Riff ov the Week: 8-15-15

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Look, I forgot that I had to do this shit and it’s late as shit and I need to wake up early in the morning to do some shit, so I’m just going to get right down to this shit. Got a few real good ones this week!

Last week, Mr. Joe obviously destroyed all competition in the one-word-chorus edition by selecting the mighty “Panama”. God dammit. Well played.

Next week:

  • Here’s an idea. Forgot who sent it in. Sorry. OUT-OF-PLACE RIFFS. It’s gotta sound out of place. I dunno, man. For whatever reason, it doesn’t sound like it belongs. I’ll leave it at that and leave it to you. But it fucking better sound out of place. And you better explain why, dammit.
  • Send your out-of-place riffs to toiletovhellriff@gmail.com. Include your name, a link, the time of the riff, and your explanation.
  • If you have an idea for a theme, let me know.
  • Riff on, warriors.

 

Masterlord

One of the greatest riffs in all of black metal. Start at the 1:30, listen to the end of the song. COLD.

 

Karhu

One of black metal’s most unique and underrated bands. Pure gold. And that riff at 0:45 UNFFF..!

 

Ted Nü-Djent

I remembered recently that Soulfly were due to release another album of rehashed boring by the numbers crap soon which got me thinking about a time when Max Cavalera wrote great, memorable riffs. Before I knew it I was revisiting the early Sep releases on my way to and from work, head banging, air drumming, air guitaring and generally having a blast while the rest of the traffic were stuck, miserable in their cars. The first Sep song that ever hooked me was “Dead Embryonic Cells” and it was the riff that started at about 3:08.
That really hit the spot.

 

Waynecro

The riff, which begins at about 2:57 and repeats at about 4:46, is not so much dick crushing as it is heartbreaking. The pairing of the steady blast beat with the slow, hypnotic harmonies creates an awesome effect, and the sort of plodding bass line ties everything together nicely. This riff brings the feels, but it brings them with the impact of a bag full of explosive claw hammers. Also, the rest of the song crushes dicks.

 

Kim Jong Un

Yes, this is Kim Jong Un who submitted this. Rub your eyes again to make sure, motherfucker! NYEAH!

 

Lacertilian

Obsequiae released this album earlier this year and for me, it has been growing stronger and stronger with each listen. There is something majestically pleasing about their style. The riff around 1:30 swells within me. Let its beauty enchant your vote in this direction.

 

Tigeraid

Really digging Judicator‘s latest. Tasty galloping licks begin around 0:20 and fade in and out of the song, with a few great tempo changes. Your power metal hate only makes me stronger!

 

Ron Deuce

The opening riff from Hatred Surge’s “Dark Circles” needs no explanation. It repeats itself over blast beats and breakdowns throughout its duration. If you’ve ever had the urge to punch somebody, this is the soundtrack for when you take that swing. Vote Power Violence this Saturday!

 

Tapir

This one’s a dimmadarn classic! Riff comes at 0:24.

 

Howard Dean

A lot of bands in extreme metal have burning contempt for the Abrahamic religions. But no band expresses that hate as convincingly as Grand Belial’s Key. Their riffs are religious hatred manifest. GBK is the total package. You can hear the hate and disgust in the vocals, in the energy of the musical delivery, and most importantly, in the riffs themselves. They positively drip with contempt. The song “It Bribes The Heavens” mocks the Judaic rite of Kapparot, and it has one of those amazing, hateful riffs that runs throughout the entire song–in several variations. First, the riff is slow and ominous. Birds squawk. Dogs bark. Cattle moo in distress. A rabbi recites an ancient rite. Creepy shit. But then it all bursts. The vocals explode. The drums pound. The guitar speeds up, carving the air with sonic waveforms of fury. Masterful. The variation of the main riff that plays at 4:24 is particularly charged and emotive. Wow.

 

Richter

Crawl out of your grave at 8:07. Apparently, it’s all about that treble.

 

Vegglampe

Valfar, du var en ekte kriger! Intro riff.

 

Gorak

INTENSE! EVIL! IT ROCK! GOOD RIFFS ALL THROUGH SONG!

 

Lord Hugequad

Fucking heavy, bro.

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  • A pox on you for making me choose between Master’s Hammer and Windir. Windir wins out, but just barely. That riff is just perfect, dude.

    • Zeke

      I was VERY close to submitting something from invoke the dark age. We would’ve had a showdown. Since I was too lazy, you get my vote (as difficult as it is to pass over dead embryonic cells).

  • CyberneticOrganism

    Lord Hugequad. I just wanted to type that.

    • Howard Dean
      • CyberneticOrganism

        QUADZILLA

        • Janitor Jim Duggan

          As good old Kevin Nash would say “Ow, my quads!”

        • DCLXVI

          I used to have a suzuki 4wheeler that was called quadzilla. It was scary fast

      • A Most Curious Poo Poo Pile

        ……

  • ME GORAK(JM) B.C.™

    GORAK VOTE HORSE RHINO!!!!!!!!

