Let’s Talk About Proto-Djent

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Prog metal is my jam. Downtuned guitars are my jam. Ambient music is my jam. Bouncy riffs? Totally my jam. A variety of intense and pleasant vocal styles within the same track? THAT’S. MY. JAM. Put them all together, what do you get? DJENT… which is absolutely not my jam. But why not?

I have a similar ambivalence toward djenty metal that I do toward Skrillex-style “dubstep”. Both genres are partially defined by non-linear song structures, abrasive sounds, and disjointed rhythms (all of which I dig), but the ubiquitous, bland and predictable breakdowns/drops in each respective genre are cringey enough to keep my interest at a safe distance. Still, even though I don’t care for either style, it makes me pretty happy that any sort of weird, abrasive music is popular and, in the case of dubstep, actually a significant portion of current mainstream musical vocabulary.

Now, I could opine about why I like “chuggita-chuggitas” and “noodly-doodlies” more than “bwow-nows”, but really it’s just a matter of subjective taste. None of you give a fuck about why I like under-ripe bananas or dislike the “Red Delicious” cultivar of apples*, so why would you care what some dingbat who pretends to be a baby on the internet thinks about loud guitar sounds? I’m not gonna try to make you care. Instead, I’m going to assume there must be a few of you put there that share my skeptical admiration of the djent scene, and offer up some bands I consider “proto-djent” that you might actually dig. These are progressive metal bands that either predate or were at ground zero for The Djentening in the mid 2000’s and that, to my taste, are much more compelling than the scene they helped to spawn. As we trace the lineage of metal’s most onomatopoeic genre, let us ponder the following: “why is this shit dank, and why does that other shit stank?”.


MESHUGGAH

Although the elephant in the room can’t be completely ignored, the conversation about Meshuggah and djent has been done to death and I won’t waste your time rehashing it. I will instead take this chance to remind you that Meshuggah’s early material from the 90’s is distinct from what came after because it can be best described as progressive thrash. Midtempo and downtempo songs were an exception, not the rule. The stuttering, stupefyingly heavy riffs of Destroy Erase Improve were crafted in the context that metal is a fast and ferocious genre. This album is always going to sound timeless to me; two decades after its release, the breakdown in Future Breed Machine at 3:42 remains one of the heaviest things I’ve ever heard and probably ever will.


DEVIN TOWNSEND/STRAPPING YOUNG LAD

Yes, this is another well-known artist, and we have covered master Townsend plenty before. For the purposes of this article, I mainly want to point out that Devin Townsend was the first (and only?) artist to reach his level of popularity and cult following by combing industrial grooves with absolutely ripping, downtuned metal shredding. Djent has always had electronic influences surrounding its perimeter, and Devy’s penchant for putting electronic textures over the top of chunky grooves foretold of this future all the way back in 1997 with his first great work Ocean Machine: Biomech. If you only listen to one Strapping Young Lad song in your whole life, though, make it 2006’s Almost Again. It is as emotionally wrenching as it is rhythmically absract, and shows the full range of one of metal’s absolute greatest vocalists who also happens to kinda shred a guitar in half I guess.


TEXTURES

As far as my (probably wrong) knowledge goes, Textures were the first metalcore band to take Meshuggah riffs and up the ante both on their jazz-fusion polyrhythms and their spaced-out ambience, all the way back in 2003. Right down to the “Plurals” band name, Textures predicted a lot of tropes in rhythm-focused progressive metal. Sadly, they eventually succumbed to all of the most boring of those tropes after their first release, Polars, which remains among my favorite heavy albums of all time.

What makes Polars special? For one thing, it’s the only “djent” album I know of that has a straight-up thrash metal vocalist, and a fantastic one at that. I want Pieter Verpaalen to sing for basically every band. He has that perfect, classic rasp that’s intense, but not harsh.  All other singers Textures have had since him have been competent, featureless placeholders for a shoehorned human vocal precense to coincide with the riffs and noodly-doodlies. Also, like early Meshuggah, early Textures seemed to function foremost as a weird, but most importantly FAST, band. The speedy speedy death metal parts were the emotional crux of the song, whereas later material placed greatest emphasis on lame “pretty” parts and midtempo chugs. (Boo-urns.) Finally, this is the only album where Textures so deeply embraced their ambient influences; a full 18 minutes of the record is dedicated to ambient noise, which is pretty fucking bold for what is otherwise a tech-metal album aimed at pleasing guitar nerds.

