It’s Kvlt Outside: Combating Christmas Music No. 4

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Today I’m not going to complain about Christmastime.

Just kidding. I totally am. But first I want to share something from my past with you.

SantaYes, this is a real picture of young Masterlord.

I know what you’re thinking. “He looks so happy. What the hell happened to him between then and now that made him hate Christmas so much?”

Well, for one, my brain has almost fully developed since then. That, coupled with an impressive collection of psychiatric diagnoses, has wrought a change in me. Now for some reason I can’t stand having plastic happiness repeatedly crammed down my esophagus by the seasonal beast with a thousand thrusting arms.

It’s the same every year. December rolls around and slobbering parents disregard any trace of decency in order to score the year’s hottest products for their gross, awful kids who don’t deserve them nearly as much as they deserve to be locked in a lightless pantry for a week or two subsisting on spiderwebs and dead bugs. Which may not be half bad, considering that the only thing they’d be doing otherwise is sitting similarly motionless in front of the TV and watching endless variants of the same Christmas-themed car commercials that have been running every year since 1994. The car in the front is red so it’s Rudolph; we get it. Now fucking fuck off. I’m still not buying a Buick and I’m trying to watch Cutthroat Kitchen. Only I can’t because it’s a Christmas special and all the cooks are wearing elf hats. So I decide to go have a stroll outside, but I can’t do that either because the neighbors have coordinated their amateur light show with fucking “Little Drummer Boy” at 150 decibels.

We do what we can to balance out the scales, but combat-boot-kicking the heads off of children’s snowmen and setting fire to ironic Christmas sweaters while their owners still pose within can only accomplish so much, especially when our enemy has access to an incalculable number of outlets through which to spread its audial assault (essentially every speaker in the country). As a relatively small group of smelly nerds, we can’t hope to compete with the sheer quantity of joyous shitsongs being pumped out into the world, so we have to match it with potency. This column is our attempt to fight back with black metal.

Last week it occurred to me that there may be some of you who want to destroy Christmas music with the dark powers of the blackest metal, but just can’t bring yourself to listen to “that tuneless static” or whatever you call it. This is totally understandable; in another life I too may have been a huge poser. That is why this week we’re going to focus on melodic black metal. Which means lots of blue album covers.

 

I: SACRAMENTUM — FAR AWAY FROM THE SUN (1996)

Sacramentum

Released in 1996 — three years after The Somberlain spearheaded the genre — Far Away from the Sun (and Sacramentum in general) never made it out from under Dissection’s looming shadow and was mostly forgotten. That ain’t right. I worship Dissection as much as the next frosty bastard, but I’ll be the first to say that Far Away from the Sun is every bit as good as Storm of the Light’s Bane. If that’s a hard pill to swallow, just listen to the album, you wiener. Let the cold melody force it down your throat for you.

I slept in hypnotic and hysterious sleep
I could see and hear through the night
I had burning candles inside my eyes
I could smell the purity of innocent blood

Sacramentum — Far Away from the Sun | 1996

 

II: UNANIMATED — IN THE FOREST OF THE DREAMING DEAD (1993)

Unanimated

Heavy on the groove and arguably way more death metal than black metal, the chilling atmosphere of the tremolos and the consonance of wistful melody blacken things up enough for me to rationalize their inclusion here. Plus, you all like death metal anyways, right? Unanimated rules either way. In the Forest of the Dreaming Dead is bipolar as hell; its lively riffing and melancholy atmosphere pull by the eyelids in completely opposite directions, leaving your confused remains somewhere in between a major depressive episode and total party.

Through the gloomy night
The silent shadows
Reach out in the cold
And tear the dawn away

Unanimated — In the Forest of the Dreaming Dead  | 1993

 

III: LORD BELIAL — ENTER THE MOONLIGHT GATE (1997)

Lord Belial

Drawing from Emperor’s In the Nightside Eclipse for inspiration is never, ever a bad idea. Write that down 100 times and eat the paper. Then write it down again and put it on your fridge. Lord Belial probably did, and if Enter the Moonlight Gate is any indication, it worked out for them. The melodies soar and dive, and every riff is an icicle tapered to a point and driven through the fat heart of The Christmas Spirit. By the time you finish listening to “Realm of a Thousand Burning Souls (Part I),” The Christmas Spirit will have been impaled by, like, tons of icicles. So do it!

I will open up the skies
Tear all the angels wings and laugh as they die
There will rain tears and blood from the heavenly paradise
We will prevail
In this moon-filled air
Die!

Lord Belial  Enter the Moonlight Gate | 1997

 

IV: THULCANDRA — UNDER A FROZEN SUN (2011)

Thulcandra

For all of you who, for reasons unbeknownst to myself, have somehow fallen in love with technical death metal — this one is for you. No, not because Thulcandra is technical death metal, but because it’s Mr. Steffen Kummerer of Obscura doing his best Dissection impression; and it’s some damn convincing mimicry. So convincing, in fact, that it begs the question: when does worship become plagiarism? It’s a question for another time (maybe a Think Tank?), but you’re not going to hear this guy complain about more music that sounds like Dissection. With Jon Nödtveidt having taken his life in 2006, Dissection is no more; I consider Thulcandra’s work a welcome tribute.

Under a frozen sun, pain’s obscure ballet
A litany sighs endlessly

Thulcandra — Under a Frozen Sun | 2011


 

Do you think my head was huge when I was a kid? That’s fucked up. Do you like the color blue? Does anybody want to do a guest entry next week? I’d be cool with that.
Previous editions of Combating Christmas music: I, II, III

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  • BLVKKBEVRD’S WVNDERLVST

    That Thulcandra album is soooo good. Might have to break out the external HDs so I can blast that later. Also, you should totally buy a buick for christmas. Just make that an ’86 regal.

    • Edward #negrod4eva

      I, too, have an external HD buried somewhere and filled with music.

