Sunday Sesh: A Pseudo-Scientific Exploration of Guilty Pleasures

Old Man Doom deconstructs guilty pleasures.

Welcome back, toileteers!  It’s my turn to hit y’all with a Sunday Sesh. Today I have an oft considered topic: guilty pleasures. I know we have done this before, and I am sure it has been discussed at length in the Facebook group, but I want to approach this contentious subject from a slightly different angle this time around.

I want to ask you whether we can (or even should) break our guilty pleasures down into different categories — breaking down the differing degrees of guilt and enjoyability. I know many of you freely and openly listen to whatever you like, whenever you want; that is truly awesome. But for the rest of us, there is still a certain level of cognitive dissonance associated with listening to our guilty pleasures: “I like this, but I know I shouldn’t,” or “I like this, but I don’t know why.”

For me, I have devised a paradigm to organize my thoughts on guilty pleasures, especially given the various degrees to which I consider certain music to be more or less “guilty” than others. I have here four categories that I believe account for all of my guilty pleasure listening. Some of the examples herein may cross over to other categories, hence the nature of this paradigm being totally subjective to the user. Feel free to adjust my categories as you see fit for your listening habits, but this iteration of the paradigm works well for me. Let’s jump in:

Disturbed’s debut album occupies a very prestigious place in my own Primary guilty pleasures category.

The Primary guilty pleasure is highest in the paradigmatic hierarchy. It is a guilty pleasure that is driven to a large extent by nostalgia. Entry-level metal bands from most sub-genres populate this category alongside many of the bands still receiving air-time on rock radio shows. These are bands or albums that provided your first introduction to music but perhaps are not on the same level as the music you surround yourself with today. That first Avenged Sevenfold album that you had back in middle school maybe does not fit in so well with your collected Neurosis discography, if you are anything like me.

Rob Zombie was one of my very first musical interests when I was young, and he remains just as influential for me today (even though much of his recent musical and cinematic output has been terrible).

This particular category is somewhat hard to define because it is so broad and subjective to individual experience. However, it can be said that the Primary guilty pleasures are the most prestigious of guilty pleasures due to the formational nature of them. Everyone has to start somewhere, and it is likely that most of us were not born with a predisposition toward Blackened Harsh Noise or what have you. Because of this, Primary guilty pleasures are often recollected with a sense of modest pride. Most of the time, they can be said to have been “highly influential” on our later listening habits and interests. In fact, many of these Primary guilty pleasure bands or albums still find themselves in our regular rotation of listening, even though they may not fit with our more recently developed tastes.

Zakk Wylde’s work in BLS has informed much of my guitar playing to this today. Even though BLS, especially their fan base, can be at times cringeworthy, I still find myself returning regularly to their classic albums. 

The Secondary guilty pleasures category is reserved for those musical interests that are not as influential or deeply ingrained in our personalities as the Primary, but they are still listened to with regularity or when the particular mood strikes. This is the point where a certain level of embarrassment can start to seep into the consciousness. Many of the bands in this category are either disliked almost universally by one’s community or have achieved a pariah-like status. But the listener remains interested due to factors outside of the community’s judgment.

Though I imagine most Toileteers would disparage this, I enjoy Thy Art Is Murder’s brand of ignorant deathcore as a Secondary guilty pleasure. For me, they are the perfect workout music: crushing grooves and loud-as-fuck production.

This category can also account for those maligned albums or songs created by bands whose reputations are relatively positive in the fan communities. For example, Slayer, while generally praised as a forerunner to extreme metal, has a few albums that are widely considered substandard to the metal community at large but still have a number of fans. These musical works usually attract guilty pleasure listeners in this tier regardless of the community negativity surrounding them. Again, outlier factors may be the driving force behind the listening.

This is my favorite Slayer album. This is one of my favorite Slayer songs. I am guilty of poserdom.

The Tertiary, or Peripheral, guilty pleasure is probably the largest source of cognitive dissonance, especially for music fans from traditionally closed-off communities like extreme metal. This category is broad because it encompasses any music that is firmly outside of one’s typical listening preferences. It can be understood as existing on the complete opposite side of the spectrum of your musical tastes. This is the category that prompts the most interior dialogue: “Why do I like this?” “I shouldn’t enjoy this, but I actually do.” “What is it about this song/band/album that attracts me? What the hell?!”  Many times, one particular aspect of the Tertiary guilty pleasure in question is the key the factor in the attraction, but often listeners are unable to articulate a reasoning past “I just like it.” Even though it produces that sometimes troubling cognitive dissonance, it is not necessarily a bad thing; rather, it shows a commitment to taste, even if it is, at first, unconscious and unarticulated.

I hate EDM. I hate house music and trap and all that shit. I love this song. I love the vocals and the groove. Help me.

This category can also be referred to as Peripheral because most of the exposure to this class of guilty pleasure occurs as a result of your environment or circumstance. There are many opportunities for exposure outside of a typical listening environment: parties, sporting events, etc. Pretty much any social gathering that is not solely comprised of individuals that belong to your specific musical community. And once this exposure occurs, that Peripheral listening can turn into the Tertiary level of guilty pleasure interest.

Lolbuttzian guilty pleasures are those musical interests that the listener finds pleasurable in some fashion and that can also be described in terms of “lolbuttz.” This category, I believe, bears no further explanation.

Ignorant, godawful slams with terrible production and stupid banjo riffs?  I love it.

NOONEGETSOUTALIVE-BanjoSlam-T-Shirt

Lulz. I’ll take an XL please.

So, there you have it, toilet fiends: my pseudo-scientific (but not really at all) break down of guilty pleasures and how I view them. Do your guilty pleasures fit into this paradigm? Do you have your own way of justifying or systematizing your guilty pleasures? Share them in the comments and I’ll see y’all next time. Happy flushing!

 

  • Lacertilian

    I don’t really harbour any guilt about what I enjoy listening to, I feel the need to validate personal taste is kind of unnecessary. Having said that, I listen to a bunch of stuff that would probably invoke rage/curiousity/hysterical laughter in some people. So here’s some.
    Primary: Greenday’s Dookie & Insomniac. First albums I bought with my own money. Slayer’s Diabolus In Musica, first Slayer album I bought on release.
    Secondary: Lamb Of God’s first handful of albums.
    Tertiary: Music that isn’t metal *gasp*.

    • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

      I won’t put “As the Palaces Burn” and “Ashes of the Wake” in the “guilty pleasure box”. It’s tightly played heavy music with solid songwriting. Sacrament and everything from there on is incredibly bland.

      • with Lamb of God, one needs to enter the room with a name card that says what you you started listening to the band. anyone who started in 2004 or earlier gets a pass.

        • Ol Dirty Blastbeard

          indeed. i saw them on their Ashes tour. but i first heard them when they were Burn the Priest

          • they were pretty innovative back then, at least to me. interesting riffs and great drum skillz

          • Ol Dirty Blastbeard

            well, its used to be solid american metal (pretty much all of As the Palaces Burn is rifftastic) from the state above me

        • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

          There’s no excuse for people getting into LoG through a song such as “Redneck” (*pukes*).

          I liked them when I heard “Ruin” and “Vigil”, which were (and still are) solid examples of modern metal done right.