I think a lot of modern djent aims for a middle ground in between heavy riffs and poppy melodies. I’m super into heavy/pretty jams (The Atlas Moth, Agalloch, etc.), but for me, Polars stands out among other progressive metal records because of how extreme it is, in all directions. At different points throughout the record it’s extremely fast,  extremely pretty, extremely technical, and extremely ambient. It’s captivating and fresh from note to note to note, and oh my word do I wish there was another record like it somewhere in the world.


SIKTH

I’ll be honest, this entire post was basically just an excuse for me to talk about two of my favorite prog bands – Textures and Sikth. Sikth were (are?) a megatechnical band with undeniable metalcore elements, but their obsession was on creating chaos, not obvious groove. Constantly intertwining guitar deedlies overlay one of the most dexterous rhythm sections of the 2000s to create one of the most compositionally dense listening experiences a guitar-based band can offer. I am told this band is a favorite of djent enthusiasts, but whereas I think djent is defined heavily by the space between notes, Sikth are a band with almost no space involved in any of their music. It is a constant, relentless cacophony, AKA THE DOPE SHIT. The exception, much like with Textures, are the occasional quiet tracks they do which are VERY spaced out, even uncomfortably so, as best exemplified by the nightmare vocal sonata Can’t We All Dream.

I guess I lied earlier when I said I wanted Pieter Verpaalen to sing for every band. Sikth wouldn’t be the alarmingly original group they are without the tag-team hyperscat stylings of Mikee Goodman and Justin Hill. I used to just tolerate Mikee’s deranged shrieks in order to hear the sick tech-shred of the instrumentalists it’s, but now it’s the most compelling aspect of the band to me as a listener.** Djent vocalists tend to collectively blend into an indiscernible, bland mess to me, whereas Sikth’s vocals might as well be from another goddamn planet. Oh my word, do these vocals give this band character. See, djent kids, experimentation is good! (Unless you’re Hacktivist. I could have gotten along just fine without djent-rap in my life.)


RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE

Lol jk.

But wait, actually… huh.


Well kiddos, what did we learn today? Apparently if you want HessianHunter to like your technical metalcore band, you better bring the weird, play fast, and have a very, very good vocalist or two. Modern djent often comes close to the mark, but misses by being juuuuuust a few hairs shy of my bwow-now tolerance threshold. If you have other suggestions of almost-djent bands you think the Toiletariat needs to snack on, let’s hear about ’em in the comments.

 

 *Ok srsly because fuck that tasteless chalky bullshit THAT’S WHY

**A little off topic, but something I can’t skim over completely: Sikth’s vocals are actually just very, very good nu-metal vocals. Mikee and Justin’s haunting warbles and bizarro screams have much more in common with Jonathan Davis than with James Hetfield or Dio, for instance. This band is FULL of goofy genres’ wasted potentials.

  • Mother Shabubu III

    Goddamn I love me some SikTh.

    • HessianHunter

      Discovered them because Luke Hoskin wore their shirt in a Protest The Hero music video.

      • Scrimm

        I didn’t hear them until the singer did that project with Adrian Smith. *shudders

        • Fobban Kalukopteri

          He did????

          • Scrimm
          • Fobban Kalukopteri

            Hm. Quite appealing, if not mind blowing.

          • Scrimm

            It’s really not that bad, at least most of it.

          • Fobban Kalukopteri

            I shall investigate. Although, needs moar guitarzz.

      • Mother Shabubu III

        Unrelated, but you heard the new Dunderbeist album “Hyklere”? Definitely sounds like something you’d recommend to us. It fuckin’ rules.

        • HessianHunter

          Never heard of it, I’ll listen later when I’m not on my phone at happy hour.

          • It’s 3pm you lush

          • HessianHunter

            I’ve been working since 7 AM, you bag o’ dicks

          • you… you… haven’t you met most of us??

