Sunday Sesh: GTFO of Metal

Ever since the late 1990’s metal has been far and away my favourite genre of music, to the point where there were entire periods of my life where I dismissed every other form of music and devoted my earholes strictly to its charms. Over all that time of listening there have been plenty of aspects that I’ve disliked or grown tired of though. Some of them are deal breakers. In the past, I would listen contently and not really take notice of a specific aspect of a band’s sound which would some day become tiresome or even just plain annoying. Other times, if I heard them I’d think “This is garbage, I’d never listen to that,” only to eventually come around through a particular band who opened up a whole bunch of other niches for me to explore.

Today, I’m going to air some grievances about that which I hold dear, and then it will be time for you to do the same. This Sunday Sesh is for you to say GTFO.

Now, I’m not just going to pick something I have always disliked about metal or something universally derided. It would be too easy to say GTFO to something cheesy or obviously cringe-worthy, so I’m going to choose something that has only recently started to get my goat. It’s not even something overly prominent or frequently used, but when I hear it now, I just think why? My issue is with that announcer-style effect vocalists use sometimes. I’ll drop in a recent example so you know what I’m complaining about.

The effect comes in at around 3:19 on this killer Aosoth track from their most recent split with Order Of Orias. Now don’t get me wrong, I fucking love this track. It’s ominous, engaging and unsettling. Yet I find the use of that vocal effect to be the most jarring feature of the song. As soon as it begins, I’m sucked right out of the intricate and dense atmosphere Aosoth had created through the excellent introduction, and it takes a minute or two to re-enter that mental plane. I guess I just don’t understand the point of it. Maybe it works for you? As I said previously, this is just the most recent example I could think of. There are probably much more annoying examples than this and, for the record, I still really enjoy this track.

Now I’m sure there are/were times when this effect was cool and served its purpose. For me, there has only been one time and one time only. That being when Apollo 11 first landed on the Moon and the astronauts relayed back their success to the groundstaff at Houston. That was in 1969, and they didn’t use that technology because it sounded awesome but rather due to it being the best audio quality they had to work with at the time. The only other time I ever want to hear this effect again is when dolphins eventually evolve knees, inevitably enslave the remaining human population and send space travelling Orcas to ultimately terraform and subsequently colonise the subterranean oceans of Europa. When they plant the unified flag of Cetacea on the icy crust of Jupiter’s most intriguing moon and relay back the message to President Bottlenose, it will be in that shitty announcer voice-over sound, if only to mock us petty humans.

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I may have taken a tangential course there. You get my point, there was one somewhere, maybe. Now it’s your turn to let us know what you want to GTFO out of metal. If you could choose just one thing to remove, never to be heard again, what would it be? Let’s hear them in the comment section and maybe include the most glaring instance of your choice. Try to pick something from an artist or sub-genre you actually enjoy with the thought of improving it through constructive criticism.


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Published on: February 28, 2016

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  • Super Nintendo Chalmers

    It works for Anaal Nathrakh. It works on this.

    Tl;dr GTFO.

  • Deep, seething, saliva-laced, sucking breaths through teeth during whispering angry guy vocals. The beginning of Machine Head’s “Game Over” is the absolute fucking paragon of this in the practice, and it should fuck off out of my genre literally forever. Machine Head in general won’t be missed either:

    https://youtu.be/-JdOts7SUmQ

    • Sir Tapir The Based

      Welcome to da toilet?

      • Paddlin’ Rites ov Beargod

        It do be so he has been occupying the seat before me believes.

        • Sir Tapir The Based

          I’ve not seen him ham slim slam.

      • DVRKBEVRD

        You suck, tapir

    • CyberneticOrganism

      But dude that means he’s SO ANGRY

    • Maik Beninton™

      Bloodstone & Diamonds was a disappointment.

    • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

      Rhyme Master Flynn at the pinnacle of his career:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJzeJiHHQOY

      • Maik Beninton™

        People will never forgive him for that.

        • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

          And justifiably so. The frustrating thing to me is that – and this opinion won’t be shared by 99% of the commenters on here – Machine Head are actually capable of producing respectable music as far as popular mainstream metal goes. I still spin Burn My Eyes, The More Things Change and The Blackening every now and then.

          • EsusMoose

            Ah I think it’d be a decent bit higher but I get the exaggeration. Some of the early stuff, Ashes, the Blackening, the Locust and maybe even like 1 song of the latest are good to great stuff. There’s good stuff but I understand if people don’t feel like listening to TOUGHFUCKINGMAN Flynn

          • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

            I have a bit of a peculiar taste. I love a lot of underground bands of any subgenre, but I can also really dig a fair number of mainstream albums as well. I always search for some kind of “uniqueness” in a band. If I feel a band has a sound that I can’t hear anywhere else, I’d definitely check out that band. If I end up liking it, I’ll like it. Underground, mainstream…whatever. And I feel Machine Head definitely has some kind of their own sound and style, which – if they feel like dropping a good album – can give an experience I won’t find from any other band. I’m not one to jump on some hate bandwagon. If I like something, I’ll flat out admit to liking it.

          • Boss the Ross

            Respect.

          • it’s all fvcking heresy

            I saw them live back in 2008 and thought they put on a good show. Also despite how much power metal I listen to The Blackening is one of my favorite albums.

          • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

            I think it’s a great album as well. Good performances and it flows quite well.

          • ME GORAK B.C.™

            MONTE CONNER!!!!!!!!! SAME DICK WHO CONVINCE MH TO GO RAP METAL ALSO BEHIND THE SLIPKNOT RIP OFF MUSHROOMHEAD COSTUMES!!!!!!!

          • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

            I don’t like that guy’s face. I’ll give you a license to club him to death.

            (P.S. : Mushroomhead <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< )

          • ME GORAK B.C.™

            MUSHROOMHEAD & DEFTONES ONLY NU METAL BANDS ME LISTEN ANYMORE!!!!!!!

          • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

            Upvote for Deftones. Always been a fan of that band.
            Mushroomhead feels like torture to me.
            I don’t hate ALL nu-metal though. I like System of a Down’s S/T and Toxicity, Mudvayne’s LD 50 and The End of All Things to Come, Korn’s S/T and even Slipknot’s S/T and Iowa. That’s pretty much it though.
            Like I said, I don’t like to jump on a hate bandwagon.

          • ME GORAK B.C.™

            GORAK LIKE ALL THOSE ALBUM AT LEAST SOME!!!!!! NEWER MUSHROOMHEAD SUCK BUT U MIGHT LIKE SOME EARLIER STUFF!!!!!!!!!
            https://youtu.be/JJayY-Xyk-E

          • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

            Now this song wasn’t actually all that unlistenable. I don’t know if I’d go out of my way to spin it again and again though…

          • Maik Beninton™

            Mushroomhead is a band that sticks to their own sound, which is really unique.
            I suggest you check out XX, which is an album where they re-released their stuff from their first three albums.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U45NfWSX-Vk

          • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

            I’ll check it out, but I won’t promise that I’ll love it haha!

          • Janitor Jim Duggan

            Mudvayne is good. I own LD50. It’s a nu metal classic.

          • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

            First two albums are both great. Like SOAD and Slipknot they turned to complete shite after the first two though. Korn turned to crap right after the first album. Deftones is the only band from that scene that has kept on cranking out good albums.

            Still, all the other nu-metal bands have a whopping zero of notewhorty albums. In my opinion at least.

          • brokensnow

            Last 3 albums have been pretty weak in my opinion.

          • brokensnow

            nice. naming the complete opposite album in the bands discography.

          • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

            Which band?

          • brokensnow

            system, mud and slip. I just found it amusing.

