Shirt Stains – hXc For You And Me

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This one goes out to all you flushers that have been with us since day one.

Spread this shit out! Side to side, front to back! No one standing still! I want you to kill the person next to you! We’re all family here! If someone falls, pick them up! Split this crowd like the Red Sea! Let’s set this place off!

Sorry, I just flashed back to every VFW and low-level club show from about 10 years ago. Though hardcore came about in the late 70’s and early 80’s, the genre had a resurgence in both the early 90’s and 2000’s. Most here are probably more familiar with the 00’s version, or at least with the cliches and tropes. The spinkicks and windmills, the “fighting the air” moshing, mesh shorts, gauged ears, full-sleeve or chest-piece tattoos. The list goes on and on.

While traditional metalheads still scoff at hardcore, never were the two genres closer than in the 2003-2006 time frame. You had metal-influenced hardcore bands that could shred and solo while also having metal bands throwing in breakdowns and punk beats. Ozzfest, traditionally more metal-based, had bands like Throwdown, Unearth, and Sworn Enemy while a hardcore fest like Hellfest had bands like Fear Factory, Suffocation, and Shadows Fall. You know what else these genres share? Really bad merch.

This edition of Shirt Stains goes out to our resident two-stepper and chief Joe aka Joe Thrashnkill aka Papa Joe aka Pit Boss Joe aka xJOEx aka Joey Hardcore aka Joedown aka Joe Ta Life aka Walls of Jeri-Joe aka PsyJoepus aka Joe Forbid aka JoeXSpinkick aka Jodeseven aka The Joe-Mags. Okay, I better stop now. We could be here all day.

 

Hatebreed – Saturday Morningcore
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Hatebreed probably had the most success out of all the hardcore bands during the hXc/metal heyday. Their straight-forward aggression appealed to both sides of the aisle so to speak. Jamey Jasta’s lyrics about standing up and fighting back (or whatever) were easy to understand and even easier to spout back in a MySpace bulletin. Also during this time, their pits were notoriously violent, whether it was spinkicks, punches to the back of the head, or just sweaty masses slamming into you. Remember that video for AFI’s “The Leaving Song Pt. II” with all the moshing and karate moves? I don’t know if it was just a rumor or urban legend, but word was that they were actually playing a Hatebreed cd to get people moving.

That’s why this shirt design comes as a bit of a surprise. It’s adorable. How many times has that ever been used to describe Hatebreed? It really is the most accurate way to describe the cartoonish artwork that would be more appropriate for a Saturday morning eating chocolate chip pancakes than in some dank, piss-soaked bar where someone might walk on your head at any moment. I guess it’s supposed to be all tuffXcore and aggressiveXkillyou, but it’s just not happening.

The dominant skeleton has a hoodie on. Is he chilly? He doesn’t have any skin, how can he be cold? I know those are supposed to be boxing gloves, but they really just look like Werther’s caramels. Is the other skull spitting blood? That can’t be, it’s just a skeleton. No veins or vital organs. Maybe he just had a mouthful of Hawaiian punch. And those are teeth flying, those are just pieces of popcorn. That first skeleton is just a dick looking to ruin someone’s snack time. Bad message, Hatebreed. Think of the kids.

 

Blood For Blood – Clevercore
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Shirt suggested by Joe.Town Concrete

Blood for Blood were the quintessential Boston/New England hardcore band. I say were because they’re not really around any more following an incident that received just a little attention from the metal world. They were the embodiment of the angry working-class, particularly “white trash” (their words, not mine). Remember how I said that Hatebreed’s shows were known for being particularly violent? Yeah, those shows couldn’t hold a candle to Blood For Blood’s shows. From violent moshing, to targeted swings, to head -hunting, to straight up gang assaults, Blood For Blood shows were not something to be taken lightly. When you’re associated with a group like FSU, it shouldn’t be a surprise. The one time I had a chance to see them, I made sure to stay away from the floor. They no-showed anyway, so it didn’t matter, but the “legend” was enough to take heed to the warnings.  This shirt capitalizes on the violence inflicted on their own fans.

