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Nazibuttz fuck off.

National Socialist Black Metal, better known as NSBM, is a subgenre of black metal focused on the themes, beliefs, and tenets of National Socialism. Despite what some commenters on political websites may think, National Socialism is not Socialism. It’s a close cousin to fascism. Even searching for national socialism in wikipedia redirects straight to the entry on Nazism. Or to put it in clearer terms, NSBM is just a bunch of Nazis playing black metal.

Other genres certainly have their subgenres of hate music. Hardcore and punk are no strangers to the red suspender crowd. Rockabilly and Psychobilly get their far share as well. Hell, there’s probably even a ska band out there that wants you to “pick it up” for the master race. For whatever reason, though, those types of bands stay regulated to their own circles. NSBM bands, on the other hand, have managed to creep into a wider audience and gain the attention and fandom of people who would not normally associate with people sharing their views. It’s one of the reasons I tend to be very wary of black metal in general. A quick Google search of black metal bands and ‘NSBM’ bring up a lot of mentions, whether they’re speculative or definitive proof of a band’s views. It’s enough for some to just avoid the entire genre just to be on the safe side.

I have a slight touch of respect for people who are able to completely separate the art from the artist. There are those people who can go “I don’t agree with them, but this song is awesome!” I can’t do that. I can’t in good conscience listen to something created by a person who hates me despite never meeting me. I certainly wouldn’t give them money for anything they created. Despite separating the art from the artist, paying for their music, merchandise, or even seeing them live, is akin to supporting their message. That $10 you spent allows them to spread their message to the next city, to the next listener, to the next impressionable young metal head who is still coming to understand this world.

I tried to put myself in the shoes of someone who likes NSBM bands but doesn’t like their message. As an example, I thought of famed horror writer H.P. Lovecraft. His stories are highly inspirational and loved by a good portion of the metal community. It’s also no secret that Lovecraft was pretty damn racist. So what separates the work of Lovecraft and, say, Grand Belial’s Key. For one, Lovecraft was from a different time and was a wealthy shut-in. It doesn’t make the things he said any more acceptable, but it does provide some sort of context. Second, Lovecraft has been dead for quite some time. He is not directly benefiting from the purchase of his books. Third, the racist references were not the focus of his work as compared to NSBM bands. Of course, arguments could be made against all of these and they would certainly be valid.

There are still plenty of gray areas, and ultimately it’s up to you to decide if this is something you want to support. It’s also up to you if you want to wear these terrible NSBM shirts. In Germany, it is illegal to use and display Nazi symbols. In the United States, these shirts are protected under free speech. Of course, they’re not protected from us pointing and laughing at a bunch of hateclowns.



Via Dolorosa – Andate vaffanculo madre
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The Via Dolorosa is a street in Jerusalem that is believed to be the path the Jesus walked on the way to his crucifixtion. The more you know (insert rainbow graphic here). The band Via Dolorosa are Italian Nazi shitheads who frequently use the swastika in their promotion photos. I guess when you have albums called Total N.S.B.M. and Aryan Terrorists, you’re not looking for cross-over appeal. According to metal-achives, their themes include hatred, national socialism, Indian Philosophy, and Hinduism. Kind of strange considering Nazism’s hatred for all things with a skin pigment darker than toothpaste. Yes, I know about the whole idea that Nazis are “Aryan descendants”. That certainly explains why they have Sheeva the Destroyer (I think) on their shirt. Of course, it doesn’t explain why a bunch of non-blue-eyed and blonde Italians would have it on their shirt. To make matters worse, the design doesn’t even look finished. It’s like whoever was drawing it got distracted because he saw two guys holding hands and was too distraught to continue.

Then we have the back of this walking doucheboard. “Italian Ancestral NSBM Legend”. Maybe we can blame the poor grammar on English not being their first language. Maybe we can blame it on the band spanking each other with copies of Mein Kampf. Either explanation works for me. Someone probably should have clued in Via Dolorosa that Mussolini and Hitler weren’t exactly bffs. I guess being shitheads is a strong bond, but I don’t think ancestral Italians would fit into Shitler’s master plans.

Legion of Doom – No Hawk, No Animal, Just Assholes

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For those of you that don’t know, Legion of Doom was the alternative name of the wrestling tag-team The Road Warriors. Even if you’ve never heard of them, you may recognize the team of Hawk and Animal, with their massive physiques, painted faces, and spiked shoulder pads. I bring them up just so we have another reason to laugh at the Greek NSBM band of the same name. What, you didn’t want to call your offensive band “The Fabulous Freebirds”? How about “The Rockers”?

There’s no subtlety about this shirt. It’s a giant swastika with a baphomet in the middle of it. Pretty cut and dry. Nothing confusing about this sh…wait, what does that quote say? “…Whoever so-called Christian is a fucking Jew…”. That…that doesn’t make sense. That’s not a real sentence. It still manges to be bizarrely offensive, so…mission accomplished? Legion of Doom probably wouldn’t have had this problem if they paid more attention in school and less on how Hitler’s mustache would probably tickle them slightly if he gave them a kiss.

Maybe I’m being unfair since this is the back of the shirt. Like Via Dolorosa, English probably isn’t their first language. Maybe there’s some sort of really clever set-up on the front. Y’know, something that would really make you think. After all, they love the quote so much they’ve used it in the liner notes of their cd. It’s probably just a big misunderstanding. I guess we should probably take a look at the front of the shirt just to confirm.

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Nope. They’re just idiots.

Seges Findere – From Brazil With Nazibutts
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A Brazilian one-man band with lyrical themes focusing on white supremacy. Let that sink in for a while. That sounds like the setup for a joke. You must have really, really strong feelings about race to be in a band by yourself for 15 years. It’s no surprise that this guy couldn’t keep members for long, what with album titles such as Machine ov Jewicide, United By White Terror Propaganda, and Totalitaryan Wolflust. Try to explain to your parents that you’re listening to that one. “Gawd, Mom. You don’t understand me and my Totalitaryan Wolflust!” It might be easier to explain than a Brazilian writing white supremacy songs.

This isn’t just some bedroom band because the guy is on a record label and actually made t-shirts. Awful t-shirts. While it’s not the bluntness of a giant swastika, the message is just as clear. Nazis, portrayed as powerful monsters, about to shoot a terrified man on his knees. Seges Findere leaves nothing to interpretation as “DeSSemitize” appears underneath the picture. Cute usage of the Waffen SS symbol. If it’s one thing that Nazis love, it’s clever usage of hate symbols. Well, hating people of the Jewish faith. Out of curiosity, I checked the Jewish population of Brazil. As of 2010, the Jewish population of Brazil is a little over 107,000. That’s less than 0.050% of the entire population in the country. Seems like Seges Findere has a lot of misplaced rage. He should probably get off Stormfront and certain metal forums. It would do him some good. Fucking asshole.