      • BLVKKBEVRD’S WVNDERLVST

        We have 3 2TB harddrives filled with music. Everyone can hate me now.

        • Edward #negrod4eva

          Mine is an old 160GB and it’s filled with mostly rap IIRC.

          • BLVKKBEVRD’S WVNDERLVST

            I’m sure there’s stuff on those HDs that are so kvlt that it could bring my trve cred up but its probably garbage.

          • Edward #negrod4eva

            If it involves your trve cred it must be unearthed.

          • BLVKKBEVRD’S WVNDERLVST

            my 2010-2012 was all obscure stoner/sludge/doom. I dont know if that increases my trve cred.

          • Edward #negrod4eva

            Hint: it does.

          • BLVKKBEVRD’S WVNDERLVST

            Then I miss Ava Inferi something terribad 🙁

      • MoshOff

        I have a 2 TB hard drive with about 600 GB of lossless music.
        I also have a problem.

  • Howard Dean

    For reals, Cutthroat Kitchen is the shit.

  • Justin Nowlin

    Emperor’s “In the Nightside Eclipse” in my opinion is the best black metal album of all time. Out of the four albums listed Lord Belial’s was the one I enjoyed the most.

    • Hey, In the Nightside Eclipse is my favorite black metal album too. High five!

      • BLVKKBEVRD’S WVNDERLVST

        This new avatar >>>>>>>>>>.

        • This is actually a recoloring of the very first Masterlord, before you and your beard arrived.

          • BLVKKBEVRD’S WVNDERLVST

            Well, it looks sweet. I bet it was a rare drop. The stats probably rock on it.

          • Guacamole Jim

            +10 mastery hurhurhurhurhur

          • BLVKKBEVRD’S WVNDERLVST

            And it has an aura!

      • VVorld Peace

        I’m more of a Prometheus man myself.

        • Howard Dean

          I hold ItNE and Anthems… in approximately the same regard. Anthems… was majestic as fuck. Prometheus and Equilibrium are a distant 3/4 for me.

      • Justin Nowlin

        High five my friend! m/

    • Howard Dean

      INNO … AHHH …SATANAAAAAAAAA!!

      • Justin Nowlin

        I need to see them live. Ihsahn needs to make it happen. My girlfriend just bought me an “In the Nightside Eclipse” and a Bathory Self-titled shirt from hot topic. I’ve been wearing them religiously.

        • Nordling Rites Ov Karhu

          They were magnificient. And the Bathory tribute before INNOAAASAAATAAANAAA warmed my figurative heart.

          • Justin Nowlin

            Ihsahn is a genius. I am also glad they got rid of the corpse paint.

          • Nordling Rites Ov Karhu

            I’ve nothing against a corpsepaint, have wore one me’self

          • BLVKKBEVRD’S WVNDERLVST

            *scrambles to find an image of a bear with corpsepaint*

          • Nordling Rites Ov Karhu

            Haha
            I haven’t performed under me real name, I doubt you’d find one.

          • Justin Nowlin

            I like it too, but I feel like it’s something that should be kept in the 1980’s/1990’s. Only King Diamond should wear it at this point.

          • Nordling Rites Ov Karhu

            *Shrugs, put on corpsepaint for Horna show*

        • BLVKKBEVRD’S WVNDERLVST

          Do I have to stop listening to Emperor and Ihsahn now that you can buy their shirts at hot topic?

          • Justin Nowlin

            No, I think it’s a good thing. It means younger people like myself listen to them. An album like that deserves to be listened to. People have asked me about the shirt, I hope it will make people give it a try.

          • BLVKKBEVRD’S WVNDERLVST

            Touche, young guns.

          • Justin Nowlin

            Hot topic actually has some pretty cool shirts on their website, bands like Bathory, Emperor, Watain, Dark Throne, Mayhem, etc. But they also do have bands like KING 810, FFDP, A7X, etc. that hurt them.

        • Howard Dean

          It appears that Ihsahn and co. are now only interested in large one-offs, like the one they did at Hellfest this year. Touring probably not likely.

          I presume you live in the U.S. The best chance you’ll likely get is if they agree to play Maryland Deathfest some year.

          • Justin Nowlin

            I’m a west coast guy. I’m about an hour and a half from San Francisco. We don’t have any good festivals like that.

          • Nordling Rites Ov Karhu

            Emperor is supposedly, again, done for now Ain’t they? I don’t suppose there are currently any more dates coming as we speak..

          • Howard Dean

            They were supposed to be done for good. But they played Hellfest this year. There are no more dates currently. I can see them choosing to do a large festival again. Huge payoff without the rigors of touring.

          • Nordling Rites Ov Karhu

            Yes, I can see them doing some festivus/val gigs. Ihsahn is going for solo tour and album so I figure there won’t be anything before your election as the head of the “Free” World.

          • Howard Dean

            I like Emperor; Ihsahn’s solo stuff bores me to tears. *sigh* It’s a tough world sometimes.

          • BLVKKBEVRD’S WVNDERLVST

            This is the second time in as many days where i have to *flush* you Howard

          • If Howard spirals down the drain, then I spiral down the drain with him!

            Because I also can’t get into Ihsahn’s solo music.

          • BLVKKBEVRD’S WVNDERLVST

            I take back what I said about your sweet new helm, and we should have never given you the raid tokens for the loot!

          • Howard Dean

            SOLIDARITY MOTHERFLUSHERS!

          • we’re three now. *flush Ihsanhn solo CD’s with his Dolce&Gabanna suits* T_T

          • Howard Dean

            Most of Ihsahn’s solo work is painfully boring prog/avant-garde metal rife with noodling, saxophones, and weirdness for the sake of weirdness. It’s like he decided he wanted to become modern day Sigh, but without the interesting black metal parts.

