RIFF or RAFF: Emperor vs. Revocation

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Today in RIFF or RAFF, our contestants battle it out for 7-string supremacy. This week the combatants are Emperor and Revocation. Two riffs enter, one riff wins.

Last week I asked you to submit the very best 7-string riff. Two noble warriors stepped up to deploy a B-string battalion. Esusmoose and Lief Bearickson have submitted gigantic riffage. It is up to you, dear reader, to choose who RIFFS and who RAFFS. The winner of this round will achieve eternal glory. Also, I will do a shitty MS Paint drawing of the winner.


Alright, two hundred words to cover why I love and why you should love this riff? Ha, easy, probably. Revocation switched to using 7 strings during the recording of their self-titled, and have kept to them, not always to obvious extents. A Debt to the Grave off their 2014 album Deathless is a banger of intro track and though less flashy the underlying riff at 3:43 is the real king riff of this song. A fairly simplistic chug riff that cements the melody beneath the guitarmonies that take center stage and it’s through the building of this simple riff that this album really starts to burn. Why do I love it? Because I’m a sucker for builds, especially ones that rip this hard. If I’m driving and it comes on I will be that idiot head banging with total disregard to safety because god damn, it’s a good riff. Why do I think you should love it? Because for all the plethora of riffs Revocation( *cough*Dave) has written I don’t feel there’s a riff as simple as this one that really elicits the same energy and fits so perfectly into the song. There’s no necessary music theory you need to be taught to get it, you don’t really need to even like the band, it’s a solid riff that builds itself into a beast. And then it’s over too fast (even if it lasts almost a minute), but fuck that, turn up your speakers/headphones/humming and play it again. Now I will go back to the toilet where only the void and suffering awaits. –Esusmoose


7 string guitars haven’t always been the crutch of hopeless metalcore chuggers and djenty farts in the wind that think that a lower tuning means heaviness. No, back in MY day before all these damned kids got on my lawn the guitar was a respected instrument, and an extra string on it was akin to a beautiful unicorn. No man rode that unicorn with more pomp and majesty than Isahn in the final days of Emperor. On the bands last studio album they began to integrate seven string guitars, and no song or riff quite shows the depth they added to the music like the riff in “The Prophet.”

After a bit of tease in the intro, they really come out swinging at 2:28 when the track transforms from a slow burn into seven stringed black thrashing madness. The riff hits with such an unexpected immediacy and force that you have no choice but to widen your eyes in amazement and prepare for the storm it’s about to launch. If the stop start chugging isn’t enough to get you amped it, it even includes a tasteful pinch harmonic flourish on the tail end that would make Zakk Wylde weep openly like the rest of us when we hear his music. I don’t think I can state it any more simply than saying that this riff rules. It strikes fast and out of the blue, it has a quick stop/start, and it shows a band at their most complex willing to just throw down and RIFF. –Lief Bearickson


It is time to decide.

This poll is closed! Poll activity:
start_date 16-09-2016 09:00:00
end_date 23-09-2016 12:00:00
Poll Results:
Best 7-string riff?

NEXT WEEK I want you to send me your best CROSSOVER thrash/hardcore riff. Want to be the riff wizard? Here’s what you do:

  • Submit your riff at toiletovhell@gmail.com
  • Put “RIFF or RAFF” in the subject line
  • Include a link to a place where we can stream your song
  • Include the timestamp when the riff kicks in
  • Write 200-500 words about why you love this riff, and why we should love it too
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  • Janitor Jim Duggan

    Go Emperor! I do not enjoy Revocation at all.

    • What are your thoughts on Revocation JJD?

      • Mother Shabubu is fucking dead

        If only he would tell us what he thinks of Revocation! I need to know.

      • Janitor Jim Duggan

        Revocation is not as good as Toxic Holocaust or Skeletonwitch.

        • Ok then.

          • Abradolf Lincler

            still on the fence whether i should go see skeletonwitch, but they are playing with iron reagan

          • Ayreonaut

            uh how could you not want to go

          • Tampaxon, Flusher Of Gods

            My best friend said they put on a kickass live show, but he’s the only one I’ve heard say that.

          • ME GORAK™ GORAK SMASH™

            ME HAVENT SEEN YET EVEN THOUGH FROM OHIO!!!!!! 🙁 !!!!!!!!!! WILL HAVE TO CHECK OUT SOON!!!!!!!!!