Grand Belial’s Key – Shabbat Shalom, Mr. Hitler
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Like Snoop Dog’s character in the movie Half Baked, Grand Belial’s Key pops up out of nowhere whenever anti-semitism is involved. It’s like they hide in the bushes just waiting to tell you all about the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and how no Jews were killed during 9/11. Grand Belial’s Key’s favorite movie is the first half of American History X. Grand Belial’s Key’s favorite meal is mayonnaise on white bread with a cup of white rice and a glass of milk on the side for dipping. Grand Belial’s Key’s favorite politician is Mitt Romney’s teeth.

This shirt cranks up the anti-semitism with a Jewish caricature that would make Goebbels giggle. Apparently, Grand Belial’s Key thinks King Diamond is a member of the tribe, judging by this shirt. Remind me to invite him over for Passover seder next year. The phrase “The Bearded Hustlers” does make me laugh, though, due to it’s utter ridiculousness. If its goal was to make me join the band’s views, it failed. It just makes me think of ICP’s movie “Big Money Hustlas”. It just makes the caricatures seem fun and have manly beards.

The back is just as head-shakingly stupid. “poisoned rituals of the levi tribes.” Really? Chanukah? I mean, I have to assume it’s Chanukah since there’s a menorah on the table, but who knows with these goose-stepping goobers. I’d love to know the band’s rituals that trump this one. I’ll bet it involves drinking shitty beer, listening to shitty bands, and grabbing each other’s asses while yelling “No homo!”.

Taake – Craap
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So this is an interesting one. Taake don’t identify as an NSBM band. Their songs focus more on the typical black metal themes of death, dying, Satan, and the usual spooky stuff found in black metal. Their name does occasional come up in online discussions of NSBM, though. Maybe it’s because frontman Hoest performed with a Swastika scrawled across his chest (not to be confused with the time where his wee-wee was sticking out of a hole in his pants). Pretty screwed-up right? Outrage ensued, forcing Hoest to issue a statement:

“TAAKE is not a political Nazi band, etc. We certainly didn’t expect the current threat reactions, as everyone should know by now that our whole concept is built upon provocation and anything evil- and death-related. We will now censor certain symbols for the rest of the [European] tour [with URGEHAL and KOLDBRANN], and we truly apologize to all of our collaborators who might get problems because of the Essen swastika scandal…”

Okay, fine. They were just trying to be controversial to get attention and it backfired spectacularly. Fine. I don’t like it one bit, but fine. Oh, wait, that wasn’t the end of the statement.

“…(except for the Untermensch owner of that club; you can go suck a Muslim)!”

Oy. Kind of undermining your whole “we’re not a Nazi band” thing with a statement like that. It certainly explains their “Anti-Islam” shirt. So they’re not a Nazi band, they just hate Muslims enough to tell people to “go suck a Muslim” and sell a shirt stating hatred of Islam. Oh, and draw swastikas on themselves. And touring with known NSBM bands. And having troublesome lyrics. Hoest has said in interviews that he does not associate with the “Nazi scene”.

I leave it up to you to decide. Either way, this shirt sucks. Just like all the other ones.

I leave you with some Dead Kennedys, Napalm Death, and Mel Brooks doing the Hitler Rap.

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  • RustyShackleford
  • Disgustache

    Why do Nazi skinheads wear red suspenders anyway?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9r0R5me5x8

    • Matt Pike’s Sweaty Left Nipple

      This made me miss Brockie and now I haz the sadz :'(

    • dis my area. my brother was probably at this show, haha

  • zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    god bless all races—piss on internet shills—who try to portray people as racists –untruly

  • Excellent write up.

    Also, to hell with those who deny that the Holocaust never happened. That is a serious case of denial.

    GL

  • Herr Schmitty

    “It’s one of the reasons I tend to be very wary of black metal in general.” As do I; seconded. Not sure I’ve ever really heard much from black metal that attracted me to it in the first place, but the proliferation of shit-tier messages that tend to congregate in black metal bands’ ethos certainly discourages me from trying harder. Bad first impression + reputations that I’m not interested in associating with = bad recipe for exploring a genre. These shirts? Not encouraging further exploration.

    For reasons that aren’t really even clear to me, I give a much wider berth to ‘creative freedom’ among comedians than I do for film/TV/music. Even still, some level of side-eye toward comedians that punch down rather than up.

    • Phoenix of the House Tendies

      Well the thing about comedians is that they often have to push buttons to get laughs out of people. If you’re a comedian and can’t find humor in even the bleakest or most offensive of things, then your career path won’t be a long one.

      This still cracks me up though.

      https://youtu.be/dF1NUposXVQ

      • Tyree
      • CT-12

        Yo dude, completely unrelated, but would you be cool with me doing a writeup for Crossing the Thrashold? I already have the general rough draft done, all I need to do is edit it up a bit. Think you’d dig the bands I’m covering.

        • Phoenix of the House Tendies

          Well I have one nearly finished but you could put it up. I’m interested in what bands you would cover.

          • CT-12

            Since I’m not part of the FB group or anything, and I have no other way to contact you, I’ll just give it away here (I’ll delete the comment in like 5 mins), but I was gonna cover Sacral Rage and Indestroy

          • Phoenix of the House Tendies

            Duuude, I just bought the new Sacral Rage off Bandcamp. That album is so good. And yeah Indestroy rules a lot. Very good choices.

          • CT-12

            Fuck yeah dude, glad you like ’em! Yeah man, that S.R. blew my fucking balls off when I heard it, I really want one of their shirts (also debating buying the vinyl they just posted, I just don’t want the shipping to take forever).

  • Tyree

    We are going to be doing one thing, and one thing only. KILLING NAZIS.

    https://33.media.tumblr.com/3c38b812f4536548b66bec85f32cf65d/tumblr_mmbgk0FKAf1rmgjoeo1_500.gif

  • KJM

    Don’t be schtupid
    Be a schmarty
    Come und join
    ze Nazi party!

  • I feel like this song is appropriate to the article: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOrHnQLlx-A

  • KJM

    I knew a few ska Skins who were bigtime racists, but they were usually too high to really give a shit.

  • I googled “National Socialist Ska”. Thank Christ there were no band results.