  • Howard Dean

    I was the one who submitted the Out of Place RotW idea. Here is the explanation and example I gave:

    “Out of place riff ov the week – That riff that just seems out of place in a track, and stands out for how it contrasts with the rest of the music/riffs. Shitty bands do this fairly often, but here is the kicker: we’re not looking for shitty out of place riffs, we’re looking for the out of place riff that works and sounds kickass. Eample: the trippy, jam band riff and solo that pops up amidst some blistering black metal in the Nokturnal Mortum track Валькирия (at 3:50). Fucking sweet.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9c0VXgDi7E&feature=youtube_gdata_player

    • tertius_decimus

      I’m glad Ukrainian music gets so much recognition in the Toilet.

      • Paddlin’ Rites ov Beargod

        Been meaning to ask if you know Jinjer, I think they’re from Ukraine. Not sure if it’s you cuppa but I couldn’t help wondering.

    • holy crap that middle section is fucking gorgeous

      • Howard Dean

        I know, right? That entire fucking album is gold. Beautiful black metal.

    • Sir Tapir The Based :]

      Yo, I’ve been meaning to get into Nokturnal Mortum. This sounds really good. Which album would you recommend to start with?

      • Howard Dean

        This album from which I took the song I posted–The Voice of Steel is the album’s English translation–is their newest album and probably their best all around album.

        Lunar Poetry and Goat Horns are older albums but they are also really good, too. You can’t really go wrong. They are that good. But I consider The Voice of Steel to be a top 5 black metal album of all time (for me).

        • Sir Tapir The Based :]

          I need to start seeking for a physical copy of The Voice of Steel. Danke schön!

          • Paddlin’ Rites ov Beargod

            That’s going to be a really hard thing to find I reckon. Took me a long time to find anything, and even then it was a vinyl (which I can’t play) had to go to see them to get this album.

          • Sir Tapir The Based :]

            They have a 2 cd of it on bandcamp.

    • Ted Nü-Djent ™

      I like this

  • Scrimm

    Oh damn I glad I missed the column last week.

    • Howard Dean
      • Scrimm

        I get to listen to this 6 days a week.

        • Janitor Jim Duggan

          That must be torment. At my job they play generic pop muzak with the occasional classic rock song.

          • Scrimm

            Oh it is. I can tune most shit out but this just cuts right through all my attempts to block it out.

        • Howard Dean

          Nice!

          • Scrimm

            That’s not exactly the word I would choose to describe it.

          • Howard Dean

            Haha, I know. I can’t even imagine that kind of torture, having to listen over and over again to a band you strongly dislike, like that dude in the 40 Year Old Virgin. That would really suck. I admire your ability to not lose your shit and/or go postal in that situation.

          • Scrimm

            The only thing that saves me I think is that 90 percent of the time the job is fast paced so you don’t have much toime to let the anger boil over. Also the dislike of the music is overshadowed by my blinding hatred for most of my close coworkers.

          • Howard Dean

            Haha, I feel you. Being busy is a godsend sometimes. Makes you block out.and ignore the irritating shit, because you just have to get stuff done.

  • Howard Dean

    Tough choices this week. Great riffs from Master’s Hammer, death metal Darkthrone, Impaled Nazarene, Abigor, and Windir. But I had to go with Ted’s Sepultura riff, because my fuck is that a kickass riff. Morbid Visions thru Arise is the stuff the Sepultura legend was made on. Well done!

    • Janitor Jim Duggan

      It’s a shame Sepultura is so bad now.

      • Ted Nü-Djent ™

        JJD plz! You know how much I love Sepultura.

        Solid if not spectacular is how I’d describe them these days. The Mediator… was a pretty darn good album.

        • Janitor Jim Duggan

          The last album I enjoyed from them was Roots.

    • A Most Curious Poo Poo Pile

      Same here. Old school Sepultura is the tits! They should have called it quits after Chaos AD though.

    • OldMetalHead

      For me the Sepultura was barely edged out by the Pestilence. Both great rifs though.

      • more beer

        I`m with you there. Plus Pestilence is still putting out good music and kill it live.

        • Howard Dean

          I’m not a fan of the new Pestilence material, but the classic albums slay. Technicality in death metal done the right way.

          • more beer

            Even if you don`t like the new stuff. Which I do. It`s better than anything Sepultura has put out for a long, long time.

          • Howard Dean

            Very true, sir. I’ll give you that!

        • A Most Curious Poo Poo Pile

          They’re still together? I thought they broke up a couple of years ago.

          • more beer

            I dont remember hearing they aren`t together anymore. I just looked. They are on hiatus since 2014.

          • more beer

            You have a good day my friend. Barbecue Metal await.

          • A Most Curious Poo Poo Pile

            BBQ Metal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

          • more beer

            opps bar b que and metal. By the way your chicago homeboys Cardiac Arrest were pretty fucking good last night.

          • A Most Curious Poo Poo Pile

            Sweet! Never heard them, but anything that brings some much beloved pride to my beloved city.

          • more beer

            I thought you would like to hear that. It was a good weekend for me lot`s of beer and metal! Hope yours was good too!

          • A Most Curious Poo Poo Pile

            It was decent. Pretty chill overall.

          • more beer

            The way it`s supposed to be.

      • Ted Nü-Djent ™

        Awww man!

    • Ted Nü-Djent ™

      Why thank you sir

  • tertius_decimus

    Anata, Pestilence, Windir… the choice is tough. My vote goes to “Downward Spiral Into Madness”. Very memorable and easy-to-recognize riff, not to mention how the whole album kicks in the ass.