          • yeah they didn’t exactly NEED to attract a bunch of tuff guise, so why that horrible song “Redneck”? well, Tapir likes it so….

          • Eliza

            Wait, Tapir likes that? Mind=blown

          • Rob M

            Probably because they are rednecks…and I dont mean that as a shot. Just a comment on where theyre from in Virginia

          • Ol Dirty Blastbeard

            arent they from richmond? thats a huge diverse city. not even 1/10th the redneck level of where i live

          • Rob M

            I think theyre from someplace outside of Richmond..Id say once you get outside the city the redneck quotient skyrockets, but Im just basing that on my own personal experiences here in MD

          • Ol Dirty Blastbeard

            i imagine thats true.

            for contrast, when we went to New York last year and went out to where my old lady is from (outside Buffalo), i saw a LOT of yankees flying confederate flags

          • Rob M

            Thats how it is here (though I think technically MD is considered part of the south)…I didnt grow up super far from the city, but the area Im personally from would have probably been considered very redneck

          • more beer

            It’s pretty redneck in upstate New York.

          • Ol Dirty Blastbeard

            it was

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

            As far as I could ever tell, the parts just outside of Richmond are very suburbanite.

          • Rob M

            I dont think suburban necessarily means non-redneck though…Like I said, Im just judging by here in MD, but outside of the cities Ive seen it go from 600k homes to cars on cinder blocks within a block of one another

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

            From what I noticed the times I’ve been through Baltimore, it looks just as shitty on the outskirts there as it does in the city.

          • bro! that’s my make-believe hometown

          • Rob M

            Depends on where you are..some of the immediate areas outside the city can be pretty nasty, but if you get about 15 minutes or so from downtown…like north around Towson or south below Glen Burnie it gets a lot better

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

            You’re from Baltimore, I’m guessing?

          • Rob M

            Lets just say, its an area Im familiar with, and leave it there

          • hehe, you told me on last.fm a long time ago, “Big Fuzz says you’re free to visit anytime”. i gotta do this one day!

          • Ol Dirty Blastbeard

            you are samenamebro! dont get me wrong, AVL is a progressive bastion in the mountains, but 20mins outside the city and you are in some deep backwoods mountain shit. pretty as it may be. theres also billion dollar mansions everywhere on the mountainside.

            its a strange place

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

            Richmond is more like an IL suburb than hee haw country.

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

            LMAO, they’re from Richmond, the hipster capital of VA. It’s definitely not redneck over there or here on the southeast end. Outside of there, though, yep!

          • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

            Wait…

            Tapir likes ‘Redneck’ ???

            (second)

          • Sir Tapir The Based

            Tapir does not like Redneck.

          • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

            You genuinely had me worried for a second there.

            Liking ‘Redneck’ = not healthy

            And I like to think of myself as quite an open-minded metal listener.

          • Sir Tapir The Based

            There are endless alternative universes, none of which has a Tapir that likes Redneck.

          • Eliza

            If you did, you’d be a different person.

          • ME GORAK KING OV CAVEMEN!!!

            WOULD U SAY IF SOMEONE GOT INTO LAMB OV GOD FOR REDNECK THEY GOT……. A MOTHERFUCKING INVITATION!?!?!?!?!?! THE ONLY ONE THEY EVER NEED!?!?!?!?!

          • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

            Hahahahaha!

            You got me there.

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

            Randy won’t accept that invitation anymore, since he’s running away from ISIS and drunk teenagers looking to kick his ass again.

          • damn Gorak. hats off to you for that one.

          • Ted Nü-Djent ™

            Self congratulatory comment

          • Most clever commenter evar

          • ME GORAK KING OV CAVEMEN!!!
          • tigeraid

            Bless you, Gorak.

    • Max

      Diabolus actually does have some good songs. It’s just that most of them aren’t. It wasn’t a “sellout” album the way so many claim; it just wasn’t very inspired. But “Bitter Peace” was every bit as classic a Slayer song as “War Ensemble” or “At Dawn They Sleep.” If you’d just heard that song before the album was released, you’d assume you were in for a hell of a record (which, at the time, is exactly what we all did assume.)

      • Lacertilian

        The only songs I don’t really get down with these days are ‘Stain Of Mind’ and ‘Love To Hate’, from memory. I bought that album in year 8 on release after only having Reign In Blood and South Of Heaven not long prior to it. I remember listening to it on my discman all alone at a industrial-type train station waiting to go see my girlfriend and just looking at the imagery in the booklet and thinking that it was just the most evil shit out there.
        Good times, the nostalgia is strong on that one for me.

    • tigeraid

      Nothing from LoG should be a guilty pleasure, in my opinion. Much like Slayer or Metallica, I feel they earn a pass for a poorly executed or boring album. I feel the same way about Iced Earth’s Glorious Burden. I do not like it at all, but I give the band a pass and enjoy the rest. Because they are metal gods. As opposed to, say, Disturbed, which are not. That’s a guilty pleasure.

  • Sir Tapir The Based

    Second

    • Dubs

      Who let you back in the house.

      • Sir Tapir The Based

        You locked the door so I had to stab my way through it.

  • Dubs

    I enjoy the music of Miss Ellie Goulding, and I feel no shame about enjoying the music of Miss Ellie Goulding.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6DFLNa6MBA

    • Eliza

      As far as pop music goes, her music I feel is ok. It doesn’t infuriate me, and that’s good.

    • She is a good

    • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

      I love her stuff! I have her first two CDs, and loved that song as well. Some of the best dream pop out there.

  • To me, there’s no such thing as guilty pleasures. I like what I like and anyone if someone has an issue with it, it’s their problem not mine.

    • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

      #TheTruth

    • i dunno bro. any time i throw on Avatar (and i have to be tripping pretty hard) i feel like a jerk.

    • Old Man Doom

      That’s awesome, man. I know many people around these parts feel similarly, but not everybody. Some (including myself) still feel beholden to ideologies about what to like and what not to like. It can be difficult to be reconcile your interest in a piece of music (or art or even another person) when you have these competing feelings of negativity that may not be your own, feelings that have been developed in you from the systems you are a part of in this world. The cognitive dissonance can sometimes be crippling. Unless, of course, it’sOingo Boingo. I’ll jam those fuckers to the grave and beyond.

      • I feel you man. I was the same way, not listening to bands because everyone I talked to about music frowned upon it and what not. Then I realized that I started enjoying music less because I was listening to what everyone else said was good and not what I truly enjoyed a lot of the time. I decided to never let that happen again and I’ve been much happier for it.

  • Ol Dirty Blastbeard

    i think lil wayne says some funny shit

    also other embarassing hiphop sometimes

    • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

      Ever watch BET Uncut?

      • Ol Dirty Blastbeard

        no lol but i can imagine

        • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

          It was a late night show for all the really cheesy low budget, borderline porno rap videos back in the day. Youtube might have all the episodes.

  • Guilty Pleasure: Black Metal

    • I think you missed the point on this one.

      • Boss theSpeedMetalBastard Ross

        He meant that was your guilty pleasure and his was actually NYHC

        • more beer

          That’s not a guilty pleasure!

          • Boss theSpeedMetalBastard Ross

            Hahaha! And it shouldn’t be!

          • more beer

            Nope!

      • i don’t think he’s a fan of feeling guilty.

