Is It Time to End the Touring Summer Metal Festivals?

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Yes. Yes it is.

Now that the Autumn chill is slowly setting in and Summer is in our rear view, I feel that now is a good time to look back on what can be considered a tumultuous year for the summer touring festival. In its heyday, Ozzfest did well. It was a chance for the average metal fan to catch some classic metal bands, popular acts of the day, and up-and-comers. Unfortunately, costs ran too high, and with a faltering economy, the touring fest has been reduced to a one-off festival in Japan. Remember the Sounds of the Underground tour? Same type of deal. Started out hot and burned out quickly.

While it seems like forever ago, it was only a few months back that bands and organizers involved with the Rockstar Energy ™ Mayhem Fest were sniping at each other. Attendance was bad. Bands feuded. Festival co-founder Kevin Lyman took issue with metal as a genre, drawing the ire of just about everyone. (Okay, it was mostly just Slayer, but the internet was pretty angry too). Lyman apologized for his jab, but the numbers (and pictures) don’t lie. Mayhem Festival was pretty much a bomb.

The light attendance for Mayhem can be blamed on multiple factors. The biggest culprit was the lineup. King Diamond and, to a lesser extent, Slayer, are still draws, but enough to fill up 15,000+ venues? Not on their own. Combine that with low-drawing, borderline niche bands Hellyeah and The Devil Wears Prada, and you have a confused main stage that does not contain a lot of crossover appeal.

The bigger problem, though, was the Victory Records Stage. In previous years, there had been multiple smaller stages. 2015 was reduced to Whitechapel, Thy Art Is Murder, Jungle Rot, Sister Sin, Sworn In, Shattered Sun, Feed Her To The Sharks, Code Orange (who dropped off the tour), and Kissing Candice. I could have easily made up at least 2 of those bands and you probably wouldn’t notice. Getting a new, unknown band on a touring metal fest in hopes of selling some records is a time honored tradition. Isn’t that right Depswa, Magna-Fi, and Gizmachi? While some of those bands may be able to draw in small venues on individual shows, most fans are unable or unwilling to pay a full price ticket to see them for 25 minutes at 2 in the afternoon. Were festivals organizers hoping to draw in Jungle Rot fans with the promise of also seeing Hellyeah? Were King Diamond fans showing up extra early for Kissing Candice? Not bloody likely.

Cost-cutting, a weak lineup, a still-recovering economy, cancellations and no reduction in ticket price led to the end of the festival, though some have expressed an openness to keep it going. Mayhem’s case may be extreme, but it is not unique. It is endemic of the big problem with the touring metal festival. Take this past year’s Summer Slaughter festival. While there weren’t any major problems with the fest, at its core lies the same problems as Mayhem.

 

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Take a look at this lineup from the tour’s stop in Worcester, MA. Eight touring bands and nine locals. NINE! Doors at 2, show starts at 2. Those poor, poor local bands. How many people did they play in front of, excluding the other bands and their parents? I seriously hope they didn’t have to go through battle of the bands to get that sweet 2 in the afternoon slot. I hope even more that they didn’t have to sell tickets for this. While it’s nice to say “I opened for Arch Enemy”, it’s unfair to the locals.

Beyond the massive amount of locals problem, the number of touring bands on this is just as massive. A lot of those bands are cramming into their stink-filled vans to drive all over the country to play shortened sets. Is it worth it for the bands to do this? Is it worth it to the fans? Yes, you get your money’s worth if you get there at the very beginning and stay until the very end, but how many people not employed by the venue are doing that? Split this fest into two separate tours and it’s much more reasonable.

It’s time to end the touring summer festivals. Prices are rising while quality (in some cases) has been dropping. It’s an unnecessary hardship for both the touring bands and the locals trying to get a boost by appearing on the same stage. The money isn’t coming in, not even for well-attended non-metal festivals like Warped Tour. The fans themselves don’t want to drop a large chunk of money to sit through music they will hate just to see a band that they can see for cheaper and in a more intimate setting at a later date. I saw King Diamond last year at a sold-out show. It was incredible. Why would I want to spend more to see less?