When you’re 15, something like this might seem cool. Yeah! Fighting! Awesome! Really, it’s the equivalent of having a band called “The B-Sharps”. It gets progressively less funny every time you hear it. It’s clever in the same way that Carlos Mencia is an original comedian. Why were you going to a brawl? Did you buy a ticket in advance or did you pay at the door? Were you upset that a Blood for Blood show broke out? Did it take away from getting hit with a broken pool cue? Did they explain why why this shirt has so many different fonts?

I love hockey. Some people think fighting should be banned, but as someone who played for over 20 years and got into a few scraps, I disagree. What I don’t like, though, is glorifying fights. You think the Boston Bruins player and the Montreal Canadiens player received compensation for the use of their likenesses? Not likely. How about the teams or the NHL? You can clearly see the Boston Bruins patch and the Canadiens jersey is unmistakable. It’s certainly in keeping with Boston’s rivalry with Montreal. Don’t like the shirt? No worries. There probably won’t be too many Blood For Blood shows breaking out any time soon.

 

Norma Jean – Casualcore
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Have you ever gone to your company picnic but still wanted to show that you’re still down with the underground? Need to go to a moderately-priced restaurant but need to show the world that you’re ready to stay true to everything you believe? Need to show Gram Gram Gertrude that you keep it real? Well now you can thanks to this snazzy polo courtesy of Norma Jean. I was never a fan of Norma Jean, but I have to tip my cap to them as they are still around and putting out albums. Good for them. They’ve done far better than other hardcore/metalcore bands with female names like Catherine, Scarlet, Nora, Karen Page (yes, the Marvel character, I know), Killwhitneydead, and more.

This polo is definitely on the stranger end of the merch scale. It really feels like this is geared towards dad and not the t-shirt wearing crowd. Who in the band said, “Yes, we want to go after the khaki crowd”? You’re not going to wear this at a show. I guess you’d be the most mature-looking person in the crowd, but you probably don’t want people going “Excuse me, sir. You’re blocking the 15 year old’s view. By the way, there’s a hole in the armpit of your golfing shirt.”

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After all that, it’s not even a nice design. It’s just a print of two crossed guns and the weak slogan “Support Southern Rock”. Okay, Kid Rock, I’ll get right on that. They tried to fancy up the name to make up for the lack of, y’know actual stitching, but that just makes it worse. They knew this was lazy. Or if this is just a terrible bootleg, the bootlegger knew this was lazy. So you’re wearing a polo that isn’t even a nice polo. It’s the worst of both worlds. At least you’ll look totes br00tal at your kid’s 3rd grade recital.

 

The Banner – Taking A Dumpcore
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Look at this shirt. What is that guy in the Karate Kid evil gang-style mask doing? It sure looks like he’s about to take a big steamy Donald Trump all over New Jersey. Some (read: New Yorkers) are down with plopping all over the Garden State. The Banner, originally named Bruce Banner (again with the Marvel characters), hail from New Jersey. I don’t think their intention was to shit over their state. Well, some parts definitely deserve it, like all the jughandles, but not all.

You know what? It’s probably all just a distraction from The Misfits-style logo. Or perhaps it’s to draw your attention away from the guy’s Mickey Mouse gloves. You have to do what you can when you’re in a My Chemical Romance commercial. And threatening other bands. If anything The Banner should embrace the Mickey Mouse hands. I could totally see people throwing down in the pit with these things on. It would be a flurry of puffy white fists and high-pitched Ha-Ha’s! Maybe we can get a whole bunch of Disney-style paraphernalia and sell it to hardcore kids. Donald Duck feet, Goofy ears, and Minnie Mouse bows would be all the rage at Facedown Fest. Come on, The Banner. Let’s make it happen.

 

Terror – Smorgasbordcore
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LA’s Terror have been bringing the mosh for over a decade now. Despite seeing them live, I never cared for them. Just not my thing, but they’re still putting out albums and touring, so they still have a loyal fanbase. You’d certainly need one when selling a shirt that looks like someone yacked out a bowlful of Alpha-Bits cereal onto a shirt. Do you like tons of white font on a black shirt? Well now you do.