        • Rob M

          Im not either…thats what the beer is for

          • good call. i haven’t had a drink in seven months. had to figure out how to quit feeling guilty about shit.

          • Good for you man. That’s some serious will power, respect.

          • thx Tyree! i think it’s fair to claim that i was addicted (instead of just having a few here and there, like normal folks). how are the sober times treating you, sir?

          • Good when I’m sober. I have weak times where I break and have terrible drinking binges. I try and avoid them. It’s a battle dude as you know.

          • a year ago i didn’t think i could survive a week w/o it. perspective always changes over time. you’re a fascinating guy no matter what you do, so keep keeping us informed!

          • Killer man. Keep it up! I much enjoy being clean minded and not feeling like shit.

          • Rob M

            Nice man

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

            Not me! What little sense of guilt and shame I do have goes out the window when I drink.

    • Stanley

      Downvote!

    • i’m just glad you didn’t say Rush.
      anyone who calls Rush a guilty pleasure isn’t doing it right.

      • Boss theSpeedMetalBastard Ross

        My man!

    • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

      You listen to other things besides Natalie Imbruglia?!?! *gasps*

  • Pentagram Sam

    Been very open about my falling hard into synthwave and electronic in general so that’s out there. The “Primary” section makes me think from the formative years, pretty much all 90’s alternative. Big albums that I know the deep cuts from are Nevermind, Offspring’s Smash, Dookie, Sixteen Stone, Mellon Collie, and Pretty Hate Machine and The Downward Spiral and I haven’t listened to them in years. Throw Goo Goo Dolls in there too but I came to them much later, and Superstar Car Wash is fuckin criminally underrated.

    Really don’t like Eve 6, but their song Anytime from that snowboarding movie always makes me think of long Halo 2 sessions in college. This one dude made mix tapes all the time and included that one on there and shiiiitttt, that one brings back the smell of beer, pizza, blunts, and ashtrays all at once with loud shrieks of surprise and cussing.

  • Count_Breznak

    I guess for me it’s Rotting Christ. Disgustingly melodic and cheesy, yet I somehow don’t hate it like I should, by all means.

    • Stanley

      Dude, Thy Mighty Contract is awesome.

  • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

    Generally speaking I don’t like Godsmack at all, but I have to admit I don’t really mind this song.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgrJFWugLLs

    • brokensnow

      My first album.

    • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

      Oomph! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Godsmack

      • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

        Both are pretty shitty.

        But at least Godsmack has “some” catchy songs which are bland, but harmless. Oomph! on the other hand is just flat out torturous.

        • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

          Oomph! has some good tunes here and there. Not big on the whole Neue Deutsche Harde scene at all. Very monotone, and a lot more gimmick than music.

    • Old Man Doom

      Dude, Godsmack was a guilty pleasure of mine too, but I was way too guilty even to mention them.

      • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

        Haha well they really aren’t all that great, but on a superficial level they have a few catchy tunes. Most of the time they’re pretty bad though.

  • Sadistikexekution

    Baltimora Tarzan Boy

    • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

      You remember that Eurodance crap that poisoned the radio in the Low Countries in the 90’s ?

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Im4njDajtos

      • Eliza

        As a European, I apologise for this.

        • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

          I’m from Belgium. We were by far the most guilty contributor to this plague. Then again, I think Belgium and the Netherlands were also the countries that suffered the most from this music being played all the time.

          • Eliza

            This music still gets played sometimes on the radio here in Romania. Damned be 90’s nostalgia!

          • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

            Oh yeah, we also have these “I Love the 90’s” parties over here all the time. Thankfully, they’re easy to ignore.
            And whenever I go to a club, I mostly stay in the rooms where they play electro or acid house (which isn’t too bad) and stay away from the main dancing area, where they occasionally play stuff like this as well.

          • Eliza

            I never go out, so I don’t have to worry about these kinds of stuff! Haha!

            🙁

          • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

            Don’t sweat it. Not going out can save you a helluva lot of money sometimes.

          • Eliza

            You’re right. If i did go out, maybe I wouldn’t have had the money to buy tickets for the Iron Maiden concert in Bucharest this summer. I can’t wait.

          • you can’t put a price on that! how many times have you seen them live, or will this be #1?

          • Eliza

            Last time when they came, I was too late to buy tickets, so this will be my first time seeing them live. I am so excited that I’m smiling while reading this.

          • ooh, i’m excited for you! hope you report back with your experience. and you’re catching them after releasing a really good album, which would be better than catching them after something like A Matter of Life and Death

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

            Hey now, you did give us the almighty Front 242!!!!!!!!

          • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

            Since you seem to be into electronic stuff. Ever heard of this song? First time I listened to it, it creeped me the fuck out.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykI_y2X65TU

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

            Yep! Not big on their newer stuff, but the old stuff is pretty good dance tunes. And one of the first EDM bands that were actually a band, versus someone pushing buttons and trying to look like they’re doing something on stage.

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

            Oh, and Lords Of Acid are from there. They sorta popped out of that whole Eurodance thing, in a very funny and twisted way.

          • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

            The founder of Lords of Acid is from my province. He also has another dance project, named Praga Khan. Music’s not really my cup of tea, but in a way it’s nostalgic.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wacz3OdVsIY

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

            Lol, been a while since I heard his solo stuff, or LOA for that matter.

      • Sadistikexekution

        Ace of Base
        Army ov Lovers, I’m crucified, crucified by my saviour
        etc. etc.
        I don’t like tapping into the part of my brain that holds this information

        flush

        • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

          Yeah nowadays you have these “I Love the 90’s” parties all the time. High school girls go to those parties; they drink some alcohol, some asshole drops some acid into their drink and the same night they end up with a junky’s cock up their ass. And if that isn’t bad enough, they play the music at those parties loud enough so that an entire town is tortured by that shit music.
          They should seriously consider pulling the plug on those parties.

          • Sadistikexekution

            I have kids man, I’m so scared of them being drugged.
            So many depraved mofos on the streets these days.

      • Sadistikexekution
    • I like that song, zero fucks given.

  • Eliza

    When it comes to music, I find the idea of feeling guilt for liking something pretty ridiculous. To me, a guilty pleasure is something that I can’t find any good reasons why I like it, at the same time being aware that it may not be so good. While I don’t listen to them as much now as I used to do, there was a time I loved Aerosmith. I don’t know what about their music made me like it and I definitely find a lot of flaws about their output that I didn’t a while back. Still, whenever “I don’t want to miss a thing” plays on the radio, I listen to it until the end, so that’s my guilty pleasure.

    • Ol Dirty Blastbeard
    • Rob M

      Depends on what era of Aerosmith youre talking about..Their later stuff would probably be considered a guilty pleasure, but their first few rightfully stand next to any hard rock/proto-metal albums of the time

      • more beer

        They were certainly better when they were sniffing thousands of dollars worth of coke everyday. Getting straight ruined them.

      • Eliza

        Their 70’s albums are good. Starting with Permanent Vacation came out, their music went downhill.

        • Rob M

          Yeah, I think thats about the time they made a turn towards radio rock

          • Paddlin’ Rites ov Beargod

            It’s like they went on a… vacation, permanently.

          • Eliza

            Their good music did. They kept making albums which weren’t very good, like Just Push Play.