          • Zeke

            I saw them open for pantera when they were touring the more things change. I thought they blew pantera away. Although maybe that’s because I had already seen pantera a bunch of times

          • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

            I’ve seen Machine Head live once and they put on a good show. I’ll always like those first two albums. Back then they had a more ‘atmospheric’ take on groove metal that sounded quite fresh and interesting compared to the more southern-flavored groove of Pantera. It was really disappointing to see them jump on the nu-metal hype train. They had a good sound that was their own and they threw all of that into the trash bin to go play some of the most generic nu-metal ever.

      • Eliza

        I don’t even mind MH all that much, but this is awful. The lyrics especially.

        • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

          He did even worse on Supercharger. Avoid those albums like the plague.

          • Eliza

            It’s not like I go out of my way to listen to Machine Head anyway.

          • Rob M

            Avoid Machine Head like the plague =D

          • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

            Haha! Well, like I already said, I do find something to like in a few of their albums. But that’s just me.

          • Rob M

            All good…generally dislike them myself, but I got no problem with other people digging them…each to their own

          • brokensnow

            Subjectivity! Subjectivity for all!

        • Maik Beninton™

          I honestly like it.

          • Eliza

            More power to you!

      • EsusMoose

        I think Flynn was just afraid of balloons and nu metal allowed him to subtly defend himself against the helium enemy.
        This is really bad though, glad I’ve skipped this albums

    • Paddlin’ Rites ov Beargod

      This is some rank-ass crap right here.

  • CyberneticOrganism

    1) Balls-out deathcore bro mic-cupping vocals, where the only sound produced is BWOOH BWOOH BWOOOOOORRHH

    2) Murky black metal that uses a single, soft mid-paced blast beat for 6 minutes; change it up FFS or GTFO

    • Paddlin’ Rites ov Beargod

      Upvote for 1), downvote for 2)

      • Opposite for me

        • Paddlin’ Rites ov Beargod

          Yet strangely, I feel neither of us would enjoy soft, mid-paced black-ish metal with a mic-cupping bro-out fest.

          • Boss the Ross

            I don’t think any of us here would…

          • Capra Hircus Hubertus

            I would actually like to hear that just out of curiosity.

          • Boss the Ross

            I would give it a listen, but I don’t think I would like it.

    • DVRKBEVRD

      if it dont burble, it can gtfo

    • Continuous blast beats >>>>>>>>>>>

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4Fw5TfV6fs

    • Max

      Agreed on 1).

      2) – I really like that beat so long as they break it up with fills and stuff. Otherwise I agree.

      • CyberneticOrganism

        Same. I’m fine with it as long as that’s not the entirety of the song, it gets very boring very quickly and feels lazy

  • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

    OT:
    So a guy I know told me that the Coroner albums got a reissue and that they were available for a reasonable price at the official Coroner webshop. Great, I’ve been looking for a copy of Mental Vortex for ages. So I get over to their webshop and it turns out that fucking Mental Vortex is already sold out.

    • megachiles

      🙁 that cuts right to the feels, dude.

      • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

        Ah well, I signed up so that they’ll send me a message when it gets another reissue. If it doesn’t get another reissue, there’s always something to find on Discogs.
        AND I managed to snatch a copy of Cobalt’s Gin at a reasonable price. So not all is bad.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNjwEa560bM

      • Boogers Moshing In A Crouton

        It cuts like a knife, but it feels so right?

  • Defenestrator

    What is your opinion on samples that employ this radio broadcast tone? For example, Crepusclar Battle Hymn by Inquisition, or Dragged Into Sunlight’s entire career? I think it adds an element that is just out of the realm of humanity. It always gets me hyped up.

    “Belphegor, the Marshal, he rules over seventy legions of demons” chugchugchugchug

  • EsusMoose

    Only thing I can think of is poorly done speech samples from movies, tv, etc. I can only think of the mad as hell speech from Network which I’ve heard in like 3 tracks of varying success. 1 was good and fit the scene, and another had shitty chug riffs. There are times that random speech samples work but make sure your band doesn’t suck before using them or GTFO. Gave up trying to find the one I dislike, found a edm track with the speech though and it’s bad

  • Paddlin’ Rites ov Beargod

    I must say, Lizzardwizzard, that this voice-over sound works well for me.
    It do be so it enhances the atmosphere the song has created.

  • megachiles

    Intro tracks.

    It’s all well and good that you want some progressively layered synths or french horns or tubular bells shit, but ffs you could try to do it somewhere besides the first 115 seconds of an album.

    • Boss the Ross

      This is a very interesting point. It definitely can be overdone and useless, but sometimes it can really set the mood for an album.

      • Paddlin’ Rites ov Beargod

        Intro tracks, if really just a short intro, ought to be integrated into the actual songs doe.

        • Boss the Ross

          Hmmm, yeah I can see that. Short 15-30 second tracks are pretty useless indeed and could easily be added to the next song. Longer ones that go over a minute, however, should have their own spot so you can skip it easily if need be, haha

          • Paddlin’ Rites ov Beargod

            #NoTrackSkippingMasterRace

          • Boss the Ross

            I usually do not skip tracks on albums. I think of them like books, you’re not going to read a middle chapter out of a book without the introduction. But if the intro is just “some progressively layered synths or french horns or tubular bells shit” that really doesn’t make sense with the album, I think that warrants a skip.

      • megachiles

        For sure. And willingness to sit through an intro track can be pretty mood/contect driven as well. Lately I’ve been super into Voivod and can handle their album intros when I’m at work or driving. However, if I’m at the gym and I get 45 seconds of weird noises or movie samples I’m more inclined to skip the song.

        • Boss the Ross

          Precisely.

      • Boogers Moshing In A Crouton

        Mortician’s gotta be the worst offender, along with Rhapsody, when it comes to pointless intros and interludes.

        • DVRKBEVRD

          sry, i lurb Mortician. and shitty sound clips. theyre the perfect style band for it

          • Boogers Moshing In A Crouton

            Not me! I like Mortician, but if I wanted an album that’s at least 50% movie samples, I’d stick with some of the really really shitty industrial from back in the 90’s.

          • more beer

            It is what they do. Will has the largest collection of horror movies I have ever seen. So it is also what they love. Even if Rodger is a huge Star Wars nerd. Here is me and Rodger when he was n denver last April.

          • DVRKBEVRD

            fav mortician song!
            https://youtu.be/7O7lh2gR5H0

          • That EP is one of the heaviest releases ever.

          • DVRKBEVRD

            Agreed. its, literally, stupid heavy

          • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

            I could never dislike a band that references The Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

          • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

            A band with a good taste in horror movies = good band.
            I’m no math genius, but that’s a simple calculation.

        • more beer

          But every song is about a horror movie. So there is that.

        • Rob M

          Resurrection…their Embalmed Existence album gets 110% better without those stupid voice intros on every goddamn track

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mVFHSKLJaA

    • Stay away from Graveland then.

      • Boss the Ross

        Please share, I’m interested to hear.

        • Anything that involves Rob Darken is going to have interludes and outros involving synths. It’s just a given.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LChgBh8n6Q
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCiZzEiPF2k
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwMz4wzKVik

          • Boss the Ross

            Thanks for sharing, these intros are quite long. I enjoy the mood it sets, but the abrupt changes in the transition throw me off a bit.

          • I don’t mind em. It’s pretty much expected with him anyways. I have all three of these albums on vinyl, essential Polish black metal right here.

          • Boss the Ross

            I think if I listened more than just once and spent time with each album I would come to appreciate them more. I’m really digging Graveland.