          • Ayreonaut

            They put on a good show. Not boring at all, but also nothing legendary and mind blowing. Just a good middle of the road live metal band

          • Ayreonaut

            Replying to myself here… Saw death angel last night and that was absolutely killer. They put on an awesome show, and since they were their own headliner instead of opening for slayer and anthrax, they played a super long set until the venue made them stop. Those guys keep getting better and better!!!! Plus I got a poster autographed by all the members!

          • Stanley

            Death Angel is the band that I have seen most times live. They never disappoint. They never just turn up and go through the motions. They give it 110% every time.

          • Paddlin’ Rites ov Beargod

            How do you enjoy them on the records? Do you only fancy them in a live setting?

          • Stanley

            I have all their records (except the new one), so I guess you could say that I enjoy them on record too. 🙂

          • Paddlin’ Rites ov Beargod

            Ah, never been much of a fan of their recorded material. Some’s good, other’s not. So I figured if I should see them or not anyways.

          • Stanley

            You should go see them anyway. They are very good live.

          • Señor Jefe El Rosa

            GO SEE IRON REAGAN

          • ME GORAK™ GORAK SMASH™

            THEY PLAY GROG SHOP NEXT WEEK!!!!! MAYBE GO BUT ME SEE BLIND GUARDIAN & GRAVE DIGGER TUESDAY!!!!!

          • Señor Jefe El Rosa

            GUARDIAN GUARDIAN GUARDIAN OF THE BLIND!!!!
            I’m seeing them in a week and a half!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • ME GORAK™ GORAK SMASH™

            NOW IT FEEL THE CURSE OF HEAVEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Stanley

            I’m not going to see Skeletonwitch as the mighty Deathhammer are playing on the same night. Easy decision.

    • Tampaxon, Flusher Of Gods

      200-500 word explanation or your comment never happened.

  • Señor Jefe El Rosa

    Oh wow! this is cool that we got two very different styles. I was a tad worried we were just going to get a bunch of Meshuggah rip offs, but then I remembered THIS IS THE TOILET OV HELL, not some wimpy ass bullshit blog. Kudos to both contestants today! May the best riff win

    • Maik Beninton™

      I was thinking of sending a Periphery song just to anoy Joe, but I was too busy and forgot, also I can’t write that much for a riff, I’m bad just at picking a riff.

      I’m surprised by these picks though, I didn’t know that both of these bands used 7 string guitars, also surprised for no Max, his text would definitely be something interesting to read.

      • Señor Jefe El Rosa

        He probably got bust reading DUNE again

        • Maik Beninton™

          Or maybe accidently wrote a thousand word description.

          • Señor Jefe El Rosa

            and Joe just decided to use it as an article, haha

      • EsusMoose

        I too was considering sending in a peruphery riff

        • Eliza

          But then you’d have to actually listen to Periphery.

          • Tampaxon, Flusher Of Gods

            As long as you plug it through a karaoke machine to get rid of the vocals, Periphery’s pretty badass.

          • Eliza

            I know, it’s such a shame they didn’t get just go instrumental, or at least get a better vocalist.

          • Tampaxon, Flusher Of Gods

            What they’d sound like if they did that (went instrumental):

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNotnzziVmg

          • Eliza

            Much better.

          • Ayreonaut

            Therein lies the problem

          • more beer

            No you really don’t. Just don’t hit play.

      • There are some Periphery riffs that would get my vote. Easily. Submit one! Hell, I’ll halp (if you wanna collab)

  • W.

    This is a solid first week. I like the longer descriptions.

    • Joaquin Stick

      I like this format a lot as well. Paying close attention to 2 riffs is more interesting that sloppily playing 15 and trying to remember which one I even liked at all.

      • Lindaccrooks

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    • Once it gains momentum, I predict it’s going to be an engaging project. This kind of thing gets people talking.

  • Abradolf Lincler

    if submissions jeep going like this, i can just revert to voting for what band i like the most

  • Eliza

    I’ll always miss RotW, but this new format is pretty good too. The Emperor riff is amazing. Revocation is good too, but not as good.

    • Ayreonaut

      First bolt thrower, now ROTW… whats the point of even living anymore

      • more beer

        Beer & Metal!

        • Señor Jefe El Rosa

          DAMN STRAIGHT!!!!!

  • Ayreonaut

    BRAIN DRILL

    • Tampaxon, Flusher Of Gods

      ‘Nuff said.