Like a lot of shirts for hardcore bands, this one has a big print of a live shot. It looks like vocalist Scott Vogel is raising the microphone for the crowd. Or possibly punching a crowd surfer. Either one is entirely accurate and appropriate. This isn’t on Shirt Stains because of that. It’s on Shirt Stains because it contains more words than a Quentin Tarantino monologue. Let’s read it all together in one breath:

“Terror I’ve been dealt a thousand lies so why am I in so much pain this time shut you out eye for an eye Reader records”

Apparently periods, question marks, and commas aren’t hardcore enough for Terror, but multiple fonts are. Anyone else appreciate the irony that “Reader Records” is listed below that word salad? As if that wasn’t enough pontification, the shirt also gives us text on both sleeves and the word “Terror” on the front six times? Why six? *Punches you in the back of the head* That’s why. No one is going to mess with you when you have this shirt on. Mostly because they’re too busy reading it and trying to decipher what it means. Reading: It’s xFUNxDAxMENTALx.

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  • Alucard, Fuckmothering Vampire

    The AFI video had kids moshing to Throwdown, not Hatebreed.

    No regrets motherfuckers.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Snfy0pMzEuE

    • I am glad this period of musical prominence is over.

      • Alucard, Fuckmothering Vampire

        Hey, when it comes to goth punk, no one does it better than AFI.
        I even like Decemberunderground, despite that shit being probably the most poppy pop-skramz around.
        Well, except for Love Like Winter of course, how can anyone with a brain like that pandering bullshit.

      • AFI was a hardcore band at the beginning. I remember around the time when “Miss Murder” came out I had a conversation with a waiter who had a large AFI forearm tattoo. He got the tat around the hxc era and was a little displeased with the direction of the band. I think his exact words were “Davey Havok is a fucking joke”. Wonder if he ever got that tat covered up.

      • You just have to dodge the Bullets:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPzhUp8mWgs

        • Scott Stapp was the shittiest character in Mortal Kombat 4.

        • Alucard, Fuckmothering Vampire

          Tread lightly, mentioning Creed in front of me is a bad idea, I can’t control my actions.

          • Lacertilian

            Creed, now do something.

          • Alucard, Fuckmothering Vampire

            You brought this on yourself (remove the spaces, I wanted this to be a surprise for you).

            https:// http://www.youtube.com /watch?v=Mt0RA62XWS4

    • Mother Shabubu III 12 BRICKS

      teh feelz

      (I secretly love this song, by the way. My secret shame.)

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fwGZohSJ9g

      • Alucard, Fuckmothering Vampire

        No complaints from me bro. I like way worse shit than this, I’ve had to redact some of the shit I like for fear of rustling jimmies.

      • Pffft, AFI released good records, to me! I dig some of them!

  • Howard Dean
    • The W.

      Interestingly, a lot of Muslim women actually feel more protected from men wearing a niqab. It isn’t quite a black and white thing like Westerners like to think.

      • That’s a paddlin’

        Aye, I vaguely remember having a conversation with one of my teachers of old, how Muslim women tended to feel “western” women had things worse than them as they had to wear next to nothing to fill expectations.

        • The W.

          That’s one of the things I’ve gathered as well. Similarly, a lot of Muslim women don’t want their pictures being taken or for those pictures to end up in the hands of men.

          • if you got it, flaunt it!
            *clinks bottle of Bud Light with nearest bro

          • sweetooth0

            minus the bud lite I can’t say I disagree with that sentiment (pulls up skin tight latex pants and shakes booty in mirror).

          • KJU’s Dancing Testicle Teethys

            Cause you’re………….

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PCkvCPvDXk

            And you’re bringing the booty back.

          • sweetooth0

            my booty is shaking so hard right now

          • KJU’s Dancing Testicle Teethys

            *gives you the beats that make your booty go clap*

          • * clink reciprocated *

          • Guacamole Jim

            I actually have a friend from Jordan who has said the same thing. She’s a Christian, so doesn’t wear burqas or niqabs, but has had to deal with men taking pictures of her, or worse. Of course, the problem is that if the only way to stop men from doing that is to cover up your entire body, the issue is with the men, who need to change their behaviour.

          • The W.