  • CT-12

    Ay, if Edward, Ron, or anybody who likes hip hop hasn’t heard already, Talib Kweli just released a new album for free download. I’m downloading as we speak. http://kweliclub.com/apps/downloads/orders/tracycaco%2540yahoo.com/990246

    • Edward/Breegrodamus™

      Ayyy, I have been playing Reflection Eternal a bit lately!

  • Super Nintendo Chalmers

    I’m calling out Karhu for being a poser. Master’s Hammer are from the Czech Republic, not Poland.

    PAY THE TAX, POSER.

    Also, Masterlord for missing that too, but ever since he cut his hair, we can’t expect much.

    • Where did he say anything about Poland??

      • DCLXVI

        Oh thats double poser tax chalmers. Pay up!

        • Super Nintendo Chalmers

          I’ll pay it with Mastetlord’s baby blue eyes that I’ll pluck from his skull.

          Stay void.

      • Super Nintendo Chalmers

        You editing bastard. Unless I totally made it up as I read it. I thought it said one of Poland’s underrated black metal bands. Fuck.

        • I promise I didn’t edit anything. You crazy bastard, you.

        • Paddlin’ Rites ov Beargod

          Easy on the bottle, you’re seeing things.

    • ME GORAK(JM) B.C.™

      MASTER’S HAMMER… (FROM POLAND!!!!!)

      https://youtu.be/vVXE012CoJQ

    • Paddlin’ Rites ov Beargod

      I can’t find the spot where I said they were from Poland.

      • Sir Tapir The Based :]

        Goddamn, you’re right! You’re still a poser tho.

  • Idea for future RoTWs: Stop submitting anti-Semitic bands every fucking week.

    • Howard Dean

      *Anti-Judaic/Anti-Abrahamic religions. If that means antisemitic to you, then so be it.

      The music kicks ass. That’s what I care about. A lot of great musicians in extreme metal are scumbags. Either deal with that, or you might as well mass avoid all black metal, old school death metal, war metal, noise, and anything like that, because probably at least half of those guys believe in shit you don’t like.

      If you get hung up because you don’t like the ideology (real or perceived), that’s on you. Don’t listen. Trying to be the Keystone Cop of Tolerance in extreme metal is futile and frankly, annoying.

      • A Most Curious Poo Poo Pile

        You are aware that Jewish is also a ethnicity, right?

        • An ethnicity closely intertwined with the religion, and either has made them a target throughout history.

          • A Most Curious Poo Poo Pile

            “An ethnicity closely intertwined with the religion”. Not necessarily.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugRXWDmWrNI

          • Closely, not inextricably.

          • A Most Curious Poo Poo Pile

            I’m amazed that no one’s surprised that I submitted a Darkthrone song.

          • Maybe they’re busy being surprised by remembering Darkthrone’s death metal period?

          • A Most Curious Poo Poo Pile

            Lol, that too!

          • i am. and i thoroughly enjoyed your pick!

          • Ted Nü-Djent ™

            Why should we be?

        • Howard Dean

          I’ve heard that lots, of course. I’ve actually never understood the interplay of the two. It seems it is either one whenever it needs to be.

          • A Most Curious Poo Poo Pile

            Well, it’s about like Middle Eastern and Islam, or Irish/Polish/Mexican/Brazilian and Catholicism. People often tend to think the two are the same thing.

          • Speaking as someone who grew up in Catholicism, they do tend to go hand-in-hand.

          • A Most Curious Poo Poo Pile

            Not quite.

          • A Most Curious Poo Poo Pile

            Not always though. That’s pretty much my point.

      • “If that means antisemitic to you, then so be it.”
        GBK is overty antisemitic and you know this. In the past few editions alone you’ve submitted Absurd, GBK, and Argoshlent. You’re either trolling or trying to get a message across. Neither are good looks.

        • Paris Hilton

          “I don’t hate Jewish people. I just hate everything they believe in, their traditions, what they base their morals on, and how they live their life.”

          • Mother Shabubu 4

            I detest a majority of human belief systems, but I don’t hate the actual people that need to abide by one in order to be a more civilized person. Not all people can exist without the imposed laws and guild lines set up by religions; it’s a necessary evil. At least that’s my worthless two cents.

          • Paris Hilton

            No, they don’t. However, what I’m saying is that for many people practicing religion provides them with a cultural identity, gives spiritual growth and self-reflection, social networking, and somewhere to turn when they afraid. Organized religion is far from perfect, but I feel like atheism provides very little in comparison from that perspective (though I do respect people’s choices). Is it logical? No. But human beings aren’t logical. I guess what I’m saying is that spending time writing music about how much you hate someone’s culturally ingrained beliefs, I have a very hard time believing that the hatred is a reflection on the people.

          • A Most Curious Poo Poo Pile
          • Óðinn

            To play “devil’s advocate,” many atheists, like myself, root our beliefs in higher education, which does have a lot to offer (i.e. the collective knowledge of human accomplishments and thought). I concede that religion does offer a social network that is beneficial to human happiness though.

