Sunday Sesh – Narrow it Down

 

If you could only listen to ONE genre of metal, which would it be?

Here’s a fun thought process:

Anybody who calls themselves a “metalhead” can probably claim that if every other style of music disappeared, they’d get by okay.

But what if all but one sub-genre of metal disappeared? If you had to go to a desert island and could only take your CDs or file-playlist from one sub-genre of heavy metal – just one – which would it be?

For me, this dilemma is actually pretty easy. It’d be death metal, no question. That decision has as much to do with sentimentality and personal taste as it does with critical reasoning and musicological considerations:

1) Death metal is the first style I got into when I started discovering metal and still comprises a considerable part of my record collection. I’d be able to take a lot more CDs to the island.

2) It’s an “active” genre – new bands are still being formed, new albums are still being released, and new developments in the music are still being made. (Of course, these days there aren’t really any “dead” sub-genres of heavy metal even if some – like late ‘60s acid rock or nu-metal – are kind of dormant. But a lot of them survive as revivalist genres which aren’t boasting new developments or crossovers.) So if the island has broadband, I’ve still got plenty of interesting new music coming my way.

3) There’s plenty of sub-sub-genres and microgenres within death metal to give it quite a bit of variety: melodeath, brutal/slam, tech-death, skronk, deathcore, OSDM, goregrind…(in fact at one point even black metal was kind of a sub-genre within death metal, though admittedly those days are long gone).

4) For a style which has such a reputation for orthodoxy, death metal is surprisingly diverse, and the “rules” are a lot looser than many appreciate. Specifically, if somebody asked you to describe death metal, you’d nominate characteristics like detuned guitars, blast beats, and atonal vocals, right? In fact, neither blast beats nor detuned guitars are actually mandatory; there are several prominent death metal acts that never used either. Even singing is allowed in limited doses – as is unconventional instrumentation if required. The production values go from “authentically” lo-fi to “professionally” faked-out and all points betwixt. The lyrics go from the personal to the political; from the metaphysical to the biological.

Conversely, choosing death metal is made even easier by considering the reasons behind all the other genres I wouldn’t choose:

1) Metalcore: I already can’t stand this genre, generally.

2) Power Metal: I already can’t stand this one either, generally.

3) Nu-metal: I already can’t stand this one either, generally.

4) Gothic metal: I already can’t stand this one either, generally.

5) Folk metal: And nor can I stand this one either, generally.

(Look, it’s nothing against any of these genres objectively; whether I personally like them or not. Each one of the above genres does actually boast a few songs or even albums I really enjoy. But if I’m going to take only one genre, it’s gotta have a whole lot of bands that I like; not just a few songs.)

6) Traditional heavy metal / hard rock: Much of it just sounds too out-of-date to me. Which is no problem at all if the songwriting’s good… otherwise, it’s just a museum piece. There’s no question that some of the ‘70s classics have a proven timeless appeal – I STILL don’t get bored listening to “Stairway to Heaven,” “War Pigs” or “The Boys Are Back in Town” – but if I’m going to spend the rest of my life only listening to one genre, I’d at least like to pretend that I don’t know what a song is going to do next when listening.

7) NWoBHM: Again, a little before my time. I’m not even that much of an Iron Maiden fan, as much as I do sincerely respect them.

8) Grindcore: Not enough scope. There’s only so much you can do with songs under two minutes.

9) Groove metal: Pretty much one of those relatively “dead” genres at this point; so there wouldn’t be much contemporary music available. And I was never really into it back in the ‘90s.

10) Djent: By definition it’s basically a riff-type and a time-signature; so again – not enough variety within the style.

11) Thrash metal: One of the “greater” genres (as opposed to one of the decidedly “lesser” genres like glam metal or deathcore), thrash admittedly does have a wide and respectable tradition. But again – for me it’s a bit dated. Slayer’s the only thrash band I’ve ever been a rabid fan of, and I mainly see it as an ancestor of death metal which was made redundant by its descendent. The thrash bands which don’t follow that darker lineage – such as speed metal or the crossover acts – have never really interested me much.

12) Doom metal: A long-standing and still-active genre; but generally a much more orthodox one and therefore kind of dated too. Plus I do tire of slow tempos pretty quickly; and I tend to prefer songs under six minutes.

13) Industrial metal: Too hit-and-miss, quality-wise.

14) Post-metal: Some interesting stuff happens under this banner; but again, there’s just not quite enough scope for my liking, and also not enough up-tempo material. (A disturbingly large proportion of it seems to be instrumental, too; which has had the significant effect of teaching me how much I prefer music with vocals, curiously.)

15) Sludge: Ditto 14.

16) Glam metal: In retrospect there was actually some decent playing and songwriting in glam; but there was also a shit-ton of crap. Plus, like a lot of people I was never able to get past the whack imagery. And it goes without saying that it’s one of those dead genres, Steel Panther’s efforts notwithstanding. I haven’t got any glam CDs in my collection unless you count Van Halen.

17) Black metal: Like thrash, one of the “greater genres” in its own right; but one which to this day I have always regarded as a less-reliable adjunct of death metal boasting on average a slightly lower level of quality control (at least most of the time). Like death metal, black metal spends (or at least has spent in the past) a lot more time at the cutting edge than other heavy metal sub-genres, which keeps it fresh and exciting. But in my experience, it simply doesn’t deliver as often; and it goes without saying that it’s slightly more of an acquired taste. Plus, I really fuckin’ hate the symphonic ones. (Emperor, Cradle of Filth and Burzum are the only three conspicuously keyboard-oriented black metal bands I’ve ever gotten into to any extent.) I tend to visit the pawnbroker with CDs I found underwhelming, and I’ve sold a lot more black metal CDs over the years than I have death metal ones. So as close a contest as it may be, I’d still choose death metal over black metal if I had to.

18) Prog metal: As we’ve previously discussed here on the Toilet, “progression” can be found anywhere in metal, but for the purposes of using the term to denote Dream Theater / Fates Warning / Rush-type fare: There’s a lifetime of great stuff under this umbrella; but again – for me personally it’s very hit-and-miss. Plus, I tend to prefer metal which musically makes a statement rather than exploring the lack of one. I’ve long felt that the more “progressive” a band gets, the less “metal” they become; and I’ll stay on this side of the fence for the foreseeable future.

So that’s it, basically! Over to you: Commit to a sub-genre, and tell us why – and why not everything else?

Note: I do acknowledge that some may think I’m cheating by choosing “death metal” broadly rather than selecting more specifically from among tech, melo-, brutal, etc. I’ll respect that accusation if it’s leveled at me. Hey – if you can pin your choices onto one specific microgenre and give us an extensively cogent explanation why, you’ll win the Toilet today, for sure! But for the general purposes of the rules, let’s assume that by “specific metal sub-genre”, we mean anything which boasts its own Wikipedia entry (which “Death Metal” does the last time I looked); rather than just a paragraph within an existing entry (which is all “Melodic Death Metal” has, the last time I looked).

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  • Dubs

    I think I’d probably have to go with death metal as well, though black metal would be a close second. In my opinion, these two genres offer a much greater diversity in style than the others, thus ensuring that I wouldn’t get bored on my island sojourn.