          • Cool, they have the NSBM status by the way. Figure I’d let you know. Same goes for Veles.

          • DVRKBEVRD

            the Poles are rel gud for that

          • Boss the Ross

            Eh, I can’t understand what he’s saying.

          • Boogers Moshing In A Crouton

            A Polish neo-Nazi. You know how I know he hasn’t read much WW2 history?

          • DVRKBEVRD

            NS == nazi

          • Boogers Moshing In A Crouton

            What does that middle part translate to, exactly?

          • DVRKBEVRD

            does not equal

          • Boogers Moshing In A Crouton

            Think you might wanna read Graveland’s Wikipedia page. The guy is definitely a neo-nazi.

          • DVRKBEVRD

            what i meant was: yes all nazis are national socialists; not all nationalists are nazis

          • Sir Tapir The Based

            Rob Dorken.

          • Well, that’s expected.

          • CyberneticOrganism

            Slob Dorken

          • Boss the Ross

            Slob DONGken

    • it’s all fvcking heresy

      The new Galneryus album has two intro songs.

      • megachiles

        wut.

        • Spear

          Too epic for one intro.

    • Zeke

      Agreed. With that said, the intro to nightside eclipse is probably the best intro ever because it’s short and it’s not the typical cheesy spooky organ thing. I can’t think of any other album intro that sounds like it

      • DVRKBEVRD

        all the upvotes

    • Old Man Doom

      It’s like the opening lines of a book, poem, or opening shots of a movie: catch my attention immediately or fuck off. I firmly believe in this. Despite my love of slow-burning music (doom, post, funeral, etc.), I really cannot stand the generic atmospheric intro. I think the intro track from CoL’s Vertikal is my all-time favorite because it’s very unique, foreboding, and it sets up the recurring melodic theme for entire album.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8-poqsc_tk

  • more beer

    Not necessarily in the music. But corpse paint, I hate that fucking shit.

    • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

      And frontmen who wear black nail polish. For fuck’s sake…

      • Boogers Moshing In A Crouton

        Except Robert Smith.

        • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

          Only if he stops wearing black nail polish…

          • more beer

            That’s right stick by your guns.

          • Boogers Moshing In A Crouton

            He’s the only one who gets a pass, because The Cure and stuff.

          • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

            He absolutely gets a pass as a musician.
            The nail polish however, doesn’t get a pass. Not ever. I can’t even turn a blind eye to the amount of nail polish Ozzy has been wearing since his solo career. Despite how much I love the Ozzy Sabbath albums.

          • Janitor Jim Duggan

            Of course he does. Pornography is the greatest album they ever did.

          • brokensnow

            …hes the reason it exists…imitation innovation and all that.

          • Boogers Moshing In A Crouton

            No, I think we can blame Bowie for that one more than Robert Smith.

          • Óðinn

            KJU, Rockin’ the town like a moldy crouton

          • Boogers Moshing In A Crouton
      • ME GORAK B.C.™

        M SHADOWS!

        • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

          Speaking about him. Where the hell is that guy on that other place? And where the hell is Smitty?

          • ME GORAK B.C.™

            DON’T KNOW!!!!! IT NOT LIKE THERE CONVENTION FOR SHITTY NOVELTY ACCOUNTS!!!!!!!

      • Max

        Oh fuck yes. Corpsepaint I can take. Nail polish I can’t.

    • DVRKBEVRD

      its the posing in pictures that gets me more than the corpse paint

      • Boss the Ross

        But the posing is always a good laugh.

      • more beer

        It’s all that bullshit. I think if the music speaks for itself. A band doesn’t all of that shit.

        • brokensnow

          People of all stripes look for entertainment first, substance second. Unfortunately.

          • more beer

            Because a band just playing a killer set isn’t good entertainment?

          • brokensnow

            Depends, I guess. Works for thrash(for the most part), not so much for black. depends on the sub genre, region and most annoyingly of all-who you are talking to…

          • more beer

            But there is an over saturation of that especially in black metal. It is supposed to be about the music. I saw Carcass on the first night of the Decibel Tour. They tore it up that night. I was next to this black metal couple. They stood there the whole set with blank looks on their faces, looking so unhappy, it wasn’t even funny. I guess there wasn’t enough corpse pant for them or something.

          • brokensnow

            its about dem trends and style doe! Fuck technique and substance! We want bouncy riffs, masks, drunk uncle vocals, catchy melody’s and a cool band logo! wwoooooooo! (pounds super cheap beer of choice).

          • more beer

            I don’t typically jump on trends. But more importantly I do not pound super cheap beer!

          • Max

            What the fuck were they doing at Carcass? That’s like the quintessential “life metal”/fun/Mosh band.

          • more beer

            Not enjoying themselves.

      • Óðinn
      • Óðinn
    • Damn.

      • more beer

        Let the music do the talking.

        • Sure, but I have nothing against spikes and corpse paint.

          • more beer

            I have no problem with spikes. The whole corpse paint thing has just been so over done. I have seen some particularly shitty local bands. Who should have spent more time practicing and less time putting on corpse paint. Plus it’s not scary and they really don’t look dead..

          • Well that’s no good. Be good at your music first obviously.

          • more beer

            Well yea, I don’t want to have to see a bunch of painted fools who can’t play.

          • Duh.

          • brokensnow

            Its black metal. Thats part of the “charm”, I guess.

          • COAL ROLL

            You frM Denver right? My brother was raving yesterday about the record store called twist n shout there. He said it’s got lots of great metal. Ever been there?

          • more beer

            Of course I have, it’s about 5 minutes from my house. You should also tell him to check out Chain Reaction Records on Colfax west of Wadsworth Blvd. It’s smaller but specializes in punk and metal. There is also another one which I can’t think of the name of 13th and Washington St. That I like to go to not just because of the music, but one of the best pizzerias in Denver is next door.

          • COAL ROLL

            nice! I have to drive 45 min to get to the closest real record store, lame!

          • more beer

            Yea that sucks. I am pretty centrally located here. Which is nice.

          • COAL ROLL

            my bro said WAX TRAX…next to Benny Blancos

          • more beer

            Yea that’s it.

    • Boss the Ross

      I like it, but I can see why some don’t

    • Capra Hircus Hubertus

      If I’m honest, I really, really like corpse paint. Of course it’s silly, but if you’re going to complain about silliness in metal you should find another hobby.

      • more beer

        Why should I find another hobby? It’s about the music not the costume. I just prefer a band just come out and play their asses off. Rather than all of the theatrics.

        • Capra Hircus Hubertus

          I’m not saying that you in particular should find another hobby, I’m saying that metal is inherently silly, that includes the music itself and the theatrics around it, and there’s nothing wrong with that. I really like theatrics in metal, I think it adds a lot to some bands, but I can understand and respect that you and a lot of others don’t.

          • more beer

            For me it’s more about the music than anything else. If a band is good their music will stand on it’s own. Without all of the theatrics. But hey to each their own.

    • Óðinn

      I just think it’s funny that we draw a distinction between Black Metal make-up and any other Metal genre wearing make-up. I guess it’s the way it’s applied that makes it look cooler. But then we have to admit that we care about men’s make-up styles, which seem really weird to me. Anyway music>>>>>corpse paint.

      • more beer

        That is so true it isn’t even funny. By true, I didn’t mean trve.

  • Eliza

    I’m particularly uninterested in bands that rely gimmicks to get attention, while the music itself is not that great, or I don’t like it. (Kiss, Marilyn Manson, Slipknot for example). Now, a band can use gimmicks but if the music is good or I happen to enjoy it, I can get into that band, like Ghost for example.

    • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

      Ghost <<<<<<<<<<<<<<

      • DVRKBEVRD

        wheres KJM

        • Boss the Ross

          I was thinking the same exact thing. Can of worms has been opened.

          • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

            Best get outta here quick then.

          • Eh, I can get why people wouldn’t like them. I disagree of course.

          • Boss the Ross

            Solid.

          • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

            I don’t “hate” them either. I wish I’d like them, but I just can’t get into them.

        • more beer

          He was here earlier.

      • Eliza

        I really liked last year’s Meliora. The rest of their discography is just OK.

        • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

          I really really tried to get into them, but I’m just unable to. I even tried to approach them from different listening angles. And I even think that whole “GHOST IS NOT METUUUUHHHLLL” meme is tiresome. There’s just something about their sound that just can’t keep me interested. I liked Mummy Dust, but that’s pretty much it.

          • Eliza

            Ghost’s music is an acquired taste. I totally understand people who can’t get into them.

        • killvps

          Personally, I felt that their gimmick was to compensate for their “meh” sounding music. I certainly don’t hate them but they’re just okay but not enough to keep my attention.

          • Eliza

            That’s OK. Ghost is not the greatest thing ever or anything, but their sound is something that I happen to dig a lot.

    • Boss the Ross

      Dissing on KISS?!?!

      • Sir Tapir The Based

        Kiss is the worst.

      • Boogers Moshing In A Crouton

        KISS sucks. Always has, always willed. Good live show though.

      • Eliza

        I’m not said they’re bad, I just don’t like listening to them all that much. Their music doesn’t do much for me.

        • Boss the Ross

          I gotcha, I’m just raising a little hell this morning.

          • Eliza

            There’s one thing I find quite impressive about Kiss and that’s is how long they’ve lasted. I’m surprised they didn’t just stop after the 80’s.

          • DVRKBEVRD

            i was gonna make a suggestive joke bout Gene Simmons’ love life

          • Eliza

            Why didn’t you?

          • DVRKBEVRD

            uhhhhhhhhuhhhhhhhmmm something something extend dong tongue

          • Eliza

            XD

      • I like their 70s stuff and ‘Creatures’ but after that, meh.

        • Boss the Ross

          Yeah, their first 6 are really the only albums I listen to.

      • CyberneticOrganism

        Kiss sucks

        • No blast beats. Get the fuck out.

        • Boss the Ross

          Seems that I am outnumbered in this…

          • My good buddy and guitarist is a huge Kiss fan. We do a killer grind cover version of “I Was Made For Lovin’ You”.

          • Boss the Ross

            FUCKING AWESOME!!!!

          • Always a fun one to jam… For 8 seconds. Hahaha

          • Boss the Ross

            Was it with Scab? and is there a recorded version of it?

          • Yes, and not yet.

          • Boss the Ross

            Alright cool, I look forward to the next Scab album Grinding The Classics

          • Albums almost done. Taylor is recoding vocals now and I’m finishing up the artwork. 36 songs total.

          • Boss the Ross

            Ha, holy shit, that’s bad ass!

          • more beer

            36 songs in how many minutes?

          • Boss the Ross

            3:25

          • Ted Nü-Djent ™

            Any links?

          • Ted Nü-Djent ™

            I’m here bb. A little late though

          • Boss the Ross

            Thanks buddy!

      • Janitor Jim Duggan

        I hate Gene Simmons but mid 80s Kiss isn’t half bad.

        • Boss the Ross

          70s KISS all the way.

          • Janitor Jim Duggan

            I’m not a giant fan. Gene Simmons is just a terrible person.

          • Terrible and stupid. He has serious “grumpy old man” syndrome.

          • Ted Nü-Djent ™

            Lick It Up and Creatures Of The Night though. Revenge too.

    • Paddlin’ Rites ov Beargod

      I find people, like our dear MoshOff and Celtic Frosty, tend to demand more of a band with a gimmick than they do from one without. Which is pretty ridiculous and not far removed from the “this band is better than that because this is ug and that is mainstream”- thinking in my mind.
      But a bad or unsatisfying band with a gimmick tends to be more irritating than one that is bad but doesn’t have a gimmick.

      Ugh, Chief Kymmenen Karhua has spoken.

      • Sir Tapir The Based

        *Chief Kymmenen Karvaista Kikkeliä

        • Paddlin’ Rites ov Beargod

          They aren’t that hairy.

      • brokensnow

        Yeah ghost is the total opposite for me. Dad metal Masquerading as something interesting. The grammy only solidifys this.

    • Old Man Doom

      I LOVE albums with gimmicks (aka concepts, running themes). I want more of that. But yes, I’m over entire band gimmicks too.

      • Eliza

        Well, I love concept albums too, who doesn’t?

    • Ted Nü-Djent ™

      Kiss has some great music in their discog.You don’t survive 40+ years in the business off gimmicks alone

  • Boogers Moshing In A Crouton

    Good cop/bad cop vocals in metal, mostly bro metal.

    In tough guy vocals: “I’ll beat your motherfuckin’ ass, bro! Do you even swole?!?!?”

    Two seconds later, in whiny, high pitched nasal Rebecca Black (It’s Friday) vocals: “Oooooooh, my paaaaaaaaaaaaainnnnnnn! Why won’t the world cuddle me, motherfuckerrrrrrrrr!?!? Raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrggggggg uuuuuuuuuuurgggggggg sploop!”

  • DVRKBEVRD

    ive said it before, ill say it again.
    vocalists should be kept to < or = 1. (not counting backup or choir vocals)

    i cant even think of a band with two dedicated vocalists that i can listen to

    • FrankWhiteKingOfNY
      • DVRKBEVRD

        hmmmm touche

      • DVRKBEVRD

        but couldnt one person do both?

        • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

          You do have a point. I dunno about one vocalist doing both styles. But the shrieks could’ve easily been done by the guitar player or whatever.

          • DVRKBEVRD

            just wut i was saying. she does boobs tho. there is that

      • Old Man Doom

        GODAMNIT I MISS RWAKE. I NEED A NEW ALBUM NAOW

        • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

          They did a remaster of their demo Xenoglossalgia last year. I have a feeling they are taking a semi-break though. Love that band. Voices of Omens and Rest are modern cult classics. They are one of the very few metal bands that truly sounds backwoods. CT’s vocals come across as some scary looking hillbilly guy who, while sitting in a chair outside a rural gas station, is drunken yelling some cryptic incoherent stuff at you. Really unique vibe.

          • Old Man Doom

            Yeah, I grabbed the Xenoglossalgia release last year. I totally agree with your assessment of CT’s vocals. I fucking love the cryptic backwoods vibe. The Voices of Omens cover art still scares the shit out of me.

    • Maik Beninton™

      I love some vocal interplay, like call-response type, or when both vocalists voices blend together.

      • DVRKBEVRD

        like the Marco-polo of metal?

    • Boss the Ross
      • DVRKBEVRD

        didnt they used to have two vocalists and then went down to one?

        • Boss the Ross

          Yes, Their last few albums just had Cam Pipes, the falsetto singer, on them.

          • DVRKBEVRD

            case in point

          • Boss the Ross

            At that point they only had the falsetto style, but point taken.

          • DVRKBEVRD

            i always hated that other little wormy dude

          • Boogers Moshing In A Crouton

            Misread that as Cum Pipe.

          • DVRKBEVRD

            we know you did. we know you did

      • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

        I always used to think this band was comedy gold.

      • Eliza

        A horde of people riding goats wouldn’t have been an amazing video.

    • Count_Breznak

      Abysmal Torment….you wouldn’t know they have two without looking it up/seeing them live, tho.