          • BLVKKBEVRD’S WVNDERLVST

            Man, I’d even say its not prog/avant garde anymore. Its more like a post band now. Which is good, for me, anyways

          • Nordling Rites Ov Karhu

            I like his solo debut mostly, other than that it’s a little (big) hit or miss.

          • BLVKKBEVRD’S WVNDERLVST

            Das Seelenbrechen was the only solo Ihsahn album that had trve whiffs on it, imo.

          • Nordling Rites Ov Karhu

            Haven’t fully listened to it.

          • Justin Nowlin

            Apparently Matt Heafy from Trivium is a huge Emperor fan and he has a black metal project that he’s been working on. The producer of this project is Ihsahn. I’m very intrigued because I feel like it has the potential to be either very good or quite bad.

          • MoshOff

            I was there!! To say that it was pretty rad is kind of an understatement.

  • This Unanimated track is excellent.

    • Guacamole Jim

      Whoa.. you have a picture now!

      • BLVKKBEVRD’S WVNDERLVST

        *makes sexist remark*

        • Guacamole Jim

          I don’t quite know where to go from here.

          • BLVKKBEVRD’S WVNDERLVST

            Awww, read my edit Glock.

          • Edward #negrod4eva

            Your use of “Glock” here >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

  • Nordling Rites Ov Karhu

    Masterlord, having lost his Steeldragon, throne and glory, seems to have a fixation dissecting stuff as everything here is worshipping the ground Nödtveidt walked before his incarceration. It’s all good, but there is so much more good meloblack out there without Nödtveidt worship, like Dimmu Borgir (okay, not srs, but srs)

    • More like Dimmu Boring-ir.

      • Nordling Rites Ov Karhu

        (I edited it, though it should have been apparent I wasn’t being serious)
        Emphasis on the opening lines.

    • Gvrp

      But do they have blue album covers?

      • Nordling Rites Ov Karhu

        Stormblåst is blue-ish?

        • Gvrp

          BLUE ENOUGH!

  • GL

    Friday Rant/Questions Ov The Day:

    Why is the entire country fixated on this “torture” report? We have people on all sides blaming the other that things either went too far and were not successful or people who say the methods did not cross a moral line and were successful in procuring information. What are your thoughts?

    Personally, I like to think that although the methods/processes did seem extreme, that even in scenarios where “torture” was used and did not result in direct obtained intelligence, that the threat of future “torture” helped produce information. The psychological effect of worrying about future “extreme” interrogation events during interogation that was “less extreme” seems like an effective way of producing intelligence. Even though the information would have technically been obtained during “less extreme” interrogation, it seems as though the more “extreme” interrogation techniques would be an indirect benefit.

    Thoughts?

    GL

    • BLVKKBEVRD’S WVNDERLVST

      First thoughts: we just tested a working laser weapon on a ship.

      #GETLAZRD

    • Nordling Rites Ov Karhu

      Wait… it’s Friday?
      Also, What is this even about.
      Without knowing anything I say: Torture ain’t ever acceptable, it’s not about getting info, it’s about depriving someone of their human rights.

    • KJM

      One word: NOPE, and that’s all I got to say about that.

    • You’re essentially asking “do the means justify the ends”. That is an ethical question that every man must answer for himself.

      • KJM

        If you threaten to drown or castrate me and I think you’re for real, I’m gonna tell you whatever you want to hear to stop the pain regardless of if it’s true or not.

        • BLVKKBEVRD’S WVNDERLVST

          This is true. Torture is not a legitimate means of extracting information

        • VVorld Peace

          Ethics excluded, I think that’s the chief concern with using torture at all. Is the information even reliable?

          However, we should never exclude ethics.

          • KJM

            No we shouldn’t. We’re supposed to be showing the world that we’re better than “them”. Employing torture shows the exact opposite.

            Nuremberg Trials: there’s something no one seems to give a shit about anymore.

          • Nordling Rites Ov Karhu

            It was for show then, it is for show now. Hypocrisy, pretending, lies. Have no faith, there is no reason to have any.

          • VVorld Peace

            I’m with you. I’m a pacifist, btw.

          • KJM

            Me too, pretty much.

          • GL

            Pacifism is a great idea. In my opinion, it is not practical. Although impractical, that doesn’t mean I wish it wasn’t possible.

            GL

          • Guacamole Jim

            Damn. Just when I thought my respect for you couldn’t grow any more…

          • VVorld Peace

            The thing is, based on my personal belief system, I tend towards a deontological view of people’s value and believe humans have intrinsic worth and should never be merely treated as a means to an end. Sometimes we have to make extremely difficult decisions, but justification is a very slippery slope, and I’m not into torture.

          • Guacamole Jim

            So you’re a Kantian? (sorry if my analysis is off – I’ve read very little Kant.) I’m 100% with you that people should never be treated as a means to an end. I’m not a moral relativist, so I can’t bring myself to balance out “the greater good” on a scale, especially not one that deals with human lives, torture, or really the dehumanization of another human being.

          • VVorld Peace

            I don’t know that I’d call myself Kantian per se. I tend to hold a blend of Aristotelian ethics and deontological ethics with some utilitarian views thrown in for my profession.

          • Guacamole Jim

            Utilitarian views thrown in for your profession? So, in working with traffic, you have to balance out what would be the best for everyone in the long run, even if it can mean short-term inconveniences?

          • VVorld Peace

            Sort of. Think of road construction. Really inconvenient for people in the short term, but better in the long term.

            Also, I’m presenting a paper in DC in January about the ethical implications of autonomous vehicles. If they have to make crash decisions, utilitarianism might be the most viable to reduce net fatalities.

          • Guacamole Jim

            Dude, that would be a really interesting paper to read. It’s funny to me that since the golden age of science fiction the idea of robots making ethical decisions has been around, but in our generation we’re actually beginning to see it become reality, and in a way we have a lot of the philosophical groundwork already laid out.