            Like I said, it’s a defense thing that goes back to an archaic understanding of the source of lust. Unfortunately women get blamed for lust, so they often feel the need to protect themselves.

            Western culture does the same thing though with slut shaming.

          • Guacamole Jim

            Absolutely. I’m not trying to imply that Western culture is any better. We’ve got our own very problematic hangups about women and sex in general. It was just an interesting talk I had with her about the differences between Canadian and Jordanian life as a woman.

          • KJU’s Dancing Testicle Teethys

            “Alot of people don’t wanna know that I’m gay. Even less people wanna know that I’m Canadian”

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqQCyAQBgXY

          • KJU’s Dancing Testicle Teethys

            I do have the habit of turning around and looking at a woman’s ass if she looks hot. Taking pictures of something like that would be creepy as hell, though.

      • Howard Dean

        I’m sure they do feel that about it. It’s the norm for them. And I’m sure a lot of Muslim women (here I’m talking about women living in nations with sharia law and those places with strong Salafi/Wahhabist-based influence)–if polled–would say that they aren’t oppressed at all. I’m certain Stockholm syndrome isn’t limited only to the Western world.

        I’ve actually been surprised that more feminists aren’t actively trying harder to protect and represent Muslim women (defined again as above). By our standards, they are one of the most heavily oppressed, marginalized, and abused body of women in the world. On the global scale, they should be priority number one. But they seem to get ignored in favor of other issues that in my opinion are not as dire. Christian oppression against women is a hot issue in the U.S. Why not extend this to Muslim oppression?

        I’ve actually voiced this same issue to other people who aare more active in the feminist movement, and they were fairly vanilla about it. I understand it’s a much more difficult issue to tackle than many others that they address, but shouldn’t that be all the more reason to make it the first priority?

        Maybe there is a substantial, vocal arm of feminism that is attacking this issue with the same verve they address other issues, and I’m just not aware of it. But I’ve yet to see it

        • Guacamole Jim

          I guess the question is: what defines oppression? And, stemming from that: is the Western definition of “oppression” something the rest of the world agrees on?

          I think that Western society, as we start to see the consequences (good and bad) of colonialism, we are becoming more aware that our viewpoints on all kinds of issues are not worldwide viewpoints. And it’s easy for us to look at other cultures and say “they’re oppressed and don’t realize it because of Stockholm syndrome.” It’s harder for us to say “according to our standards, this would be oppression. But this is a group of people who think very differently than we do. We should start a dialogue on their terms, not our own.”

          It’s safer for Westerners to attack the issues in Western culture, because it’s home. We understand it, and we’re familiar with it. But we’re beginning to realize that imposition of our culture, values, and beliefs on other peoples is not the best way to go about changing social issues. We’re hearing from many Muslim women on how they feel head coverings are important to them. Maybe we should try listening to them instead of assuming they’re just victims of Stockholm Syndrome.

          • Howard Dean

            I agree with not imposing values on others. But where do we stop? Should atheists and agnostics then not impose judgments on Christians who feel that women shouldn’t work and belong in the home, raising babies? Because by that logic, we should leave Christians alone because they’re not being sexist or misogynistic when they believe a woman should be subservient to men, they just have different values.

            Also: I agree that we are insulated from many other cultures since we live in the West. But of we’re going to ignore some things, like Muslim oppression of women, because it is a matter of differing values, than we should probably avoid all similar things (like racism, segregation, and discrimination) in places where we don’t have the same cultural, historical or religious backdrop. That would mean ignoring African genocide, Chinese human rights violations, Russian oppression of homosexuals, etc, etc. Where do we stop, and where so we draw the lines?

          • The W.

            Based on personal experience, the only Christians who believe women are subservient to men are weirdo fringe extremists like the Quiverfull movement.

          • sweetooth0

            I dunno man, I’ve met quite a few Mennonites who definitely feel women are the inferior sex. I’d say fundamentally women aren’t seen as equals in the Christian faith, some of it’s denominations are just more willing to let you know about it.

          • The W.

            That’s a broad generalization typically based on taking verses out of context. Which a lot of Christians have done.