    • Dubs

      Moreover, if I had to narrow it down to a specific strain of death metal, I guess I’d say dissonant death a la Gorguts, Mitochondrion, Artificial Brain, etc. So much intricacy on display that I could get lost in each record for days.

      • Gimme Kawaii Toast, Honey Buns

        As much as I like it, I have to give it a break after an hour or two. A lot of it just seems to sound alike. But when done right, like Gorguts or AB, it’s a thing of true beauty.

    • Max

      Do you remember – last year I think it was – when Metalsucks counted down the 30 greatest metal bands ever as voted by “industry insiders”? And then, they repeated the poll but with their own readers participating?

      And Death was voted the No.1 greatest metal band of all time.

      I was surprised at first. But the more I thought about it, the more sense it made. Starting from the first Sabbath album, metal’s been around for 45 years now. Death metal’s been around for more than half that time, even if we estimated its Year Zero as 1990 (which it isn’t). So for one thing, the time-frame encompasses most of the people across generations who would still be active listeners.

      Moreover, the history of metal since then has basically been the history of how extreme metal went from being considered a novelty side-branch to being the central focus of how heavy metal develops and “measures” itself musically. Most non-metal listeners today, when stereotyping the sound of metal, tend to reach for the “Cookie Monster” personification rather than a style closer to (say) Axl Rose, which is what they would have cited a couple of decades ago.

      Astonishing for a style which most practitioners thought was going to be all wrapped up by ’95 or so. So in a way, why WOULDN’T Death be considered the greatest, at this point?

      • Dubs

        I remember thinking the industry poll went exactly as expected, but, like you said, I think it has a lot to do with the convergence of younger and older metalheads.

      • Boss the Ross

        I was definitely pleasantly surprised by the end of the poll. I knew Death would be top 5, but taking number 1 was not expected. Though its not my number 1, I can get behind the decision.

        • Max

          Hell, dare I admit – I’ve never even been a massive fan of them. But I didn’t begrudge their triumph in the least because it’s painfully obvious even to me how important they were, and perhaps even more so now with the rise of the tech-death movement.

          • Boss the Ross

            Well put.

      • more beer

        As much as I like Death. I have been a fan since Scream Bloody Gore came out. I think If Chuck hadn’t passed away. I don’t think they would get the amount of love they get from the metal community. If he hadn’t died. I think people tend to get nostalgic when there is a death involved.

        • Max

          Well, we’re seeing that right now with Scott Weiland – no offence intended to any STP fans reading this.

          • brokensnow

            not the same. nostalgia for stp in just cuz a recent death, for Death its cuz that sound is back in trend.

          • Gimme Kawaii Toast, Honey Buns

            But, then again, their songs have stayed in steady rotation on the radio to this day. They had fuckloads of hits just off Core and Purple alone.

          • brokensnow

            Im a fan of both those albums. i was mostly clarifying the Death thing.

          • Gimme Kawaii Toast, Honey Buns

            DOH!

          • more beer

            Yes we are. They were a huge band in their day. So we will certainly see more of this from them and their fans.

          • Gimme Kawaii Toast, Honey Buns

            Kinda like how kids started wearing Ramones shirts once they started kicking the bucket, all while knowing 2 songs tops.

          • more beer

            To beer fair the Ramones really only knew 1 song. They just changed the name of the song a lot of times.

          • Gimme Kawaii Toast, Honey Buns

            Lol, true!

          • Gimme Kawaii Toast, Honey Buns

            Sheeit, look at Blabbermouth. Weiland was a walking, talking punch line and a chip in everyone’s deathpool. Now they’re talking about him like he was a modern day god.

            Wonder what Failure For Blogs is saying about him. I’m not even bothering to look, but you know Axl’s most likely trolling the fuck out of the whole thing.

          • Max

            Vince Neilstein wrote a very heartfelt piece, and there was the usual “How Metal Stars Reacted” summary – although pointedly, there were very few strictly “metal” people cited in it. It was mainly alt.rock dudes.

          • Gimme Kawaii Toast, Honey Buns

            Who’s Vince Neilstein?

          • Max

            The other editor-in-chief at Metalsucks. He’s actually the better writer in my opinion. But loosely I’d say his tastes run toward more mainstream metal while Axl’s run more underground. Loosely.

          • Gimme Kawaii Toast, Honey Buns

            No wonder I wouldn’t have known that.

          • more beer

            I would use the word writer very loosely here. Along with the term metal head. As them being either is very suspect.

          • Gimme Kawaii Toast, Honey Buns

            I gave up on Metal Sucks and Metal Injection long long ago. Last I read on MS was their whole bumbling attempt to prove that King 810 aren’t from Flint, despite the fact they’ve done plenty of interviews in the city (like the one they did for Metal Hammer, where they gave the interviewer a tour of the city). They were pulling at a ton of straws on that one.

          • more beer

            They are only trying to generate clicks. Their metal credentials are really close to non existent. As far as King 810 goes. They are horrible. If want to listen to tough guy core. I will listen to any of the numerous DMS or FSU bands before I listen to them.

        • Óðinn

          Spiritual Healing doesn’t usually get a lot of love. I really like that album though.

          • more beer

            I like that album too. I meant their discography as a whole. I am also a hardcore fan of theirs from back in the day. I think if Chuck hadn’t of died. they would be less of a footnote.

        • Gimme Kawaii Toast, Honey Buns

          People would’ve ended up calling Control Denied “sell-out shit” and bugging him to go back to his old sound a la Metallica.

      • CyberneticOrganism

        Well said, Usul.

    • Lacertilian

      Same, although it was tough to split between my recent affinity for Black Metal and my longtime love of 70’s rock.

  • KJM, Shake Zula

    Gee, do I even have to say anything?

  • Boss the Ross

    DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM! /stoner/desert/sludge

    That means Black Sabbath. Plus a lot others.

    Followed closely by straight up Heavy Metal. They’re basically tied.

    • KJM, Shake Zula

      Yep.

      • more beer

        These guys should be right up your ally if you haven’t heard them before. I’ve seen them a few times and they never disappoint.https://inthecompanyofserpentsdoom.bandcamp.com/

        • KJM, Shake Zula

          Pretty good, nice mix of Sludge and Doom. I’ll check out the other stuff they have posted soon.

          • more beer

            I saw them again last night they tore it up. I usually don’t like 2 piece bands. But every band brought their A game last night. Denver Black Sky is one of the best festivals I have been to. Between the caliber of the bands and the mix of genres. It has truly gotten better with each one. Havok had a set that tore the place up as well as Skinless, and Pig Destroyer were incredible. Maruta broke down here last week. So they added them to the lineup to help them out. Which I thought was way cool and they ended the night with killer set.

          • Boss the Ross

            That sounds like an excellent show! And In the Company of Serpents, is heavy shit. I like it a lot.

          • more beer

            Yea for a 2 piece they are heavy as fuck. There is a pretty good doom scene in Denver. Like I said this fest just keeps getting better and better. Even if I think Nails at the second one was the best set out of the three they have had.

          • Boss the Ross

            There are some good heavy two piece doom acts out there, it seems to work fairly well.

          • more beer

            True.