          • VVorld Peace

            We do indeed, but man, there’s a lot of ground to cover. We (traffic engineers) all agree that AVs will have a net safety benefit, but there is a lot to work through before we reach full implementation.

            I’ll message you the paper on Facebook

          • Guacamole Jim

            Sweet. I look forward to that!! Thanks man.

          • Howard Dean
          • Guacamole Jim

            Never. This is one of my main problems with the undermining of philosophy in the public opinion. Our society (maybe this is more of an Alberta thing, but it feels like a North American thing) undervalues philosophy, and views it as being useless and impractical. And yet all of our current crisis are philosophical issues! How are we supposed to be able to properly address the ethics of this situation if we have no philosophical groundwork?

          • BLVKKBEVRD’S WVNDERLVST

            We do have a philosophical groundwork, the issue is that our philosophy is a bastardized, twisted one.

          • Howard Dean

            Disclaimer: I have no government, military, or personal torture experience, so I can’t say whether this is how it’s done or not.

            THIS STATEMENT IS BEING MADE WITH ETHICS EXCLUDED: I’ve got to imagine the trick with torture is to leave it open ended. Instead of grilling a person and asking specifics while you torture them, just stretch out the torture over a period of time with no context or reason whatsoever. Don’t ask about things, don’t make deals. Just torture indiscriminately. Maybe some physical torture, but the psychological stuff is probably more effective. After some time, the person is likely to talk on his/her own accord as they become desperate with the situation and desire a way to avoid or negate the torture. At this point, the torturer makes no overt acknowledgment of the information, he just collects it and continues to torture. I’ve got to think a torturee, not knowing the torturer’s intentions or how/why they are being tortured, will let slip real and more reliable information than they would if they were being grilled/tortured (and understood the relinquishing of information as the causal agent in ceasing the torture),

            In modern Western ethics, of course, torture is considered unethical–no matter the means or the end result. However, from a purely utilitarian point-of-view, I think it’s probably possible to extract reliable info via torture. It just needs to be administered correctly. Unfortunately, I think the people who are picked to administer the torture are usually the most bloodthirsty, sadistic, and morally bankrupt, so they focus primarily on inflicting pain, rather than towards the goal of levying useful and reliable information.

          • Mankind has a looooong history of using torture as interrogation. I imagine somewhere along the line they found the most efficient method.

          • GL

            How does one find someone that is “the most bloodthirsty, sadistic, and morally bankrupt” ??

            We are all the same. None of us want violence. We all do not approve of these methods. But, we are all human, we all want to live.

            GL

          • Howard Dean

            “We are all the same. None of us want violence.”

            Wait, what?! Have you honestly never met (or even heard about) a person who reveled in violence?

            “How does one find someone that is ‘the most bloodthirsty, sadistic, and morally bankrupt’?”

            I think in these situations, you do not find them. They find the situation. They are the guys that seek out the POWS and start fucking with them immediately. In practice, they are likely the most numerous group from which to pick for this type of job, as they might be the only ones who can stomach the torturing.

          • KJM

            “How does one find someone that is “the most bloodthirsty, sadistic, and morally bankrupt” ??”

            It’s easy when you’re The CIA.

            http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/27/us/in-cold-war-us-spy-agencies-used-1000-nazis.html

            And, with respect, we are NOT all the same. We are all raised differently under different circumstances in different societies by different people.

          • GL

            Fine point with your article.

            What I meant was we are all the same because we are all human. I am not saying we are all culturally the same. As humans we all want certain things.

            GL

          • KJM

            Indeed, it’s just that we’re raised with differing views of how to achieve those ends.

        • This is the big argument, because they basically say in the report that it produces false information more often than true information.

        • GL

          But, in instances where the information is true, what if that benefits society as a whole? Is it worth it then? Torturing a few for the benefit of many more?

          I am not taking sides, I just want to see what opinions you’ll have.

          GL

          • I believe in violence against another person only when it is immediately necessary to prevent harm to me or others. There are non-violent methods of obtaining information.

          • BLVKKBEVRD’S WVNDERLVST

            These methods only increase the fervor with which the world detests our country. And rightfully so, some would say.

          • KJM

            Exactly, there’s that whole “ethics” thing again.

          • BLVKKBEVRD’S WVNDERLVST

            Some asshole once said, “Violence begets violence.”

          • KJM

            If we torture their guys, we don’t have much moral standing to be critical when they do it to ours.

          • BLVKKBEVRD’S WVNDERLVST

            Where’s zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz when you need him?

          • Howard Dean

            The United States is pretty talented at obtaining information in all of these different ways. Unfortunately, the non-violent ways are just as troubling and derided as much or more than the violent methods.

          • KJM

            Even though the ethics are still questionable, I would have far less of an issue with using drugs or advanced types of hypnosis than I would with physical torture.

          • BLVKKBEVRD’S WVNDERLVST

            Psychological torture and physical torture are two sides of the same coin, KJ

          • KJM

            Agreed, but at least with psychological methods you can be more assured(not completely though) that any info you extract has more credibility. It’s still torture, you’re just not causing anyone physical pain.

          • BLVKKBEVRD’S WVNDERLVST

            Psychological torture can manifest itself physically. At least with physical torture you have the chance to recuperate. Psychological torture can be permanent.

          • KJM

            Even if you survive physical torture, you’ll still come out of it with PTSD.

          • BLVKKBEVRD’S WVNDERLVST

            Which is the equivalent of psychological torture. Two sides of the same coin.

          • KJM

            Yep.

          • I’m less troubled by an invasion of privacy than the threat of torture. Both are worrisome, to be fair.

          • BLVKKBEVRD’S WVNDERLVST

            Some asshole once said “The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few,” but if we’re all equal then the needs of the many and the needs of the few are the same thing

          • GL

            What about using violence as a preventative measure?

            GL

          • That is something I am 1000% against. In modern history we have so many cases of wanton destruction of life because the powers that be wanted to snuff out groups of people they perceived could be a threat.