          • sweetooth0

            Yup, that does seem to be their specialty. That said, I’m about as far from Christian as it gets, so I guess generalizing them doesn’t make me any better.

          • Tyree
          • sweetooth0

            So fuckin good!

          • Tyree

            Agreed! One of my favorite performances of the festival.

          • sweetooth0

            Yup, they were a really big deal for me cuz I’ve loved that album for years and never ever ever ever ever ever ever thought I would see them live.

          • Tyree

            Killer dude. Rams head was awesome in general. Great sound, great bands, and great atmosphere.

          • sweetooth0

            agreed. The beer was pretty tasty too.

          • sweetooth0

            just ordered this piece of filthy metal from Razorback:

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fgdbFeeux4

          • Tyree

            It really was. I guess they brew it? Not sure but damn was it quality shit. I got that porter or stout too.

          • sweetooth0

            I just had the Rams Head IPA and some Shock Tops cuz I love Weis beers with orange flavoring (Hoegarden is good stuff or a bunch of that Belgian trappist monk ale).

          • Tyree

            Yeah, I drank a lot of that Rams Head IPA.

          • Guacamole Jim

            Just as a support of what W. is saying here: I’ve known, and know, a great many Christians. None of them believe, in any way, that women are inferior to men. In fact, most of them fight against that idea. My own church has two full-time female priests, two part-time male priests, and one female deacon.

          • Howard Dean

            And based on my knowledge and experience, the Muslims who commit human rights violations against women are Salafists and related fringe groups. It’s not all of them. But since it isn’t the whole group, does that mean we should ignore it?

          • The W.

            I think you’re misinterpreting my initial comment. I think cultural sensitivity is extremely important, but I’m in no way making any apologies for extremism. What I was hinting at, and expounded on in later comments to Guac, was that the source of the oppression actually comes from deeper cultural norms. You don’t fix a system by addressing the symptoms, but you also don’t typically throw the whole system out either. You find the greatest point of leverage and operate there to make change. In the case of female oppression, I think the greatest point of leverage comes through young Muslims actually being educated. That was largely the impetus behind the Arab Spring, even if that ultimately didn’t amount to much, and it had very little to do with importing Western thought or influence (unless you consider education a Western thing).

          • Howard Dean

            I agree that educating young Muslims is likely the best way to treat the greater cultural and religious norms that create these symptoms. However, that is likely to be a long, long process (well beyond our life times). Until that point, the world will have to face those symptoms, though, as they continue to maim and kill, oppress and discriminate. What should be done in the interim?

          • The W.

            A good question, HD. One that I’m not sure I have an answer to, though current circumstances in the Middle East seem to indicate that the US trying to leverage foreign policy doesn’t seem to work. Maybe we can all just start by having earnest, honest dialogues with people from different cultures and building relationships so we can understand each other and hopefully reach common humanist grounds.

            I think it all starts at not being dicks to each other.

          • more beer

            That would work if our politicians weren`t such a bunch of douche bags. No offense to you Mr. President.

          • The W.

            None taken, haha.

          • KJU’s Dancing Testicle Teethys

            Shall I crush him, my lord?

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwlAvsPvPfg

          • This would require sane people with good intentions running the show. We have greedy sociopaths instead.

          • The W.

            A problem in most countries, sadly.

          • ..

          • The W.

            I back this philosophy.

          • KJU’s Dancing Testicle Teethys

            All good points, but I think it’s just time that we let the Middle East figure out their own problems.

          • KJU’s Dancing Testicle Teethys
          • more beer

            I worked for this guy`s family for about 6 months. I didn`t know going into the job it`s not really the kind of thing people tell you. They were very nice always paid me on time and never shorted me. But their woman are definitely subservient. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1987-12-06/news/8703310556_1_polygamy-daniel-ben-jordan-cult-murders

          • The W.

            Jeeze, that’s wild. I can barely keep up with my one wife. I can’t imagine having more than one.

          • more beer

            Plus 46 kids. I didn`t like the way their woman were treated. They were like baby machines. But they were all good with it. They were all so nice. I never would have known if a former co worker didn`t tell me to google his name. It is one crazy story though.

          • The W.