Touring metal festivals can be great, but the way they are currently run is just unsustainable. I would rather the concept take a break, regroup, and put out something that would do well. The bands still are out there and, more importantly, the fans are still out there. We want to have fun. We want to have a good time. We want to see bands we like and bands that we would like. One-off festivals like Maryland Deathfest and New England Metal & Hardcore Fest prove it. Now if those can be boiled down to something manageable to hit the road, it would be welcomed with open arms and banging heads.

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  • Janitor Jim Duggan

    I wish Ozzfest would come back. It never will though. Somehow Warped Tour is extremely successful though.

    • KJM, Shake Zula

      Ozzfest (with good bands) costs too much. It’s easy to be successful when you have shitty bands that work for next to nothing or, in some cases, even pay to be on the tour.

      • Janitor Jim Duggan

        They did get a lot of bands during their peak but very few were any good.

        • KJM, Shake Zula

          I saw 1998(Ozzy, Tool, Motorhead, Megadeth), 2001 twice(Sabbath and a bunch of shit) and 2005(Sabbath, Maiden).

          • ME GORAK B.C.™

            GORAK SEE 99, 2000, &2004!!!!!! LOTS GOOD BANDS!!!!!!

  • I can’t believe Arch Enemy is still a thing, not to mention headline festivals/tours.

    • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

      Seriously.

      • My guitarists went to one of their shows in the states this year only because his drummer (The Absence) was the drum tech for Daniel Erlandsson. He said it was a complete yawn fest. Apparently he said Born of Osiris used a back track for all the songs too. Fucking sooo lame.

        • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

          Horrible. I actually saw Arch Enemy once right after Angela joined the band. One of the Milwaukee Metalfests. They were meh….

          • My guitarist said the only cool thing about it was to see Jeff Loomis play guitar. But, I mean it’s Arch Enemy so how great could it have been.

          • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

            Exactly.

          • Jeff Loomis you say?

            *SWOON*

          • Based Pingu

            Too bad his solo albums are garbage.

          • I actually semi agree with you. His tunes are much better when other people are working w/him. Which makes perfect sense

          • Vote for Jeb

            I don’t really care for his solo stuff either. He needs other folks to rein him in.

          • Word, W.

          • Ted Nü-Djent ™

            Impressive but about 1.30 is when the boredom set in

          • Oily Kung Fu Bologna Riot

            I liked his solo stuff, but goddamn does he overdo the Steve Vai worship! He practically drinks from Vai’s jock strap.

          • You like some stuff because you play electric guitar. Is the same with people like Malmsteen, Satriani, Vai…

            Virtuoso music is made to display the skill of the player and how can they compose songs with different moods and notes as a whole. I always saw that genre as a way to promote the artist rather than making a musical statement.

            The only ‘virtuoso’ thing I like is Buckethead, I always felt it more musical than skilled.

          • Would not know. Don’t really care for Jeff Loomis.

          • Based Pingu

            I’m not a huge fan, but Nevermore’s got some goodies imo.

          • I mean I guess if I was a guitarist I might get the whole Jeff Loomis thing. But, I’m not and his music (From what I heard) does nothing for me.

          • ib4 W fanbois all over your statement

          • Vote for Jeb

            Imma leave it be. Just this once.

          • Oily Kung Fu Bologna Riot
        • CyberneticOrganism

          No surprise on the Born of Osiris thing; they’ve got so many “audio lens flare” effects in the background of every song it would sound infinitely more shitty to just hear them banging away on their 8 strings.

          • Apparently one dude put his phone up to their cabs during their set and played it back stage. It was just slop apparently. All show is all it is.

          • Stockhausen

            I regretfully opened for them once. Massive douche bags. I can’t say anything about their playing from experience because I left, but I believe that most of their sound is from a track.