            Also, I find it worse to hate people because of who they are, and commit actual atrocities against those who don’t share your illogical religious beliefs like so many religions (particularly the Abrahamic religions) do. Criticizing religion through music pales in comparison to the actions (murder, violence, genocide, homophobia, theft, war) of many true believers.

            Unfortunately, many right-wing anti-religious bands are also racists. For them, I offer no defense of their views.

          • Zeke

            The thing to keep in mind is that most antisemitism isn’t based on hatered for Jews’ beliefs or religious practices. If an ethically Jewish person tried to explain to a nazi that he was actually an atheist, the nazi wouldn’t just respond “oh, ok, you’re cool.” That’s what makes it totally different from glen Benton singing about Christianity. Antisemitism is more akin to racial prejudice or homophobia because it’s hatered toward a minoity group regardless of how the members of that group choose to live thier lives.

        • Howard Dean

          I’ve also submitted Aosoth, Bolt Thrower, and DsO in that time, too. Point?

          I like the music. Two of the picks (Arghoslent and Absurd) fit the theme of the week (solo and repeating chorus). This was a free week. I picked a GBK riff that I actually submitted over a month ago and that Masterlord held in the queue because he didn’t originally want to put it in the competition because things around the ToH were too tense (ask him, this is true).

          • Shiiiit I could have sworn you hated bolt thrower 😉

          • A Most Curious Poo Poo Pile
          • Brouroboris

            I’d just like to say I’m impressed by how reasonably you guys are talking this out, especially when the subject is so touchy. Props to y’all for expressing opinion in a mutually respectful way. THAT is what I call metal. BYAAAAAH to you gentlemen.

        • The God Emperor of Mankind

          Is Nocturnal Fear antisemitic? I’ve been wondering this for ages cuz rumor has it that their main riffbringer was in an NS skinhead band back in the day and on their youtube videos you get class act comments like “Hell yeah, playing a Rich bitch baby! (then they do that stupid fourteen eighty eight thing)” As the slowly dying ruler of a galaxy spanning Imperium of Man, these questions are cause for concern.

          • Howard Dean

            The guitarist in Nocturnal Fear is legitimately crazy. He’s also in the hardcore band Angry Aryans, so that’ll probably answer your question.

            Also, if a band ever says or writes the “1488” sound off in any way, they’re probably at least NS “friendly.”

          • The God Emperor of Mankind

            Yeah his interviews are always fucking weird, and you must be legitimately crazy if you think Morbid Angel sold out after their first demos.

          • The God Emperor of Mankind

            Also I’ve never heard anything of them saying the fourteen eighty eight thing specifically. It was just some geniuses on youtube.

      • There’s also a lot of great musicians in extreme metal who aren’t scumbags. It’s not an all-or-nothing scenario.

        • Paris Hilton

          Totally. Anti-semitic bands belong on metal-archives for all the mouth breathing, table top RPG playing virgins to enjoy, not here.

          • Hubert

            Solid argumentation

          • Paris Hilton

            I’m making generalizations, I know. But like really; how many outgoing, friendly, ambitious people do you that listen to that shit?

          • Paddlin’ Rites ov Beargod

            Around half the metalheads I know could be described at least 3/4 and don’t mind listening to this stuff. Admittedly, I don’t know that many metalheads but the point ought to stand nevertheless.

          • Howard Dean

            Great non-judgmental tone, you fuck. People with attitudes and broad-brushing opinions like you are just as bad.

          • In Paris’ defense, she’s never released a song called “The Shitagogue” like that is a clever thing to do.

          • Zeke

            I think I find GBK more distasteful because they come off like a bunch of stupid hicks. While varg is obviously a nut job piece of shit, at least he seems to be capable of reading a book.

          • IronLawnmower

            Read an interview with the main man/guitarist. He’s like one of those guys from school who thought they were intellectually superior to everyone else and treated everyone like they were thick. Also he REALLY likes football. (or soccer to yanks)

          • Howard Dean

            Taste in humor is subjective, of course, but that play on words IS a helluva lot more clever and original than the trite and tired “metal culture and metal-archives are for nerdy assholes and virgin betas” bullshit Paris spouted.

          • Zeke

            “The Shitagogue” is clever???

          • Howard Dean

            I chuckled.

          • Zeke

            To each his own

          • Paris Hilton

            In my defense- I don’t listen to racist bands with a “if you don’t like this don’t listen to it” attitude, then act like a crybaby when I get made fun of for listening to racist bands. If you don’t like me don’t listen to me!

          • Paris Hilton

            >Blaming me of broad brushing
            >As you’re defending racist bands that do the exact same thing, except with an entire race of people and several religions.

          • Howard Dean

            I haven’t once defended the ideologies or beliefs of these bands, because I don’t agree with them, and frankly they aren’t capable of being defended. I realize that, and I’m not trying to defend their beliefs. Ever.

            I’m giving my approval of their music–their art. That’s what I enjoy. That’d what I endorse. That they are scumbags or racists means nothing to me. I’m in it for the music and the riffs. I submitted a RIFF today to a RIFF competition, not an ideology to a forum on injustice.

            On the other hand, you said this type of music has no place here, because it can be liked only by virgins and assholes that hang around at metal-archives, and it has no place here. I called you out for broad brushing because that’s exactly what you did.