            You’re right to be pissed off.

          • more beer

            Yea and I got out of there pretty quickly. But the woman were good with it I`ve never understood that and don`t think I ever will. But I like my woman to be strong and independent with minds of their own.(even though it`s a double edged sword sometimes)

          • KJU’s Dancing Testicle Teethys

            I like my women big, strong, hairy and greasy.

          • more beer

            So you like the women of Craigs List.

          • KJU’s Dancing Testicle Teethys

            Or what the ‘women’ who actually comment on The Chive look like.

          • more beer

            I avoid The Chive like the plague. The one or two times I checked it out I actually felt dumber afterwards. Plus every time I see a any of those Keep calm shirts I feel like smashing someones face in.

          • KJU’s Dancing Testicle Teethys

            I do like their charity work though. I sent a card to one of their campaigns for a girl who sadly has passed recently. She ended up getting over 10,000 cards from people, which was her dying wish.

          • KJU’s Dancing Testicle Teethys

            Weren’t Quiverfull the ones who basically taught kiddy diddling?

          • Guacamole Jim

            And that’s where the problem lies. When do we stop being “accepting” and realize that there are actually evil things that happen around the world?

            It’s a very difficult issue, and obviously should be treated with caution. I think you’re making good points, and these are things that should be discussed. But they need to be, and are being, discussed in the light of greater cultural sensitivity, and I think that needs to remain a part of the discussion. Why liberate a people who have no desire to be liberated, simply because we think they need it?

          • sweetooth0

            That’s America’s specialty.

          • KJU’s Dancing Testicle Teethys

            You’d be amazed just how many everyday Iraqis wish that Saddam was still in power. Cruel and oppressive guy, sure, but look at the clown car from hell that we opened up when we ‘liberated’ them. Saddam was horrible, but nowhere near the savagery of ISIS, who would’ve been snuffed out quick under his rule.
            I’ve had long discussions with people who say we should go ahead and just ‘liberate’ North Korea, all while forgetting that we’re talking about a country of 20 million brainwashed people who’ve been taught from birth that the Kims are the end all to everything. The humanitarian fallout from toppling the regime and having millions of starved, confused and angry people with almost nowhere to go wouldn’t exactly go well.

        • The W.

          I have seen some activism towards female castration that occurs in some states, especially Saudi Arabia.

          • KJU’s Dancing Testicle Teethys

            I worked with a Nigerian guy ages and ages ago, and he was telling me about some of the tribes there actually pour ants on a woman (I’m assuming these ants bite), and if she screams or cries once, she doesn’t earn her womanhood.

        • KJU’s Dancing Testicle Teethys

          Read ‘I Am Malalla’ sometime. Fairly short book, but a great insight into some of the women’s rights issues in places like that, especially regarding education (which she got shot in the head by the Taliban for).

      • TrickleDownOvTacoKvltRiff

        as a hot dude I can relate…sometimes I want to go out in sweats and not feel like an object all the fucking time…

        • I’d give you a feel of my object xoxo

          • TrickleDownOvTacoKvltRiff

            ba boom! can I get a dumptruck full of likes too?

          • better yet

          • TrickleDownOvTacoKvltRiff

            i love this damn thing! thanks bro!

          • KJU’s Dancing Testicle Teethys

            Watch out or he might run a train on you!

      • more beer

        But from a Western perspective. That is like buying a car sight unseen without taking it for a test drive..

        • The W.

          I’m not quite sure what you’re meaning here.

          • more beer

            I`m saying from a Western male perspective you like to see what you are getting. We are visual creatures.

          • The W.

            Ahhhhhh, gotcha. True, haha. Right, we, a bunch of western male dudes, are sitting around having a talk about how women in a different culture perceive things.

          • more beer

            I couldn`t even pretend to know.

          • The W.

            I have Muslim friends and have spent some time in the Middle East, but all I can say is what I’ve heard.

          • more beer

            As do I. One of my friends told me how his family had to escape from Iran after the Shah was deposed. It was pretty scary for him and his family. I spent 7 months in Beirut in 83 when I was in the Navy. We weren`t at war but it was definitely a war zone. I watched the Sunni and the Shi`a Musilum factions have fire fights with each other on a nightly basis. Plus the Marine barrack`s bombing. They need to make peace with each other before we can do anything.