          • more beer

            I’m sure this whole show will get posted to Metal Injection. As Frank Haung was there doing his thing.

          • Boss the Ross

            Interesting, i might have to look into that.

          • more beer

            I know they have posted the first two there. I don’t see this one being any different.

          • Gimme Kawaii Toast, Honey Buns

            Isn’t Sleep from there?

          • more beer

            No they are from San Jose.

          • Gimme Kawaii Toast, Honey Buns

            Close enough! :-p

          • more beer

            1300 miles is kind of far away.

          • Gimme Kawaii Toast, Honey Buns
          • Gimme Kawaii Toast, Honey Buns

            I’m still yet to hear the new Skinless. Feel my shame.

          • more beer

            I was actually hanging out with Sherwood and Joe today. At the Black Sky after party. They are very cool guys and a band you should check out.

          • Gimme Kawaii Toast, Honey Buns

            I’m quite familiar with them, just haven’t heard the new one.

  • Spear

    Tech death. Shocking, I know.

    • Boss the Ross

      WHHHAAAAAAATTT?!? you like tech death?

    • 100% PURE BLACKBEARD

      What a handsome answer

  • Paddlin’ Rites ov Beargod

    Gee, I don’t know what I’d choose. If it didn’t need to be metal, it probably wouldn’t be. But if it has to… maybe doom.
    Because I don’t thnk it’s dated, there’s variation in it (albeit maybe less than in death or black) and it’s not quite so orthdox if the scope is the same as you had when you chose death metal.
    From melodic death/doom through proggier bands all the way to Reverend Bizarre, drone/doom and the likes. It’s got a cubic buttload o’ variety.

    Still, I’d rather take something else, maybe.

  • Hubert

    Look, if I’m going to be stuck on a deserted island I shouldn’t spend too much time listening to things other than the local wildlife to make sure that I don’t end up dead by a dangerous spider. I should probably choose something motivating and inspiring so that I might survive in this dangerous place, so I’m choosing Power Metal.

    • Dubs

      I don’t think you’ll hear a spider coming, unless it’s that goliath bird-eater.

      • Gimme Kawaii Toast, Honey Buns

        Aren’t those the ones that are the size of puppies? Not the strangest creatures I’ve heard of, but definitely up there.

  • Sir Tapir The Based

    Maybe Doom, with Black Metal coming in as a close second

    • Max

      A surprising number of doom-mongers here!

    • Zeke

      Seconded. Overall I probably listen to black metal the most frequently. BUT we’re talking about being stranded on a desert island. Summer beach time is trippy doom time for me, not frosty black metal time, so I guess doom it is

      • Max

        The “desert island” is a metaphor for isolation and limited tuneage access rather than a literal Tom Hanks/Wilson predicament. Though if you’re really pining for black metal under the right aesthetic circumstances, you can always envision an iceberg or something.

        • Zeke

          I sort of “discovered” DsO this summer; it was a real battle in my stereo between that and my typical summer acid king type stuff. Though DsO isn’t really the frostiest of black metal

  • Hubert

    Serious answer: Doom. It’s the subgenre I can listen too the longest before getting tired. A doom song can definitely outstay it’s welcome, but with doom it’s less of a problem because it fits with the trippy, psychedelic nature of the genre. A Doom riff has a much longer lifespan than a Black or Death riff. When a Death or Black Metal song outstays its welcome, it becomes more annoying and exhausting.

    • Max

      Your remark about the relative longevity of doom riffs is an astute one which I hadn’t factored in.

      And given that heavy metal is riff-based music, for many listeners that puts their importance way more above “innovation” or “diversity” than I was willing to consider.

  • COAL ROLL

    Baby metal

  • Maik Beninton™

    I think nu metal, even though I haven’t been listening lately, but it’s a genre that has a lot of variety and people have been doing crossovers with it lately, and is the genre that I’m most familiar with. A second option would be metalcore or death metal.

    • I respect you for owning this when it’s unpopular now to do so.

      Perhaps the only reason I never listened to much nü metal is because I was already getting old by the time it became a big thing. Loved early Faith No More though…which nobody can argue about being a primary influence on the sub-genre.

    • Janitor Jim Duggan

      I would have picked that but classic rock is my genre. Nu metal would be second though.

  • tigeraid

    If I had to choose ONE!? Power then. But otherwise, it would be punctuated by some Thrash and Doom.

  • Eliza

    Such a hard question. I’d take either power or progressive metal.

  • Scrimm

    That header Image<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

    I'm with you though, Death metal all the way.

  • I do count Van Halen 🙂

    OT: if it weren’t for glam and “hair” bands of the eighties I believe even bands like Megadeth would’ve folded and died in obscurity. I think it’s really neat that your experience was “I started out with death metal!” but to 9,999/10,000 kids who grew up in the early to mid-eighties “hair metal” bands were their introduction to metal. The few of my friends who took to the few extreme bands of the mid-eighties were the same people who were listening to Metal Health and Shout at the Devil. It was easier to “take sides” later when more extreme bands got exposure…which was due to heavy metal in general (Priest or Crüe) gaining some mainstream exposure and acceptance.

    • KJM, Shake Zula

      OTOH, I was a Zeppelin/Sabbath/Floyd fan learning to settle for what was out there since all three of those bands were defunct at the time.

      • I could totally see that. A lot of (especially British) Deep Purple fans had to “settle for” early-Whitesnake and other bands that fragmented from the 70s giants.

        • KJM, Shake Zula

          I was happy that I still had Rush, and I was even happier when Mk II Purple reformed in 1984.

          • I wasn’t nearly as thrilled about the Mk II reunion TBH. I wonder to this day what another Sabbath album would’ve sounded like with Gillan on vox…AND BLACKMORE TOOK THAT AWAY FROM ME! 😛

          • KJM, Shake Zula

            All forgotten once ‘Child In Time’ started playing.

          • Haha.

            BTW: Ian Gillan is one of my top-five favorite vocalists. I’m “that guy” though; his replacement in DP ranks “No. 1” for me…slightly edging out even RJD. (I should probably see myself out now lol.)

          • KJM, Shake Zula

            When you get to that level, it’s really apples and oranges as to who one person will prefer over another.

          • Yeah. Coverdale, Dio, and Gillan are thee very different vocalists.

          • Óðinn
          • CyberneticOrganism

            Marc Wahlderp

          • Óðinn
          • Boss the Ross

            RUSH!

          • KJM, Shake Zula

            Seen ’em 11 times between 1985 and this year. I’m pretty sure Neil’s done now. Maybe Alex and Geddy will do some shows, but I consider Neil retired at this point.

          • Boss the Ross

            Damn, that is awesome. I’ve only been able to catch their R40 tour, but I am very glad i was able to be apart of that.

          • Janitor Jim Duggan

            I saw the Clockwork Angels tour.

          • Boss the Ross

            Nice, I would’ve greatly enjoyed to go.

          • Gimme Kawaii Toast, Honey Buns

            According to recent interviews, Geddy’s all but hinting that they’re done, at least with touring. They’ll probably just do some one off shows here and there, but between Neil seeming like he’s done and Alex’s severe arthritis, long tours are most likely out of the question.