      • DVRKBEVRD

        im betting they dont need two, either

        • Scrimm

          Need, no, but they are still pretty good.

      • Scrimm

        Was just going to say this.

    • JWEG

      UnexpecT = 3

      And are (were) good.

    • Boogers Moshing In A Crouton

      Primest example of this on Earth, but they’d suck regardless, even if they had zero vocalists. But, but boobs.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWLr2WVhIp8

  • ChuggaChuggaDeedleyDoo

    Djent needs to gtfo

  • xengineofdeathx

    Bass drops, and people trying to act tough when they couldn’t do 10 pushups. Pitchfork Appropriating metal for scene cred. Bands only having shirt designs that are the album cover. Hoodies never having the cool part on the front. And just frontmen being narcissistic cunts/saying some racist shit.

    • Old Man Doom

      All-over shirt designs, album covers that suck ass, album covers that feature band members

  • Janitor Jim Duggan

    I’d like to see bands that attack religion to seem cool get out of metal.

    • DVRKBEVRD

      NOPE

    • Paddlin’ Rites ov Beargod

      You’d miss Mushroomhead tho.

    • I agree.

    • Sir Tapir The Based

      I’d like to see bands that think christianity is cool to get out of metal.
      #owtheedge

    • frozengoatsheadupanunsarse

      I agree. I find serious, reasoned critiques welcome though.

      • Old Man Doom

        Serious critiques >>>>

        The Ocean, Enslaved. Good stuff

  • Boogers Moshing In A Crouton

    GTFO with all bands that don’t crabwalk. Scratch that, fuck everything that doesn’t involve crabwalking/spinning crabwalks!

    http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/1646066/spinning-crab-walk-o.gif

  • “Core” and “Post”.

    • DVRKBEVRD

      y u do this, kj?!

    • Boss the Ross

      Why you gotta lump “post” with “core”?

      • DVRKBEVRD

        why you gotta lump core in with post!?

        • Maik Beninton™

          Why you gotta put post after core?
          It’s a prefix (is this the right word?).

    • Sir Tapir The Based

      Upvote for core, many downvotes for post.
      Post is love, Post is life

    • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

      “Post”

      Wait…that means no Neurosis? Isis? Cult of Luna? Amenra?

      • Boss the Ross

        Pelican, Russian Circles…

        • DVRKBEVRD

          half of my collection. . .

          • Boss the Ross

            KJM struck hard with that.

          • DVRKBEVRD

            deep, rel deep

          • more beer

            He doesn’t fuck around!

        • Sir Tapir The Based

          No Izah, Latitudes, Hemelbestormer, Kauan either 🙁

          • DVRKBEVRD

            Godspeed, This Will Destroy You, Hammock

          • Sir Tapir The Based

            Year of No Light, Circle, Solstafir

          • DVRKBEVRD

            my buddy and i were just talking Solstafir last night.

            #postrlyislife

          • Boogers Moshing In A Crouton

            Skyforest, Ghost Bath, Doves, etc.

        • Maik Beninton™
        • Boogers Moshing In A Crouton
          • Just plain Bran Flakes, sugar, and 1% milk for me, thanks.

          • DVRKBEVRD

            raisin bran crunch plz.

            but i never eat cerealz

          • Boogers Moshing In A Crouton

            I keep it gangsta around here and stick with Fruity Pebbles.

          • John Cena’s favorite!

          • Boogers Moshing In A Crouton

            And we can thank FPs for the greatest line ever spoken in the WWE. Hell, the best line ever spoken in sports, period!

            http://static.tumblr.com/q9s8ycm/HUIm7ccsk/tumblr_m5mt1bapwb1rt73joo2_500.gif

          • Arguably the best talker in Pro Wrestling history besides Flair and Blassie.

          • I do. Bran Flakes are great for roxy constipation, especially if you use almond milk.

          • Boogers Moshing In A Crouton

            You must have a true hatred of post if it even extends to your cereal.

          • I like Post Bran Flakes, but not Raisin Bran.

      • Isis are ok but yeah, pretty much.

        • Boss the Ross

          You don’t like Neurosis?

        • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

          Neurosis probably my favorite metal. Can’t think of any other band in the genre that speaks to me like they do. But I totally understand others not liking them. Their music does come off as pretentious at times and they are an acquired taste.

        • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

          *favorite metal band

          (Damn this cellphone is turning to shit)

      • Sounds right.

    • Count_Breznak

      “-core” shall only be combined with “Grind”, “Break” or “Glitch”.

      • Boss the Ross

        Or preceded by “New York Hard”
        Or “apple”

        • more beer

          Thank you I was just about to say that!

        • Sir Tapir The Based

          Doesn’t NYHC have Madball
          “Madball is not hardcore”

          • Boss the Ross

            what?

          • CyberneticOrganism

            New Yawk Hahdcoah

          • more beer

            Are you out of your mind?

          • Boss the Ross

            I think he is.

          • more beer

            He certainly doesn’t know what he is talking about.

          • Boss the Ross

            Not at all.

          • Sir Tapir The Based
          • Maik Beninton™

            Whoever said that is an idiot.

          • Sir Tapir The Based

            I think Beargod said it. He’s correct. They’ree terrible.

          • Paddlin’ Rites ov Beargod

            I don’t remember saying it, but however did say it wasn’t as dumb as he looks like. Also not wrong.

          • Sir Tapir The Based

            I’m pretty sure you and Joe had a fight about it one time. Could’ve been a dream of the Resilar.

          • Paddlin’ Rites ov Beargod

            Or maybe I said it in said Resilar-haze? It do be sounding like some universal fact I’d use to scorn Joe though.

          • That was the moment I realized none of you know what the fuck you’re talking about with music.

          • Boss the Ross

            I new this would bring you out.
            Tapir completely lost me with this one.

          • Sir Tapir The Based

            Tbf u said you like Kiss

          • Boss the Ross

            I did and I stand by my statement, but making a claim that Madball is not Hardcore is completely different…

          • Sir Tapir The Based

            Have you heard a Madball song? Fucking terrible.

          • Boss the Ross

            You can have your opinion on the band, I will have mine.
            Did you get the Floyd i posted earlier?

          • Zeke

            I just found out my friend is playing drums with crown of thornz. I want to meet ezak!

          • That’s fucking rad! Get a pic with him!

          • Zeke

            I have to see when they’re playing local. I know they’re doing a European tour with madball in March.

            I didn’t even know they were still together. I thought Ezek was just doing awful rap now

          • Boogers Moshing In A Crouton

            Sweet! That’s a name I haven’t heard in fuck knows how long.

          • more beer

            You do know that Freddy is Rodger from Agnostic Fronts brother don’t you? Madballs roots in NYHC run pretty deep.

          • Paddlin’ Rites ov Beargod

            Pretty much all of NYHC is terrible bands playing semi-metal riffs pretending to be tough-ass mothafocka’s. Devoid of HC and terrible.

          • Boss the Ross

            You do realize who you are talking to, right?

          • Paddlin’ Rites ov Beargod

            More Beer?

          • Boss the Ross

            He has a deep investment into the NYHC scene and knows a lot of the people in the bands you are shitting on.

          • more beer

            I got this. But thanks.

          • Boss the Ross

            I’ll step aside.

          • more beer

            You have no Idea what you are talking about.Have you ever been down on the Lower East Side? It is a pretty rough area to say the least. Most of those guys are actually pretty tough. Especially back in the 80’s. It was a survival of the fittest kind of place. Not like your little village in Finland.

