers tends to make you better.

          • Max

            I didn’t start playing drums UNTIL I was 26 and I still suck! It’s been a wonderful journey.

          • Howard Dean

            I know this wasn’t at all your tone, and I know it’s not what you meant, but when I read this, I couldn’t help but think: “Bro, do you even shred?!”

          • HA! I just figured that serious guitar players would be the type to get into tech death. It’s not my thing but I’m also not a serious guitar player.

          • Negrodamus

            That’s how I feel about bands like Behold… The Arctopus. I bet most of their fans are musicians but I really can’t be sure cause I don’t know any of them…

          • Christian Molenaar

            I’M RIGHT YOU FUQQ

          • Negrodamus

            Uh… I’m not sure what we are talking about at the moment lol

          • Christian Molenaar

            I’m saying you do, in fact, know a Behold the Arctopus fan.

          • Negrodamus

            Oh right, at least two apparently.

          • W.

            I like ’em.

          • Negrodamus

            To be fair I only checked out a couple of Youtube vids but it seems like over the top playing and wankery (like you guys are talking about on here!), but I should give them another go…

          • Christian Molenaar

            Do that at once.

          • Negrodamus

            I will after work today. I’m at work like normal. Work, work, work.

          • Christian Molenaar

            Then you’ll get home and listen to Whitehouse.

          • Negrodamus

            I checked out some Whitehouse on Youtube but to be honest I was having a little trouble finding full albums of theirs…

          • Christian Molenaar

            Full albums aren’t really important, they basically all sound the same haha. Just listen to random songs on Youtube, like this one that has a nice lyrics video:
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CTbycx2Pfo

          • Negrodamus

            I suppose full lengths have less today with appreciating variety and more to do with endurance and some kind of metal instability lol. I checked out that whole Sutcliffe Jugend (cause it was on the ‘Tube). I recently checked out the first Prurient record, and some time in the past I actually listened to Cocaine Death which sounded vaguely like black metal but recorded under about five quilts. Swallowing Bile is BRUTAL.

          • Christian Molenaar

            I really only listen to music as full albums, but most of Whitehouse’s material sounds the same so it’s not important. Just check out tracks from each and see what you think, I guess. I’m happy to hear you’ve checked out more Swallowing Bile, definitely check out the Whitehouse track I posted above (if you haven’t heard it already) for something in a similar vein. What did you listen to by him?

          • W.

            Oh, I checked out Of Earth and Sun. Me gusta.

          • Christian Molenaar

            Very nice! Will we be getting a review from you?

          • W.

            Hmm. I should write one. Are you in the band?

          • Christian Molenaar

            Nope, it’s just this one guy named Matt. If you want I can hook you up with an interview.

          • W.

            That would be fun. Let me listen again, and I’ll probably write something up.

          • I’ll take Necrophagist’s 2 ground-breaking records over rehashed, brickwalled, overproduced swill focused more on technicality than songwriting.

            That being said, this Ouroboros ain’t so bad.

          • Christian Molenaar

            I had a long response written but you said it for me. In addition to the obvious technicality, there was an obvious intelligence at play in Necrophagist’s music that I just don’t hear in most modern techy bands, and (get this) they were actually heavy!
            Archspire’s album fell victim to way too much hype for me. 4 or 5 people all told me how great it was and how I’d love it and it’s pretty much everything I don’t like in metal. Boring harmonized diminished riffs, boring minor chord sweeping, boring overplayed drums…nothing stood out to me, whereas I can still listen to either one of Necrophagist’s albums and be entertained, years after I heard them.

          • W.

            I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Songwriting trumps EVERYTHING in metal. I can’t tell you how many technical/prog bands I’ve listened to before that I got bored during because they have no songs. That’s why I don’t really like groups like Tesseract. It’s just a boring album of wankery and whiney vocals with no good songs.

          • Oh thank god, I thought I was the only one that wanted to strangle that band….ahem, sir.

          • Xan

            I dislike Tesseract with a passion. It is so fucking boring.

          • Max

            I’ve elaborated before and I’ll elaborate again:

            Competent mastering will never repair poor mixing. Great mixing cannot save bad recording. Professional recording will never save a lacklustre performance. And great performance will never compensate for uninspired songwriting.

            And great songwriting will never be hampered by any of those things.

          • W.

            You said it, Max.