          • KJM, Shake Zula

            If it were up to Geddy, they’d still be going. He has no health issues, and I don’t think his family situation is the same either. I’m betting he’ll continue his solo career.

          • Gimme Kawaii Toast, Honey Buns

            Most likely. I still haven’t heard his solo stuff, and didn’t even know until the other day. I’m guessing it probably sounds a lot like Power Windows.

          • KJM, Shake Zula

            Yeah. I’m more interested in them as a group rather than as individuals.

          • Gimme Kawaii Toast, Honey Buns

            I might like it then! Power Windows is my favorite of theirs.

          • KJM, Shake Zula

            That’s actually when they started to go downhill for me.

          • Boss the Ross

            What’s your favorite album?

          • KJM, Shake Zula

            Can’t pick one, but definitely the first 10 years of Rush are the best.

          • Boss the Ross

            Agreed.

          • more beer

            This all fucking day!

          • Gimme Kawaii Toast, Honey Buns

            NYEAH!!!!!

    • Max

      A perfectly valid point and I don’t disagree with your theory about Megadeth et al.

  • Traditional/classic heavy metal for me…which I’ll define by my own standards and experience 🙂

  • Brock Samson

    Black metal all the way for me. I love death, doom, grind and trash, but black metal has the ability to be both devastating yet beautiful. Despite its cold nature, it the genre that warms my heart most.

    • Boss the Ross

      It does have some heart warming moments, that’s for sure.

  • Max

    Well, I better see if I can somehow get some shut-eye in this abominable heat. I’ll read/answer any ensuing comments in the morning. Thanks to all for playing my silly game! 🙂

    • Old Man Doom

      This was a difficult question to pose. I appreciate the challenge. Good stuff, Max.

      • Max

        Cheers, I’ll try to think of some more of these types of pieces.

  • tertius_decimus

    If I had to choose one, I’d rather choose nothing because variation matters. Every piece of work worns out if it is running on a daily basis. With so huge musical baggage in mind every toilet dweller could have trapped into hunger if he/she went in time 70 or 80 years backwards, when there was so less music and so less physical possibilities to get a copy. While I deplore many of modern technical gizmos, I admire how great Internet is.

    • Boss the Ross

      Interesting take on the subject. With valid points.

    • more beer

      You don’t actually have to go back that far. You only need to go back as far as the 80’s. Back then it wasn’t as easy to find and get music. There was a lot of word of mouth and tape trading. If you were lucky there was a good independent record store near where you lived. The big record stores for the most part didn’t carry a whole lot of metal.

      • tertius_decimus

        I caught up these times. We had just one store in the town with metal for sale. And I remember two-deck cassette recorders, CD-Rs and huge packs of coffee for some unknown bloke in the city who had patience to download 250 Gb metal collection using dial-up connection… It was very romantic.

        The point is: it is easy to cross out genres from the list, having listened literally years of music. If I still was me of today, going back in time when dixieland or swing were on the verge, I’d be bored to death without highly energetic stuff which metal is. There are currently no and won’t be in the future more energetic music than metal. Noise and these electronic perversions just don’t cut it.

        • more beer

          I couldn’t even begin to imagine living back then. I have been on quest for heavier for close to 40 years. It is just so much easier now with everything just being a click away.

      • KJM, Shake Zula

        I was lucky to have Harvard Sq only a 20 minute walk down the road. Even now they still have indie record stores.

        • more beer

          As I was lucky being in New York. We had a few really good local record stores. The owners where very knowledgeable which was a big help also. But we would also take trips to the Village and out to Long Island where there were a bunch too.

          • Max

            Sigh. A mystical land where you have a CHOICE of reputable record stores. What I wouldn’t have given…

          • more beer

            They were few and far between. But at least they were there. But I do understand. I lived a few places where the choices were more than scarce.

          • Max

            Well, if it’s a good record store catering to your personal tastes as widely as can be expected, then all you need is one, really. I was more opining from the sheer novelty of having more than one place in a city to visit where the walls look like your own bedroom, poster-wise.

            I know I’m sounding like a total rube here, but that’s the sort of thing that often fascinates me about conversing with people like yourself who hail from NYC or even America generally. It’s the cultural capital of the world, and you see it all happening in real time. You actually are part of it.

          • more beer

            I understand what you are saying. It shows me these things from a different point of view. Instead of just being the spoiled American. Even having more than one choice. There were times it was hard to find things I was looking for. So to, not really have a lot of options makes things much harder..

          • Max

            I honestly can’t complain; Australians are pretty spoilt too in the grander scheme of things. I’ve never really had THAT much difficulty tracking down whatever music I wanted.

            It’s more this weird sort of time-lag that we used to have; perhaps not so much nowadays. Music, film and TV from overseas all used to get released as much as a year later here when I was growing up. Coupled with the physical distance, it certainly felt like popular culture was something that happened somewhere else. Which is what makes talking to people from London, NYC or LA something that piques my curiosity.

            For example, just recently you were talking about attending a gig in the late ’80s which was one of the first to bill hip-hop (KRS-1, if I recall) together with punk, and about how there was some initial awkwardness between the two tribes concerning all the moshing. Eventually it all gets ironed out, and then, a couple years later, the first I see of it is when Public Enemy and Anthrax release that song collaboration. I get the “pre-tested” version, if you will. Whereas you’re actually there when those possibilities are being explored – kind of like when Hollywood invites people to test screenings, which sometimes even result in the movie’s ending being re-written if the audience reacts adversely. It must be interesting to be a part of that process. I’m kinda rambling a bit here.

            Of course, nowadays with the internet we get everything the same time everybody else gets it, more or less. But if I ever do visit NYC, I’m pretty sure it’ll still freak me out. I’ve been seeing that place with the yellow taxis and the cops and the fire hydrants my whole life on TV and the silver screen, and then all of a sudden I’ll be standing in it.

          • more beer

            I totally see what you are saying. More than anything it is geographic. Having never experienced those things. I would never even realize these things. Without having spoken to you about them. If you ever go to NYC. I will make sure I get you a metal tour guide.

  • frozengoatsheadupanunsarse

    I think I’d go with black metal. I mostly enjoy metal that takes me on journeys, whether through the dark burrows of the soul or the cold immensities of the stars or anywhere else in between. Of course the riffing and the songwriting is important. But its the journeys that arise that have the most powerful effect on me. Fun time headbanging stuff is cool, especially in the live setting, but when I’m at home at my desk or spread out on the couch or wherever, I like to go places. And I tend to find black metal not only does this most consistently, but with the most variety. Not just horror, fantasy, sci fi, war and so on, some is even downright romantic to me. So I think as genres go it would be best for me on an island or in a prison or wherever.

    • Boss the Ross

      Hell yeah man.

    • Dubs

      I feel this. It isn’t about the riff so much as where the music takes my mind.

  • Janitor Jim Duggan

    Mine would be classic rock/glam metal. I could listen to that forever.

    • more beer

      Who would have ever guessed that?

      • Janitor Jim Duggan

        Everybody. I would have picked nu metal but classic rock has infinite possible bands.

    • Maik Beninton™

      The upside of is that anything that is 30+ years old can be called classic rock, unless is just glam metal.