          • Mother Shabubu III

            I just discovered it today and was blown away. Now I feel like it’s my duty to spam everyone I know about it lol.

      • Guacamole Jim

        I was actually put onto them by a pretentious hipster asshole at music college. He later turned out to be a weirdo Tumblr pedo predator, but SikTh is great.

  • Dagon

    Don’t kill me guys but I was never able to get into Meshuggah. I’ll try once again.

    • HessianHunter

      Their early material is thrashier, like I said. You may prefer it to the midtempo vibe of their more recent albums.

      • Scrimm

        This is very true. I have tried several times with no real success to get into them but Destroy Erase Improve and Contradictions Collapse are more enjoyable to me than later stuff.

      • Dagon

        This song was ok. Is it weird that I liked the melodic part with the clean guitar tone better than the rest of it?

        • HessianHunter

          If that heavy riff immediately following the clean part doesn’t do it for you, then I am forced to conclude Meshuggah is just not a band for you.

          • Dagon

            It was good, but nothing that rocked my world, you know? Still giving the other bands here a go.

          • Fobban Kalukopteri

            I’ve never really ‘felt’ Meshchuggah either. But last year I began to jam, like, three or four songs.

    • I tried. But I’ve failed. That band doesn’t get me good health (for realz)

    • Me neither, hail warrior

      • Dagon

        Not sure if you’ll like this but these dudes are from Charlotte and I’m jamming right now. Stoner riffs with a lot of punk influence.

        https://viajando.bandcamp.com/album/counting-days-ep

        • Great band! Used to be called Stone City, but apparently there was someone else using that name.

          Charlotte’s underground music scene is ruled by punk. Stoner metal is really popular now too

          • Dagon

            I don’t like the stoner tag but I have succumbed to it. Definitely one of the subgenres that click with me the most.

          • HessianHunter

            I am the only non-weed smoker in my “stoner” band. I’m such a poser. :'(

          • Dagon

            Is your “stoner” band Maeth or another project?

          • HessianHunter

            Yeah, I meant Maeth.

          • Lacertilian

            Only do edibles eh?

          • me too! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    • EsusMoose

      Catch 33>>>>>>

    • Guacamole Jim

      WHAT DID YOU SAY?

      I mean, your opinion is valid, but…
      WHAT DID YOU SAY???

      http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/442/109/fbf.gif

    • before you make such a claim, listen to either the None EP or Destroy Erase Improve. that’s when they piqued.

  • Scrimm

    Very nice article but nope nope nope nope and hell nope. Just not my thing.

  • YourLogicIsFlushed

    We like a lot of the same bands, but your favorite albums are always my least favorite. Every other Textures album > Polars.

  • Fobban Kalukopteri

    We Care A Lot.
    For I prefer the green apples, Granny Smith – from France.

    • George Clarke

      green apples >>>>> red apples

      this article has some sik riffs and also some sikth riffs that are pretty sik hmu ye

      • Stockhausen

        You’re right about the apples, and seaux dreamy, also about the apples.

    • YourLogicIsFlushed

      I also like my ‘naners a little green.

      • Fobban Kalukopteri

        I’m not a ‘naners man me’self.

        • KimJongUn’s Dingleberry Smoke

          French fried taters? Mmmmmmhmmmmmmmm!

      • Fucking. Heathen. Yellow bananas that are starting to turn the least bit brown are my feces. Come at me.

        • YourLogicIsFlushed

          Gross, get outta here with that mush food.

        • KimJongUn’s Dingleberry Smoke

          Brown is when you can make them into banana pudding though. Doing it with perfectly yellow bananas is going to end in disaster.

      • KimJongUn’s Dingleberry Smoke

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH5ay10RTGY

        Now if only we could set this to some Meshuggah.

  • CyberneticOrganism

    Excellent idea for an article, this articulates a lot of points I feel similarly about in regards to djent/industrial/low-tune etc but never really thought to try & explain on my own.

    http://www8.pcmag.com/media/images/397111-ballmer-gif.gif?thumb=y

  • No mention of Cynic? I’m pretty sure they’re a staple to the ambient side of djent https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zI8HDEhbT3M

  • frozengoatsheadupanunsarse

    Sikth are pretty unimpeachably fucking mighty. Love that sound of seeming on or over the edge of insanity most of the time but actually just being real tight.