          • GL

            But what happens to a society that does not protect what it perceives as its best interests?

            GL

          • BLVKKBEVRD’S WVNDERLVST

            Its “best interests” will never coincide with others’ freedom

          • GL

            Are any of us free then?

            GL

          • BLVKKBEVRD’S WVNDERLVST

            Yarr harr, fiddlety dee?

          • VVorld Peace

            Do what you want cuz a pirate is free!

          • KJM

            Not really. Try going any where or doing anything without money and you’ll find out how “free” we all really are.

          • Nordling Rites Ov Karhu

            Protecting a nations best interests is never using violence against another. It is like worshiping short-term profits. Nothing good will follow in a longer scope.

          • GL

            How can you have long term profits if you do not make it through the short term?

            GL

          • BLVKKBEVRD’S WVNDERLVST

            Profits being the key word in our great nation’s foreign policy

          • Nordling Rites Ov Karhu

            No,no,no,no,no
            Going for short term profits means going for profit now and by that I mean the biggest possible profit now. In long term we may have to sacrifice something now, instead of getting it all, yet it is the only way of achieving the good and keeping it.

          • GL

            I am explicitly talking about protecting a countries best interest (beliefs, culture). How does one protect itself for the long term, if you do not believe in protecting yourself when violence is involved?

            GL

          • Nordling Rites Ov Karhu

            “Violence as a preservative measure”
            Self-defense excluded, protecting a countries best interests is bullshit!
            How about the other country and their best interests. What makes you think you are superior to them in any way.

          • GL

            I am not talking about oppressing other countries through violence. I am talking about violence (such as torture) to protect a nation from threats.

            GL

          • Nordling Rites Ov Karhu

            I do not see it’s necessity. By violence you create bitterness, by bitterness you create a vicious circle. Let’s take a look into modern world – the western one, and see how well things are due this course of action. Everyday similar acts are being conducted creating the need to conduct more tomorrow.

          • I think this is one of the ways that we differ, GL. I don’t care about my country protecting beliefs or culture. I believe the job of the state is to protect the well being of the populace.

          • GL

            I also believe the job of the state is protect the well being populace. But you cannot say that you do not want them to protect your beliefs or culture. By protecting the populace they are protecting those very things…

            GL

          • KJM

            I’m all for defending our borders, but who gets to decide what country is a threat and who isn’t? Why are we cool with allowing some countries to have nukes but we lose our minds when others get them?

          • BLVKKBEVRD’S WVNDERLVST

            Well, here we might diverge a little, KJ. Some countries are blatantly warlike (ahem), and are generally agreed upon that they should not have nukes. This is true for countries like N Korea (sorry KJU).

          • KJM

            Well, as long as we have nukes other countries(especially those with precious resources) will want them to protect themselves from us and honestly, I’m far more worried about Russia and “other” Mid East countries having nukes than I am about NK.

          • Nordling Rites Ov Karhu

            I wouldn’t be worried of NK either. They have always been building an Übermensch kind of portrait of themselves (actually for many centuries now, if you’re interested in history). They do not pose a threat so real as many others.

          • They really only pose a threat to their own citizens (who have been jailed, tortured, and murdered for years).

          • Nordling Rites Ov Karhu

            Spot on.

          • BLVKKBEVRD’S WVNDERLVST

            Um, NK poses a serious threat to the entirety of the far east. Especially to South Korea, Japan, and the Mongolian part of China.

          • It would be assured destruction for them if they actually did anything though.

          • KJM

            Yeah, I don’t see us or Japan allowing that to happen.

          • Lacertilian

            Japan has taken it’s lack of military annoyance out on whales & dolphins instead.
            Cunts.

          • Nordling Rites Ov Karhu

            A threat does exist, but they have shown that most of it is talk, not action waiting to happen. NK knows the consequences and doesn’t want to bear them (Also, check what I said about the Korean national mentality)

          • BLVKKBEVRD’S WVNDERLVST

            if Japan and the US pulled troops out of South Korea, South Korea would be done for.

          • KJM

            The Korean War never even officially ended.

          • Nordling Rites Ov Karhu

            Would, but I don’t see that happening.

          • GL

            Off topic: I tend to think China wants NK next to it. It provides a buffer to the democracy that SK has. I feel like China would rather deal with NK than lose its hold on its people…

            GL

          • Nordling Rites Ov Karhu

            And why is the fact that they exist automatically a threat. You (USA) then also forms a threat to all other countries and their nukes are conserving them. The same protection supposedly needed against them.

          • BLVKKBEVRD’S WVNDERLVST

            Despite being 40 years later, Bear-san, MAD is still very much in play.

          • Nordling Rites Ov Karhu

            I’m sorry a little lost here, MAD?

          • VVorld Peace

            Mutually Assured Destruction. It was our gamble with the Soviets.

          • Nordling Rites Ov Karhu

            Ah yes, there are just so many acronyms for MAD.
            Kind of related directly to this. The idea of deterrence doesn’t exactly work.

          • BLVKKBEVRD’S WVNDERLVST

            I think the MAD tactic is actually the best preventative measure for nuclear fallout between countries.

          • Nordling Rites Ov Karhu

            Living in a country affected strongly by two nations childishly bickering, I cannot agree. It may work to stop a NukeWar. But it has done much, much bad elsewhere.

          • BLVKKBEVRD’S WVNDERLVST

            Stopping a nuclear or chemical/biological war is the dilemma of our age. Most 1st world countries have nukes and chemical/biological weapons. The other bad that this has done is a more tertiary issue.

          • Nordling Rites Ov Karhu

            I can assure you, not for us. The likelihood of nuclear war is (and has been, and not only of deterrence), much smaller than the evil it brings. Also it has lead to reluctance to use them, hence allowing such things as going on in Ukraine to happen. These are tertiary only to those who do not have to worry of these everyday.