          • Paddlin’ Rites ov Beargod

            Can’t say I would’ve. I also tend to not give a crap about their personal lives. And as far as their lyrical capacity is what it is, it ain’t exactly enthralling and a lot of those bands seem to be doing the tough-guy thing just because, like bm does the anti-christian crap (not limited to NYHC by any means).

            That’s how they sound to me, also HC for me pretty much is punk. Which stands nearly non-existent in the material of most bands playing in the style known as NYHC (despite their actual location) I have heard.

          • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

            Go catch some NYHC live. The music might not interest you on tape, but it’s a whole different experience when you go to a live show of theirs. I’ve seen Madball and Agonistic Front live countless of times. Freddy from Madball is a cool as hell dude. Invites people on stage, interacts with the audience…guys like that command respect from people without acting like they’re above anyone else. And they’ll get respect. Lots of it.

          • Paddlin’ Rites ov Beargod

            Well I’ve seen quite a few HC and other punk bands live and I have enjoyed them very much.
            But I’m not paying to watch a band that
            1) I have no interest in seeing
            2) is, in my opinion, terrible.
            3) NYHC bands aren’t frequent visitor’s round these woods, and when they do arrive, the gigs ain’t cheap.

          • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

            Point taken. I mean, I’m not arguing and it’s your opinion. I won’t ever force anyone to like something they don’t like. It was just a small proposal that maybe you’d get something out of them if you’d catch those bands live.

          • more beer

            Bands playing in the style who are not from New York are not NYHC. How can you say bands like Agonstic Front and Warzone don’t sound punk? For you to say they are all just trying to act tough when these guys are from a rough area and have to be tough. Just to live their day to day lives. Then to respond I don’t care about their personal lives is a weak argument. If you were to say say shit like that to any of those DMS guys. You would get your fucking ass beat. There isn’t any of that fake assed wanna be shit there. Those guys are fucking gangsters. You don’t have that shit where you are so I don’t expect you to understand.

          • Paddlin’ Rites ov Beargod

            K, a longer explanation: Yes, undoubtedly many of those bands include members who’ve had it bad and to whom that tough guy life is reality. However, too many bands – even the imitators from other countries, places where tough-guy life is certainly not a reality – go for the exact same style, musically and lyrically. In these circumstances it’s clear that a portion, big or small, of these bands are just doing it for the sake of doing it, not because it’s their life. “I don’t care about their lives” means I have no interest to take note which of these bands might actually live this reality and which some other, especially when the lyrics of these bands tend not to differ, making it difficult to tell just by them if a band is doing it just because or not. I have no interest in finding out so for me it’s really the same.

            When it comes to the lack of punk, I believe I pointed it out to Joe when we first had this argument, that Agnostic Front was an exception I allowed myself, especially United Blood/Victim In Pain very much thanks to the lack of the metallic aspect. I don’t claim to know a lot about NYHC, not when compared to someone like you who’s invested in the scene, but this (link below) is a far cry from the HC I grew up around.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ES9IzkdNTo0

            *also, NYHC is used p widely to describe bands that play in the same style. They’re not NYHC, but since that’s what they’re imitating, it’s easiest to use the term to describe them, and it is.

          • more beer

            So you are talking about bands that are not NYHC bands. They are just imitators. After the Cro Mags Age of Quarrel came out. NYHC went a whole different direction. There were many more metal influences in the music. Even Agnostic Front went that route on Cause for Alarm and For Liberty and Justice.Then went back to their hardcore roots on Riot Riot Upstart, and One Voice. Warzone Always had that punk sound and were all about social justice and caring about their scene and the people in it. For every tough guy band like Skarhead there was another band like Breakdown or Killing Time who didn’t think they were a bunch of tough guys. As for Merauder they certainly have a lot of metal aspects to their music. But don’t be mistaken they are a DMS band. Before that Sob was one one of these guys. You should read this article. It will give you a little perspective..http://www.noecho.net/features/the-sunset-skins-nyhc-crew-a-chat-with-lou-morales-minus-and-jorge-rosado

          • Ted Nü-Djent ™

            What about Bawston Hahdcore?
            https://youtu.be/EvhPyRSSakg

          • more beer

            Some is okay. I like that album.

          • DVRKBEVRD

            makes me think about why there wasnt ever a southern harcore scene, but we had a damn good DM scene. or why the south had so much stoner/sludge bands and hardly any BM like the PNW did.

            #metalscience

          • CyberneticOrganism

            The south is too hot for BM

          • DVRKBEVRD

            hmmm, perhaps some war bm or bestial kind of bm would work. hell is hot, rright?

          • Yup. The amount of war/bestial black metal bands out of South America is insane.

          • Boogers Moshing In A Crouton

            That didn’t stop Sarcofago from creating black metal. *drops mic*

          • CyberneticOrganism

            *picks mic back up* hey man this is a nice mic you should be more careful

          • more beer

            Different places different things.

          • Boogers Moshing In A Crouton
          • Ted Nü-Djent ™

            Savage

          • Sir Tapir The Based

            Dsnt change the fact that they Suck with a HUGE S.

          • more beer

            You telling me something sucks gets zero credibility. Since to you everything sucks.

          • Boogers Moshing In A Crouton

            BTW, speaking of punk, meant to slide this on over to ya.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Sbne-qCNzU

          • Ted Nü-Djent ™

            Just because you think they suck, doesn’t make them not hardcore

          • Boogers Moshing In A Crouton

            Exactly! Madball’s one of the all time veterans of NYHC. At first, I was like:

            http://www.sharegif.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/10-the-big-lebowski-quotes.gif

          • more beer

            I was actually expecting this. Since it really applies here.

          • Boogers Moshing In A Crouton
          • Boogers Moshing In A Crouton

            You know how I know that you haven’t heard even one song of Madball? Next up, you’re gonna say Current 93 is slam.

          • Sir Tapir The Based

            Have you ever hear a Madball song. It’s shit.

          • Boogers Moshing In A Crouton

            Yep, and like their albums. I’m not big on hardcore punk, but they have some awesome material.

          • Sir Tapir The Based

            “I’m not big on hardcore punk”
            Yeah, no wonder you like them.

          • Boogers Moshing In A Crouton

            What would Finnish hardcore punk be like?

          • Sir Tapir The Based
          • Sir Tapir The Based
          • Boogers Moshing In A Crouton

            Cool, I’ll check these out in a bit.

          • Ted Nü-Djent ™

            LOLwhat?

        • Obviously NYHC and others do not fall in this description. It’s more about the recent application of those terms. Jim Carroll is considered “Post-Punk” by many and I love him.

          • Boss the Ross

            Yeah man, i knew what you meant. I was just messing with the Count before things got a little out of hand.

            Thoughts on Fugazi?

          • Aside from the late 70s & early 80s, Punk/Hardcore really isn’t my thing at all.

          • Boss the Ross

            Alright, cool. Just checking.

    • Boogers Moshing In A Crouton

      STP’s ‘Core’ <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Bjork's 'Post'

    • Yeah, I’m with you on both.

    • killvps

      Post-Core?

  • ME GORAK B.C.™

    GORAK HATE WHEN KEYBOARD NOT MATCH FOR SONG!!!!!!!!!! SMASH KEYBOARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • The Tetrachord of Archytas

    Chug verses-Electro pop choruses, break downs (mainly and especially ones that aren’t earned…its not a break down if you didn’t break anything down), the assumption that playing in harmonic minor makes you “neoclassical”….so metalcore I guess.

  • Scrimm

    000 00000010000 000 Riffs.

    • Max

      They have their place, but it doesn’t need to be as spacious and over-occupied as it currently is.

  • Warheart

    Use and abuse of happy small lead fillers, you know, like those in 90% of power metal.