  • Tyree

    Can’t get into this, but I respect your enthusiasm towards it. I’ll just leave this here.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkKdCuNwrn8

  • JWG

    We should all be wary of, and resistant to, Neighborhood Djentrification.

  • VVayne Brady

    Lest you doubt the Pumpkin Baby.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNRPWmS6VLk

    • …before they were djent doe (?)

      • VVayne Brady

        You like Periphery. You are unqualified to make any judgments regarding the Shuggs.

        • not a knock, broseph… i always considered CC to be a thrash album.

          • VVayne Brady

            I still love you, McNasty. I just disagree with you regarding the later discography of Meshuggah. Also, I hate Periphery. A ton.

          • i was jamming None through Nothing so hard as a younger detective, it’s difficult for me to appreciate the groovier stuff from Obzen and Koloss (though some fast songs they do possess).
            and i understand, everyone hates Periphery.

          • VVayne Brady

            Did you ever listen to Fredrik Thordendal’s Special Defects? It’s weird. Real weird.

          • oh man Special Defects >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

          • VVayne Brady

            You are welcome back in my arms.

          • Lacertilian

            I only found out about Sol Niger Within the other day and loved it.
            Whilst scouring a wikipedia article about Navene Koperweis’ band Fleshwrought, I saw he listed Mats/Morgan Band and checked them out and somehow ended up on Thordendal’s Special Defects page.
            Weird timing..everything is connected, we are all one, blah blah etc
            *makes hand gestures from Obzen and closes eyes*

          • CyberneticOrganism

            Have you seen any of his updates when he’s recording drums with Dirk & Mats for the follow-up? God I can’t wait for that album to be done, it’s gotta be better than Z2.

          • YourLogicIsFlushed

            Devin Towsend just tweeted how much he enjoyed the new Periphery album. I have Devin on my side. I win.

          • Guacamole Jim
          • KimJongUn’s Dingleberry Smoke

            Z2 ruled!!!! Not as much as the first Ziltoid, but a masterpiece nonetheless.

          • Guacamole Jim

            WRONG

          • KimJongUn’s Dingleberry Smoke
  • Stockhausen

    I never got super into Sikth or Textures, but when I finally checked them out awhile back I said “Huh. This is pretty solid,” as opposed to what I expected to say, which was “Huh. This isn’t pretty solid.”

  • Fobban Kalukopteri

    I am not a fan of djent or any of these bands. Sikth is not bad, but not sick(th) enough for me to play again.

    First good-ish Textures song I’ve heard though.

  • Dan Wolfson

    I actually did a little write up on Proto-Djent myself:

    DJENT

    The Precursors:

    So there were plenty of bands throughout the 90s and early 2000s that have been forgotten, broken up, or overlooked, which brought about the genre, in seemingly isolated situations.

    Djent came not just from Meshuggah directly, but moreso thrash and fusion style bands of the earely 90s, nu metal (sadly), and industrial metal bands.
    Meshuggah is obvious, their early stuff is heavily influenced by thrash metal bands like Coroner and Watchtower. They later added industrial elements. Other bands in the 90s include:

    Scarve, Fear Factory, Inquest, Dog Faced Gods, Grenouer, Fragment, Kobong (my personal favorite weirdo 90’s band from Russia) Coprofago (from Brazil) all had releases in the 90s, to reasonable acclaim (in their own scattered and isolated scenes) and were partly responsible for the genre to take form. Each band drew influence from fusion, thrash, and industrial music in differing amounts, but there is something that kind of meshes them together into the same realm at this point. Later on each band would either evolve into something else entirely or break up.