    • Gimme Kawaii Toast, Honey Buns

      Why can I actually picture you being a big Randy Newman fan?

      • Janitor Jim Duggan

        I hate his Disney work. I prefer his more cynical, sarcastic stuff.

        • Gimme Kawaii Toast, Honey Buns

          I like Wolfgang Press’ cover of “Mama Told Me Not To Go”.

      • Janitor Jim Duggan

        I also consider Dr John amazing with his voodoo funk.

  • Stanley

    Black Fucking Metal!

  • CyberneticOrganism

    Black metal all the way. It seems like there are are endless ways for it to stay raw/ugly as when it first appeared, or for it to branch off and integrate new elements and influences.

    http://static.tumblr.com/735ceaeb7c2316e0887a2faea959bfe0/p7b6nap/vhtnd0l1b/tumblr_static_c2ugp0tlwi04sk0080kgww84k.jpg

  • Old Man Doom

    I think I’d go with post-metal because I’m a goddamn fucking cheater and I lump quite a few bands into the genre due to the fact that its still relatively undefined. I’ll put Isis, Hull, Inter Arma, Cult of Luna, The Atlas Moth, Intronaut, National Sunday Law, Horseback, some of Ihsahn’s recent material, The Ocean, Neurosis, and even Mastodon in this genre. And I listen to most of these bands on a very regular basis, so post metal is for me.

    • Óðinn

      I’ve been getting into Izah lately. Tapir likes them too.

      https://youtu.be/iRJQT_RYqng

      • Old Man Doom

        I definitely need to check these guys out.

        • Dubs

          That album is very good.

          • Sir Tapir The Based

            That opinion is very good.

          • Gimme Kawaii Toast, Honey Buns

            Eh, you got me into Kesa, and we agree on Dark Folk, Coil and Swans. Plus I think it was you that got me into Summoning when you posted it to ROTW, so we can agree on some stuff. You still smell like week old bologna though!

          • Sir Tapir The Based

            I never posted Summoning tho

          • Gimme Kawaii Toast, Honey Buns

            Oh. Still LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE em! It gives me a hot, gooey feeling in my pantaloons, like I just stuffed my underwear full of hot cinnamon rolls.

        • Óðinn

          Ever get into Junius? They’re not the heaviest post band, but good nonetheless.

          https://youtu.be/7IC4wagtG7A

    • frozengoatsheadupanunsarse

      I love me some post metal, and haven’t encountered a couple of those (Hull, National Sunday Law) before. Shall check them out after I return from the pub!

      • Old Man Doom

        Hull is now defunct, but they’re similar in a lot of respects to Inter Arma. I’d check out “Beyond the Lightless Sky.” National Sunday Law is a duo who have close ties with Intronaut (the dudes from Intronaut have recorded with them at their studio and they have a side project called Graviton together).

  • Óðinn
  • 100% PURE BLACKBEARD

    Id have to go with post or black. (I think i could make an argument about a lot of crossover here, which would give me quite a lot to listen to)

  • Óðinn
  • I cannot commit to any one genre because the majority of the artists I listen to and really enjoy take from multiple genres. Example – Cult Leader.

    • Ron Deuce, Godfather of ÁÄÄRARARARÄÄ merol.

      • This is pretty close to what my wife calls it.

  • Count_Breznak

    I don’t really file grindcore under metal, but if you do: ofc it’s grindcore.
    If not, dm, the Defeated Sanity variant.

    • Max

      Interesting. You’re the only one who’s nominated grindcore so far. Please explain if you care to.

      • Count_Breznak

        It’s perfect as some sort of brain reset in between reading papers about topics you are only vaguely interested in, AND perfect when you are drunk.

        Also way more varied than people give it credit for. From the rather classic Napalm Death, Nasum, blastfests like Mumakil, groovy Gore/Porn stuff (Mucupurulent, Rompeprop, Gronibard, Jig-Ai….well, most of the czech and polish scene), Cybergrind, Ska-heavys like Le Scrawl, jazz-influenced Naked City or Virulence…..

  • Óðinn

    Post-Metal
    Avant-Garde Metal
    Black Metal
    Heavy Metal
    Death Metal
    Thrash Metal
    Doom Metal
    Sludge Metal
    Stoner Metal
    Viking Metal
    Crust
    Blackened Death Metal
    Death/Doom
    Celtic Metal
    Grindcore
    Math Metal
    Progressive Metal
    Crossover Thrash
    Grunge
    Alternative Metal

    • Sir Tapir The Based

      Lol why grunge

      • Óðinn

        Can’t live without my Soundgarden.

        • Sir Tapir The Based

          Liking Nirvana, that’s a paddlin’. Also, never considered Melvins a grunge band. Maybe because Melvins are good and grunge bands are not

          • Óðinn

            Haha. I know many people don’t like Nirvana. I don’t happen to buy into that “Nirvana killed Metal” whine that many people spout. It’s not true. I was there. Commercialism, greedy record companies, and overexposure of MTV-friendly bands killed Metal.

          • Sir Tapir The Based

            I don’t think Nirvana killed metal. I just think Nirvana is fucking terrible.

          • Óðinn

            I disagree.

          • Sir Tapir The Based

            You would

          • Óðinn

            Yes, I would.

          • 100% PURE BLACKBEARD

            Nirvana is, objectively, terrible

          • Sir Tapir The Based

            We can agree on something, Cuckbeard

          • Óðinn

            Yeah, but you listen to Therion. 😉

          • Sir Tapir The Based

            Therion is bad, but nowhere near as bad as Nirvana

          • Óðinn

            Have you actually heard Therion? It’s ass. Only hillbillies and euro-trash listen to that shit.

          • Sir Tapir The Based

            Have you actually heard Nirvana? It’s ass. Only angsty teenagers listen to that shit.

          • Óðinn

            Really? Then how come you don’t like them Tapir? 😉

          • Sir Tapir The Based
          • Gimme Kawaii Toast, Honey Buns

            NO NECKBEARDS!!!!!

          • Sir Tapir The Based

            That’s Spede vitun Pasanen, you sick weeb!

          • Gimme Kawaii Toast, Honey Buns

            Speedy Vitamin Pasta?

          • Gimme Kawaii Toast, Honey Buns
          • 100% PURE BLACKBEARD

            Hillbillies listen to therion? Thatd be fuckin news to the hillbillies around here. Ill ask them at work tomorrow what their fav album is

          • Óðinn

            They’ll just grunt and shoot at you.

          • 100% PURE BLACKBEARD

            So nothing different

          • Óðinn

            Yup. Same as every other day. 😉

          • Gimme Kawaii Toast, Honey Buns

            I like Therion. Just putting that out there. IIRC, Link likes them too.

          • Óðinn

            It’s okay. I still like you.

          • Gimme Kawaii Toast, Honey Buns
          • KJM, Shake Zula

            That’s because they didn’t, and they are.

          • Gimme Kawaii Toast, Honey Buns

            If I’m not mistaken, Pantera and Danzig both had top 10 albums around the time of Nirvana, and of course Metallica had the Black Album, which I think has sold moderately well, lol.

            Nirvana killed Hair Metal, though. No denying that.