    The same goes for artificial harmonics, I like them occasionally to emphasize leads, but not here and there and in the riffs and jumpdafuckup.

    Dropping the lowest string in tuning, to play with just a finger.

    Clean vocals that sound like you’re listening a cheesy pop song.

    • CyberneticOrganism

      God I hate sugary pop choruses

      • Paddlin’ Rites ov Beargod

        Except when you get sugary pop choruses and Anaal.

      • Boogers Moshing In A Crouton

        Not me! Keep in mind my favorite CD of last year was the new Carly Rae Jepsen, so I’m an obvious sucker for ’em in a lot of cases.

    • Spear

      I’ll stop using pinch harmonics when I’m dead.

    • Sir Tapir The Based

      Power metal in general should be deleted.

  • Owlswald
    • Lacertilian

      Wise owl.

  • frozengoatsheadupanunsarse

    I might well do away with instantly recognisable film/TV/classical music samples. I can’t think of any metal tunes which have done this without making me think “wow, that was a lazy/cheating way to trigger emotion or signal mood”.

    • Rob M

      Entombed – Left Hand Path uses that great riff from Phantasm

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6exw6xT0oo

      • frozengoatsheadupanunsarse

        And now I shall briefly hang my head in shame, as that’s an excellent counter-example which I have little excuse for not thinking of myself.

        • Rob M

          Hahaha…honestly, thats probably the only one I could even come up with

      • Scrimm

        Can’t Go wrong with that!

    • Max

      This is something that bands used to do a lot of in the early ’90s, led mainly by Ministry. There’s a lot of it on Entombed’s Clandestine album; and although it doesn’t really disrupt the music, it’s the one element on that record which I believe has dated it.

      It’s partly subsided due to the fact that legal permission for use of others’ recordings is a more punitive thing than it was back then. Especially film samples – you need to obtain clearance from the composer, director, producer; it’s an impossible obstacle course.

      In fact, Entombed’s third album, Wolverine Blues, had a whole bunch of stuff like that which ended up being legally actionable; so they had to take it all off in subsequent re-issues. I used to have the first pressing of the record; apparently it’s now a collectors’ item.

      • Boogers Moshing In A Crouton

        And Ministry yanked that from Skinny Puppy, who were one of the first, along with Portion Control and Frontline Assembly, to really jam pack movie samples into songs.

  • I choose nothing. There’s something for everyone and we, as listeners, are forced to listen to nothing.

    If anything should GTFO of metal it’s latter-day revisionism, laughable elitist tryhard-herd-mentality*, and the all-around attitudes that seek to suck the fun out of other people’s experience.

    *Tryhard-herd mentality: “Gighs, I don’t really like nü metal but blah blah blah.” (switch out “nü metal” with any past style that every tr00 metalhead has to pretend they never liked.)

    • frozengoatsheadupanunsarse

      I’m not sure many people here would actually entirely strip the things they mention from metal in a hypothetical real world. At least not given knowledge that some people really enjoy them.

    • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

      Yeah, I can agree with this. Personally I think the diversity of metal is probably the genre’s strongest point. I like to explore the genre as a whole, which means ALL of its subgenres. And I’ve found at least a couple of albums I can enjoy in almost every subgenre. Listening to 50 bands that all play the same style of cavernous death metal, lo-fi black metal or slow funeral doom would get extremely boring to me, especially when I’ve already heard a few other bands that have completely mastered that style. I dislike most glam metal (save for some WASP), I can’t get into overly symphonic gothic metal and I haven’t really found any deathcore act I can dig, but that’s because it just doesn’t click with me. There are of course lots and lots of bands I dislike, but the fact that they may not belong to a “tr00” genre is never the reason for this.
      That’s my take on it though. I fully support letting others enjoy whatever they enjoy.

  • DVRKBEVRD

    . . .

  • Elitism. It’s fucking stupid. You aren’t elite, you’re just close minded and stubborn.

    • CyberneticOrganism

      ^^^ Featured comment ^^^

    • Janitor Jim Duggan

      Amen.

  • Capra Hircus Hubertus

    Easy, brickwalled production jobs.

    It adds nothing, even in the cases where it doesn’t hurt that much the records still suffer from it.

    • It’s lazy and betrays a lack of knowledge concerning mixing and production.

  • JWEG

    Random spoken word bits in songs (possibly not including separate-track interludes) in general kind of bother me.

    I wouldn’t say drop the impulse to do one entirely. Just think it over first…

    • DVRKBEVRD

      A Forest of Stars is someone who does this real well

      • Boogers Moshing In A Crouton

        A Forest Of Stars >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    • Capra Hircus Hubertus

      Voices did them really well

      6:10 for relevant bit
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvS10EJPbc8

      • Dave Vincent’s Perm

        I prefer their first album.

    • Max

      They’re a real problem throughout Mayhem’s Grand Declaration of War.

  • Paris Hilton

    Overtly shocking stuff. It really has lost all its edge, how can something be truly shocking when 1000+ bands are doing the same thing? Now I know what you’re thinking, “oh you’re just too sensitive… SJW… Triggered blah blah blah”, but honestly, I remember listening to the intro to Raped on The Altar by Dying Fetus and one day thought to myself, “Why the fuck am I listening to this shit? I feel like the kind of guy who does taxidermy and masturbates to serial killers.” I haven’t looked back since, to this day I still dislike shit that’s overly gory. It gets to a point where it’s juvenile, gross, and is not something that I want reflecting me as a person. Especially when it’s shit about mutilating women and shit, fuck that.

    Ok, I’m done lol

    • DVRKBEVRD

      i get this. +1

      • Paris Hilton

        Morals aside gore and violence is the most boring, predictable thing a metal band can write about. Snoozers!

        • Boogers Moshing In A Crouton

          I got bored with it long ago, between death metal going overboard with it and industrial’s “I wanna chop this bitch into a million pieces” lyrics. It can be amusing when it’s overly comical, but that’s pretty rare. I think Pissgrave has taken that as far as it can go, which shows how uncreative it can be. I like their music, but it’s a sign of how generic the whole gore thing is when all a band has to do is print up real life death scenes to be considered revolutionary.

          • Paris Hilton

            Uncreative is a good word for it. The worst is “Yeah, Shakespeare is super violent, and his work is mandatory to learn in Western education!” Well, his plays are filled with various literary themes and devices, violence only being one of many to push a larger plot. If y’all seriously gonna compare Shakespeare to some shitty DM song about tormenting and mutilating a woman… Than I don’t what to tell you. You’ve missed the point of everything ever lol

          • Boogers Moshing In A Crouton
          • Lots more going on in Shakespeare than blood n guts, as you say.

          • Paris Hilton

            That’s another issue I have with it tbh. When it’s taken seriously by metalhead’s they’re like “FUUUCKKK YEAHHHH!” However, when they’re confronted about these things they’re supporting they can turn around and say “Oh, yeah. No. It’s just satire, man. The lyrics mean nothing cuz it’s just the music!” It strikes me as the most chickenshit cop-out.

    • Sacritastic

      This brutal, gory theme has gone to a point where I sometimes can´t longer distinguish between serious and ironic bands.
      This is the point where things go ridiculous and I drop the genre.
      Maybe this is why glam/hair metal is dead.
      It became it´s own post-ironic caricature.

      • Paris Hilton

        It’s hard for metal to compete when other genres write about stuff people can relate to, not about revenge fantasies written after watching too many horror movies.

        • I even like horror movies and I can live without that silliness. Then again, I prefer movies with mood and spooky atmosphere to gore.