          • Paris Hilton

            So what you’re saying is I could hypothetically submit white power country music but it’s OK because I don’t agree with the ideology. At the end of the day, you still listen and actively seek out anti-semitic music. Whether you believe in it or not.

          • Sir Tapir The Based :]

            When did he say that he actively seeks out anti-semitic music? You can find music, enjoy it and only after that notice it has anti-semitic lyrics. HD evidentially enjoys a lot of music that doesn’t have these kinds of lyrics. I enjoy a lot of music with satanic lyrics, as do many other metalheads. Doesn’t make us all satanists.

          • Scrimm

            I’m not trying to get involved but I don’t know if it’s entirely fair to assume he actively seeks it out. He as a fan of black metal as are many one here, and unfortunately that kind of hateful sentiment is fairly common in the style and hard not to come across when you are diggin into the genre looking for new bands.I have come across maaaany over the years. One has to make the choice whether or not to listen but just because they do doesn’t mean he’s actively seeking it out. When did we go from having intelligent discourse about these subjects to throwing shit at each other?

          • Paris Hilton

            You’re right. Sorry for assuming that, Howard. To put it intelligently, I don’t believe that TOH should support hate speech- musical or otherwise. By doing that, we are not taking a stand and not saying, “This isn’t ok.” What you listen to is your prerogative, but it should not be here.

          • Scrimm

            I was just coming back to edit this comment to reflect that it wasn’t aimed solely at you. I’d hate to see this place degenerate into the cesspool other sites are.

          • Paris Hilton

            I don’t want it to either, and I apologize to all. Honestly, I’m kind of pissed off that racist bands are on here. The reason being is that I am now someone who frequents a website that broadcasts racist music. I shouldn’t be the only one upset by this. I fucking hope I’m not. If people want to listen to and can separate the lyrics and music, bully for them. There’s thousands of other sites you can find that stuff on, not publishing it here won’t make it go away or anything. But, it will solidify that we don’t support hate speech.

          • Scrimm

            Agreed it’s a dangerous thing, as a lot would see the stuff on here and just assume it’s accepted in the community, And I wouldn’t want that either. I just hate to see the toilet OG’s fighting. Also just to be clear as far as I know I don’t own anything supporting that horseshit, unless Drudkh really does have ties.

          • Dubzlinger, Malandro

            Roman Saenco, the main man behind Drudkh and BoK, used to be in a band called Hate Forest. However, he, like many other black metal musicians, have severed their ties to the scene and admitted it was folly. I believe Nokturnal Mortum did as well.

          • Scrimm

            Yeah that’s what I thought.

          • Paris Hilton

            Metalheads will frequently cry “freedom of speech”, but what they don’t understand is the personal responsibility that freedom entails of how it effects themselves and others.

            I know I was acting like a dick. I was angry, that doesn’t mean I should have let it get the best of me. However, I don’t apologize for why I’m angry. I have every right to be. I cannot support the spreading of hate speech, no matter how insignificant and innocent it seems.

          • Scrimm

            I don’t think you were acting like a dick, I know it is a very incendiary subject and you’re opinion is a very valid one. It’s a dangerous slope to have that material presented here unless it is within a very specific concept like the originaly post here addressing the issue.

          • Paris Hilton

            Lots of what I’m saying is fact, as well. We are currently on a webpage that is promoting an anti-semitic band. More people will find it and listen to it because of this site. That is a fact.

            No matter what you believe- or if you just listen for the music- if you listen to Nazi or racist bands you are still listening to and enjoying hate speech. That is a fact.

            By supporting these artists we are supporting the spread of hate speech. That is a fact.

          • Scrimm

            I hear you and I Didn’t mean to confuse facts for opinion, just stating that some do view it different. I do agree with you and Joe pretty much but I also agree it’s someone’s personal choice to enjoy that shit and it’s not my place to judge them. Don’t need it here though.

          • A Most Curious Poo Poo Pile

            There’s definitely racist, homophobic, misogynist dickheads in the metal community, just like any scene. But what brings us together on The Toilet is a mutual love of metal and different tastes in music, plus different backgrounds. As far as I know, there’s people from Brazil, Venezuela, Finland, Spain, Canada, all kinds of places in America, Australia, Ukraine, and the UK. From all kinds of beliefs and backgrounds, united by metal and the other kinds of music we love.I doubt that TOH is gonna become another MS, MI, or a litany of other metal sites.

          • I fully back everything you’re saying here.

          • Paris Hilton

            Thanks! I knew you’d fuckin be on my side Thrashnkill!

          • Janitor Jim Duggan

            I back Paris as well. There shouldn’t be any bands that promote hate of any kind on here.

          • Lacertilinger

            What if the band hates the government, money, abuse, tofu, the wind or racists?

          • My only problem with this type of thinking is wondering where it begins and ends. Do we ban all the Christian-hating bands that talk about killing Christians then? IMO the best way to keep things fair would be to put some sort of disclaimer around these type of bands saying their political views don’t reflect the beliefs of this website or something like that. Just a thought, sorta playing devil’s advocate here.

          • A Most Curious Poo Poo Pile

            Exactly! Part of why I came to this site in the first place!