          • The W.

            You hit on a good point, and that’s that we’re making generalizations about a very diverse group of people all falling under one religion. Even within the main sects of Islam there are regional differences, and then you through in historical influences in places like Uzbekistan (which has a weird mix of Soviet Russian culture and Arab culture), and everything becomes infinitely more complex.

            That’s crazy about your time in Beirut. How long were you in the Navy?

          • more beer

            Long enough to know not to re-enlist. But back then I did 3 years active 3 years reserve. They had better enlistment deals back then. I don`t know how our government thinks they can go in and change problems that have been going on for 2000 years. The only way anything is going to change is if they do it themselves for themselves.

          • The W.

            I agree there. That’s why I made the comment below about education being the point of leverage.

          • more beer

            Absolutely. But like everything else change has to come from within.

          • The W.

            Yup yup. And that applies to any culture. I think we as Americans need to really focus on fixing things here at home too.

          • more beer

            I couldn`t agree more. Who are we to tell anyone what to do if we can`t even get it right.

          • more beer

            On a side note I was able to get all of the Mega Force releases in the PX in 84.

          • KJU’s Dancing Testicle Teethys

            Yep, the Middle East was chaotic even before Islam came around! Can’t tell that to the far right Christians who forget everything from the Bible that happened in that region, though.

          • more beer

            The far right only pick and choose what suits them. That region of the world has been in turmoil since the beginning of time and will remain so until the end.

          • KJU’s Dancing Testicle Teethys

            Yep!

          • KJU’s Dancing Testicle Teethys

            It’s kinda common sense that eludes the whole anti-Arab crowd, but if 1.5 billion people (Muslims) were all like they (the anti-Muslim crowd) say they are, there wouldn’t be a world left.

          • KJU’s Dancing Testicle Teethys

            Most of what I know about what happened in Iran around that time is from the movie ‘Persepolis’. Excellent film!
            You’d be surprised, but the singer from And One is originally from Iran. His family left though once the whole takeover happened.

          • more beer

            Well apparently my friends parents were loyal to the Shah and after the Ayatollah took over they were locking up and killing his supporters. I haven`t seen that movie but now I will at some point.

          • KJU’s Dancing Testicle Teethys

            It’s quite good. The animation is kinda lo fi, but the overall film is superb.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PXHeKuBzPY

          • KJU’s Dancing Testicle Teethys

            I can say that the Muslims I’ve known are some of the nicest and least pushy people out there when it comes to religion. Kinda odd when Muslim friends would come over to my old place in Chicago, knowing that there was a 99% chance we’d be smoking weed and drinking like poets on payday, but they never complained.

          • KJU’s Dancing Testicle Teethys

            Over some Bdubs and Four Loko, of course! While getting slapped by the waitresses.

          • KJU’s Dancing Testicle Teethys
          • more beer

            Yep

      • KJU’s Dancing Testicle Teethys
  • tertius_decimus

    You, (mostly) US-inhabitants, don’t know what sitting in The Banner way means in CIS countries and what kind of social group does that. It’s both: funny and something to cry bitter tears.

    http://s.pikabu.ru/post_img/2013/06/25/12/1372186854_1141297316.jpg

    • The slav squat, right? WHY DO THEY DO THAT

      • tertius_decimus

        The answer is:

        ………………………..drum roll………………………….

        BECAUSE!

        Nobody knows why they do that. These dudes don’t know the answer either. Guess, if they’ll ever spot The Banner tee-shirt, they’ll recognize the band as “cool” one.

      • INDUBITABEARD

        To work the glutes, dummy

      • EsusMoose

        I asked my Polish roommate about it, he didn’t know that was a stereotype, it’s a mystery

    • Vncle Killvps

      MORE

      • CyberneticOrganism

        *FRRRRRRRPPP*

    • KJU’s Dancing Testicle Teethys

      A circle squirt?

      • tertius_decimus

        Not sure what do you mean by that, but no, not even close. 🙂

        • KJU’s Dancing Testicle Teethys

          Squirt as in when you take a liquid shit. It’s a take on the term ‘circle jerk’.