    • CT-12

      This is the only “ska” band I’ve ever liked (who definitely are way more metal/crust than ska, but still). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ku-t4J5V-r0

    • Stockhausen

      They’re busy with more important topics.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2obwW1OeW7w

      (I’m serious by the way, scratching your balls is much more important than hating people for being people)

    • Oscar Meyer’s Wiener Ate Putin

      I’m wondering if there’s any neo-nazi hip hop bands. At least ones that actually are stupid enough to take themselves seriously.

      • Max

        I’m pretty sure there are, though I’ve no sources to hand. It beggars belief.

        • Oscar Meyer’s Wiener Ate Putin

          Took me 30 seconds to find this little dingleberry on Youtube.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poHanUCjYis

          • Max

            I watched that and discovered Woodpile, who are signed to a black-owned hip-hop label. It gets weird from that point on.

          • Oscar Meyer’s Wiener Ate Putin

            Lol, again, the idiotic and wonky logic of white supremacists!

    • I bet HD could name a few for ya

      • Howard Dean

        Nope. Ska sucks ass.

        I give NSBM bands a try because I like black metal. It’s the music I’m after. If the music sucks, I disregard.

  • Scrimm

    Not to be that guy, but Lovecraft was not a wealthy shut in. He was a poor shut in. Poor enough to not be able to afford a headstone when he died.

    • KJM

      Quite so. There are also unconfirmed reports that he renounced his racism(more like Xenophobia really) before his death.

    • The W.

      He probably wouldn’t have died so young if he was able to afford better housing.

    • His family was wealthy.

      • Scrimm

        At one point, but buy the time he came around his grandfather had squandered most of it.

        • Let’s agree that at one point there was wealth, at another point there wasn’t, and that he’s super duper not wealthy right now.

    • The W.

      I think it’s always worth noting that most people who fall under the Lovecraftian horror umbrella are not racist.

      • Scrimm

        Very worth noting.

        • The W.

          Heck T. S. Joshi isn’t even white, and many consider him the leading authority (although I know he snubbed Lumley).

          • Scrimm

            He’s not the only one who’s done that. He probably truly is the leading authority, or close to it. I respect his expertise a lot, he just comes off as kinda pompous about it to me.

          • old_man_doom

            I’d agree and say that he is the primary scholar associated with Lovecraft and Clark Ashton Smith (who was one of Lovecraft’s close contemporaries). I’m currently working through Joshi’s entire collection of scholarly articles for my own research on Lovecraft.

          • Scrimm

            That’s a hefty bit of work man.

          • old_man_doom

            I feel like i need to do my part and try to get Lovecraft into the American literary canon. He deserves it, despite the “pulpy” nature of his literature.

          • There’s a rad book by the French Novelist Michel Houellebecq–a novella-length essay–which argues for the literary validity of Lovecraft’s work. “HP Lovecraft: Against the World, Against Life.” It is perhaps more of a rant than a scholarly work, and Houellebecq himself has been accused of racism, but . . . good read all the same if you’re a Lovecraft nut.

    • Dude, I want my ashes put in the Stillwater River. No headstone for me. That is bad ass.

      Die in obscurity.

      GL

    • As I understand it he came from a comfortable background but was ill-disposed to generate an income once he crossed the threshold into MANhood. Nerves, the artistic temperament, that whole thing . . .

  • This article was p trill, Bob. Funny how most people trying to be rill offensive just come across lolbuttz

  • zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    changing times…
    911 truth movement=beyond the race oriented smear tactics–of pro u.n. shills

    Clintons did 911—-
    the u.n. media are “racist” —- they assign racial clichés/roles to people–in tax payer funded media—to create non redeemable fear atmosphere—to attempt to divide and conquer the races—-
    showing negative race info–on television—in a perpetual msm race war—that is artificially created–by state controlled media
    fuck those motherfuckers!!——god bless all races!!

    • Paris Hilton

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    • Óðhinn
  • Hey, I searched in my photo albums and I found this one when I was killing nazis in Maracaibo!

    http://www.santharia.com/tribes/elves/elven_pics/arthyron_elf.jpg

    Great writing, 365. It’s very crappy that people that can play and buy instruments are encouraging these practices. These kind of things are what drives me back on most black metal, the Taake incident you named is the worst than the others. Thanks for making this, you rule!

    • Oscar Meyer’s Wiener Ate Putin

      Kinda funny that the Nazi war criminals all ran to South America when Germany fell. Not exactly blond hair and blue eyed white people there! Then again, neo-nazis and the original Nazis weren’t exactly consistent with their philosophies or any sense of history.

      • KJM

        I think it had more to do with extradition law than anything else. That’s why The Mossad had to be extra sneaky about grabbing Eichmann.

        • Dagon

          I think it had more to do with how “free” South America is for people that tend to break laws. Pretty much every runaway criminal used to come here.

          • This. Also, there’s still the tradition in some countries of the subcontinent in which you can bribe anyone with a little bit of cash. At least in Venezuela you can bribe the law a lot.

        • Oscar Meyer’s Wiener Ate Putin

          That part I didn’t know.

          • They did horrible things around, like in Colonia Dignidad/Villa Baviera (Chile):

            “At its greatest extent, Villa Baviera was home to some three hundred
            German and Chilean residents and covered 137 square kilometers
            (53 sq mi). The main economic activity of the colony was agriculture, but it also contained a school, a free hospital, two airstrips, a restaurant, and even a power station. The colony was secretive, surrounded by barbed wire fences, searchlights, and a watchtower, and contained secret weapon caches (including a tank referred to as a “caterpillar”). It was described alternately as a cult, or as a group of “harmless eccentrics”. In recent decades, however, external investigations, including efforts by the Chilean government, uncovered a history of criminal activity in the enclave, include child sexual abuse.”

          • Oscar Meyer’s Wiener Ate Putin

            Gabriel Garcia Marquez wrote quite a bit about what they did to Colombia in ‘100 Years Of Solitude’. They more or less were trying to be conquistadors over there.

          • There were some Nazi cells in Maracaibo 🙂

            It’s a very obscure history, but they tried to implement the party here because Maracaibo in the first part of the XX century was crowded of germans.

            In 1936 the nazi activity was banned due to a law. And they used the German Centre (a club for ALL the germans, not only nazis) to reunite. In the 40’s a venezuelan politician denounce the reunions and that’s why the Nazi party “dissapeared”.

            And also because I shoot most of them to death with my magic arrows 😉

            Oh, and in the 60 there was an attack to a sinagogue in Caracas that led to the last capture of a Nazi in the country.

            I shoot to death that guy too. He was pissing in his pants when he saw me.