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKvxGZXd_YE

          • Paddlin’ Rites ov Beargod

            I’d like to support you but basically, between the lines, I read “This shit belongs only to sites that are okay with racism”. And while there’s at first glance nothing wrong with saying that by extension it also means that anyone who enjoys art separating the artists’ beliefs from it (I feel you’re not referencing only openly racist stuff here) are in fact no better than racists, or any different.
            And if that really is your opinion…

          • Paris Hilton

            What I’m saying is you can listen to racist music all you want. I find really hard to believe that you can listen to hate speech and “not agree with the ideology”. Obviously you’re not that against it. As I’ve said- listening to hate speech, even separating “music and artist”, still means you’re enjoying hate speech. That’s a fact. Either don’t support it or have the balls to admit you don’t care that you’re listening to hate speech (btw when I say you I don’t mean you in particular, just anyone who does). It doesn’t mean you’re worse than the racists, but it does mean you don’t care that you’re listening to it. Tell yourself what you want, at the end of the day you’re still listening to and supporting racism.

          • Paddlin’ Rites ov Beargod

            That’s what I don’t get. Metal is a genre almost universally agreed upon that no one gives a shit about the lyrics, but when the lyrics are racistic suddenly they have to be the reason people listen to these songs?
            For me it’s almost like the 2015 version of the “all metalheads are satanist psycopaths” banter that was popular around 30 years ago.

          • Paris Hilton

            I didn’t say you were a racist. So don’t get that out of this- for the record, I’m sure you’re not.

            However, promoting racist and Nazi bands on this webpage is not fair to those of us who do not want to be associated with hate groups. When people listen to hateful bands they are supporting racists, whether they believe in the ideology or not. If people pay for the music, they are giving money to racists to spread their message. That is an undisputable fact.

            My view is this- you can listen to whatever. That’s fine, but it is unfair for everyone to have to promote racist bands on this site, it is unfair that we have to promote people that believe many of us aren’t legitimate human beings. Just like of you were to play racist music at work, they could fire you as it would be a poor reflection on the company. The editors agree with me on this point, and more bands will be screened, so either way, we don’t have to worry about racist bands being published here.

          • Paddlin’ Rites ov Beargod

            I understand why people don’t want to see scumbag bands getting featured here and I think it’s ultimately a good thing they won’t.
            As I (very briefly) explained to W not long ago, the matter’s been a red flag here lately and I disagreed strongly with both sides, so I get defensive ’bout it.

          • Paris Hilton

            No problem! It is quite a polarizing subject, but I do appreciate that people are able to hash it out in a civil matter.

          • The Haunting Presence of Tyree

            Hatred in metal? Never heard of that.

          • Paris Hilton

            You got a point lol. There’s a difference between hatred fact and fiction, however.

          • The Haunting Presence of Tyree

            Like Howard, I to listen to a lot of metal that consists of horrible scumbags. When I seek bands like this I’m not listening/looking for their horrible beliefs that they spew out. I’m listening to if I like the music or not; my taste in metal is mostly filthy, raw, disgusting sounding black metal and death metal. Unfortunately this style of metal comes with some shitty points of views sometimes. It’s sucks when I hear that some of these bands are total shit-heads, but that won’t stop me from listening to their music. I just recently got into Nyogthaeblisz who have total hatred towards Abrahamic Religions. I still listen to them because the music is exactly what I like in black metal. Just filthy, raw, and chaotic sounding. I’m not a religious person or a racist by any means. My taste in metal just comes with some shitty perspectives sometimes that I have to deal with, and I can live with that. Call me a horrible person if you’d like but I have yet to post a anti-Semitic band yet if that helps my case.

          • Guacamole Jim

            I don’t think that makes you a shitty person. You like what you like, and that’s rad. If you were constantly talking about the questionable stuff you liked, and telling people they should ignore the questionable parts, overcome being uncomfortable with the message, and just listen to it, that would be pretty shitty. But while you’re unapologetic about what you love, you’re not trying to convince anyone they should get over being uncomfortable with it, and that makes a world of difference.

          • The Haunting Presence of Tyree

            I love to hate if that makes sense… Hahaha. Nah, I appreciate your point a fuck load dude. Most of my hate is more of an act on this blog. Black metal and most extreme metal is extreme obviously and the means hateful opinions and fictional extremities. It can get over the top, but as long as people understand that these shitty points of views are shit, I feel that it ok to listen to the music. It’s like watching horror movies. These movies are violent, fucking murderous, racist, and blasphemous. When it comes to musical opinions people seem to fucking go crazy it seems. I’ve never understood the whole thing. People can watch gore, death, and hate visually in movies but music is some how metal is a trigger to to murder and all things bad. I’m getting to in depth here, but I just think metal will be metal and shitty people will be shitty people. Just deal with it and enjoy the music.

          • Guacamole Jim

            I think you make a good point about black and extreme metal having hateful, offensive ideologies. There’s really something about music coming from that place, a place of hate and anger and a desire to offend, that draws people into metal. It seems there’s a line, though. I won’t tell anyone they can’t listen to something, especially if they love it — in fact, I can respect an individual’s ability to listen to something like that, feel the anger and hate, and not have to feel turned off by questionable ideologies. But on the other side, I’ll never tell anyone they shouldn’t feel offended by ideologies that are blatantly hateful. Maybe it’s an immaturity, but that’s a personal matter. Which brings me back to my original point, why I think nobody gets angry with you when they do (obviously, haha) with HD. You love filthy, evil music, and you don’t mind if other people don’t. You’ve for sure exposed me to a lot of rad shit I’d never have heard of otherwise, in your quest for all things gnarly as fuck.