    Then came bands in the early 2000s like Sikth (their first EP was in 2002), Synthetic Breed,
    A Life Once Lost, Mnemic, Ion DIssonance, Canvas Solaris, Textures, Devolved, Sybreed, and Tony Danza Tapdance Extravaganza. The term “djent” had been loosely thrown around on online forums, but these bands still don’t quite capture the sound we know today. Mathcore was becoming more popular, and many bands branched out into different territory. Danza is notably not a djent band (IIII is close) but they definitely were part of the scene in the mid 2000s. Detuned guitars and 7 strings were becoming more and more commonly used.

    In the later 2000s djent had turned into a movement of bedroom guitarists with drum machines and Meshuggah worship galore, with added melodic elements reminiscent of aforementioned bands, albeit with less thrash and industrial influence and a more sleek, modern sound. More bands started using 7 and 8 string guitars. The forum Sevenstring.org was hugely successful and had a thriving community.

    Haunted Shores, Circle of Contempt, After the Burial, Architects, SikTh, Veil of Maya, Fellsilent, Born of Osiris, Keith Merrow, Cyclamen, Uneven Structure, Benea Reach, Seven, The Arusha Accord, The Handshake Murders, TesseracT, Animals as Leaders, Vildhjarta, Monuments, Chimp Spanner, Volumes, Structures, The Korea, The Contortionist, Nociceptor, and tons of other bands combined the mathy, industrial stylings of Meshuggah with metalcore and melody. Along with the rising popularity of guitarist Bulb and the internet’s newfound obsession with the word “djent”, this style was getting more and more recognition. Periphery, perhaps, became the most popular djent band of its kind and popularized the term further.

    Fast forward to now: Djent is a recognizable genre (arguable by those who prefer to argue about categorization than actually realizing that genre names are colloquial and come along with the culture associated with it, therefore Rock is just as ridiculous as Djent in terms of naming styles of music) and there are COUNTLESS musicians who claim to play it.

    And so, that concludes my brief history of djent music.

    • Dagon

      I completely agree with the Rock-Djent comparison. Genre names are completely arbitrary and people should just take a chill pill and not get all pissy about them.

    • KimJongUn’s Dingleberry Smoke

      Scarve is FUCKING AMAZING! Haven’t heard them in quite a while though.

    • Ah, I’ve been looking for this comment.
      Dan, in your estimation, how many of those djent bands you named are good?

      • Dan Wolfson

        Well, that’s subjective, Gurpdown!

        • I think “better than Volumes” is a good start.

  • Guacamole Jim

    SiKth are so fucking good. Meshuggah are better (in my small, humble, chip dip opinion, Meshuggah are the pinnacle of metal [BRING ON THE HATE]). Strapping Young Lad are awesome. Rage Against the Machine are awesome. Textures…. eh.

    I would argue that Mnemic were one of the first bands (first album: 2002) to take all these influences and combine them into what would later become djent. They’re still one of my favourite bands of all time, too. They came along at a perfect time, as my tastes began to refine from “I WANT BR00TAL SHIT” to “I think I like all kinds of music as long as it’s musical.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6mP1w2T5-4

    • VVayne Brady

      I shall support your support of Meshuggah, my friend. Maybe not the pinnacle, but still my favorite metal band.

      • Guacamole Jim

        The information and views set out in this comment are those of the author(s) and do not necessarily reflect the official opinion of the Toilet ov Hell. Neither the Toilet ov Hell institutions and bodies nor any person acting on their behalf may be held responsible for the use which may be made of the information contained therein.

    • JWG

      I got the last Mnemic album. Enjoyed it a lot.

      Set out to find the older ones, but couldn’t find anywhere with physical copies that wouldn’t cost an arm and a leg. And import being even worse this year since Border Services adds even more fees than they did before January 1st, I have even less incentive than ever before not to just buy Canadian and hope to find things that way.

      • Guacamole Jim

        In my opinion, Mnemesis is the weakest album of their entire career. I believe, if you’re down with it, all the albums are on iTunes. I was able to find all their albums at HMV though (granted, I did eagerly buy them the day they came out, so I’m not sure if they’re still being produced).

        • JWG

          Yeah, that was where I found Mnemesis, but they hadn’t stocked the earlier ones in ages and had no copies left to special-order.

          Speaking of which, have you noticed that HMV.ca got a complete GUI overhaul some time in the last few months? It looks okay, but I can’t get it to work as anything buy an online “flyer”.