          • Oscar Meyer’s Wiener Ate Putin

            There was an attack on a Sikh temple here in America because the idiot thought he was killing Muslims. Sikh and Islam are two completely different things! Goes to show how ignorant racists actually are.

          • Phoenix of the House Tendies

            Yeah I remember this. Even his fellow white supremacists called him out on his stupidity.

          • Oscar Meyer’s Wiener Ate Putin

            Yep! If I remember correctly, one of the Sikhs protected kids from the gunfire with his own body. Haven’t met a Sikh, but from what I’ve read, they are incredibly selfless people. One example:

            http://metro.co.uk/2015/05/24/community-repays-sikh-student-who-broke-religious-protocol-to-save-boys-life-5213059/

          • Bucket ‘o Blood

            That was last year, wasn’t it?
            Racists are dumb, man. I don’t think people realize that turbans are popular in a whole bunch of cultures.

  • OldMetalHead

    Be honest. You’ve been dying to use that title. Haven’t you?

    • You might be wrong… but then again, you might be reich.

  • Oscar Meyer’s Wiener Ate Putin

    My all time favorite anti-Nazi theme song!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsLYwR9Jp-Y

  • Shrimp in a Pizza Box

    I don’t tend to care about a band’s beliefs until it involves other actual human beings. Satan? Fine. Brutally murdering a fictional character and raping it’s corpse? Fine. But fuck them nazi shitheads.

    Also, what’s with all the fucking black?

    • Oscar Meyer’s Wiener Ate Putin

      I won’t ever listen to Deathspell Omega for that reason.

      • Sir Tapir the Based

        You’re missing out on some good jams! Mikko Aspa is bit of a dick, tho.

        • Oscar Meyer’s Wiener Ate Putin

          It’s their pedophilia side project that puts me off.

          • The W.

            Bingo

          • Sir Tapir the Based

            I’ve only listened to one song from that project. It wasn’t that good.

          • Tyree
          • Scrimm

            That kind of stuff is the one thing I can’t in good conscience support. Nor would I want to.

          • Tyree

            Yup. Awful, unfortunately I live in a town where a certain person did these awful things to a mass degree.

          • CT-12

            A few years back, some person where I’m from went around and started blasting sex offenders at their houses and has still never been caught for it. Can’t say that I’m really unhappy with that.

          • Tyree
          • Scrimm

            I lke that idea.

          • KJM

            People who mess with children and animals are at the top of my personal shit list.

          • Tyree
          • KJM

            Evillllll

          • Phoenix of the House Tendies

            King Joffrey killed a cat in his greater youth.

            Just sayin.

          • KJM

            Ramsey Bolton makes Joffrey look like Mother Teresa.

          • Phoenix of the House Tendies

            This is also true.

            I find it funny that people are currently shitting themselves about what Ramsay recently did on the show. Book Ramsay is like 50x worse than Show Ramsay.

          • KJM

            I’ve only read the first book so far. THAT bad? Fuck.

          • Phoenix of the House Tendies

            Yup. I’m not going to spoil things here for ya. But I will say that I actually prefer Show Ramsay. Mainly because in comparison to Book Ramsay who is over the top ugly and evil, Show Ramsay is handsome and more subtle in his cruelty, which IMO makes him more terrifying.

          • Scrimm

            It is. I worked with several kids who were victims of appalling abuse. I did everythin in my power to make every minute they spent in my programs a good one but still no matter what, when they would look you in the eye you could see there was something fucked that could never be unfucked.

          • Paris Hilton

            I don’t have any gore type DM on my ipod anymore. I dont want someone to look through it, see “Stripped, Raped, and Strangled” and think im a serial killer. because thats probably what i would think to be fair

          • Guacamole Jim

            “Ecstasy in Pain”

            Holy fucking shit.

          • Guacamole Jim

            What

          • Scrimm

            Yep.

          • Sir Tapir the Based

            Mikko Aspa has a noise project that’s about pedophilia. It’s not a good.

          • Guacamole Jim

            When you say “about” paedophilia — I assume you mean it’s “pro”?

          • Sir Tapir the Based

            I’m not completely sure. Some say it’s “pro”, some say it’s against it.

          • Guacamole Jim

            Too on the line for me. Maybe he’s pushing the boundaries of art, but that shit gives me the creeps.

          • Sir Tapir the Based

            Seeing as he has some strange porno magazines, I wouldn’t be surprised if he was pro pedophilia. I’m not a fan of that project at all. “Musically” it’s not as good as Grunt. I’m not a big fan of pedophilia either.

          • Guacamole Jim

            Me neither dude, me neither.

  • old_man_doom

    Um, just so we’re clear: Lovecraft may have been racist, but he wasn’t Nazi. I know that wasn’t the intention to call him one, but it kinda seems like a weird example to conflate Lovecraft’s time period symptomatic racism with an organized hateful entity like Nazism.

    • The lovecraft comparison was to illustrate people’s ability to disassociate someone’s art from their beliefs.

      Sorry if that wasn’t clear.

      • old_man_doom

        No harm, no foul. I tend to get really defensive whenever Lovecraft is brought up in conversation because he’s been the focus of my literary research and project for the past two years. Great writing by the way. I always dig shirt stains

    • Didn’t he really admire Hitler?

      • old_man_doom

        I have personally never investigated that, but it could be entirely possible. I find it hard to believe, knowing his other political sentiments, that would support Nazism. Perhaps he may have found some parallel between the patriotism that Hitler used and his own feelings about America as a nation. No offense intended, but it could be problematic to simply say that he “really admired” him.

        • “Really admired” is probably the wrong word.

          In his own words: “The crazy thing is not what Adolf wants, but the way he sees it & starts out to get it. I know he’s a clown, but by God, I like the boy!”

          https://pdjeliclark.wordpress.com/2013/05/03/hp-lovecrafts-madness/

          There’s also this thread from Stormfront. Peruse at your own peril.

          http://www.donotlink.com/fch9

          • old_man_doom

            I’ll avoid stormfront, but I will read into it a little more. I can maybe see where his sentiments are with that quote. I think that if Lovecraft had actually lived to see the holocaust and lived through the war, then he probably would have had a very different view. I guess this is the early twentieth century equivalent of saying “Hey, man, Hitler had some good ideas.”

          • I would hope so. Not that “Hey, man, Hitler had some good ideas” is the ideal mindset either.

  • zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    it is valuable to shills—to play the Nazi card—and pretend to be super horrified about it–to try to attack “conspiracy theorists” on the internet

    not to say that there aren’t actual jews–that actually justifiably have strong negative feelings about naziism

    I kind of always wanted to have a conversation with a jew—and tell them this observation
    ——>
    the “tao te ching” (book of wisdom)—kind of has this thing–that I’ve always wanted to paraphrase to a jew that might be troubled by naziism
    like if you “completely” hate something—–then it owns you—–
    even if you are being negative–towards naziizm—-if you are displaying “energy” towards it—in a way to where it’s “rustling yer jimmies”—it is owning you
    —-
    also there is an entire industry of fake shill internet jews—who work for the southern poverty law center—whose job is to create racial trouble–in any way possible
    ground troops of lawyers—who work for Rockefeller/Clintons—-who are actively engaged in war with America—
    they have a vision of the future—that is definitely worth staying away from

    • There are a number of Jewish folks in the comment section you can talk to.

      • He only let his guard down once. I imagine he will likely not do it again.

        I thought for sure he was going to do it with this comment… then the third paragraph happened.

        GL

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ah4VQXe8YqU

        • KJM

          LOOMYNARTY CONFIRMED!!!

      • KJM

        The SPLC are a UN plot? Good God, I’ve heard it all now.

        • zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

          oh yeah..

          I’ve actually had a weird re-occurring life “relationship’ with those fuckers—-

          I never really seen a “white power” type person—and I met a couple at this party–spouting crazy race shit—-and then they stabbed this guy—-and now one of them says they were hired by the splc–into a fake race gang—while they were in juvee

          this was a long time ago

          the beginnings of the 911 truth movement–were at a forum called “liberty forum”—that was a pretend “patriot” site—that was actually run by the splc
          you want to talk about some devious slimeballs0
          00
          but good people perservered–learned their tricks–and then they had to shut the site down—to protect the u.n./Clintons/their employers

          to my perspective—–saying that the splc are NOT a u.n. plot—seems absurd
          00
          U.N./SPLC DID 911!!

          • Man, I would love to have a beer with you and Ban Ki Moon.

          • zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

            thanks–yall are pretty cool too

      • KJM

        One of my best friends is a Warburg(i.e. the family that helped co-found the Federal Reserve among other things) so I’m a bit sensitive on that topic.

  • Spear

    Legion of Doom must have had Solomon Grundy on lyric duty.
    http://www.patfullerton.com/jla/pix/csf04.jpg

  • Guacamole Jim

    “Kind of strange considering Nazism’s hatred for all things with a skin pigment darker than toothpaste.”

    http://www.standard.co.uk/incoming/article9151570.ece/binary/original/Shrek.jpg

    • Sir Tapir the Based

      Nazis don’t hate Shrek.
      Source: I used to be a nazi a long long time ago. I am ashamed of that.

      • So, I’m not a Tapir favorite?! 🙁

        • Sir Tapir the Based

          You are. I haven’t been a nazibutt in a really long time. I was young and more stupid back then.

          • Awww, it’s awesome to know you’re not a really hateful being now, Tapir. You’re a very brave tapir to get off on the hate-inspired ideas. Hope you didn’t get backlash of the nazi comrades.

          • Sir Tapir the Based

            I haven’t talked to them or seen them after I renounced nazism. Now I’m just a stinking commie.

          • Guacamole Jim

            I can smell you from here.

            Smells like freedom.

          • Sir Tapir the Based

            *smells like BLOOD AND SWEAT OF THE OPPRESSED WORKING CLASS
            FTFY

          • Lacertilian
      • toomuchinformationmaider toomuchinformationmaider toomuchinformationmaider toomuchinformationmaider

        GL

        • Sir Tapir the Based

          It’s not even new info, you stinky man.

      • Guacamole Jim

        We’ve all done stupid shit, man. You ain’t a Nazi now, and I still love you <3

      • KJM

        Then you discovered the mighty Pingu and everything changed.

        • Sir Tapir the Based

        • Dagon

          I sometimes consider changing the fish God shtick to become Pingu.

          • Sir Tapir the Based

            I would sue you for blasphemy.

  • Oli Fucking Sykes, Son.
  • Oli Fucking Sykes, Son.

    Also, if no one has posted it yet…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS5P_LAqiVg

  • CyberneticOrganism
    • IfJthenS

      I… must watch this movie. Because I love cheesy 80’s slop like this.

      • CyberneticOrganism

        It’s pretty low budget but it’s good nonetheless

  • Oscar Meyer’s Wiener Ate Putin
  • I’ve been separating art from beliefs since I started listening to music. I used to be quite the conservative Christian, so naturally most extreme metal would have been inaccessible to me if I wasn’t able to make that separation.

    However, choosing to be a Nazi is a really stupid thing to me. I can still listen to and appreciate their music, but I am way less likely to financially support a band if their beliefs are appallingly awful (like Nazis)

  • Oscar Meyer’s Wiener Ate Putin

    Another one of my favorite anti-Nazi anthems.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3h17Phusr6s

  • The wise man Rodney King once said – “Why can’t we all get along?” Plenty of jokes were made about that but he was just asking an honest question.

  • Guacamole Jim

    “I can’t do that. I can’t in good conscience listen to something created by a person who hates me despite never meeting me. I certainly wouldn’t give them money for anything they created. Despite separating the art from the artist, paying for their music, merchandise, or even seeing them live, is akin to supporting their message. That $10 you spent allows them to spread their message to the next city, to the next listener, to the next impressionable young metal head who is still coming to understand this world.”

    I’ve been thinking recently about what it is about NSBM that turns me off so much. I’m a devoted Christian, but listen to viciously anti-Christian music on the regular without being offended. Some of it I find silly, but mostly I’ve found that anti-Christian music has more passion than almost the entirety of Christian music, and I’m drawn to that. I can, in good conscience, “listen to something created by a person who hates me despite never meeting me.”

    It seems that I draw the line when I hear music created by a person who hates others despite never having met them. There’s a strange difference, and I can’t quite explain why, but hearing NSBM has the same effect on me as does seeing something like what happened in northern Alberta a while back (someone spray painted “Muslims go home” across the front of a mosque). It’s infuriating, and I want no part in supporting it.

    So I still can’t answer why listening to music that attacks, ridicules, and crucifies (lol) my beliefs doesn’t bother me in the slightest, whereas hearing that sort of stuff directed against other peoples or religions totally turns me off. Maybe it’s because there’s been a longer history of anti-Christian sentiment in the West, and we’ve learned to co-exist better. I’m not entirely sure. Either way, fuck Nazis, fuck racists, down with bigotry, up with peace and love.

    • I thought about that as well and my guess would be that bands being anti-christian feels like “punching up” to the world’s largest religion while nsbm is “punching down” to religious and ethnic minorities, so to speak.