          • Eliza

            It worked out for them, they became very successful, sadly.

        • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

          I like Permanent Vacation. After that though, they went all grandpa rock.

          • can our resident dad rock expert moonlight as a grandpa rock expert just for one discussion?

          • Janitor Jim Duggan

            I was busy so I couldn’t answer. Anything after they got sober is awful.

          • Eliza

            Permanent Vacation doesn’t do anything for me, which is better that what they did afterwards, which just irritates me with its mediocrity.

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

            I was 11 or 12 last time I heard it, but I thought it kicked ass at the time. Dunno what I’d think if I listened to it now.

          • Eliza

            Yeah, that might sound differently now.

    • Janitor Jim Duggan

      Aerosmith is a guilty pleasure of mine as well.

      • Ol Dirty Blastbeard

        my mom hates aerosmith because shes a huge Mick Jagger fangrrl

      • Eliza

        Really? What’s you favorite album by them. Mine’s Rocks.

        • Janitor Jim Duggan

          Mine is either Rock In A Hard Place or Night In The Ruts.

          • Eliza

            I don’t particularly like any of those, but if you enjoy them, it’s fine.

      • Max

        I know a guy whose favourite band is Aerosmith. That always struck me as really strange. Some people like Aerosmith and some hate ’em; but since when was Aerosmith any mainstream rock fan’s FAVOURITE band? It’s a bit like being a death metal fan and saying your favourite band is Broken Hope.

    • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

      Well…Aerosmith is not Bon Jovi…I’ll give them that much…

      • Eliza

        I was thinking about mentioning Bon Jovi as well, but I realized I’ve never liked them. Not even as a guilty pleasure. My only feeling toward them is that it annoys me they’re so overplayed.

        • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

          I think Bon Jovi is just annoying in general.

          • Eliza

            I wasn’t into them even when I liked glam metal.

          • more beer

            I had to sit through one of his sets in 84. He was touring with Ozzy and Accept. It was horrible and I will never get that 30 minutes back.

          • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

            30 minutes…

            Fuck…I couldn’t even make it through one song.

          • more beer

            Thankfully it was a general admission show. So I just went up to the nosebleed seats and smoked a lot of weed during his set.

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

            Lol, I wouldn’t have smoked during that set. It would’ve made it seem that much longer and torturous.

          • more beer

            I had to dull the pain.

          • Eliza

            Because the people who came to see Ozzy and Accept would obviously be excited for Bon Jovi. Seriously, what moron organised that tour?

          • more beer

            probably Sharon Osbourne.

          • Eliza

            I can see that happening.

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

            Spinal Tap’s manager?

          • Eliza

            Given this situation, it’s plausible.

          • more beer

            Sharon Osbourne managed them too?

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

            Spinal Tap?

          • more beer

            Yea since she was Ozzy’s manager by then. She probably set up the tour we were talking about. So she would have had to be Spinal Taps manager to if that was the case.

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

            Lol, I was joking.

          • more beer

            I know I was fucking with you.

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls
          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

            Yep!!!!! I can’t name one song I ever liked of their’s, even when I heard them as a kid.

          • more beer

            Plus he is responsible for a lot of people wearing those stupid leather jackets with the fringes in the 80’s.

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

            GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! To be fair, I think the WWF had a lot to do with that as well.

          • more beer

            Nah it was Bon Jovi. I was there I know what I am talking about.

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls
          • Janitor Jim Duggan

            I love his song Never Been A Right Time To Say Goodbye.

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

            BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

          • more beer

            That jacket is not a good example.

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls
          • more beer

            No one wore shit like that except wrestlers. Plain black leather mc’s with fringes.

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

            Oh, those things! GAH!!!

          • more beer

            Yea they were horrible.

      • Janitor Jim Duggan

        I like Bon Jovi.

        • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

          Dammit JJD!

          • Janitor Jim Duggan

            Frank plz! Some of the first music I loved was bands like them and Journey!

          • Eliza

            Journey is cheesy enough that they’re enjoyable, but Bon Jovi is just bland.

          • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

            Dammit JJD! (2)

          • more beer

            It doesn’t matter how many times you say dammit. It will not change the fact he likes some horrible music.

          • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

            If he likes it, he likes it. Nothing wrong with that. It’s all subjective anyway.

            In my subjective opinion though…I’d rather pierce my eardrums with a rusty nail than having to listen to an entire Bon Jovi album.

          • more beer

            The only thing I can see differently. Is the tool I would use to pierce my eardrums, I would use a hot soldering iron.

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

            Hey now, I LOVE Journey!!!!!!

          • more beer

            Dammit KJU!

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

            Don’t worry, I’ll be forever your’s, faithfully.

          • more beer

            GAH!

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

            Does this we won’t be lovin’, touchin’, and squeezin’?

          • more beer

            Yea sorry I just have a thing for ladies.

    • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

      You liked them because they were actually good before they started doing grandpa ballads (not to mention Steve Tyler’s hillbilly hee haw shit lately). :-p
      Steve and Joe really need to start doing booze and cocaine again, and put out at least one more good album before they call it quits. They’re saying the next tour will most likely be their last.

      • Eliza

        Yes, their 70’s music are good and I enjoy them. I think they’ve should’ve called it quits a long time ago.

      • Ol Dirty Blastbeard

        i dont think theyll survive getting that fucked up again, theyre no Keith Richards

        • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

          Eh, they’ve had a lot of time to recover!

        • more beer

          But no one can hang with Kieth Richards. The man is a legend in drug abuse.

          • Janitor Jim Duggan

            Ozzy begs to differ

          • more beer

            Kieth Richards is even higher up on the drug food chain than Ozzy.

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

            And far less brain damage than Ozzy.

          • more beer

            Yes and doing it longer. He is the undisputed champion of substance abuse!

          • Janitor Jim Duggan

            That is true…

    • Old Man Doom

      This is a fair point at the beginning, but I think we live in a world where certain systems and ideologies make it very hard for people to express themselves the way they want to, thus making them feel guilty about the things they like. It makes for a culture of shame and exclusion. This applies for more than just music, but it is particularly relevant in our relatively hermetic extreme metal scene. The fact that so many toileteers feel confident enough with their own listening is awesome, but there are certainly those who still feel weird/uncomfortable/ashamed/guilty/what have you about things they like (myself included).

      • Eliza

        I feel that way too, sometimes, but then I remind myself that there are people who like music that is much worse without feeling anything like guilt, so I kind of try to forget about it.

  • Stanley

    What about music that falls into the sketchy or down right offensive category? A lot of metal heads struggle with the age old art vs artist adage. I listen to “Incorrigible Bigotry” quite often, but I know I shouldn’t. 🙁

    • Ol Dirty Blastbeard

      probably because that albums the shit

    • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

      The riffing on that album is top notch. Personally I don’t really struggle with that art vs artist thing. The fact that I don’t like the people behind the music, doesn’t mean I can’t like the music itself. That’s each to their own though.

      • Stanley

        I’m with you, but I do feel slight pangs of guilt every now and again. For me, the music has to be extra special for this type of guilty pleasure to looked passed.

        • Don’t feel too bad, I’m seeing GBK in September.

          • Stanley

            I would totally go to that too. 🙁

            I am a bad person.