          • Yup, it was proven so. It sucks having to deal with ignorant asshole bands.

          • I think that started after they got rid of their second guitarist and never found someone to replace him

          • JamesGrimm

            He was the writing force behind the band apparently.

          • That and it is hard to perform all the weedly deedlies live when you do not have a rhythm guitarist… thus the backing track

          • Oily Kung Fu Bologna Riot
    • Oily Kung Fu Bologna Riot

      Because dem tittaes.

      http://www.boosharticles.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/635316254737586492.jpg

      I figure they’d crash and burn after Angela’s rant against the fans and saying AE doesn’t owe them shit.

      • Ted Nü-Djent ™

        What titties?

  • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

    Fuck shows.

    • KJM, Shake Zula

      Except for food/work, shows are really the only time I leave the house.

      • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

        Nice.

    • Only shitty camcorder youtube concert videos are real. Preferably from the 80’s and early 90’s.

  • Dave Vincent’s Perm

    Outdoor festivals are largely shite. Everyone just stands around looking gormless with their hair tied back.

    • Dave Vincent’s Perm

      And then it gets cancelled because of the rain and you don’t get to fucking see Vital Remains

      • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

        Bitter?

    • Janitor Jim Duggan

      Agreed.

    • Paddlin’ Rites ov Beargod

      You’ve obviously never been to a good outdoor fest. I’ve never, ever been to the fest you just described.

      • Dave Vincent’s Perm

        I said ‘largely’ I was considering saying something like ‘unless you’re at wacken or MDF’ but I thought it would make the comment overlong.

        • Paddlin’ Rites ov Beargod

          Well, I can only say things about the Finnish fest’s, but they’re largely pretty fire.

      • Based Pingu

        Ilosaarirock was darn great this year.

        • Paddlin’ Rites ov Beargod

          Yeah, Apina, Haloo Helsinki, Charli XCX and Popeda. The list of great artists just goes on.

          • Based Pingu

            Ha ha ha ha HA HA HA HA HA. You’re just jealous that we got HC Andersen and you didn’t!

          • I guess we can start calling that grandpa music, huh?

          • Based Pingu
          • Paddlin’ Rites ov Beargod

            …maybe.

          • Based Pingu

            Paleface was suprisingly good as their vocalist.

    • Damn, I’ve been lucky fortunately with outdoor fests. My only complaint is the heat.

      • Dave Vincent’s Perm

        I think the biggest problem, particularly in Britain, (besides all the bloody rain) is that people are scared of looking stupid if they so much as nod their head to the music. That sort of stuff is nowhere near as prevalent at indoor concerts.

        • Ah, the rain issue makes sense. Yeah fuck that man.

          • KJM, Shake Zula

            At Lollapalooza 1991 it downpoured for about 10 minutes. Fortunately the stash was safe. It also rained a bit at Tool/Fantomas in 2001 but that was mostly drizzle.

          • Nice. I saw Tool twice indoors. Damn good performers and musicians. Their fans are terrible though.

          • KJM, Shake Zula

            I’ve seen Tool 10 times so far. Danny is a fucking beast on those drums.

          • YES! No denying that! Ticks and Leeches is fucking mind baffling to me. Incredible drum performance.

          • KJM, Shake Zula

            So glad I finally saw them play Ticks back in 2012.

          • That’s rare. I thought they only did that song on the last day of tours because it fucks up Maynard’s voice?

          • KJM, Shake Zula

            He just used a lot of processing and fx on that tune, same with Hooker With A Penis. It sounded just fine and no one cared.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TACwwHP7a70

          • Hum… How about that.

          • KJM, Shake Zula

            The rest of the set he just sang normally.

    • CyberneticOrganism

      I’ve been to a couple outdoor fests and that was enough for me. No shade, much heat, everything is expensive and everyone is sweaty and drunk. Fuck that.