          • Boss the Ross

            Far Beyond Driven went number 1

          • 100% PURE BLACKBEARD

            And that album is the bomb diggity to this day

          • Boss the Ross

            Heavy fucking metal.

          • Óðinn

            Never got too into Pantera, Boss the Ross. I was over their schtick by the time Far Beyond Driven was released. It did go #1 though. Some good riffs.

          • Boss the Ross

            Fair enough. I’m glad you can give recognition though.

          • Óðinn

            Thrash was killed by record companies and greed too, so was Grunge eventually. Watered-down radio-friendly releases.

          • Gimme Kawaii Toast, Honey Buns

            I never even got the whole grunge tag.

            Pearl Jam = folk and classic rock based
            Alice In Chains = definitely metal
            Soundgarden = pretty metal on their early stuff
            Nirvana = power pop, with little bits of punk vaguely thrown in
            Silverchair = Australia’s musical equivalent to Fosters. AKA shit

            All that tied these bands, outside of Silverchair, together was location and dress style.

          • Óðinn

            That’s a good point. Was Grunge even a genre? Or just a label put on bands from outside influences?

            Silverchair was afterward. More post-grunge.

          • Max

            I always considered it more of a guitar sound-based genre. Nirvana, Tad and Mudhoney definitely had that sound, at least initially.

            Another early definition of it that I understood was a combination of ’70 punk and ’70s metal (as opposed to the ’80s combination of those styles which yielded thrash).

          • brokensnow

            you missed one thing. the scene.and AIC wasent metal till their last album with layne.

          • Gimme Kawaii Toast, Honey Buns

            Man In The Box, Them Bones, and pretty much anything from Facelift and Dirt were pretty fucking metal, at least in my not so humble opinion.

          • KJM, Shake Zula

            Yep.

          • brokensnow

            hard glam at best.

          • KJM, Shake Zula

            AIC and a couple Soundgarden tunes. Other than that? Meh.

          • Maik Beninton™

            Soundgarden have a lot of Black Sabbath on their sound.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNh-iw7gsuI

          • Boss the Ross

            That’s a good tune.

          • Óðinn

            True.

          • Soundgarden denied being metal and cried about it on stage at the Grammys when they got an award for Best Heavy Metal Album. They cried because The Grammys didn’t have a fucking award for grunge or “alternative;” which “everyone” was at that point/ People used to say “I’m alternative!” and “I’m punk!” then the way they say “I’m metal!” now. It sucked ass.

            Alice In Chains actually began trying to ride Guns N’ Roses’ fame as “Alice N’ Chains.” Layne Staley, awesome vocalist that he was, was actually not the OG Yarler. Axl Rose was (when he was singing in the lower-register.)

          • Gimme Kawaii Toast, Honey Buns

            We are talking about the same Grammys that gave Jethro Tull a Best Heavy Metal (something or other) prize.

          • KJM, Shake Zula

            A 1988 award for an album that was released in Summer 1987. Great job.

          • Maik Beninton™
          • Gimme Kawaii Toast, Honey Buns

            “Who gives a fuck about a goddamn Grammy?” -Flavor Flav

          • more beer

            Besides all of the bullshit surrounding that. I always thought they should just leave metal out of, that johnny come lately Grammy bullshit.

          • KJM, Shake Zula

            I watched it that year for the rarity of seeing Metallica on TV.

          • more beer

            Everyone did.

          • Maik Beninton™

            I would say Nirvana is noise rock, but I don’t know what power pop is.

          • Gimme Kawaii Toast, Honey Buns

            Lush was considered power pop to some degree. Matthew Sweet was another 90’s artist that fell into that category, as well as Ned’s Atomic Dustbin.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaTcIzLk880

          • Max

            You could add: Mudhoney = ’60s garage rock / ’70s punk to that.

          • Gimme Kawaii Toast, Honey Buns

            Yep! Dear god, I haven’t heard them since around 95-96ish!

          • KJM, Shake Zula

            Megadeth and Anthrax did quite well during the 90s.

          • Gimme Kawaii Toast, Honey Buns

            And Korn’s debut came out in 94. Love or hate em, they’re still metal. Just not the kind I like.

          • KJM, Shake Zula

            Seen ’em a couple of times, pretty good.

          • Gimme Kawaii Toast, Honey Buns

            I’d rather pour bullet ants into my pisshole than ever see them live.

          • Anthrax was kinda struggling when I saw them on that Stomp 442 tour. They were co-headlining with the newly-reformed Misfits (minus Danzig.)

            I think Stomp 442 was Anthrax’s big “sellout” to the nineties scene. They seemed really desperate to reconnect with a crowd whose tastes had changed over the past five years or so.

          • KJM, Shake Zula

            I should’ve altered that to say “early 90s”.

          • Boss the Ross

            Persistence of Time! Heavy shit.

          • Óðinn
          • brokensnow

            they changed style and were crucified for it…

          • KJM, Shake Zula

            The only Metal that got “killed” was the Aqua Net crap, and that stuff was dying years before Nirvana came along. In fact, bands like Jane’s Addiction, Guns N Roses, N.W.A., and The Chili Peppers already got in a few curb stomps before Nirvana and Pearl Jam got popular.

          • Óðinn

            True. Voivod toured with Soundgarden and Faith No More. It was a good show and nobody got their panties in a wad about “hating Alternative Metal and Grunge” until 15-20 years later.

          • KJM, Shake Zula

            I saw that tour in 1990, hard to believe that Voivod were the headliners.

          • Óðinn

            Me too. Good show.

          • Gimme Kawaii Toast, Honey Buns

            That gave everyone time to leave before they came on.

          • KJM, Shake Zula

            ^^The above post has a very high derp quotient.

          • Gimme Kawaii Toast, Honey Buns
          • more beer

            Voi Vod was better than Napalm Death when I saw them together last winter. Their first two albums are essential for every metalhead.

          • Gimme Kawaii Toast, Honey Buns

            Oh, you! Toss me a song or two from their first two and I’ll listen to them. If it’s from Nothingface, I’ve already heard it and hate it. I had Outer Limits back in ’96 and really couldn’t quite get into it, despite my friend who got me into death metal telling me how essential it was. Trust me, I’ve given them many many chances and think they’re one of the worst metal bands EVER/ But I’ll check out your picks, nonetheless. *has Mission UK on the ready just in case it gets too bad*

          • more beer

            Listen to all of War and Pain and Roooaaar!!! They weren’t all prog on either of these albums.

          • KJM, Shake Zula

            Don’t listen to the weeb. Nothingface is an excellent album and the tour was awesome.

          • more beer

            I have liked them for like 30 years nothing he says will change that.

          • Gimme Kawaii Toast, Honey Buns

            Ooooooooooooooooooook, here we go! I’ll toss you some Mission UK (what I’ve been playing most of the day) as well. Consider it a mini-Record Swap.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEMFJyT4ayg&list=PLW-2LFr9NgpKGrfK8_Y12lYRJBmKgq6rJ&index=12

          • more beer

            I’ve heard this before.

          • Gimme Kawaii Toast, Honey Buns

            Drats! I’ll find something else, then. Hurrgh! Listening to War And Pain right now.