          • Ol Dirty Blastbeard

            wanntttt

          • Have you seen the roster for Hells Headbash Part 3? It’s solid. Which reminds me I need to book my hotel today.

          • Ol Dirty Blastbeard

            yes, if i had the funds i would go

        • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

          In Arghoslent’s case the lyrics are racist as fuck, that’s why the feeling of guilt is more prominent while listening to this than for instance Burzum – who, as far as I know, doesn’t sell his bigoted opinions in his music.

          Anyway, I know myself and I know for a fact that I’m not even close to being a racist. I won’t really lose much sleep over this.

          • Stanley

            Agreed again on both counts.

            I guess knowing that I’m not racist is slightly different from “condoning” someone that is. Although not much. Hence the guilt.

          • Stanley

            Also, I didn’t really want my original comment to be construed as just race related. There are a lot of bad people in the world that make music and some of us buy/listen to it. All the lyrical themes, e.g. gore, mysogyny, etc. is not beyond reproach but often seems looked passed.

          • Rob M

            Thats the thing for me…racists dudes doing non-racist metal isnt really an issue as far as Im concerned (though I know it is for some). When it gets into a message thats obviously racist it becomes a bit more fuzzy for me

          • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

            Yeah, I understand why some people would keep away from a certain band because one or more members are racist. Personally I just have zero problems with separating the art from the artist. I think for instance Filosofem is way too good to pass up just because the guy who created the music is a fucking dolt. That’s each to their own though, everybody should spent his/her money the way he/she wants to.

          • Rob M

            Exactly…no one should ever buy something thats making them uncomfortable, and Im fine with that, but lets be honest, theres a lot of chucklefucks in metal and if you dig far enough youre probably going to find something you dont like about them

          • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

            Not just in metal. If you dig far enough into really a lot of people, you’ll find something to dislike. I’m not a racist or misogynist, but that doesn’t mean I’m a saint. Most people can be assholes whenever they feel like it.

          • Ol Dirty Blastbeard

            ivr never met a person that didnt have some belief i didnt agree with (i am an atheist, for one).

            i just hate shortsighting myself out of good tunes man

          • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

            Yeah, same. And I’m not really one to judge others.
            Small confession: in real life I have/had a bit of an ugly temper. Even in primary school I was fighting with other kids all the time hahaha. Thankfully anger management really did help a great deal.

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

            Small confession: I’m sort of a weeb, which makes people want me that much more.

          • Ol Dirty Blastbeard

            sort of?

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

            Yes, I have to be humble about such magnificence, or it’ll all go to my head.

          • I genuinely don’t give a fuck what people listen to on their own time. I have an issue when this site is used as promotion for bands with overtly racist messages. That makes me, and the community as a whole, complicit in spreading hateful messages from some vile asshole. There are plenty of sites and people that are cool with that. I’m not.

          • Rob M

            ..and I can understand that. As I said, when the message is blatantly passed along in the music I get a bit uncomfortable with it myself.
            Usually the music has to be good enough for me to overlook it, and even then Im probably not interested in actively spreading their names around as recommendations of bands to check out

    • Riffs galore.

    • take an agreed-upon test. if the listener is ranked high enough on a scale relating to rationality, he/she is allowed to listen. if his status was ever challenged (i.e. cries of “you’re a racist!”) the certificate with his score could be presented.

    • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

      There’s only one band (Deathspell Omega, because of their pedo side project) I can think of where I simply won’t separate the art from the artist given the subject matter, but otherwise I couldn’t care less. I like Wagner, Burzum, and Gorgoroth (thankfully Gaahl’s comments about blacks came after I did the interview, otherwise I wouldn’t have done it), and they’re definitely racist as fuck, though it doesn’t come out in the music.

      • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

        DsO has a pedo side project?

        • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

          Yup.

          • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

            Honestly didn’t know about that. That’s disappointing to say the least. I really, and I do mean REALLY, like their music.

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

            I wasn’t a big fan to begin with, so it wasn’t much of a loss.

          • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

            The strange thing is that I’ve thought about this previously…a lot of musicians try to have this “bad image”, but with Aspa I’ve had the feeling before that that guy might actually be a real evil piece of shit.

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

            Several of the guys here were discussing him, and yeah, from what I’ve read, he’s definitely got ‘sex offender and possible serial killer waiting to happen’ written all over him.

          • frozengoatsheadupanunsarse

            I don’t think the project is supposed to be an endorsement of the subject so much as an exploration. It’s one of Mikko Aspa’s power electronics things. I’ve not listened to it myself though, and generally think paedophilia is one of the subjects to be incredibly wary of in art.

          • more beer

            It is a subject that shouldn’t even be explored. It seems to me, if this is something someone is exploring. It is something they want to do.

          • frozengoatsheadupanunsarse

            I don’t think that’s necessarily the case, although it may well be in some cases. I think sometimes people just think that they have something serious and worthwhile to say about it. The trouble is that in most cases they don’t, and whatever the high minded intentions they just end up being exploitative in a bad way.

          • more beer

            This pushes the limits of exploration. This was probably Ian Watkins soundtrack to his crimes. I am all about freedom and art. But some things should be left unsaid.

          • frozengoatsheadupanunsarse

            I would essentially agree with that.

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

            Exactly.

          • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

            I try to stay away from anything having to do with paedophilia in general. That and animal cruelty are two things that make me wanna go on a rampage.

          • more beer

            As it does most people. I am pretty indifferent to what adults do to each other. But fucking with kids and animals pisses me off.

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

            And fucking with the elderly.

          • more beer

            That too.

          • frozengoatsheadupanunsarse

            I’m much the same. Plenty of time for most kinds of dark material, but some things are just too horrid to be of use.

          • Ol Dirty Blastbeard

            animal cruelty is something i cannot abide (says the meateater)

          • more beer

            Eating a cow or other animal raised for food. Is much different than eating your pet.

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

            I could never eat my pet. *quickly runs to the backyard and unties Tapir from the rotisserie before anyone notices*

          • more beer

            Let me know if Tapir tastes like chicken or pork.

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

            Neither. Tastes like tires and battery acid.

          • more beer

            So he tastes sort of like an old school X pill.

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

            I don’t remember X tasting like anything, actually. Depends on how old school, I guess (I did it back in 2000).

          • more beer

            I always thought it wa what battery acid would taste like.

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

            I think of what battery acid would taste like, I think of Stack (the high gravity beer. Gah, I literally get nauseated remembering the taste).

          • frozengoatsheadupanunsarse

            I would argue that not all killing of an animal is inherently cruel. I can appreciate the opposite view though.

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

            Halal butchering is actually quite humane. Still brutal (not in a metal way) in the fact you’re killing an animal nonetheless, but as humane as you can be about the whole thing.

          • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

            Halal butchering really isn’t as bad as it may seem. They immediately cut through the carotid artery, after which the animal almost directly passes out. It looks messy, but there’s actually very little suffering for the animal.

          • more beer

            He is correct.

  • Boss theSpeedMetalBastard Ross

    I really enjoy this write up Old Man Doom, good work. Personally I was raised on Black Sabbath, Public Enemy, Muddy Waters, Oingo Boingo and Hank Williams. And I have no guilt with anything I listen to. There are probably more than a few bands you guys would deem “cringe-worthy” that i enjoy haha! But i have no problem telling you about them.