          • KJM

            Exactly. That’s why I think Iran is totally trying to get nukes or already has them. They can then say “leave us be or we’ll launch”. That’s another thing we can thank The CIA for; destabilizing Iran to the point where a Theocracy can take root.

          • Nordling Rites Ov Karhu

            Point on. A little out of topic, but Iran was attacked after 9/11 and this was logically used as a reason to do so (a partial, the launching reason), yet none of the hijackers were Iranian or lived in Iran. No one questions this?

          • BLVKKBEVRD’S WVNDERLVST

            Plenty of people question this Bear-san. If you didn’t know, the invasion of Iraq was hotly contested, and isnt a new phenomenon. Everyone is starting to realize that the real reasons for invading Iraq were oil stability and to give backing to other countries we considered to be our allies.

          • Nordling Rites Ov Karhu

            I know this, I do follow the news. I mean that there and then? Who could allow this. The soldiers are still proud to have “served”. What the hell? How could this happen? Why are not the guilty parties trialed now they are Americans and their allies (EU, UN) and not their enemies?

          • BLVKKBEVRD’S WVNDERLVST

            I think you’re mistaken, plenty of our soldiers are not pleased with serving in this war (this is also a big phenomenon). And, in our country, many people (myself included) support the troops but not the war (they’re just doing their job, basically). And, if America wasn’t such a powerhouse, you could bet your bottom dollar that they’d be tried in international courts but the simple fact of the matter is that America has basically become the mercenaries of the modern age. Other countries in the UN and the EU EXPECT America to be their strong arm. The EU/UN is as much to blame as America is for the shortcomings of the recent war(s)

          • Nordling Rites Ov Karhu

            I blame UN as much as America and beginning to blame EU too. However, that first point (soldiers) is not something actively shown here, so I may have the wrong picture about this. But the backing of these soldiers doesn’t feel right to me either, if you knew your job was morally as wrong as it gets, would you continue and with a smile on your face or back them who do? I wouldn’t.

          • BLVKKBEVRD’S WVNDERLVST

            I’m not a soldier, and i dont know if you are either, Bear-san. I think its in the soldiering mentality to do what your superiors tell you, without question.

          • KJM

            They also don’t want to end up in military jail.

          • Nordling Rites Ov Karhu

            Quit?

          • BLVKKBEVRD’S WVNDERLVST

            I dont think its as simple as quitting. There is a stigma for soldiers, and being dishonorably discharged looks incredibly bad for a soldier here.

          • Nordling Rites Ov Karhu

            I do understand that. Nevertheless cannot stand behind continuing this work.

          • KJM

            You can’t. Once you sign on the dotted line, you’re property of the state.

          • Nordling Rites Ov Karhu

            The Exploited made a song fitting this situation, actually multiple:
            “Fuck The…”

          • BLVKKBEVRD’S WVNDERLVST

            While I would love to continue talking with some of my favs, my stinky ass needs to shower and then we’re going into town to see if the record store has any dope vinyl for my buddy for a Krampus gift. I’ll be back around later.

          • Nordling Rites Ov Karhu

            Yeah, you better run!

            (Not srs, I wants dope/vinyl too)

          • Nordling Rites Ov Karhu

            Perhaps, I still don’t think it’s enough to forgive it like that. And no, despite the draft system, I haven’t/won’t serve in military.

          • KJM

            It’s not. The Nuremberg Trials established the precedent that “I was only following orders” is not a valid legal defense.

          • Nordling Rites Ov Karhu

            Copy/Paste my earlier answer regarding Nuremberg Trials.

            The one with “Don’t have hope and all. Hypocrisy and only for show and all that”

          • OldMetalHead

            Former soldier here: You’re only allowed (and required) to disobey illegal orders. It’s not necessarily clear which orders are and aren’t illegal. Of course “execute that prisoner” would be an illegal order. But, I’m sure there’s plenty of grey areas. I was never in combat fortunately, so I can’t speak from 1st hand experience.

          • KJM

            The Nuremberg trails were, of course, addressing the issue of soldiers who had participated in Holocaust atrocities.

          • OldMetalHead

            Yes, and many US personnel have been successfully prosecuted since then, notably in Vietnam, for obeying unlawful orders. There’s more information here if anyone is interested. http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/militarylaw1/a/obeyingorders.htm

          • KJM

            None of the hijackers were Iraqi or Afghani either(IIRC). They were all from Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Yemen.

          • And maybe a clarification here – I see most threats to well being coming from inside forces. Do your poor and marginalized have enough food, shelter, education, etc.?

          • KJM

            And it gets worse when a certain segment of the population feels they are being targeted by the people who are hired to protect them.

          • Nordling Rites Ov Karhu

            One simply protects it’s country (You know, army, info sec. etc.)
            There is absolutely no need to harass other countries before they pose a threat and the it is no longer protecting interest but fighting for survival – war.

          • Howard Dean

            Isolationism is actually still a popular sentiment in the United States among part of the populace, seeing as we were once a very isolationist and standoffish country in the greater scheme of world affairs (pre-WW1). Many American citizens feel exactly this way. Unfortunately, foreign policy is a huge part of the modern world, and every country must deal with it in one way or another. If the United States were to completely separate itself from world affairs (as much as that is possible, meaning that it really isn’t possible at all with the massive and inclusive world economy we now have), it would be derided (internally and externally) for not stepping in and helping in certain situations throughout the world (and I’m not talking just militarily, but in humanitarian efforts, too [I understand that there is a lot of crossover between the two, and that’s what causes a lot of the moral/political turmoil])

          • GL

            I feel this way. I do not feel as though it is the best way to go about things though…

            For instance, do I like fighting in the Middle East? No. Do I think fighting in the Middle East is easier than fighting on U.S soil? Yes.

            Isolationism is a interesting concept though…

            GL

          • Nordling Rites Ov Karhu

            I don’t think isolationism has a chance of survival in the current economic system, where every country is more dependent on other, more than the biggest are willing to acknowledge.