          The formerly-operational catalogue Search feature in particular appears to be completely broken. I guess we’re just supposed to buy what the front page tells us to buy.

          • Guacamole Jim

            Huh. I never noticed that, but I don’t know the last time I actually visited HMV’s site. I do all my music purchasing via preorder, iTunes, or Bandcamp these days. I’m just about entirely digital, and going to HMV to find digital files (though I’m sure you can do so) didn’t occur to me.

    • EsusMoose

      Meshuggah has some of coolest metal albums. I don’t listen to them too often though.

      • KimJongUn’s Dingleberry Smoke

        Good live show too. Saw them with Cynic years ago (and the funny story of a guy jumping off my shoulders into the audience and landing on his face). My best friend and I got plenty stoned right beforehand, which made it even more enjoyable!

    • CyberneticOrganism

      Came in here to mention Mnemic. Well done.

  • Paris Hilton

    Textures latest album was incredible! There’s also an old vid of them pretending to play T-Swift that makes me laugh. I also agree with the Djent-Dubstep bit. The 2 genres, though inarguably different, do share striking similarities. Sometimes heavy ass bass drops sound like electronic versions of heavy, complicated riffs. It’s a good compromise genre to play around plebs cuz it goes fucking hard, yet is somewhat socially acceptable around casuals! Of course, I could be wrong about all of this. But that’s just, like, my opinion man.

    • HessianHunter

      No seriously, modern dubstep is really abrasive shit, and I am genuinely surprised and happy that such intense music is so popular with normies.

    • Oddly enough, Animals As Leaders’ first drummer Navene Koperweis started his own electronic music solo project, and his first EP had some pretty dubstep heavy tracks.

      https://navenek.bandcamp.com/track/life-extraction

      • Paris Hilton

        Dude! This is heavy! I’d imagine the writing process of a complex, heavy electronic tune with various beats, signatures and drops would be somewhat similiar to a metal tune of the same nature. Which is why you see so many metal artists doing EDM/dubstep side projects

        • I actually hadn’t heard of any of those. If they’re as good as Navene K’s stuff, though, I would definitely listen to that.

  • I like how you can sync up Meshugga with random videos and get entertaining results.
    http://youtu.be/FWHaHTAEeVQ

    • Dude..

      That video goes with anything:

      Una vaina loooca (8)

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPBmNNWvUiQ

    • also:

      this one>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpvkzLjsyM8

      • Link’s links >>>>
        You should start a sausage company and name it that.

        • sausages?

          Sausages filled with cheese and bacon to make some great hot dogs!

          • KimJongUn’s Dingleberry Smoke

            Sausages filled with cheese and bacon?!? You, my friend, are the modern day Nikolai Tesla! Fuck my arteries, I want that in my belly NOW!

    • VVayne Brady

      #Realtalk. Arab dudes freaking love JCVD.

      • That should shock me but somehow it doesn’t.

      • KimJongUn’s Dingleberry Smoke

        The movie JCVD is actually really good, and Van Dam actually does some decent acting in it. Even Roger Ebert gave it a thumbs up.

        • Further Down the Metal Hole

          That monologue…

    • Scrimm

      That’s hilarious but NOTHING beats this for Van Damme https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHJ0v4RPfEs

      • Dagon

        This video is from a Brazilian TV show!! It’s one of the crappiest McCrappy shitfests I’ve ever seen on TV these days.

        Back when I was 8, though, it rocked because it had “Banheira do Gugu”. That was sexually formative for a lot of kids my age. It was a game where the show’s guests would be split boys vs. girls and compete to see who could get more soap bars located on the bottom of a bathtub.

        NSFW

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eC3ao8DohB8

        • Scrimm

          That sounds quite entertaining.

          • Dagon

            Brazil was fresh outta military government and censorship so the 90s saw the “ASSification” of our culture. Everything revolved around sexual innuendo and butts.

            Further evidence:
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naIx7l8_x9w

          • Scrimm

            Lolbuttz and boners>>>>> this is great.