    • Zac Melvin-McNutt

      No

      • Abradolf Lincler

        oh shit, the mcnuttys are multiplying

  • Fine Sexy Ladies

    Emperor. Always.

  • Tampaxon, Flusher Of Gods

    My vote goes to bear. Revocation is good, but Emperor, mane! All hails to the Emperor Bear!

    http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/31200000/King-Tenderheart-Bear-care-bears-31237528-1889-1545.jpg

  • 365ChaosRiddenDays

    Their viaticum towards the greatness: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLrTnb5EPUA

  • Randall’s Sweaty Space Pants

    So a forgettable Revocation riff vs. the class and might of Emperor.

    Should be a tight race.

  • Zeke

    The prophet is probably my favorite song on Prometheus. God Ihsahn sure is a black wizard

    • Tampaxon, Flusher Of Gods

      With a tongue of fire.

      • Zeke

        I think empty is probably my second favorite

      • Zeke

        Ahhhh it took me a minute, but I see what you did there!

    • Correction: He is a black wizards.

      • Zeke

        Fair point

      • He am the black wizards

  • High on Vallenfyre

    That Emperor just rocked my socks off! My feet are cold.

    • Eliza

      I hate having cold feet.

  • tigeraid

    Where’s Bauer? We need more Revocation votes.

  • Rob M

    This…wasnt really much of a competition this week

  • I don’t think this is going to fix the problem of people voting for bands and not riffs lol

    • BobLoblaw

      Or voting by subgenre.

    • Or it could be recognized that trying to micro-manage how people decide to vote for inconsequential contests on an obscure metal blog is kind of silly.

      • Agreed

      • Paddlin’ Rites ov Beargod

        One could recognize that there was zero point in continuing ROTW as it was. Interest was not shown, riffs were not listened to, participation had been dwindling, few – if any cared about the riffs and luteral farts were submitted more than once.
        On top of which, it never ran.
        So the choices were to kill it or replace it.

        • I really don’t care about any of that, people still gonna treat it how they want to treat it. New format seems neat. There had to be better submissions to take on Emperor than Revocation though.

          • Leif Bearikson

            I thought for sure my opponent would choose a Morbid Angel song, so I went with an Emperor tune. Otherwise I would’ve gone with Where the Slime Live, probably

      • Lacertilian

        INCONSEQUENTIAL?!
        THERE’S A PRICELESS ONE OF A KIND PIECE OF ART ON THE LINE HERE SMOHLGO!

        • I didn’t think about that. I need to take some time today and think about how my heedless words affect others.

          • Lacertilian

            Fine art is nothing to be scoffed at. We’ve been fortunate enough to be alive during the MS Paint renaissance-era on the FB group lately.

  • AlphaBetaFoxface

    Should have chosen the riff that plays roughly 3 minutes and 18 seconds into The Blackest Reaches. Easily the best riff on Deathless imo, and would have been better competition against that Emperor riff.

    • Lacertilian

      The Blackest Reaches was prob my least favourite song on that album, but I appreciated it being in there as a cool throwback to the sort of melodic thrash of the 80’s. Seems they had one of those type of songs on each of their albums too, although I found it interesting that one was written by Dan considering most of his other stuff is on the deathier-end of the spectrum, not to mention his work in Artificial Brain.
      And yes, that riff is a ripper. Something off United In Helotry, Apex, or Witch Trials would most likely have been my pick from that album.

      • AlphaBetaFoxface

        It was one of my favourites tbh, and I was never really a fan of 80’s thrash surprisingly. The solo and the build into the riff were practically flawless, and I can’t say all too many riffs over the course of the record have some form of pre-emptive riff structuring.

        That being said, Witch Trials has some insanely good riffing. I just felt this riff in particular best displayed not only fantastic melodic choices, but also the band’s cohesion at top form.

  • Tampaxon, Flusher Of Gods

    Why not this format on Saturdays, and ROTW on Sundays?

    http://i.imgur.com/c7NJRa2.gif

    • Because that would be a pain in the ass for me and I’m not going to do it.

      • Tampaxon, Flusher Of Gods

        Gotcha. BTW, curious if you got the article I sent about a week ago. Just making sure it didn’t get lost in the shuffle or whatnot.

  • Revocation are the vanilla ice cream of death metal and their riffs reflect that.

    • H8 U

    • Sometimes vanilla is preferred over Death by Chocolate Brownie Fudge Overload.