          • Howard Dean

            No, definitely not. That’s why it isn’t taken seriously in modern times, even though it’s a popular sentiment.

          • Nordling Rites Ov Karhu

            Also your beliefs and culture deserve not to be protected elsewhere than in your native country. They ar enot superior. To each his own and by that I mean all cultures/beliefs in a country should be preserved.

          • KJM

            I could only support that in the case of a threat the magnitude of say, Nazi Germany. We were told that the 2nd Iraq War was justified because Iraq had WMD they were planning to attack us with. It then turned out nothing was further from the truth.

          • VVorld Peace

            I’m not an advocate of those wars, just asking for clarification on something. I could have sworn I read a news article recently saying that we did in fact find WMDs. I can’t recall the source though, and even if it’s true, I think that was a false pretense used to mask whatever the real reason was, but I’m curious if you have any knowledge about this.

          • BLVKKBEVRD’S WVNDERLVST

            they had the capacity, not the actual WMDs.

          • VVorld Peace

            Ah, that’s what I was thinking of. Thanks for clarifying.

          • GL

            I was listening to NPR a two (3?) weeks ago and they mentioned that the materials to produce a WMD was there, as well as biological WMD’s. Not an actual warhead though…

            GL

          • Lacertilian

            I’m sure the USA has the materials to produce a WMD, although I would be more inclined to believing that the USA already has WMDs.
            Don’t you hold the most nukes out of any country?

          • KJM

            Nah, the most we found were rusted out missiles and trailers that may, or may not, have been used for chemical warfare. We certainly did not find chemical/biological/nuclear weapons that could reach The US in 45 minutes as your namesake tried to claim in the infamous 2003(?) State Of The union address.

          • BLVKKBEVRD’S WVNDERLVST

            Not to mention the fact that the US has the most sophisticated anti-missile barrage in the world, which can shoot down any incoming missile with pinpoint accuracy before it ever hit us (this was true before the 2nd Iraq war)

          • KJM

            This, among other things(not to change the subject) is why I still have lingering questions about the Sept 11th attacks. I’m not a “Truther” though.

          • more beer

            My biggest question is why did tower 7 fall 12 hours after the attacks. They say it had all the records from the Enron scandal stored there. You never heard about that again after 9/11.

          • Mr.CustodialArts

            I just ask myself…WHAT WOULD HANNEMAN DO?
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTO1s_ARrBk

          • KJM

            Yeah, maybe occasionally you’ll get some credible info but you don’t know for sure until you investigate. What if the guy’s telling you the bomb is in Boston when it’s really in New York?

          • Nordling Rites Ov Karhu

            No. Just no. Where do you stop if you begin, sometimes the greater good is actually very minor, even if it benefits the masses.
            Also, Greater Good is a term always disguising heinous crimes.

            The system does not work if it(‘s rules) has to be broken in order to maintain

        • would you be afraid of what your home country would do to you in exchange for providing said info? that frightens me more.

    • Nordling Rites Ov Karhu

      Seriously, What is this about?

      • Guacamole Jim

        There was a report that was just released, admitting that the CIA used much more extreme methods of torture post 9/11 to gain information than they told anyone. This report just went public.

        • KJM

          If you talked about this shit 10 years ago, they called you a “conspiracy theorist”.

          • Guacamole Jim

            Truth. Though if anyone ever thought any kind of ruling body was telling them anything but lies, they’d have had to be pretty naive.

        • Nordling Rites Ov Karhu

          So… America hadn’t realized this, even though every other country ever had speculated so for years? Okay, I understand it’s about the admitting and it must feel when it happens at home.
          Seriously though I already said that torture is under no circumstances acceptable.

          • KJM

            Any American who was actually paying attention back then knew exactly what was going on and was shouting from the rooftops about it, and then got called “traitor” or “unpatriotic”.

          • Nordling Rites Ov Karhu

            I have seen (news) that happen in America, and I suppose it hurts because it was ADMITTED and…

          • Guacamole Jim

            Well, there’s a difference between speculation and actual, publicly admitting that extreme torture methods were used. Once the government acknowledges that it happened, then blame has to be allocated. Or at least it opens up a massive can of worms that can now be combated on a legal field.

          • KJM

            No legal action will come of this. The CIA is untouchable.

          • That’s what’s been bothering me about all this. Despite all these crazy government actions coming to light (the massive NSA surveillance, the reports of police brutality from DoJ investigations, the CIA torture report) nothing has changed. I just…I don’t understand.

          • KJM

            It’s because the majority of people either don’t know or don’t care enough to force action from their elected officials. That’s also why no matter who controls Congress/The Presidency, nothing changes.

          • Nordling Rites Ov Karhu

            Yes, I see that. Although I am assured nothing will follow to the torturers/CIA/USA. It never does.

          • Death

            I heard that only the whistleblower got jailed (not sure, correct me if wrong).

          • Nordling Rites Ov Karhu

            Even that is progress. I didn’t think anyone would get jailed.

          • Death

            How is it progress jailing the guy that revealed it?

          • KJM

            SPOILER ALERT: It isn’t.

          • Nordling Rites Ov Karhu

            I got it wrong, I, somehow, believed you to mean that the commanding whatever was referred to here as the “whistleblower”

          • Death

            Oh you and your misunderstandings

          • Nordling Rites Ov Karhu

            *SHAME ON ME!!!*

          • Guacamole Jim

            That is also my understanding. Which is absolutely, horrendously backwards.

          • Nordling Rites Ov Karhu

            Wait, what do we mean with the “whistleblower” here?

          • The person who exposed these secrets of torture to the public.

          • GL

            It is not a secret. The report was drafted by the Senate Intelligence Committee. Which was basically an audit of they perceived the CIA did. There was no whistleblower

            GL

          • I was just explaining what a whistleblower is, I was under the assumption there was one from previous comments on here, bruh.