          • In your defense, you did write this article and there were some great conversations concerning all of what you guys are discussing in this thread: http://www.toiletovhell.com/howard-deans-kvlt-ov-personality-incorrigible-apathy/

          • A Most Curious Poo Poo Pile
          • A Most Curious Poo Poo Pile

            Totally. Anti-semitic bands belong on Failure For Blogs for all the mouth
            breathing, table top RPG playing virgins to enjoy, not here.

            FTFY

      • Hubert

        It’s a tough subject, but I agree with this. Assholes can be interesting people, and assholes can be great artists.

      • IronLawnmower

        I’m in the same boat as you. Love GBK and Arghoslent musically but Gelal/Pogrom is an insane asshole who I wouldn’t want to meet IRL.

      • DCLXVI

        Yo HD wanna buy a TovH tshirt?

        • Howard Dean

          Nah, I’m all set, but thanks. Like I said before, I don’t even wear band shirts, so I probably wouldn’t wear a ToH shirt. It’s a kickass design, though.

    • Paris Hilton

      Am I the only one who also finds it hilarious that a bunch of frustrated nerds will get together and display how much they hate religion by singing exclusively about religion?

      • A Most Curious Poo Poo Pile

        A good part about being an Atheist is the fact that I forget about religion in the first place.

        • Paris Hilton

          The best part is the euphoria

          • A Most Curious Poo Poo Pile

            “The best part of the dreaming is the awakening” -Antonio Machado

          • CyberneticOrganism

            BANNED FOR FEDORA

        • more beer

          Not having a religion is the best policy one can have.

        • 365chaosriddendays

          It’s just a personal thought but I think that religion is the symbol of human failure, atheism is the consequence of logic and reason, what makes me a thinker is the result of a world that puts his hope in a cult that has ruined and promotes disconnection, I do not hate somebody as a person but declivity in being not doubtful. There is no practical reason to believe in what is false, just for the sake of invalid delusions and the greatest fear to discover that existence is meaningless so religions shows intolerance towards intellectual integrity and the critique to the anthropocentric vision, sorry but man is not the most important thing in the universe, nature does not depends by human activities, life is sacred? God made all up?
          Affirmanti incumbit probatio: the burden of proving is up to the ones that makes assertions.

          • *tips fedora*

          • Paris Hilton

            Logic and reason.

          • 365chaosriddendays

            …are the great “ghosts” of our time!

          • Paris Hilton

            In the real world human beings aren’t logical. We’re angry, happy, devastated, hungry, horny, lonely. I don’t think it’s “weakness” that people identify with culturally ingrained traditions and beliefs. As I’ve said, I think atheists can be spiritually connected, but atheism doesn’t offer many of the things I had mentioned organizaned religion does.

            Honestly, if someone told me IRL I’m “brainwashed” and have no “intellictual integrity” for something that’s a part of my culture and who I am, I’d probably tell them to fuck off haha

          • 365chaosriddendays

            Good point, indeed, atheism is a philosophical position opposite to theism generally and monotheism particularly, on the other hand is another deep intellectual activity and oh, the irony, maybe a most spiritual experience that any religion because of the wish to understand the vastity of cosmos, the beginning of existence and so on because of the requested effort to think about the complexity of all life but yes, I’m with you about the fact that human beings aren’t logical, we are constantly very emotive, a humoral state that prevails, how many decisions we take are rational? I don’t say its “weakness” but is questionable, the part about “you are brainwashed” sounds like a useless insult and don’t lead anybody to a clearer state of mind, after all it’s just personal, to me, for example, as a metaphor “God is dead”

          • Dubzlinger, Malandro

            I’d argue that atheism doesn’t have a corner market on logic and reason. Just go look up any r/atheism post and you’ll see that there’s just as much poor understanding and faulty logic there as on the religious side. Plus, religion has a long and storied history of being supported by some of the world’s greatest thinkers: Ockham, Copernicus, Bacon, Pascal, Newton, Boole, Faraday, Joule, Plantinga, Craig, etc.

            Unfortunately, much of that grand tradition of exploring science and religion in tandem has been lost due to, in my opinion, the intermingling of religion and politics in the conservative right. A lot of writing has been done about it (I believe one of the main contributors to this problem is Christian Dominionism in the US). It became somewhat of a political point of pride to stand against the “hedonist liberal left” who sadly tended to hold science in higher esteem than the right.

          • 365chaosriddendays

            Hi, sorry but I had problems with internet in the last hour, well, I agree, the word “atheist” is not the equivalent for being smart or smarter than somebody else. Some of the greatest world thinkers indeed were believers, a thing pretty confusing but they are monuments of the intellectual human history, some other respectable thinkers like Arthur Schoepnhauer, Nietzsche and Charles Darwin gave us a true “spark of light” just for saying who was a real intelligent atheist human being. On the political issue, religion is a powerful allied for driving a nation.