          • Gimme Kawaii Toast, Honey Buns

            Well, here’s you some Saudi Arabian black metal. I’ll try digging up the articles on them. Hard to tell if they’re actually from there, or some really bored guys from Broken Dick, Wyoming, but neato idea nonetheless, especially considering if they are really from there, they’d be put to death in two seconds. And the music’s pretty good.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtOYL4cqg2A

          • more beer

            Certainly different. Not really my thing. I’m not a big black metal kind of guy.

          • Gimme Kawaii Toast, Honey Buns

            War And Pain sounds funny so far. Good riffs, but so far, it sounds like a bunch of ideas slapped together without any cohesion, and really bad production. Soldering on though and giving it an open ear.

          • Gimme Kawaii Toast, Honey Buns

            War And Pain verdict………….. It’s really bad and I listened to it all the way through. It sounds like a clusterfuck of riffs (which some of them were actually good) and filler thrown together, with terrible production that’s all over the place. And the vocals are bland as hell. We’ll agree to disagree!

          • Yeah, “Aqua Net Metal” got curbstomped by GNR circa 1987 lol…

          • Maik Beninton™

            What’s Aqua Net Metal?

          • The hairspray look of eighties metal bands a/k/a hair metal. Can also refer to glam I guess. GNR looked like pretty much every other “glam” band in 1987.

          • KJM, Shake Zula

            In one video and photo shot. I saw them in October 1987 and they already didn’t look anything like they did in the ‘Jungle’ video.

          • I think they got off that train pretty fast after Appetite dropped. There were a bunch of other bands around that time like Circus of Power and Little Caesar who had more of the “scum rock” look too (I can’t think of a better term and it’s not meant to be derogatory.)

          • KJM, Shake Zula

            Until Spring of 1988, Geffen were concerned that GN’R were under performing.That seems odd to me because from my perspective, GN’R had some serious crossover appeal that other HardRock/Metal bands of the time didn’t have. Obviously by Summer 1988, that talk was silent.

          • Óðinn

            Haha. Circus of Power. I remember them.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO1ph_XwUZA

          • That was a really interesting time in the evolution of popular heavy metal. It seemed like it was going somewhere other than glam but nobody knew which way. Bands like Warrior Soul offered a lot of promise and got snuffed out by what really ended up happening.

          • Óðinn
          • Yeah, vaguely. I heard one of their albums once or twice. I think my brother borrowed it from a friend in school.

          • Óðinn

            It was pretty funny at the time. Just came to mind. I don’t know why.

          • After I actually played the song just now I immediately remembered it haha.

          • Gimme Kawaii Toast, Honey Buns

            Yep! Ever heard Ethyl Meatplow? Some of the members in CSFH were in there. Sorta industrial-alternative.

          • frozengoatsheadupanunsarse

            Ethyl Meatplow were cool! I mostly like them because of Carla Bozulich though. The Geraldine Fibbers were one of the bands that got me back into alt rock a few years ago and her solo stuff is great too.

          • Gimme Kawaii Toast, Honey Buns

            Haven’t heard GF in forever. Might have to remedy that!

          • Boss the Ross

            Beavis and Butthead

          • more beer

            They all bent over and dropped their shorts and showed me their cootchies! In the parking lot of a club they played in New Rochelle New York..Fun times. They were a fun show to go to.

          • Gimme Kawaii Toast, Honey Buns

            I love Little Caesar’s, especially their Hot N Readies! My favorite pizza of all time.

            http://www.littlecaesarsspokane.com/uploads/9/7/4/2/9742847/8799434_orig.jpg

          • I had wings from Dominos once. They gave me the worst case of food poisoning I’ve ever had.

          • Gimme Kawaii Toast, Honey Buns

            Domino’s and Pizza Hut are definitely the worst pizza on the planet.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXUKyrJHRxc

          • more beer

            I have a friend who looks like this guy. We always make him say “pizza pizza”!

          • Gimme Kawaii Toast, Honey Buns

            Your friend is a god amongst men, then. Tell him I say his pizza is the best on Earth!

          • more beer

            Sometimes I don’t know about you. Bad beer, bad pizza.

          • Gimme Kawaii Toast, Honey Buns

            I’m just very simple in my tastes. It’s not like I haven’t had world class pizza or top notch beer, since I’m from a place where both are in abundance (Chicago). Just not into the fancy, pumpkin-infused-raspberry-organic-made from hops picked by Fair Trade farmers in Easter Island ales. I like mine blue collar, sharp and true. As for Little Caesar’s, it might subconsciously be a nostalgia thing for me since it’s what I grew up with. Ask pretty much any chef what their favorite food is, and most of it’s gonna be stuff they grew up on.

          • more beer

            They didn’t need that glam thing after Appetite dropped. They were selling huge numbers of records. They could look how ever they wanted to.

          • KJM, Shake Zula

            Poison, Cinderella, Warrant, stuff like that.

          • Óðinn

            When your hair is more hairspray than hair.

            http://i.ytimg.com/vi/YMZU3mVqzWY/maxresdefault.jpg

          • I bought that cassette in Kmart one day after seeing the full-page ad in Hit Parader. Man, I was sorely disappointed. Hated it.

          • KJM, Shake Zula

            I’m suddenly reminded of Kenmore Sq on Wednesday night circa 1988.

          • Gimme Kawaii Toast, Honey Buns

            Gah, it’s like their heads are being devoured by mutant cotton candy, or Q-Tips on steroids.

          • Óðinn

            I actually saw GnR open for Maiden in 1988. They were terrible live, at least they were that night. They did have a Glam influence. You’re right.

          • KJM, Shake Zula

            You must’ve seen them on a bad night. I’ve seen them 4 times and they were great every time, and only one of those shows had any serious Axl issues.

          • Óðinn

            Yeah, it may have been a bad night for them. Maiden was great though, as always.

          • My brother saw that same tour but, by the time it came to Alpine Valley, GNR was replaced with Megadeth.

          • Óðinn

            I would have preferred that.

          • KJM, Shake Zula

            The NE leg of the 7th Son tour had Frehley’s Comet as the opener.

          • Gimme Kawaii Toast, Honey Buns

            Sadly, when I saw them in ’08, Lauryn Harris was the opener. GAH!

          • KJM, Shake Zula

            When I saw them in 2012, an up and coming young rocker named Alice Cooper opened for them. ^_^

          • Gimme Kawaii Toast, Honey Buns

            Lol, Maiden’s merch booth was packed before the show (I could only afford an IM coffee mug), and you could almost see tumbleweeds passing by her merch booth. And when she played with her band, I’ve NEVER seen that many bored people in one place. Thanks, nepotism!

          • KJM, Shake Zula

            I threw down the $40 for a Trooper style shirt.

          • 100% PURE BLACKBEARD

            I hate Pearl Jam as much or more han Nirvana.

          • KJM, Shake Zula

            I’m ambivalent about both.

          • Gimme Kawaii Toast, Honey Buns
          • Gimme Kawaii Toast, Honey Buns

            Milli Vanilli killed metal. #ToiletFactsFromThePeopleWhoRevealedThatQueensrycheIsBritish

          • more beer

            The underground scene has always been there.. Regardless of the current trend.

          • Óðinn

            Exactly. Something had to come next, and then something else has to become the new underground scene.