          • Nordling Rites Ov Karhu

            So… I got it wrong.
            (Insert standing school .gif)

          • Guacamole Jim

            The person within the CIA who found and alerted people to the presence of the documents that contained this information about torture.

          • Nordling Rites Ov Karhu

            Yes, I got it now. See comments below

          • Guacamole Jim

            hahaha sorry. I’m behind on the discussion. Stupid work.

          • Nordling Rites Ov Karhu

            I’m only here sporadically too. answering 20 – 40 min old questions.

        • some things are just better kept secret. i don’t want to know the bad things that our government is doing!!

  • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

    Fuck yes excellent choices!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjmKBZ-wL8A

  • King Shit of Fuck Mountain
    • Woah. Sounds like 70s AM Radio!

      • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

        Yeah, just so different. Total cheese factor. The keys are totally ’80s though. I dig the lead on the first track though. Not bad for being 12.

        • Howard Dean

          Such a talented guy. Cheesy glam rock aside, this is some pretty solid stuff coming from a 12 year old.

          • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

            Yeah, I wasn’t knocking it. Just an interesting listen.

      • You’d never guess that he’d eventually grow up to kill himself in the name of Satan.

        • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

          And of course write some of the sickest and most beautiful shit ever.

    • Nordling Rites Ov Karhu

      Wow. That is all.

  • please please please let me be the first person to post this:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuRq4G__ayc

    • Lacertilian

      fuck, I just replied above with that.
      Damn you Jimmy and your timezone.

    • TrickleDownOvTacoKvltRiff

      Win!

  • NefariousDude

    This is exactly what I needed.

  • Guacamole Jim

    Dat picture of the early Masterlord >>>>>>>>>>>>>> /10

  • KJM

    Heh, guess I had more to say about that than I thought.

  • Spear

    Speaking of Thulcandra, they’ve got a new song going up today at 3PM Eastern.

    • Had no idea about this. Thanks, man!

      • Spear

        It’s my sworn doody to highlight new music.

      • NefariousDude

        Really digging Thulcandra. Sorry about black santa.

        • Howard Dean

          Nefarious, did you get yourself some internet so you could download those albums from yesterday and unload your scrotum of ejaculate?

          • NefariousDude

            Still got to download those albums! haha. Cant find where the pirate bay has run off to though. the .cr link isnt working for me.

          • BLVKKBEVRD’S WVNDERLVST

            Piratebay was raided by authorities yesterday. edit: the day before yesterday

          • NefariousDude

            yeah i saw that but I thought they were moving to costa rica? hail hydra

          • BLVKKBEVRD’S WVNDERLVST

            last I heard, they will be switching to a .ac domain. So long as no one will ban me, I can recommend http://kickass.so/ as an alternative.

          • NefariousDude

            that works! ill have to go to other corners of the internet for tha kvltier stvff

          • BLVKKBEVRD’S WVNDERLVST

            so long as no one will ban me, might i recommend http://www.getmetal.org/

          • NefariousDude

            Thanks bro. I’ve been on realm of metal the past couple years and it has served me well, the more the merrier. Who is our potential kidnap victim today?

          • Edward #negrod4eva

            I was wondering the same thing, about the new avatar. Lol.

          • BLVKKBEVRD’S WVNDERLVST

            As per yesterday’s discussion, today’s potential kidnap victim is the illustrious Shannen Doherty.

          • Edward #negrod4eva

            Oh shit 90210 up in heeerrreee.

          • Pagliacci is Krampvs

            Is Blackbeard OK?

          • BLVKKBEVRD’S WVNDERLVST

            THEY’LL NEVER CATCH ME, MATEY

  • Scrimm

    Love me some Sacramentum and Unanimated.

  • Xan

    I don’t mind the tradition of Christmas itself. I take issue with the rampant commercialism, fucking terrible music, and PEOPLE WHO THINK THIS LOOKS COOL:
    Seriously, if you put reindeer regalia on your car, I hope you die brutally in the void.

    • ugh……… so, that’s why the middle class american wannabe are using this….

    • Lacertilian

      It’s everywhere here in Australia, so much lifeloving.

      • VVorld Peace

        I see it quite a bit here in Texas.

    • Guacamole Jim

      I have never once seen this in my life.

      • Xan

        I don’t see it when I’m driving around town. Both of these pictures were taken at my college. For some reason, people think these are actually cool/cute. If I saw these people crossing the road, I wouldn’t brake for them.

  • FB: “Link, there’s a new toilet kvlt post about Black Merol against christmas”
    Me: “mnnn………..” *roll eyes*
    FB: “c’mon… There are melodies”
    Me: “mnnnn….. Ok :)”

    *hop*

  • J.R.

    Bruh that Thulcandra is delicious.

    • this is a picture about which i would say, “great picture!”

      • J.R.

        this is a comment to which i would comment in response with the comment “thanks for the nice comment!”

  • JWG

    Metal versions of Xmas tunes can, in particular, push off.

    Unless it’s RJD. Then it can go all day.

    Sadly, though, it never is…

  • Stockhausen

    Excellent post, many grims. Now we need music to combat horrible screaming middle school children that I can hear right now.

  • TrickleDownOvTacoKvltRiff

    Great tunage as usual…agh more music to catch up on!

  • that header picture is amazing. i laughed for 5 minutes straight

  • Lacertilian

    Thanks MSD, great post.
    I really enjoyed all of those album covers too, nice wintery blues (even though it’s summer here).

  • The Planck Epoch

    Far Away From The Sun is as inconceivably cold as was my fraction of a second inconceivably hot. One of the great albums of all black metal time.

  • CT-12

    FUCK YEAH LORD BELIAL!!!

  • Simon PhoenixKing

    Thulcandra makes better Dissection records than Watain ever could.

    Fact.

  • Tyree

    FUCKING NICE!