          • Dubzlinger, Malandro

            I thought I saw you trying to type a response 😉 Those are all very interesting examples, and I’m glad you mentioned them. Darwin especially had a very interesting relationship with religion. This is a topic I love discussing because I’m both religious and a scientist (with peer-reviewed journal publications to my name). I think science is wonderful and an extremely powerful tool for describing the world. What I’m skeptical of is scientism, the monolithic world-view that espouses the idea that science alone is the only true source of knowledge. That’s problematic when you get into social sciences and metaphysics. There are aspects of human behavior and rationale that cannot be measured empirically, and when you take naturalism to its ultimate conclusion, it cannot be used to justify any sort of proof because it views all thoughts as mere chemical reactions. Any belief at that point is equally valid or invalid.

            I hope none of that came off as argumentative! I’m always interested in reading opinions and have some great papers to share if you’re interested.

          • A Most Curious Poo Poo Pile

            Ever seen ‘Creation’? Pretty interesting film about his marriage and his theory of evolution.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-E-AQkXYiQU

          • Dubzlinger, Malandro

            I haven’t. I should make a note to watch it, though.

          • 365chaosriddendays

            No copy and paste to give you an answer 😉 sir Darwin gave us a model to begin a mental revolution and most of all his book is a true hard blow to anthropocentrism, I think too that science as unique source of knowledge is very monolithic and maybe what we need are more answers about our cognitive process, how to raise our consciousness? here’s where metaphysics do his part, we do not have an infinite knowledge, we have to be open minded about “there is something beyond the world of natural laws?” but probably we need to know more about our “primordial ancestors”

          • Dubzlinger, Malandro

            I think we agree on something then, my friend. I think we’re getting into the realm of epistemology now.

          • A Most Curious Poo Poo Pile

            Kevin Bacon was one of the world’s greatest thinkers?

      • RJA

        It is kind of pathetic when the entirety of a band’s music is based on how much they hate religion. But a large portion of metal is based in anti-religion ideas no? So I guess like with anything else I can deal with it to some extent, but when it is the only message, yes it can get kind of ridiculous.

        • Paris Hilton

          True! It’s OK for the image, and Christianity does have a lot of cool mythology, which I think Satanic bands draw from. That being said, it’s like “Jesus Christ, Glenn Benton! I get it! You don’t like Jesus! Try singin about something else for a change? Doesn’t it ever get old?”

          • Max

            I have to disagree here. I feel the same way about Deicide’s singularity of imagery and subject matter as I do about Cannibal Corpse’s: I think it’s actually what makes the whole thing interesting – and brand-building is never not a good idea in a marketplace as crowded as music.

            And in a very real way, although it might be artistically limiting, it gives the band an artistic integrity that isn’t shared by bands who just sing about anything because they’re “open-minded”. A good example of that would be Metallica – who right from the start always cast their lyrical net a lot wider than a lot of metal bands did back then, but ended up having nothing to say at all around the time of St. Anger. Glen Benton will never run out of something to say.

            The bands that plow only one lyrical ditch are actually being braver artists in a sense, I think. Imagine trying to write new lyrics about the same subject matter year after year, album after album. That’s really a lot harder than just exploring whatever you like lyrically.

            I also find it telling that people only ever seem to use the “doesn’t it ever get old?” argument in relation to Deicide and the satanic bands. Nobody ever seems to get upset with, say, Nile, or Carcass.

          • Paris Hilton

            You do make a fair point! Theme acts can be cool.

          • A Most Curious Poo Poo Pile

            Well, to his credit, he did do ‘Till Death Do Us Part’, aka marriage metal. Then went right back to the 8th grade Satanist schtick. He reminds me of those kids in middle/high school who think they can summon Satan because they borrowed a copy of the Necronomicon from the library and watched The Craft.

    • CyberneticOrganism

      Toilet Ov Inclusiveness & Religious Tolerance

    • Janitor Jim Duggan

      I don’t get what’s so cool about hating religion. I’m religious and I consider these bands who hate on religion stupid.

  • 365chaosriddendays

    The dude with the toilet plunger and the power it holds, what’s in today’s agenda, ah yes, some sweet riff, this is for you and may Lucifer be with you, dear children of the beast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz1UWjx1TYc

  • Edward/Breegrodamus™

    I could have / should have just submitted this whole album for this week’s contest.

    https://thou.bandcamp.com/album/summit

  • A Most Curious Poo Poo Pile

    Waynecro almost got my vote. Haven’t heard that CD in ages!

  • Blood of kingu wins

  • Tigeraid, Tapir, Howard Dean -> three-way tie. but i must choose one (Tapir)

  • Howard Dean

    Just discovered the BEST UNSIGNED BAND IN THE WORLD. Check these fuckers out. Heavy as fuck. Bitchin’ tunes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGPeZxBncAo&feature=youtube_gdata_player

    • Ted Nü-Djent ™

      Bring back Whiff Of The Week

  • tigeraid

    Shit, I almost forgot about RotW too. Next week might be tough…. Hmm.

    Voting for mine because obv, but almost voted for Howard Dean purely because of his enthusiasm.

    • Ted Nü-Djent ™

      Already submitted my one for next week

  • Waynecro

    Soreption, Windir, and Obsequiae are awesome.