      • Howard Dean

        I agree. They essentially created the genre (with help from a few OSDM bands who loved the techy/jazzy shred), but have sat dormant for so many years now, I can’t help but feel they’ve been bypassed and bested. But who knows? Maybe Muhammad will deliver a monster (I’m more inclined to believe that he’ll deliver a pile of lukewarm shit or nothing at all).

        • Hey, anything is possible, I mean look at Gorguts or Carcass. Still though, not gonna hold my breath.

        • Negrodamus

          … I always thought Death was credited with creating the tech-death subgenre?

          • Howard Dean

            To quote myself from 6 minutes ago:

            “…with help from a few OSDM bands who loved the techy/jazzy shred)”

            (Death was implied in my response. Their albums Human and ITP were huge influences/potential starting ground for tech death)

          • W.

            Symbolic you filthy governor.

          • Howard Dean

            Spritual Healing, you equally filthy governor/president/baseball team owner.

            P.S. I’m not jealous that you got to be president. AT ALL.

          • W.

            What if I gave you my backing for the Dean/Flair ’16 campaign? I’m good buddies with Clinton too, so I could probably get him in.

          • Clinton was a better president than you. There, I said it. sir.

          • W.

            @James_Jimmy_McNulty:disqus, I’m giving you five minutes alone with a bound Jack Bauer in the interrogation room. I can do that, because President.

          • HA! You know how many times I have been tortured? What is Mcnulty gonna do?

          • W.

            Tickle you. And let Sophie tickle you.

          • My god…you maniacal motherflusher

          • Howard Dean

            Deal. Ric and I have already made deals with the Devil, Showtime!, XM Radio, Vince McMahon, and Swaziland, so we’d welcome you and Billy Clinton on board with open arms.

            Dean-Flair in ’16! Byah!

          • W.

            Byyyyyaaaahhh for nucyular arms!

          • Howard Dean

            Damn right! We’ll threaten the world with our nucyular arsenal and find out once and for all the answer to this most nascent question: is our children learning?

          • W.

            Roll coal! No child left behind!

      • Nordling Rites Ov Karhu

        The first one was a let down. Some of my friends were huge fans and introduced me to it after hyping it for months, I still find it one of the worst tech-death albums ever made.

    • they’ll never release new stuff :/

      • Dean the P.I. Staker

        Necromancing the old TDT!

        I agree. It’s been too long now. And if they ever do release anything, people will likely be massively disappointed.

  • YourLogicSucks

    Sweet. Always looking forward to expanding my limited tech-death knowledge. On a side note, anyone here watch the Netflix original show Hemlock Grove? The ouroboros symbol plays a large part in the story, its a pretty metal show, gore wise.

    • W.

      I’ve got an Ouroboros tattoo.

      • LAMENTATIONS OF THE WOMEN

        Damn man, AND your’re a coal roller? How does Lubbock handle all that baddassery?

        • W.

          This town’s only big enough for one of us.

  • Link D. LeonhⒶrt V.

    listened a couple of years ago.. thanks for remind me these crazy australians tech-deaths

  • LAMENTATIONS OF THE WOMEN

    I literally put this on my Spotify before coming over here to fuck off for a few after getting some work done. Crazy. Jack Bauer, you know the Riddle of Steel.

    • Of course I do. I have only saved the world a thousand times.

      • LAMENTATIONS OF THE WOMEN

        (adds Jack Bauer to list of heros)

      • Dear Jack Bauer,

        Would you welcome a Thursday Tech Death contribution from someone other than yourself?

        -JJM

        • On the condition that you are sober. Also, if you post Brain Drill we are gonna have a talk in the interrogation room.

          • I like Brain Drill. It’s so stupid and great.

          • No doubt they are talented but it’s just pure wankery in my opinion. Although I can tolerate the second album more than the first.

          • Count_Breznak

            While I like them, the drumming is fucking boring. Either get more creative, or go full gravityblast.

          • i can be sober just long enough to write it.
            interesting…i was definitely planning on mentioning said band in the article. but it won’t be about them.

          • Hmm color me intrigued.

  • KJM

    I like it, very thrashy.

  • Randall Thor

    This scratches none of my itches. To me, the guitar tone is weak for the style of the music, and I haven’t heard any riffs that particularly impress me. The guitar tone sounds nice during the instrumental sections, but the vocals/guitar tones clash heavily to my ears. Also, what’s up with the vocal production? It sounds really dry, I don’t know how else to put it. Maybe listening to the entire album will give me a greater appreciation?

    tl;dr less noodling, more riffs pls.