  • Tyree
  • Rho Stone

    The greatest armor is the human flesh, mosh in the nude

  • Also, someone buy me that Terror shirt plz.

  • Mother Shabubu III 12 BRICKS

    I just had the best fucking Ataulfo mango that even this level of shirt-douchery is currently ineffective at rustling meine jimmies. Suck it shirt-douche-men.

    PS: This strawburrrry Kombucha is also delicious.

  • Disgustache

    Thanks for posting, keeping the scene alive, you know? My bros are like my family, and family eats pizza together and keeps that PMA. We’ll fuck up anyone that says otherwise. We’re so tight, we put locks on our plugs and locked our lobes together. Locks of lobe.

  • zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    hatebreed=controlled /promoted on mtv—–who are supposed to –be “anti hate” and shit like that—
    fake—bullshit—-who were used by cnn–in a media psyop—to try to give the impression that rock music was full of ‘hate”/”extremism/—
    yet they were completely controlled by Viacom media/pro Rockefeller/allied media agenda

    fake racist bands controlled by non music fans–as promotion for agenda 21 social segregation/perspective—to create negative impressions on purposed—
    to create a bigger problem—to try to justify war and totalitarian philosophy
    to serve Rockefeller/Clintons—–as the new hitlers

    • INDUBITABEARD

      This is why I listen only to real racist bands

      • IronLawnmower

        like Grand Belial’s Key!

        Who I’ve become addicted to.

  • The only HxC i dig is from Maracaibo:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK67zUgWiP4

  • The W.

    That Norma Jean shirt is one of the worst ones you’ve shown here.

  • Tyree

    Jumping the gun here, but what ever. It’s a toilet, so… Here is an ugly for you.

    Post alcohol drinking poops are gross and way too frequent. I’ve gone 3 times in an hour. Just hit me like a bag of bricks.

    Don’t drink excessively kids. It will just make you spray poo and alcohol out of you bum hole.

    • it’s the Yuengling bro…

      • Tyree

        HA! Well, we were drinking pitchers of that at the bar. Could very well be choo choo train.

        • they just started selling it where I am…the lights go down so nicely….my poops have never been more…regular.

        • more beer

          They have now been designated the #1 craft beer in America. They recently changed the rules. Jim Koch must be pissed.

          • KJU’s Dancing Testicle Teethys

            I missed that while I was in Chi. Oddly enough, you can’t get it there for some reason.

          • more beer

            I don`t know why they did it. But they changed what the designation of what a craft beer is. I haven`t had one of those in years. I used to drink them when I was at my fathers house, he loves them. I`m a beer snob in Colorado I have plenty of good beers to pick from.

    • IronLawnmower

      Good thing I don’t drink anymore.

    • sweetooth0

      If it ain’t blood you’ll be OK. Checks TP, better go see the doctor…

    • KJU’s Dancing Testicle Teethys

      Even worse, and this is after I’ve binge drank for several days, then stop for a day: liquidy acidic shits. Not sure if that’s bile or not coming out, but IT BUUUUUUURNS!

      http://anticache.img0.joyreactor.com/pics/post/funny-pictures-auto-football-demotivation-389992.jpeg

  • IronLawnmower

    I like to smoke weed and listen to straight edge hardcore to stick it to those guys in a very minor way

    • None of these bands are straight edge.

      • IronLawnmower

        I know but it’s the principle.

        Like making a point of not eating at mcdonalds when there isn’t one in your town.

      • more beer

        I saw Youth of Today totally drunk does that work as sticking it to them?

  • IronLawnmower

    incidentally the banner’s logo reminds me of the one for local band Fuckhammer. Check them out their pretty good. https://youtu.be/zkGTcrBD8iA

  • KJU’s Dancing Testicle Teethys

    The link to that Blood For Blood (never heard of them before) article was kinda pointless since they didn’t say what he did, so I had to Google it………. Yikes, he’s one of the Duggars, apparently! OK, maybe not THAT creepy, but not far from it!

  • Lacertilian

    TakingADumpCore had me cracking up