      If the ingredients are sparse but carefully chosen, the dish can be amazing.

      • Vanilla ice cream is actually very popular. So is Pop Country.

        • Emperor is a pop country band.

          • That’s all I got. I couldn’t follow all the traces of this food analogy

          • Just go with it.

          • They have a clean chorus in one song, which basically makes them pop country for teenagers
            -Death Metal Underground
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLrTnb5EPUA

          • Waynecro

            I love that song.

          • Oh, same. Top 2 for me.

          • Waynecro

            “An Elegy of Icaros” >>>>>>>

      • People shit on vanilla, but real honest to god vanilla instead of artifical flavoring makes a hell of a difference.

        • If we’re gonna get all literal, then hells yeah real vanilla is legit.

          • But in a more metaphorical sense, Revocation is not so close to real vanilla the way, say, Cannibal Corpse is.

      • James

        prog sucks. lololololol

    • Randall’s Sweaty Space Pants

      This band has always been overrated blandness and no amount of cutesy studio making of the album vids or 5 seconds of banjo is going to change the fact they are the Maroon 5 of modern metal.

      • There’s no doubt in my mind that the people ov the Toilet have a more underground taste in music than most metalheads out there, so if you’re trying to rally people against Revocation, you’re going to win in this particular venue.

        • I generally try to follow the “if you don’t have anything nice to say…” rule, but this little cub woke up on the wrong side of the bed.

          • I’m typically a “comment first, before brain can act” kind of person, but this morning I slept in til 11:25! Give me a world problem SMOHLG, and I’ll solve it for ya.

          • World problem??? Get trash out of our oceans and save the reefs!

          • Re: trash
            Let’s all take our respective dingies into the ocean and scoop the trash towards one circling eddy of water. Once it’s all in one convenient location, we hire Elon Musk to do something about it. If we all sign a petition, he’ll know it’s time to act and invent some cool new device.

            Re: reefs
            Has anybody tried making a floating “do not vandalize plz” sign? Didn’t think so.

          • Tampaxon, Flusher Of Gods

            Elon Musk’s too busy setting himself up to be the next Johnny Depp in Amber Heard’s money grab quagmire.

      • Tampaxon, Flusher Of Gods

        You just perfectly described Darkthrone outside of the banjo parts.

  • Ah, Revocation. Cursed with good enough but never blessed with greatness. I salute you, esusmoose, for having the guts to submit them. Even if it was a one-sided battle against something Emperor wrote.

  • I don’t even like that Emperor riff all that much but Richard Dawkins tells me it is objectively superior so … sorry Moose.

    • Abradolf Lincler

      youre welcome

      • Is your ‘ key broken?

        • Abradolf Lincler

          pfff pleb

  • Lacertilian

    This is tough, I like both these riffs and their descriptions. That Revocation riff is more memorable for me and plays a greater role in the song.
    Well done to both the Moose and the Bear.

    • more beer

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      • Lacertilian

        Yeah, I saw something about that. Manning Bar is a fucking mad venue, that is my birthday weekend so I’ll be doing other things. Got a couple of thrash gigs I’m looking at in December, haven’t been out to many lately.

  • Waynecro

    I didn’t have time to participate in the inaugural Riff or Raff. For that, I apologize. I assure you, my shame and regret are punishment enough. Anyway, instead of a submission, here’s a funny music video in which the guitar player’s solo apparently rocks so hard that it makes a car drive itself off a cliff (at about 2:32).
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aumyo47GuWQ

    • Abradolf Lincler

      those are some sexy azns

      • Waynecro

        Seeing that car go off the cliff for no reason cracks me up.

        • Tampaxon, Flusher Of Gods

          Seen Black Dynamite? There’s a scene where the car drives off the cliff and for no reason whatsoever, it explodes midair.

    • Tampaxon, Flusher Of Gods

      Fuck yeah! My weeb boner is indeed plump and juicy after watching this!

  • Welp. The Toilet is allowing me to vote twice. So. I am going to do that. (Plot twist: I’m voting Moose this time.)

  • Scrimm

    Not even a contest

    • Señor Jefe El Rosa

      I didn’t know you were that big of a Revocation fan!

      • Scrimm

        -_-

  • Lindaccrooks

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  • Hermione Granger

    i put on that emperor track when i am constipated, and at 2:28 its all taken care of.. that track works wonders everytime.