      • KJM

        Also, American Christians have experienced nowhere near the amount and intensity of persecution that Jews and Muslims have.

        • Guacamole Jim

          These are both very good points. Christianity has enjoyed dominance, at least in the West, for quite a long time now. This, of course, has led to its own problems – but that’s probably a discussion for another time.

        • Oscar Meyer’s Wiener Ate Putin

          Anti-Muslim idiots think this woman is about to bomb them.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjGL6YY6oMs

          I’m a hardcore atheist (not the asshole Richard Dawkin type), but every Muslim I’ve met has been peaceful and the least pushy of the religious people I’ve met. Certainly don’t agree with most of the religion, but I agree with the people I’ve known.

          • The W.

            I’m a Christian and have a ton of Buddhist and Muslim friends. I’m actually probably more sensitive to anti-Islam sentiments than I am anti-Christian sentiments.

          • Oscar Meyer’s Wiener Ate Putin

            Anti-Christian stuff is pretty much worn out juvenile rebellion. Glen Benton’s made a whole career out of it. Even as an atheist, I actually like Pope Francis, simply because he’s literally by the book and told the institution to go fuck itself.

          • The W.

            Pope Francis is pretty cool. I like the fact that he genuinely seems to care about poor people.

          • Oscar Meyer’s Wiener Ate Putin

            And that’s EXACTLY what Christ was talking about.

          • Max

            Although saying that, I think there’s a lot more he could do. The Catholic church, internationally, is the world’s largest land owner. Presumably alleviating homelessness would fit very well into Christian teachings, but the Pope, as far as I’m aware, has made little attempt to combat this by taking advantage of his church’s substantial property holdings. A simplistic analysis, I concede.

          • The W.

            I won’t argue this point. I come from a protestant background, and a lot of denominations are no strangers to excess. If you have a massive building with a multi-million dollar jumbotron, you aren’t being a good steward of your finances. The excess in megachurches is something for which I have a lot of disdain.

          • KJM

            Same here. The few Muslims I’ve met were pretty chill people.

          • JW(E)G

            It all depends on personal anecdote to a degree. I find Mormons and Witnesses infinitely more pushy about their beliefs But I suppose that’s just because they’re near constantly recruiting, even when not “officially” recruiting.

            Especially in May/June each year. Not sure why that is. Don’t really want to try to figure it out…

          • Oscar Meyer’s Wiener Ate Putin

            Mormons around my old area were nice, but every fucking word out of their mouth was about conversion. Nice people, but pick another fucking topic, please! Not all Mormons are bad though. There’s:

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKURr_YoNXI

        • Paris Hilton

          I don’t really listen to Satanic bands anymore. I am a person of faith, but that’s not really the reason. When I listen to Satanic music now all I can think is a) who the fuck can relate to this? and b) lol what a pathetic attempt to be edgy, settle down there Shadow The Hedgehog!

          • KJM

            I like horror movies so it’s not that much of a stretch to like similar music, but I don’t really listen to Death or Black Metal so there’s only so much “Satan” in my music.

          • Paris Hilton

            kind of reminds me when I was listening to Legion by Deicide a while ago and i was like lol i cant believe i used to convince myself that this song is good. imma go listen to a song about partying or something now

          • KJM

            Black/Death Metal and party music have pretty much equal relevance in my life now(i.e. next to none) so it’s all good.

    • JW(E)G

      I remember that story about the vandalized mosque, and I also remember that their neighbours banded together to clean it up. Score one for rational, non-judgemental, community-oriented human beings.

    • Bucket ‘o Blood

      Most antichristian bands actually dig into the Christian mythos for their songwriting, which is a lot more than most Christian bands do. I don’t think I’ve heard a single Christian band song about the Alpha and Omega, or the Nile flowing red, or Lucifer’s fall. All they seem to care about is “Jesus loves you!”, and that makes for boring songs. When the people who hate a religion do a better research job than actual worshippers, something’s askew.

      • The W.

        I think Extol tackle some richer topics, but you’re right, most don’t.

      • BROcket of Blood! Sup Steam brolo?! I’m convinced many artists (not all by any means) use Christian themes because it comes with a built-in fan base and equals $$$

        • Bucket ‘o Blood

          Yo yo yo, Jimbo MyHomie! Yeah, hitting the nail on the head there. As lore goes, the Christian mythos is the most well known in the world. There’s money to be had in making good Christian music. Hell, I reference Christian shit in my classical, and I’m about as atheistic as we get.

      • HessianHunter

        I used to be very religious so I know the Bible pretty well, and from my perspective Dustin Kensrue of Thrice has a knack for writing eloquently while making specific references to scripture. Then again, Tim Kasher of Cursive is even better at it and he hates religion.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaz_EytKOOg

  • all the nazi talk in this here toilet here lately sure comes off as sympathetic. I hope that this concludes the discussion on this topic and we can move onto what we all love(METAL) rather than such unpleasant topics

    • Oscar Meyer’s Wiener Ate Putin

      Anything but sympathetic! Go a couple of articles down, we got some new jams over there to tickle your tenders! 😀

  • Oscar Meyer’s Wiener Ate Putin

    Neo-Nazis and hate groups such as the KKK or Westboro Baptist Church though are a pretty small and laughable lot. It’s the actual racism out there that scares me. Especially with the police, and a lot of the “oh, I voted for Obama, so I can’t be racist” white flight assholes I saw and knew back in IL. The actual racism that people bring from behind closed doors and out into the open scares me alot more than some haphazard ding dongs with a wonky sense of history rallying for it.

    • Maik Beninton

      That’s so truth, the biggest problems with racists today is that they don’t admit because they ‘have friends that are colored’.

    • Guppusmaximus

      I agree that racism plays a bigger role in terms of the problems we face here in the US but we should be paying more attention, as well, to the traditional avenues of Religion. The major religions have been trying to impose upon our Constitution for quite some time while they have, literally, helped corrupt our voting process. You can’t become a President without pretending to subscribe to some sort of creation BS. The Roman Catholic Church in Italy is of far more concern than some fucking broke & powerless skinheads in Metal Bands. For decades, The Pope has supported the indirect genocide of peoples in Africa from HIV with its condemnation of the use of prophylactics by way of the illogical & nonsensical fairy tale it holds over those who have less education and / or intelligence.