          • Maik Beninton

            It goes on to this day with Big Brother Brazil but it’s boring.

          • Maik Beninton

            I always find today’s funk absolute crap but then I remember things like ”eguinha potocó” and I realize it have always been total lolbuttz

          • Dagon

            Mc Tati Zaqui is real though. Watch it on mute.

          • KimJongUn’s Dingleberry Smoke

            As God/Flying Spaghetti Monster intended the world to be!

          • CyberneticOrganism

            This is a bad thing how?

        • Maik Beninton

          Holy crap I totally slept on this.

        • KimJongUn’s Dingleberry Smoke

          I remember getting a boner watching Xuxa as an early teen when her show played here in America.

          #BonerConfidential

      • Holy shit, that’s great!

        • Scrimm

          Yeah. Thanks for reminding me of that I had forgot all about it.

    • saw this movie for the first time a month ago.
      #ToiletConfessions

      • I’m upvoting you on this based on the confession and not on your movie choice.

        • i edited my comment. at the time i was a lil’ disappointed but everytime i see a clip or someone talks about it, i can’t help but smile

    • KimJongUn’s Dingleberry Smoke

      Damn you, I was waiting to use a gif of this down the line! *walks away in defeat*

  • Hessian do you like torrential downpour?

    • HessianHunter

      Very much! I wrote about them over the summer because Maeth played with them at St. Vitus.

      • They are one of my favorites and I know dubya loves them too

  • ChuggaChuggaDeedleyDoo

    Fear Factory??? Anyone???

    • flush

      • Scrimm

        You just made me sad.

      • Secondary flush

        • Guacamole Jim

          Thrice flushed.

        • Scrimm

          Damn you. Now I’m glad I traded all my tech death cds

          • Nah you didn’t lol

          • Scrimm

            Yeah I did because no job.

          • That’s rough, sorry to hear that.

          • Scrimm

            It’ll turn around eventually, But yeah over 200 cds gone.

          • VVayne Brady

            I’ve really been hoping things get better for you.

          • Scrimm

            Actually just knowing that has helped man. For real.

          • VVayne Brady

            I wish our Toilet network could help somehow, but there are only a few of y’all in Arizona.

          • Scrimm

            I have faith it will work out. In a lot of ways it was stupid for me to leave my job like I did, but things got so bad so fast it was like I was getting sign after sign to get the hell out of there before my whole life got fucked up. I had plenty of money to look for over a year, but didn’t foresee medical issues and then just financial bombs one right after another. The worst is my guitar though.

          • If you need someone to look over/design a resume for you, let me know, srs.

          • Scrimm

            That could be a possibility, I can never make one that looks good to me. If I need it I will. Thank you very much.

          • No problem at all. I’m a graphic designer so it’s what I do.

          • Scrimm, I can also look over a resume as well. In engineering we always say keep it to one page. I can provide you with my resume too if you are interested in looking at a different format. I can be reached at george.lynch.toilet@gmail.com. Let me know!

            GL

          • Scrimm

            I will do that man. Thanks!

          • KimJongUn’s Dingleberry Smoke

            And there’s also lying your ass off on your resume, as long as it’s believable and you cover your tracks. :-p

          • Scrimm

            Not very good at that.

          • KimJongUn’s Dingleberry Smoke

            Same. Hopefully it’s just a short and temporary rough patch for ya.

          • Scrimm

            I’m sure it is. And it’s not like I have nothing good going on at all. Got our album almost done finally, A lot of writing I really need to get back on and try to get out there. OH AND YOU GUYS.

          • KimJongUn’s Dingleberry Smoke
          • Dude let me know if you want me to dropbox you some music. I’ve been in that situation before and I know it sucks.

          • I dropped some music in your mom’s box.

            -Mr. Bojangles

          • Lol

          • Scrimm

            Thanks man I will. I’ve got most of the music, but losing A collection I spent so much time building is harder than I realized.

          • At the time it happened to me I didn’t have many cds but my massive dvd collection had to go. You don’t realize how much you cherish things like that till they are gone.

          • Scrimm

            Most of my dvds went too. I’m holding on to my books as long as I can, they are my most prized possessions.