    • Ol Dirty Blastbeard

      of the four LPs i got in yesterday, 20BS sent me another copy of Oranssi Pazuzus Varahtelija instead of Valonielu.

      hopefully theyll correct this

      • Paddlin’ Rites ov Beargod

        Valonielu>Vibrator

        • Ol Dirty Blastbeard

          its definitely more digestable. i really like both. but Kosmonaut more

          • Paddlin’ Rites ov Beargod

            I dig Kosmonaut a lot, but what I think Värähtelijä did wrong was repeating every mistake Kosmonument did (usually exponentially). Every OP albums is great, but logically it follows that those are #4 and #5 honestly.

          • Ol Dirty Blastbeard

            where would you put Valonielu?

          • Paddlin’ Rites ov Beargod

            Since the debut and Valonielu are on the level with the split it’s really hars to say. On a good day #1, on a regular day just behind Muukalainen.

      • Boss theSpeedMetalBastard Ross

        Oh shit, hopefully they do.

    • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

      I wouldn’t have taken you for an Oingo Boingo fan, but certainly no guilt in that. Danny Elfman is an absolute genius. Hopefully he’ll do at least one more OB cd or concert, but that’s almost definitely not going to happen, considering his age, hearing problems, and all that loot he’s making doing Tim Burton soundtracks.

      • Boss theSpeedMetalBastard Ross

        Oingo Boingo is seriously one of my favorite bands of all time. As you said, Elfman is a genius.

        • Sir Tapir The Based

          I have never listened to Oingo Boingo, but their very name makes me hate them.

          • Super 80s, but they got some jamz. And Danny Elfman composed the theme for The Simpsons.

          • more beer

            I only really remember them having one popular song in the 80’s.

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

            They had several hits back in the 80’s (Dead Man’s Party, Nothing Bad Ever Happens To Me, Weird Science, and Winning Side are the ones I can think of off the top of my head)

          • more beer

            I remember one video and not even the name of the song.

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

            It’s probably one of those.

          • more beer

            I couldn’t say. I didn’t pay much attention to them.

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

            You should remedy that!

          • more beer

            No I will continue to not pay attention to them.

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

            Your loss!

          • more beer

            I don’t really think so. I have lived this long without that band.

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

            Oh, yeah, forgot about that!

          • frozengoatsheadupanunsarse

            And Forbidden Zone is an awesome film.

          • Old Man Doom

            Oingo jamz go hard as fuck

          • Boss theSpeedMetalBastard Ross

            Yes they do.

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

            You should remedy that, man(g)e! Finntroll even covered them a while back, and consider OB a major influence.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAQCNvybcXk

          • Sir Tapir The Based

            I stopped Moonsorrow for this? Never again.

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

            Didn’t know you were jamming them, so as you were! Nothing, NOTHING should get in the way of jamming some Moonsorrow.

          • Sir Tapir The Based

            The new one is one of their best. I seriously hope you’ve heard it already.

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

            Nah, haven’t found it on Youtube (I like to give the CD a full spin before I buy), and funds are short until next week.

          • Sir Tapir The Based

            If I knew how to send digital shit I could send it to you.

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

            Hmmmmmmmmm……….. I might be able to figure out something.

          • Sir Tapir The Based

            I could probably send it if I knew your email.

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls
          • Sir Tapir The Based

            Danke schön. I’ll try something.

          • Sir Tapir The Based

            Ok, I sent you an email. Hope it worked.

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

            Not seeing anything yet. Might take a minute since they’re probably larger files. Thanks, man!

          • Sir Tapir The Based

            Says sent on me. I sent it as a test to my other email and it arrived.

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

            It came. It landed in my spam folder (gmail does that if it doesn’t recognize the email), but I got it sent over to my inbox. Thanks again! 😀

          • Sir Tapir The Based

            No problem, fam.

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

            Lol, I have to wonder why you have a picture of Brendon Frasier on your email avatar.

          • Sir Tapir The Based
          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

            Looks like he’s munching on golf balls.

          • Boss theSpeedMetalBastard Ross

            Haha! Lameo

          • Paddlin’ Rites ov Beargod

            Finntroll covered them.

          • Sir Tapir The Based

            Does my face look like it cares. It does not look like it cares. One of my toes cares a bit, but that guy’s a fuckface.

        • Old Man Doom

          Love me some Oingo Boingo. I unashamedly listen to them regularly. Got a 1st pressing copy of Dead Man’s Party from ebay a little while ago.

          • Boss theSpeedMetalBastard Ross

            I picked up Nothing To Fear a few years back and when I got it home I found the insert for Dead Man’s Party. It had me fairly confused.

  • Janitor Jim Duggan

    Mine are the later Slayer albums that aren’t Christ Illusion, Foghat and April Wine. April Wine is so good.

    • Boss theSpeedMetalBastard Ross

      Foghat is a guilty pleasure?

      • Janitor Jim Duggan

        To me it is. People consider it unintelligent frat rock but I enjoy their brand of radio friendly boogie.

        • Boss theSpeedMetalBastard Ross

          Don’t let the man get you down.

          • Janitor Jim Duggan

            You should see what people say about April Wine.

          • Sir Tapir The Based

            It’s really bad.

          • Janitor Jim Duggan

            How did you know? I’ve never met any fans of April Wine.

          • Boss theSpeedMetalBastard Ross

            For the record, Tapir doesn’t count.

  • The Tetrachord of Archytas

    There’s this guy who goes by the name Joy Electric and he does synth pop kinda stuff. He does everything analog with vintage synths and doesn’t use a click or anything like that. It’s all him crafting these sounds. I’m not actually guilty about loving his stuff, but I remember him doing an interview once where he talks about how for him there’s no such thing as guilty pleasures and that still affects me to this day. https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=PLFc7_JS3cjtvT4LiATS6cDSDSEwLXOcxr&v=9H21hLfZ0T0

  • more beer

    Here is something some of you might want to check out the article and the attached music. This guy has project using only human bones to make music.http://www.noecho.net/features/track-premiere-156-kokoro

    • frozengoatsheadupanunsarse

      This is good creepy stuff!

      • more beer

        It is. Not metal but metal as fuck. Adel Souto has a rather interesting catalog.

        • frozengoatsheadupanunsarse

          I don’t listen to a huge amount of noise/industrial fare but he’s doing the trick for me presently.

          • more beer

            I don’t either. But the guy has his hand in a lot of genres. If something doesn’t work for you something else probably will.

  • frozengoatsheadupanunsarse

    I don’t really have guilty pleasures in my regular listening, i.e., weekdays, sober. Even stuff that’s a bit suspect in terms of sound or songwriting, say Striborg or other such black metal outsiders fulfils some kind of important need to me (often a need for weirdness) that I don’t have any issues with justifying. My drunken listening can be a bit different though, tends to involve quite a lot of 70’s and 80’s pop hits, in many cases by acts with whom I don’t really have much interest in as artists and am only into for a few minutes of easy pleasure. I feel a bit more guilty about that, just because I like to hold to more of a standard of serious interest in/appreciation of artists. I hope that doesn’t sound too pretentious…

  • Paddlin’ Rites ov Beargod

    I don’t feel guilty listening to anything I do, but to me that’s kinda missing the point of what a guilty pleasure is.
    However, I don’t think my pop-listening counts. I like a lot of weird stuff, hard-to-get-to not-really-music and extended prog. But I also live honest hooks whether they be remarkable riffs, memorable melodies or just catchy choruses.
    I ‘spose something like the few tech-death bands I enjoy are guilty pleasures. I don’t like the genre, but shit like Unhuman, Killitorous, DLO and Alterbeast (maybe Wormes too) just work for me. Same with all the brutal & slamming song/bands I enjoy (there’s not much o’ them).