      It’s easy to dismiss a group like the KKK & WBC because most people with half a brain can discern how ridiculous both groups are. However, the WBC isn’t hiding behind half truths when it comes to their beliefs like the majority of those who subscribe to the same religion(s) do. The Pope may never call out directly for the casting out of Homosexuals but he will phrase his discontent in a manner that doesn’t guarantee their “salvation”. So, those in the LGBT comunnity who may believe in Catholicism / Christianity will feel guilty. That’s a form of mental abuse never mind his stance on pre-marital sex that won’t lead to procreation, as I previously mentioned. Let’s not even discuss how Vatican City is a Monarchy (Theocracy to me) where the Pope runs the show.

      Just my .02

      *gets off his soapbox*

      • We may both be wrong, but I don’t think that the Catholic Church as a political entity have all that power so we can accuse them (at least right now) of being “indirect support” of HIV in África, for example.

        In fact, the Catholic population in Sub Saharan África isn’t that big, they’re more lined to the charistmatic and protestant churches, and a lot of those countries still believes in their own beliefs. In 2010, Sub Saharan African catholics were only 16 % of population (Pew Research statistics), very low if you compare it with South América.

        What I want to express of my stance is:

        We all know that Catholic Church did a lot of bad stuff in the past. And, they’re still a huge political power. But, right now it’s a very weak state compared with what was in the first part of the XX Century.

        If we use your argument about the HIV spread in Venezuela, we don’t see connection, for example. Venezuela is a high catholic country, but it’s still one of the regional leaders on HIV and teenage pregnant. In theory, you can have a high rate of “sympathizants” of a certain religion, but people tends to do what they want anyways. Believe in the Powerful Religion is the same as believe in the Powerful Media (according to the north American theory school of communication), and that last construct was dismantled a while ago.

        What I can relate with you is the impact that can have the religious thinking in the certain life choices in certain individuals (your lgbt example), and I can’t even connect entirely with that because we live in weird times in which the religious thinking isn’t dominating the society as medieval times, for example.

        Once again, check this statistics of PewResearch of religion in EEUU. What the numbers says is that there are a huge lot of new Agnostic/Atheist/New Age/I don’t care/Muslims/Jews fellow north americans. Those statistics are very interesting and seems that something’s happening on the individual side of your fellow countrymen and countrywomen!

        http://www.pewforum.org/files/2015/05/PF_15.05.05_RLS2_1_310px.png

        I’m not saying that you’re wrong, btw. I’m just debating from my posture 😉

        Just my 0,5 bolívares.

        • Guppusmaximus

          True… we both may be wrong and I didn’t think you were calling me on this, but, from what I’ve read Africa has 70% of the global HIV epidemic consisting of 25 Million people infected. I agree that 16% doesn’t seem like a lot until you frame it in the sense that the Catholics you’re referring to on that continent is 171+ million. I think that could strongly support my argument…

          • Fair enough!

            But, I still think there are another reasons and that Catholic Church work in that aspect isn’t that hard.

            Do you have another source to support your argument? I mean, it’s pretty valid, but I would like to know if there are other people thinking the same as you, just curiosity.

          • Guppusmaximus

            I don’t really know of any other people who feel the way I do. However, their defense of their interpretation of their religious text on the matter of “safe-sex” has, historically, shown them to take an almost anti-Science stance:

            http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/sep/11/bad-science-pope-anti-condom

            I really don’t know what other conclusion any rational person can come to…

          • Thanks for the link.

      • Oscar Meyer’s Wiener Ate Putin

        Good point, but it’s about time to stop paying attention to the crypto-Christians like the Duggars (especially considering their new scandal) and Westboro Baptist Church, and give attention to what good the individual churches do. I live with a pretty religious person, and she hasn’t cared at all that we had a gay roommate at one time, or that I’m bi and atheist. Why? Because your everyday Christian could care less and their hearts aren’t filled with the hate that the higher ups in the religion espouse. It’s like pretty much any big group or organization: good intentions at first. And when the money and power comes into play, the intention is completely lost (looking at you, PETA!).

        And I can say this as an atheist: organized religion has done more to make people atheists than me, Richard Dawkins (blegh), Nietzsche, Carlin, or Steve Jobs will ever do. I respect that people have these beliefs, but I simply can’t believe, and never will, a never-present being that’s supposedly always there and ever-loving letting a child die of leukemia at 5 years old while a nutcase gets to live in luxury in North Korea (yes I said it!) or Russia. It’s just a belief I’ll never have. But my friend/roomy talked about my grandma who recently passed, and she asked “where is she now?”. I simply said “she’s in the fucking dirt, where she wanted”, Cold, but true. I’d love to think she’s in a magical place, but I never will believe that.

        *gets off my box of tendies and jamming some of the new TOH jams*

        • Guppusmaximus

          ” I live with a pretty religious person, and she hasn’t cared at all that we had a gay roommate at one time, or that I’m bi and atheist. ”

          I think that merely reflects that their belief system has been backed into a corner and the brainwashing associated with those religions can take a fair amount of weening before someone can truly break free and understand the reality of what they experienced. I was a Catholic and it was pretty much war for me to break free of it because my family felt hurt by my actions. Like I was doing this to merely upset them.

          I’m sorry to hear about your Grandma. Mine passed away a few years ago and it really makes you realize that you have such a small amount of time on this planet especially with those you love where we shouldn’t be measuring their lives with a stick that doesn’t exist.

          Oh well, have a wonderful weekend with your TOH jams, my friend:)

          • Oscar Meyer’s Wiener Ate Putin

            Thanks for quoting me!

          • Oscar Meyer’s Wiener Ate Putin

            Doh, my bad, kinda skimmed through that! Let me read it here after my cig break. :-p

  • nbm02ss

    I think that ideologies are fair game, but my personal line in the sand is targeting things that people can’t control for: phenotypic traits, mental illnesses, sexuality, etc.

    People have rights. Ideas do not.

  • That’s a paddlin’

    Ähyyyyy!
    Scwäy
    Mitä sulle o käyny!? Sä olit enne Rok Rok!!

    • Sir Tapir the Based

      Ny Siitoin turpa kii!

      • That’s a paddlin’

        Nyt vittu fakke itte!

        • Sir Tapir the Based

          ….

          • Oscar Meyer’s Wiener Ate Putin

            Minun kakka on kuinkokkare , me rakastamme sinua tapir :-p

    • Oscar Meyer’s Wiener Ate Putin

      Hvað segir þú? Skilja mig ?

      • That’s a paddlin’

        I was merely asking what had happened.

        • Oscar Meyer’s Wiener Ate Putin

          Oh. I was speaking Icelandic. :-p

  • Call the Slambulance

    I’ve gotta call it. Shiva —> Hindu god | Sheeva —> Mortal Kombat character.
    Outside of that, bitchin’ edition, Mr. 365. These bands are fuckin’ clown shoes.