          • I imagine you can’t get much for books anyway. I’d say keep them.

          • Scrimm

            I may not have a choice. Most aren’t worth much, but I have some rarities that are worth hundreds.

          • Damn

          • Scrimm

            Yeah some are surprising.

          • KimJongUn’s Dingleberry Smoke

            Been there. I lost fuckloads of signed CDs and collectables thanks to my lich-cunt of an ex ages ago. Some of it’s replaced, the signed stuff though is but a memory, sadly.

          • Scrimm

            Exes are the most destructive force on the planet.

          • KimJongUn’s Dingleberry Smoke

            Yep! 4 years of living a fucking Sam Kinison skit with her!

          • *sends dropbox invite to Van Halen discography

          • * lols at Van Halen discography

          • Scrimm

            LOL I knew that was coming.

          • KimJongUn’s Dingleberry Smoke

            Damn, that’s a definite bummer.

          • VVayne Brady

            I’m with you. Demanufacture is great.

            Edit: Demanufacture, not Deconstruction. I need a nap.

      • Eddie Trunk Jr., Floor Tech

        Jimmy plz!

    • HessianHunter

      My older brother was a big fan, I honestly know very little about them, but I do know they influenced Djent the same way Devin Townsend did.

    • Scrimm

      ME!

    • frozengoatsheadupanunsarse

      Demanufacture still goes pretty hard.

      • Scrimm

        That it does. I love Obsolete and Mechanize too.

        • frozengoatsheadupanunsarse

          Those are good ‘uns too.

        • Obsolete was on regular rotation when I was a young ‘un.

          • Scrimm

            It came out the day before I left for basic training and was the first thing I listened to when I was able to play music again. Good memories.

      • ChuggaChuggaDeedleyDoo

        I should have specified that I only recognize the validity of this band up to, and through the album Obsolete. Anything they did after that was “meh”

    • Eddie Trunk Jr., Floor Tech

      I love them! I’m excited for the new album!

    • KimJongUn’s Dingleberry Smoke

      I liked Soul Of A New Machine when I was a little squirt. After that, nah. Sybreed took FF’s formula and completely spanked their asses with it, IMHO.

    • Not sure if they’re djent but Soul of A New Machine is a great album. The rest is all dookie.

  • Tyree

    I like grindy sounding Meshuggah; It’s only in one song though. Fucking blasting high octane shit here.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1vvayRpcEU

    • VVayne Brady

      Honestly, I wish they explored this sound a little more, although The Demon’s Name Is Surveillance from their latest was pretty high octane.

    • Tyree

      Fucking Rotten Sound even covered it.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtIzctherZc

      • CyberneticOrganism

        Jesus fuck yes

      • Kai <3 That first drumming barrage was very intense and well executed. That dude is a beast.

  • BASEDBEARD

    I was taught that if you don’t have anything nice to say, then don’t say anything at all. So, I’ll just show you this picture

  • KimJongUn’s Dingleberry Smoke
  • Dan Wolfson

    BAKED BEANS UPON YOUR PLATE

  • KJM
    • FeelTheDarknessness

      I can’t wait until March 10th when they release the Anniversary edition of Defenders.

  • KJM
  • Max

    This is my first time ever listening to Textures. There’s no question that they have playing chops and the song isn’t bad. But seriously – that song is a blatant, blatant rip-off of “Beneath” from Destroy Erase Improve. It really is.

    Also – and I’d apply this as much to Sikth as I would to Textures – what is it about metalcore, djent, and nu-metal that their vocalists so often sound like the victim rather than the perpetrator?

    But yes, good article.

  • CyberneticOrganism

    I know it’s been said a million times (or has it?), but Meshuggah are not djent any more than Sabbath are doom. Each label was created after that band was already established in its style.

    Drives me nuts when I see comments on YouTube like “0mG meshnuggaH = tEh bestest DjEnt!!1”

    • Lacertilian

      gotta program Skynet to automatically respond to those comments with your Meshuggah/Sabbath analogy/dis-analogy.

      • CyberneticOrganism

        Affirmative

  • Further Down the Metal Hole

    Looking forward to going through all of these.