          • more beer

            Yes, metal is metal it will always be there. Popular trends come and go.

          • Here we go with the “I don’t consider X band part of X genre because I don’t like them!” line of argument 😛

          • Sir Tapir The Based

            The last part was obviously a joke. But honestly, never conaidered Melvins a grunge band. I heard Melvins before I knew what grunge was. Always took them for a metal band.

          • I don’t think they took themselves as a metal band tho. They were just one of the heavier alt bands that people who liked SST artists were into.

          • brokensnow

            noise*

          • Gimme Kawaii Toast, Honey Buns

            I think that being Cobain’s favorite band, and him working with them on ‘Houdini’, people just lumped them into that category. Meat Puppets got lumped into the grunge category since Nirvana covered two of their songs and they were on their Unplugged CD. Meat Puppets are definitely not grunge! More like heavy alt-country if anything.

    • Gimme Kawaii Toast, Honey Buns

      No goth metal?

  • brokensnow

    ALL metalcore or its djent derivative I guess.

  • Óðinn
  • Óðinn
  • Gimme Kawaii Toast, Honey Buns

    I love all sorts of styles and genres of music in general, but if I had to pick just one, it’d either be power metal or synthpop.

    • Max

      A resourceful solution; upvoted.

    • Sir Tapir The Based

      Downvoted.

      • KJM, Shake Zula

        I upvote your downvote.

        • Gimme Kawaii Toast, Honey Buns

          Is that a good thing or a bad thing? Wouldn’t upvoting negate his downvote?

    • Maik Beninton™

      Upvoted because of Tapir’s downvote.

      • Gimme Kawaii Toast, Honey Buns

        Is that good or bad? I’m so confused right now!

  • JWEG

    I won’t even pretend that my subgenre preference would be (/is) my “first” subgenre – that dubious honour goes, as JAG suggested, to glam metal (and a bit of Canadian
    thrash courtesy Razor/Anvil/Exciter). Nor was it my second: after a long hiatus between the late 80’s and early 00’s I was brought back into the metal scene via the ‘Viking’ tag attached to multiple subgenres, initially thanks exclusively to a single NPR interview with Tyr from around 2005. But since I don’t actually consider that a true “single” subgenre, it won’t at all fit the question at hand. So instead I have to go with my gut preference: Doom. I could definitely survive on doom alone – so long as that included all of the sub-sub-genres that evolved as progressions of something Black Sabbath did once, and maybe (but only maybe) excluding the ‘crossover’ ones with the “top-level” metal subgenres (e.g. Death-Doom).

    A lot of that has to do with the fact that the largest chunk of my local scene not taken up by death-plus-something bands (brutal death, melodeath, blackened death, tech death, deathcore, etc.) are doom bands, which is about as typical of the Pacific Northwest metal scene as a “black metal” band being about trees n’ shit (and occasionally the lack thereof in certain cities).

    And some of it has to do with my personal musical (and lifestyle) preferences as they’ve evolved over the last decade in particular. I’m not a stoner (though if Justin Trudeau actually legalizes ‘it’ that may change). I don’t consciously wear flannel. I actually also really dig fast metal (whether speed, tech-death, or hyperthrash). I just feel that the doom subgenre fits me best, and I fit it best.

    …Although I’d then miss atmospheric and/or Cascadian black metal a ton (a metric ton to be sure). There are a few bands that play a crossover sub-subgenre of both CasBM and Doom, though. Perhaps that’s my excuse not to exclude it.

    • Boss the Ross

      Doooooooooom!

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      The squirrel with the stout. Would have let her play with his nuts.

  • KJM, Shake Zula

    Seriously, screw that faux 80s synth wave crap that just reeks of effort. This is how it’s done.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjWGNYj8qgQ

    • Gimme Kawaii Toast, Honey Buns

      I definitely gotta check out that film sometime! Listening to some Saudi Arabian black metal right now (and got done listening to Voivod’s ‘War And Pain’ earlier on a recommendation from Papa Beer).

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Trlz9C9vpEM

    • Óðinn

      Haha. I worked on that film. I’ve never actually seen the final cut though.

      • KJM, Shake Zula

        Were you aware that CybOrg wrote an article on it for this very site?
        http://www.toiletovhell.com/gimme-something-to-watch-beyond-the-black-rainbow/

        I own the blu-ray, the soundtrack, and Panos Cosmatos follows me on Twitter, safe to say I’m a fan.

        • Óðinn

          I did know about the article.

          Wow. You must really like the film. That’s great.

          • KJM, Shake Zula

            Yep, it hits all the Kubrick, Cronenberg, and Carpenter sweet spots, especially the soundtrack. I’d suggest seeing the final cut. It’s on Netflix and Youtube.

      • Boss the Ross

        You say you worked on it, how so?

        • Óðinn

          I did. I’d rather not say in what capacity. Nothing personal, but because the film industry is such public industry I value my anonymity on the internet to some degree. I hope that makes sense.

          • Boss the Ross

            Makes perfect sense, I meant no offense by asking, just curious. It is very cool to know you worked on it though.

          • Óðinn

            No worries.

    • KJM we’re about to fight*. wouldn’t this be as “faux” as any other 80s synth wave being released in modern times?
      * it’s gon’ get rill heated

      • KJM, Shake Zula

        Every other synth wave I’ve heard sounds like it’s trying too hard to be like freakin’ Knight Rider, Miami Vice or Euro Pop. OTOH This sounds like it could’ve been a lost soundtrack to a Cronenberg or a Carpenter movie. (prepares to pull out ‘Age Card’ if need be)

        • whoops, we’re just talking semantics here. perhaps it’s all faux in the sense that it wasn’t written in the 80’s; but many synthwave abouts about which you speak are definitely trying too hard! (though i do like many of them)

          • KJM, Shake Zula

            It’s the difference between trying to write an 80s Thrash Metal album and just going ahead and doing it.

          • it’s like Family Guy trying to be really funny, when Rick & Morty does it just fine 😉

          • KJM, Shake Zula

            YAASSSS

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  • I know my comment will be buried here, but I want to participate.

    Wow, this is really hard, but following Max example I would probably pick melodeath because it can mish-mash melodies and extremity in one genre.

    Cool feature Max, I’m always waiting for your awesomness sauce over here.

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    • Max

      Within death metal, melodeath is, indeed, quite a potentially wide-scope sub-genre in a way in which (say) brutal/slam isn’t. That’s not to say that a lot of melodeath bands necessarily DO take advantage of the creative scope they’re afforded; but yes – I think you’re basically right, Link. It hadn’t occurred to me before now.

  • well got dayum Max, you find the best ways to articulate your thoughts! so jealous.
    as far as the sub-genre of death metal is concerned, you’re probably just more aware of those sub-genres because you’re a fan of that genre. i’m sure there are just as many sub-genres of black metal, but we’d have to ask an expert

  • Guppusmaximus

    “Plus, I tend to prefer metal which musically makes a statement rather than exploring the lack of one.”

    Perfect Symmetry (Fates Warning) made a huge statement musically & lyrically across that entire album, imho. Along w/ I&W from DT, I wouldn’t need the entire genre to make it on a deserted island.

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