    • Paddlin’ Rites ov Beargod

      Also, Skwee is just stupid fun. Hecking stupid, fun.

  • Berit Dogg

    Manowar! Although the double exposure of awesome and retarded is the whole point of the band. And on the subject of “art vs. artist”, none of that would happen if those guys weren’t dead serious about it all. To me, one of the unique thrills of being a metal fan is that weird mix of “hell yeah” and embarrassment that his me every time I get to the “Die! Die!” part of “Kill With Power”….

    • Boss theSpeedMetalBastard Ross

      Woah woah woah, Manowar as a guilty pleasure? LEAVE THE HALL

      • Berit Dogg

        Yes, of course. I apologize. Sorry.

        • Boss theSpeedMetalBastard Ross

          Haha, you’re good man. As long as you listen to and enjoy Manowar, I’m happy. Not that my opinion really matters. Haha!

          • Berit Dogg

            Alright, I will continue with my embarrasing Manowar-listening, now also at the same time being ashamed that I’m not metal enough to like them totally unironically. This will no doubt deepen my enjoyment! Thank you sir!

          • Boss theSpeedMetalBastard Ross

            Happy to oblige!

          • Berit Dogg

            And now, l’d like to talk about my mixed feelings about “Reign in Blood”…

          • Boss theSpeedMetalBastard Ross

            Ooooh, tread lightly.

          • Sir Tapir The Based

            Sounds good, unlike Reign in Blood.

          • Paddlin’ Rites ov Beargod

            Point for the Tapir.

          • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

            DISQUALIFIED!

          • Sir Tapir The Based

            *clears throat*
            SLAYERSUCKSSLAYERSUCKSSLAYERSUCKSSLAYERSUCKSSLAYERSUCKSSLAYERSUCKSSLAYERSUCKSSLAYERSUCKS

          • brokensnow

            mmmmm…saw a dude with slayer carved in his chest with a box knife at a festival. Whether stupid or not, I’ve never seen that kind of dedication, for lets say…..oommph…….

          • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

            *clears throat as well*

            TAPIRSWRONGTAPIRSWRONGTAPIRSWRONGTAPIRSWRONGTAPIRSWRONGTAPIRSWRONGTAPIRSWRONGTAPIRSWRONGTAPIRSWRONGTAPIRSWRONGTAPIRSWRONGTAPIRSWRONGTAPIRSWRONGTAPIRSWRONGTAPIRSWRONG

          • Sir Tapir The Based

            I can feel the stabbity coming.

          • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

            Leave it to the Tapir to bring a knife to a gun fight.

          • Sir Tapir The Based

            So as I was looking for a good meme about this subject, I stumbled upon pics of people that had been killed with knives. Today was a good day.

          • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

            Stab wounds do look cooler than gunshot wounds. No argument there.

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls
          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls
          • Janitor Jim Duggan

            You have never been as wrong as you are now.

          • Sir Tapir The Based

            Nah man. If you had working ears you would hear how bad it is.

          • Janitor Jim Duggan

            You’re still wrong. I have working ears and Reign In Blood is so good.

          • Sir Tapir The Based

            Your ears don’t work if you think Reign in Blood is good. Neither do your brains.

          • Janitor Jim Duggan

            Yes they do.

      • Paddlin’ Rites ov Beargod

        *copy paste yesterday*

        • Boss theSpeedMetalBastard Ross

          That’s your one for the day, oh mighty Beargod.

          Nice doing business with you.

          • Sir Tapir The Based

            I haven’t used mine yet.

          • Boss theSpeedMetalBastard Ross

            Choose wisley, my worthy opponent.

          • Paddlin’ Rites ov Beargod

            I listened to Fighting The World the other day and Oh My Fharc, that’s gotta be the worst KISS album I’ve forces myself through in an aeon.

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

            Manowar >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KISS

            KISS puts on a good live show, but holy fuck, they are one of the worst bands to ever disgrace rock n roll. And they gave us Gene Simmons, which is equally unforgivable.

          • Eliza

            Could not agree more.

          • Sir Tapir The Based

            I’d say KISS and Manowar are equally terrible, but KISS is a bit worse because Simmons.

          • Berit Dogg

            No, Manowar fucking rules! Unfortunately.

          • Boss theSpeedMetalBastard Ross

            My new friend!

          • Eliza

            Why “Unfortunately”?

          • Berit Dogg

            Because I DON’T know how to separate art from artist..

          • Eliza

            That’s a tough thing to do and I don’t blame you.

          • Sir Tapir The Based

            Never talk to me or my son again.

          • Eliza

            I’m not surprised that you don’t like any of these bands, but I’m with you about Simmons.

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

            Manowar is so so so much better than KISS, which isn’t saying much. I like Ace Of Base better than I do KISS.

          • Sir Tapir The Based

            Ace of Base is also bad.

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

            Small confession: I own a copy of The Sign after all these years.

        • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls
  • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

    Can’t say I have any guilty pleasures, given my incredible lack of guilt or shame. But, here’s a couple where my friends scratch their heads and go “WTF, he listens to this on top of all of THAT (death metal, power metal, etc)?!?”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1ZB_rGFyeU
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihNaFCEd0Ms&nohtml5=False

    • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

      Wait… Oomph! and Die Krupps are not guilty pleasures?

      • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

        Nope! Definitely not Die Krupps, since I’ve been a fan for 22 years.

      • Maik Beninton™

        Oomph! is really good.

        • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

          Tried to listen to them. That really just isn’t my thing.

  • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

    I saw an interesting article on Fark yesterday that should make for some interesting discussion here: Name one album that would otherwise be perfect, or just really good, if it wasn’t for one song.

    • Boss theSpeedMetalBastard Ross

      That would be a good sunday sesh!

      • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

        I figured Sunday Sesh was pretty much an open swim (IIRC, Dubs said that a couple of weeks ago), but then again pretty much every thread here ends up being one, lol.

        • Boss theSpeedMetalBastard Ross

          Ha, this is true. But i think a full sinday sesh dedicated to the topic would be really cool

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

            That is all in the soft and subtle hands of the admins.

          • Sir Tapir The Based

            I don’t think it would be a good sinday sesh. Maybe it would make a good Sunday Sesh, but definitely not sinday.

          • Boss theSpeedMetalBastard Ross

            You bastard.

    • frozengoatsheadupanunsarse

      Got my vote for a Sunday sesh too.

    • Count_Breznak

      Ah Fark, where 40somethings pat each other on the back for recognizing ancient memes, and reassure each other they are totally not rednecks with delusions of grandeur.

      • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

        Eh, I’ve been a member there for over 14 years, and it’s still one of my all time favorite sites. Haven’t noticed the rednecks with delusions of grandeur part, but then again I haven’t been to the Politics tab (and most likely never will be). Mostly, it’s old farts like me with a very snarky and dark sense of humor.

      • CyberneticOrganism
  • brokensnow
    • Ol Dirty Blastbeard

      in no way should CO&CA be a “guilty” pleasure

      • Sir Tapir The Based

        in no way should CO&CA be a pleasure

        • Ol Dirty Blastbeard

          suck it, tapir!

        • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

          This new Moonsorrow definitely is! Goatdayum, it’s even better than I expected!

    • CyberneticOrganism

      GAAAAHH

    • Backed.

  • brokensnow

    One of the better nu bands, but still….
    https://youtu.be/uvQMPagkFPA

    • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

      Definitely one of the better vocalists in the genre. Their music in itself is really bland and generic though. Never did anything for me.

      • brokensnow

        lyrically it was either very good or super bruh bad as well.

        • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

          I only know a few songs of them to be honest, mostly from the rock video programs that were on MTV back in the day. Never really bothered to listen to a full album by them. I do remember a lot of shitty nu bands from those programs.

          • brokensnow

            Listen to the song, my letter. high point for the band.

  • brokensnow

    LLLOOVVEEE this song. Back to my closet.
    https://youtu.be/3aDAFLbozCE

  • brokensnow

    So who’s going to Hed P.E./Powerman 5000 tonight?………This guuuuuyyyyy!

    • Great, JJD has a novelty account now . . .

    • Janitor Jim Duggan

      I wish they were coming near me. They’re not.

  • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls
  • Max

    Speaking as an avowed fan of the “credible” Slayer output, I can categorically state that there’s nothing wrong at all with liking “Disciple”, which is a good song. Even the boring Slayer albums (Diabolus, etc.) usually do have 2-3 decent songs on them.

    I’m also quite enjoying that Deadmau5 thing you’ve posted; thanks for doing so since I’d never have encountered it otherwise.

    I’m one of those people who is too “cool” and “mature” to feel that he has any “guilty pleasures” anymore – if I like it, then everybody else has to give it the benefit of the doubt. In other words, I’m a TASTEMAKER.

    All egotism aside, my theory is that what we label “guilty pleasures” are really just a short-hand explanation for an unexamined predisposition that we personally have towards particular scales, instrumentation, rhythm, timbre, etc.; but which we happen to have found in music that features negative cultural signifiers that might stop us from admitting it.

    In English, what this means is that I might like music which plays at 135 bpm, uses the aeolian mode, features distorted electric guitar and a strong back-beat dominated by kick and snare drum. This could just as easily describe a Britney Spears song as a Judas Priest song (depending on what Britney’s producers have done), but what makes our potential enjoyment of her song problematic is the cultural factor in relation to ourselves (“My kid sister’s idiot valley-girl friends like Britney; I like metal” etc.).

    Once you start to accept that the music was made for you personally rather than for somebody else that you’re culturally alienated from, it becomes less guilty.

    • Boss theSpeedMetalBastard Ross

      Well put as always Max!

    • On the one hand, your theory could explain why I enjoy the first Killers album so much. They take the playing style, instrumentation and timbres of post-punk and bend it all toward saccharine synth-pop.

      On the other, your theory is a tad reductionist. In my case, I am turned off by any two things which sound too alike. Generally speaking.

      That said, I am a sucker for certain chord progressions. Pair one such chord progression with a killer melody and I am putty in your hands.

    • Old Man Doom

      Right on, man. I think you’ve an actually scientific explanation here. Good stuff.

  • Dave Vincent’s Perm

    Rings of Saturn. That is all.

    • Ol Dirty Blastbeard

      i can feel this one

  • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

    Carly Rae Jepsen’s new one was my favorite of 2015, which proves my utter lack of guilt or shame. Fight me!

    https://media.giphy.com/media/11RNDRmsl07RJu/giphy.gif

    • Old Man Doom

      fightin’ ’round the wurld!

      • OMD do you like any pop? Join us in self embarassment!

      • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

        Where’s that pussy, cancer? I’ll beat it’s ass!

  • COAL ROLL

    Wow

  • COAL ROLL

    Images and Words

    • Ol Dirty Blastbeard

      dope album

    • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

      Nothing wrong with that!

  • tigeraid

    Good read. This may be helped by seeing your first three guilty pleasures are also my guilty pleasures.

    I continue to enjoy BLS, even if some of their more…. passionate fans are goofs. My very first metal show was Butcher Babies and BLS.

    Inb4 GETCHA PULL, etc.

    • Ol Dirty Blastbeard

      whoa

    • Boss theSpeedMetalBastard Ross

      GETCHA PULL was Dime not Zakk

      • tigeraid

        Oh I’m well aware, but the fan grouping seems to be very similar.

        • Boss theSpeedMetalBastard Ross

          Just giving you shit. Mr. Commando.

          • tigeraid

            fuck sakes.

          • Boss theSpeedMetalBastard Ross

            It’s okay, I’m done now.

    • Dubs

      I posted about this in the group, but several years ago, I saw Children of Bodom, Clutch, and BLS on Halloween night. BLS kinda bored me, but Clutch brought it.

      • Boss theSpeedMetalBastard Ross

        Because CLUTCH

      • tigeraid

        I knew it! Judasssssssss.

        I dig the occasional Children of Bodom too, mind you.

        I really dug BLS live, though Zakk’s ridiculous 15 minute finger-bleeding solos really do get boring after the third one. I really did not enjoy the Butcher Babies’ music, but I must admit, they’re a hell of a live act and the crowd was fucking jacked for them. It produced a surprising first-metal-show experience.

        The first act was actually Battlecross, who I love, but I only got to catch their last song, unfortunately.

  • Crab Nicholson

    Yeah, pretty much. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcNo07Xp8aQ (first heard this at a bar while playing pool, lost my shit)

    • Dubs

      I like dis

  • Janitor Jim Duggan

    Also I love Survivor who are the ultimate guilty pleasure band.

    • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

      No guilt in that! I love em too.

  • CyberneticOrganism
    • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

      Oddly enough, I like this one too.

  • Coprolytic

    It is said that the ability to hold a paradox is one hallmark of an emotionally mature intelligence. Therefore your acceptance of guilty pleasures is a symbol of self-actualization.

    In my case I reduce the cognitive dissonance by accepting that my taste in music is horrible. I like hour-long plods accompanied by stupid bong-centric lyrics, black metal screamed by white men who cut themselves on stage and shot themselves in the head, and goregrind about broken bottle ass raping. None of this is acceptable. I also like bagpipe music, with just bagpipes, and bagpipes are the worst. Just because I also like the “right” metal bands too doesn’t fix any of this.

    Just reading this article I got Tom Tom Club’s Genius of Love stuck in my head. Only way to get it out is some banjo slam, or maybe Sandstorm.

  • Guppusmaximus

    Could be construed as a guilty pleasure or commentary about the above article… You decide!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XcKBmdfpWs

  • Lord Ov Kapsko

    I rarely listen to stuff other than metal, but when I do it’s mainly G-Funk, mongol throat singing like Huun-Huur-Tu, E-Rotic and Initial D soundtrack. Banjo slam is the new shit.