          • Paris Hilton

            Prime example of how atmosphere is everything in a video game: Bioshock! By video game and horror movie standards, it’s not overly gory. However, it’s the atmosphere of the dark, dank and ruined environment combined with the creeping shadows and the mad ramblings in the distance that always keeps you on your toes. Much like good comedy rarely relies on shock humour/profanity to carry a good joke, good horror rarely relies on shock/gore to carry their purpose and plot. Do these aspects have a place in their respective genres? Yes, absolutely, varying on timing and storytelling! When a medium uses just one of these aspects it just comes across as cheap, lame, and half-assed.

            Lol I kind of gave you the long answer to my OP.

          • That’s fine. It was a good answer.

    • The Tetrachord of Archytas

      Everything you just said reminds why I miss Chuck

      • Paris Hilton

        Wherever he is, I wish him good luck.

    • Óðinn

      I understand your point. Personally, I do draw a distinction between writing songs about gore or about a social situation, and actually promoting genocide against others. For example I can watch Schindler’s List, movies about gore and horror, or other movies about WW2 that don’t promote genicide. But if Phil Anselmo and Varg Vikerness made a documentary movie saying that we should kill Jewish People and African Americans, there’s no way I could support that.

    • frozengoatsheadupanunsarse

      I just wish bands would come up with more interesting gore to write about. Less generic splatter porn, more say, Cronenbergian body horror.

    • CyberneticOrganism

      Paris bringin’ the truth

      • Paris Hilton

        ‘Ts what I do

    • I can live without blood n guts. I’m all about the music mostly.

    • Boss the Ross
  • Dave Vincent’s Perm

    I wish the dicks who talk shit about old school black metal because of things they read in vice would get the fuck out of metal.

    • Boogers Moshing In A Crouton

      I think you can blame Lords Of Chaos a lot more than Vice for that one. And it’s not like the old school Norwegian BM bands were doing much to dodge the negative press.

      • Dave Vincent’s Perm

        The thing I hate about vice is the way they bait bands and people in interviews or articles, like when they did the thing about how great Transilvanian Hunger was and then half the article was about the ‘norsk arisk black metal’ thing on the back cover.

        • Boogers Moshing In A Crouton

          Or the way they did with Gaahl. He was super nice and even laughing it up when I interviewed him, but Vice seemed to purposely piss him off and egg him on when they interviewed him.

    • frozengoatsheadupanunsarse

      What’s Vice even supposed to be good for? I liked the short one man black metal docs they did, but I don’t remember ever reading a good article there, and unless I’m mixing sites up the ones that come strongest to mind were actively bad.

      • Boogers Moshing In A Crouton

        They’re great for news stories, travel docs and food shows, but I can’t name one band I’ve gotten into because of them.

        • frozengoatsheadupanunsarse

          Ah, it may just be that I need to avoid their more opinion-y stuff. Cheers!

          • Boogers Moshing In A Crouton

            Like pretty much any news site/company. Once it starts going into opinions rather than facts (aka all the cable news companies), it goes to instant shit.

        • CyberneticOrganism

          Not vice but may as well be. Get ready to feel punchy.

          http://youtu.be/udAHUcNK5J0

          • Boogers Moshing In A Crouton

            Hey now, I like Hot Chip!!!!!! >:-<

          • CyberneticOrganism

            I meant the interviewer more than anything, that fucking greasy hipster

          • Boogers Moshing In A Crouton

            Oh, ok! I was about to unleash the synthpop nerd fury on ya! :-p

          • Nerdcore?

          • Boogers Moshing In A Crouton

            Lol, I’m imagining something like Welle Erdball when I hear that term.

          • More like mc chris.

      • Dave Vincent’s Perm

        I liked one man metal and some of the non-music related stuff, but I hate the way they antagonise black metal fans just for the music they like.

  • Boogers Moshing In A Crouton

    This is outside of the realm of metal, but a huge GTFO to the term ‘EDM’. It’s techno, kids, stop trying to up the hipsterism by pretending you found something completely new. And it’s such a vague term. Electronic dance music can mean anything from techno to drum n bass, industrial, house, witch house (another term that can GTFO), EBM, goa, and so on. Same with ‘dubstep’. Show me any dubstep artist, and I can name you the Frontline Assembly or X Marks The Pedwalk CD they ripped off.

    Sheeit, fuck half of the made up terms for music genres nowadays. Most of the terms are only good for press/bio sheets for journalists and hipsters again trying to act like they found something completely new. This doubly goes for genres that have utterly nothing new outside of a theme that was most likely yanked from another genre.

    • Maik Beninton™

      I use EDM because I don’t know about it.

      • Boogers Moshing In A Crouton

        Fair enough. Most people I’ve seen and known who use the term come off pretentious as hell, I forgot to mention that.

    • JWEG

      If you don’t like distinguishing dubstep from techno I can only imagine that further subdivisions of dubstep must really get you raging. See: brostep.

      I have no horse in either race though. I just think of it all as Noises I Don’t Like (yes, you may contrast Noises I Do Like).

    • EsusMoose

      I just took that EDM was the term to use for electronic music that is fairly simplistic in structure and that I always thought techno wasn’t suppose to be used because it was only a specific subgenre and not indicative of the whole electronic genre.
      I think electronic genres have a similar subgenre shitbag that metal has but without caring about it I can’t tell most of it apart.

    • I remember Techno fans getting freako about the term “Electronica” during the 90s when acts like Aphex Twin and Squarepusher were popular.

      • Boogers Moshing In A Crouton

        Yep, and then they got tossed into the whole IDM (Intelligent Dance Music) thing and fuck knows how many subgenres.

  • CT-12

    Intros, outros, interludes, or otherwise useless filler material. Trim the fucking fat fellas, it’s 2016 and metal is already insanely overcrowded with just bands alone, I don’t need to hear some experimental noise bullshit on an album that isn’t experimental noise, and has nothing to do with what 95% of the material on your album already consists of. To put it more broadly and simply, have a definite reason for doing anything you do, make each song matter and mean something either on its own, or to the whole of the album. ie Primitive Man (does anybody listen to these interludes intentionally?) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgcVOOp1LHQ

    • Boogers Moshing In A Crouton
      • CT-12

        Figured someone else might’ve mentioned it, just didn’t wanna bother with having to load 400 other comments to see if anybody did. My bad.

        • Boogers Moshing In A Crouton

          Haha no problemo, just bustin’ your chops. :-p

    • Sir Tapir The Based

      I listen to them on that Primitive Man album. Fuck you, man.

      • Boss the Ross

        I checked out some songs from the new Oranssi Pazuzu album. I liked what I heard.

        • DVRKBEVRD

          so good

      • CT-12

        Tapir’s got too much time to waste

  • Boogers Moshing In A Crouton

    New Moonsorrow trailer. *body is lubed and ever so ready*

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXOMNXF12iM

  • Boogers Moshing In A Crouton

    In other, much happier news, some Sunday randomness courtesy of Brazil.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miUkymOb3zA

  • Janitor Jim Duggan
  • Coprolytic

    When the drums are merely a spectacle and do not sensibly support the music. I listen to a lot of brutal death and gore grind and it is exhausting when the drummer seems like he is working overtime for no reason. Obviously, the drums in many metal genres are an important part of the draw and some bands overdo it well – I love Lust of Decay’s maniacal pounding – but many times I just can’t handle it.

  • DVRKBEVRD

    one day off work is not enough anymore

  • here’s what i’m sick of: SCENES. just dress how you want to dress, act how you want to act, follow the rules that you like. i’m so sick of being able to pick someone out from a crowd: “there’s the hardcore guy, there’s the deathcore guy, and there’s the thrash guy” you do not have to adhere to all the attributes of a specific group of people, or scene.