    • Funny thing is I checked elsewhere to make sure I wouldn’t make that mistake. Guess I didn’t change it.

  • Oscar Meyer’s Wiener Ate Putin

    Might as well slide this new jam on over since no one’s paying attention to the new stuff a couple articles below! :-p

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Di-vXNwOOGI

  • Bucket ‘o Blood

    This article made me chuckle 🙂 more gay jokes about nazis! Always more gay jokes about nazis.

  • Paris Hilton

    I can’t separate what a piece of shit Varg is from Burzum. But, then again, that would imply that Burzum could be considered good to anyone with functioning eardrums.

    Fuck Nazi or NS people. What a pack of fuckin angry, sexually frustrated, cowardly nerds. I will never listen to anything associated with that shit.

    Finally, your shitty Nazi band (ie. all Nazi black metal bands) play in front of like 10 poor, impressionable and easily fooled nerds while Kanye West makes millions each year, has top notch production and songwriting, and plays in front of thousands of people every show he does. Yet you are the superior one? lol ya ok

  • Howard Dean

    As a dude that has listened to a decent amount of NSBM and “fringe ideology” metal, I can safely confim that 95% of it is musically flat out garbage. Most NSBM bands are lowest common denominator derivative one man bands recorded on 4-tracks in basements. That’s not to say that that type of bedroom BM can’t be good, but most of those bands rely on shock value and niche obscurity to find their audience. For all the vim and vitriol, it’s simply uninspired on a musical basis.

    However, a band like Grand Belial’s Key is an exception. Musically, they are one of the most impressive bands in black metal, with some of these most potent riffage seen anywhere in metal. Comparing them musically to most NSBM is like comparing a middle school notebook doodler to Maxfield Parrish. GBK is a “dilemma” band–they are vehemently anti-Abrahamic and antisemitic, and therefore should put nearly everyone off their stuff, but the song’s are incredible. Listen to tracks like The Tenderhearted’s Manifesto, Tricifixion of Swine, The Shitagogue, or It Bribes the Heavens and try NOT to dig it–the songwriting is just too impressive. If GBK/Arghoslent bandleader Gelal/Pogrom weren’t such an abrasive racist, he’d very likely be one of the most celebrated guitarists in metal, and his bands would probably have “mainstream” metal success.

    That being said, bands like GBK are very few in the realm of NSBM. Sigrblot and later era Absurd are pretty solid, too, but nowhere near GBK’s level. On the whole, one could safely disregard almost the entirety of NSBM output and not miss too much.

    • Oscar Meyer’s Wiener Ate Putin

      What’s your take on The Exploited? Those rumors have been swirling for years about them being neo-nazis (unfounded, really).

      • Howard Dean

        Meh, mostly. Don’t really have an opinion because I don’t listen to them. I’m not a huge punk fan, and their later thrashier stuff doesn’t do much for me, either.

        As far as the racism/ Nazism part, it sounds like their front man has some racist tendencies, but for the band as a whole, I dunno. There are a lot of situations like that with punk and metal bands.

        • Oscar Meyer’s Wiener Ate Putin

          Shit, the frontman literally is the band. You can read up the arguments, but I doubt he’d be touring Isreal, Asia, South America, America (especially after ‘Fuck The USA’) if he were racist. I still love ’em!

  • Oscar Meyer’s Wiener Ate Putin
  • JW(E)G

    On a more directly-related note:

    I consider myself a universalist Odinist – mostly for the animist perspective and partially because of my own heritage (adopting a form of animism more in line with local First Nations’ beliefs would have just come off as cultural misappropriation). But I also think of myself as a group of one and only one; because I don’t trust organized North American Kindred *not* to be corrupted by neo-Nazis.

    Plenty have. Openly. Some others have, but more insidiously and covertly. There’s just one up Vancouver Island from me that Canadian Heathen information resources describe as ‘tribalist’ (which is supposed to be a central position between the two extremes of universalist vs. folkish). But their website is very minimalist and ambiguous, and they’re located in the same place as at least one one-man NSBM project that’s basically a Hoser version of Seges Findere up there.

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  • IfJthenS

    Yeah… one of the reasons I was very, VERY wary on going to a show with Nachtmystium in it was – despite the fact that a lot of black metal doesn’t grab me(what does is either mixed like Behemoth or Septic Flesh, or something out of the ordinary for me, like Enslaved) – because they were supposedly connected to a NSBM label at one point or another, though they’ve been fighting to clear themselves of that stigma. Still, I didn’t think at the time supporting them was a good use of my time. I was also wary of Hatebreed, not because of their music(which depending on my mood, I like or it’s just “meh” to me, and besides that, isn’t even vaguely racist), but because nazi pukes flock to it on name alone and I didn’t need that sort wolf pack on my ass. I’ve “met” enough of them in the Atlanta scene to know to be aware of it… and that’s the sad part, that there is that element of needing to know if a certain band is going to bring a ROWDY crowd – which I love – or a NAZI crowd – which I hate and i’m sure the feeling is damn mutual, though not for the same reason..

  • Sadistikexekution

    A very well written artikle.
    Nazis are the shitstain of humanity.

    ** flushes these master racists down the toilet ov hell **

  • DarkFortress24

    😉 Politically correct pussies.

  • Ross White-Chinnery

    I’ve not looked at the comments yet so I might be the 1001st person to say this but the reason searching National Socialism redirects to Nazism is because the word “Nazi” is just an abbreviation of Nationalsozialistische. The full name being Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (National Socialist German Workers Party).

  • Satanen Perkele
  • Satanen Perkele

    Black Metal is WAR (Love, kindness and equality don’t belong under the command of Satan). https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3eaf6d1ae5608a3a78c6674c9fb738d62d93ef3440353c8b8bfced24adc39952.jpg

  • anon

    this article is fuckin stupid lol. neither taake nor nuclear war now have anything to do with a white power message. nuclear war now is a label literally run by a leftist asian vegan guy. taake on the other hand simply made your average antireligious black metal song instead it was about islam and not christianity. if that’s so wrong then why aren’t you calling out deicide as well? the swastika event happened once over 10 years ago and only in germany just because he knew it was gonna get a reaction out of people. i guess this is what happens when hipster social justice warriors who probably wont even be listening to metal in 10 years get into black metal huh. give me a genuine proof of these accusations that isnt some vague “toured with white power bands”(whatever that even means according to your broad definitions of a white power band). go ahead ill wait

  • Fashion Italia

    6 million more