    • I respect your opinion, but I disagree.

      • Negrodamus

        One more reason the ToH is >>>>>>>>>

      • Randall Thor

        Sometimes I just wish all death metal sounded like old school Swedish death metal.

        • All the time*

        • Howard Dean

          However, in my opinion, OSDM from US > OSDM from Sweden.

          ‘merica.

          • But… but… Dismember…

          • Howard Dean

            Dismember=awesome; however, Morbid Angel>Dismember.

          • This is like Sophie’s choice. No one should have to pick.

          • LETS NOT BE SO HASTY.

          • Nordling Rites Ov Karhu

            Never got to Morbid Angel, never liked one album from them. I do wonder why

          • Howard Dean

            Try Altars of Madness, Blessed are the Sick, or Covenant. Total death. Total awesomeness.

          • Captain Ron Rico

            Covenant=best damn album ever Boss. I don’t give two shits about what the landlubber ultra metal guys say about Altars, Covenant is MA’s finest hour. Just don’t play Angel of Disease for the women in Trinidad, else they think you’re actually giving them another disease.

          • Howard Dean

            Damn straight! God of Emptiness, motherfucker! Byah!

            BOW TO ME FAITHFULLY, BOW TO ME SPLENDIDLY!

          • W.

            Gateways to Annihilation, bro.

          • try Illud Divinum Insanus.

          • LAMENTATIONS OF THE WOMEN

            InstaGIB!

          • Nordling Rites Ov Karhu

            I did, I’m still recovering

          • Scrimm

            NEVER!

          • Howard Dean

            (almost) Always!

            I won’t even pretend to defend Illud Divinum Insanus.

          • Negrodamus

            USA! USA! USA!

          • Randall Thor

            Look, we’ve got the DM capital of the world here in America, and pretty much pioneered the genre. No doubt, America is a death metal powerhouse.

            But compared to Dismember, Unleashed, Entombed, Edge of Sanity, Vomitory, Grave, etc? Nothing beats that DIRTY hm-2 swede tone and groovy riff style that ends up in 12/8 half the time.

            EDIT: As long as we agree on OSDM master race at the end of the day, I’m content.

          • Howard Dean

            Morbid Angel, Death, Obituary, Autopsy, Suffocation, Ripping Corpse, Cannibal Corpse, Deicide > Dismember, Unleashed, Entombed, Edge of Sanity, Vomitory, and Grave

          • Randall Thor

            I was typing out a big argument about HOW WRONG YOU ARE, but then I figured that it really comes down to preference. If you prefer a bit more thrash in your death metal, go American. If you prefer more chunks of gore in your guitar tone/death metal, go Swedish.

          • W.

            I think I’m in the American camp, mostly. But we can all be friends.

          • Randall Thor

            Like I said earlier, OSDM master race forgives all sins.

          • Christian Molenaar

            To quote Conan, “OSDM is great even when it’s bad”

          • Howard Dean

            Well, I actually love chunky DM, too, but I’m afraid the NY/Northeast scene does it better than Sweden. Suffocation, Broken Hope, Dying Fetus, Skinless, etc. That camp brings the chunks of gore better than Sweden for me.

            Also, I left out an entire camp in my USA > Sweden rant. Immolation, Incantation, oh my!

          • Randall Thor

            At this point, we are going to disagree until we deconstruct our conflict to find the source of our disagreement, so it may be better to call it day here.

          • Howard Dean

            Agreed (to disagree). 🙂

            And with that, let’s all please enjoy this live footage of Morbid Angel in ’89. You could run the Bellagio for a night with the energy in that room.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_9rhdIWA4A

          • Randall Thor

            I just saw Nocturnus play this song at MDF. It was swell

          • Howard Dean

            One of my favorite MA tracks. Killer. I’m obsessed with this live version. Incredible that they were killing it to this degree (both live and on albums) in 1989.

          • Xan

            Plus some of the great B, C, and D class acts such as Nocturnus, Master, Phantasm, Rottrevore, Immolation, Massacre, Malevolent Creation, Baphomet, and Cianide.

          • Howard Dean

            This man/mushroom cloud knows. Master and Rottrevore! Byyyyyyyyyyaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh!

          • Max

            Argue all you want; they’re valid points. But aside from these competing American and Swedish teams, let’s not forget that the UK managed to put an almost equal stamp on OSDM by way of virtually just one band: The Mighty <>

          • Howard Dean

            Bolt Thrower > Carcass

          • Max

            I knew somebody’d say that.

          • Scrimm

            This X 1000

          • …you’re not wrong

        • LAMENTATIONS OF THE WOMEN

          I find myself listening Pagan Prosperity over and over and over and over

  • Flushgod Apocalypse

    ALL HAIL JACK BAUER AND HIS SUPERB KNOWLEDGE OF TECH-DEATH!!

    I know I’ll have a new band to blab to my friends about every Thursday.

  • Further Down the Metal Hole

    THAT WAS INCREDIBLE! SORRY FOR THE VOLUME, CAN’T EVEN HEAR MY OWN VOICE OVER THE SOUND OF HOW AWESOME THIS IS!

  • Captain Ron Rico

    Shit boss I might go back to Australia just to see these guys live. Haven’t been back since the boat went down off that really big reef that spans the whole coastline.

  • Guppusmaximus

    I guess this comment could get posted in the Power Metal article as well because my overall distaste for most of the new bands in any Metal associated genre is based on the production values. The instruments sound so generic. Everything sounds like a fucking tool launched in a VST.

    In regards to this band, where the hell is the bass guitar? The guitar tone sounds shallow and the drums sound triggered as fuck. Seriously, AJFA got so much slack for lacking bass lines… Just my .02

    • I think it’s most likely because most of these guys are recording by plugging directly into an AxeFx or something, as opposed to actually recording the sound coming out of an amplifier. But what I just said could be COMPLETE bullshit because I don’t really know a lot about this stuff.

      • JWG

        I thought AxeFX was a frat-boy deodorant until this prompted me to Google it.

        This explains so many confusing conversations.

      • Guppusmaximus

        I’m no production genius either but you are correct that they aren’t recording from an Amp into a mic.

      • Max

        I really miss the days when we used to hear weird guitar and drum sounds in death metal all the time because of limited studio budgets / not mic’ing an amp up correctly / etc.

        I feel that AxeFX and its ilk should be the last resort, not the first one.

    • Randall Thor

      I totally get what you mean about overproduction/sterile sounding production on modern metal. It’s a problem, there’s a lot of crappy power metal out there (really, metal in any genre) that suffers from this problem.

      • Guppusmaximus

        Yea, I really do try to get into most of this stuff and even if there is some tunes I dig eventually they get weeded out of my playlist because I can’t stand that “environment-less” sound. I remember when people complained about the “muddiness” on Individual thought Patterns and I always thought, “But that’s what instruments really sound like”.

        • W.

          Neuraxis’s last album sounded like it was recorded by machines in a vacuum.

  • JWG

    All this tech death, uninterrupted, is #1 on my list of reasons I vastly prefer it here to That Other Blog.

    I’m pretty sure at the beginning of this year (or the end of the last one) one of their crew, probably Vince, claimed to have high expectations for tech death in the following year then promptly never mentioned it again – including entirely ignoring the steady stream of Archspire news I brought to their attention until finally mentioning them briefly in a STCOT. More emphasis like this will definitely solidly differentiate TOH without ever having to mention Those Other Guys directly.

    …That and convincing Grim Kim that their remaining readership really don’t deserve her (Exhibit A: the vile stuff being said of her in comments on that DragonForce apologist piece by Axl; and that the most negative comments about her have the most guest votes).

  • Dental_Damnation

    I’ve been listening to this album for the last 3 years. I was fortunate enough to stumble on them early. Some of the best thrash/death I’ve heard.

  • Kazz

    In 2012, these guys got a $20,000 government grant from the Australia Council of the Arts to record their next album. Which is pretty cool. I wonder how close they are to actually finishing said album.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/arts/music/australia-council-recognises-artistic-merits-of-death-metal/story-fn9d2mxu-1226361642287?nk=b2f5a5da5d2ea5e1c81fb0a1fc076dfe

    • Randall Thor

      I don’t like their music, but that’s amazing and I wish them the best/success!

    • Lacertilian

      It really pissed off alot of conservatives, in particular radio jocks who thought the money shouldn’t go to what they didn’t consider ‘art’, instead championing ballet to get the grant for the forftieth time.
      (n.b. – ‘forfty’ is an integer between 40 & infinity)

  • This isn’t my usual cup of tea but these guys sound pretty decent TBH.

  • MetalSucksSucks

    More tech death pls

    • MetalSucksSucks

      Much more pls.