  • Janitor Jim Duggan

    Also speaking of one off festivals my cousins band is playing a festival in my area. The headliner is Escape The Fate. I’m not going even though tickets are cheap. The festivals in my area are usually shitty.

  • xengineofdeathx

    Will always remember summer slaughter in 09. Necrophagist, origin, exhumed, fetus, suffocation… I traded tshirts with Derek Boyer and he drunkenly asked me if I was fucking my friend that was a girl who went with me. It’s declined a lot since then.

    • i [think i] was there! ah, the days when we thought Necrophagist would be releasing a new rekkid…

  • BEARD-SPLITTER

    I havent been to a “fest” in over 10 years.

    • KJM, Shake Zula

      Mayhem Fest 2012(Slayer, Motorhead, Anthrax), last one before that was Ozzfest 2005(Sabbath, Maiden).

      • BEARD-SPLITTER

        Id rather handpick shows with bands id like to see then drive to charlotte to see a bunch of garbage bands and one or two good ones

        • KJM, Shake Zula

          It was just too easy and I only had to sit through 2 shitty bands. It was also the first time I’d seen Anthrax since 1987.

      • I went to Mayhem in 2012 also, was pretty fucking awesome seeing Motorhead. It was their first time in my city in like 20 years.

    • Mailbox Full O Chicken Tenders

      I’ve never been to one. I was supposed to go to Lunatic Luau earlier this year with my roomies, but decided not to go.

  • KJM, Shake Zula

    A 4-5 city version of MDF would work, less dates and better likelihood of finding decent bands to play, especially during Summer when bigger bands can just do the festival circuit and make big cash.

  • KJM, Shake Zula

    Also just, fuck The Palladium. Fuck that place.

    • CyberneticOrganism

      NOOOOOOO

    • Based Pingu

      Ewww, that language sounds ugly.

    • Matt Pike’s Sweaty Left Nipple

      (>,,,<) Ewwwwwwww… that's just friggin' nasty… and how dumb do you have to be…? Maybe ask if it's a urinal BEFORE dunking your hands in a trough of piss? Or just, you know, DON'T DUNK YOUR HANDS INTO A PISSING TROUGH THAT'S QUITE OBVIOUSLY FULL OF VERY YELLOW AND DISGUSTING PISS!!!

  • I am not familiar with festivals culture, but I get your point.

    These guys in Mayhem festival were probably thinking as promoters rather than metal fans and they failed trying to play the game.

    I don’t think the 80s Arena Rock phase of metal is coming back, what we have now after the internet heavy usage is a more niche genre, so we will probably see less overall festivals and more specific genre events like that trees’n’shit merol festival that Paggliaci like, Maryland Deathfest or a Juggalo gas chamber, I don’t know.

    Like you said too, the prices are high and most of those persons that wanted to attend Mayhem to see King Diamond probably said: “nah, I don’t want to see Slayer again because they’re old as fuck or those children of The God Wears Gucci or whatever”.

    • My preference for seeing live music is that a bar be present so I can have a beer and ignore the band on stage that I don’t like.

      • more beer

        That and re entry. I will typically go outside and smoke herb if there is horrible band I don`t want to see.

  • Mvthvr Shvbvbv 8

    If it wasn’t for Mayhem Festival, we wouldn’t have had Ladder Up An Ass.

    https://myspace.com/ladderupanass1/music/songs

    • Check out the cover art of their upcoming record: Metal, Ladders and Snakes up Your Ass!

      http://www.newvoicemedia.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Call-plan.gif

    • Fuck, I got free Mayhem Festival tickets years back for Pittsburgh. I regrettably attended. So many shitty humans.

      • Mvthvr Shvbvbv 8

        I think I went to a Thrash and Burn once. But I typically never went to those kind of things, like you said too many shitty humans.

      • KJM, Shake Zula

        Was there at least one decent band that year?

        • I can’t remember. It was a lot of shit honestly. I remember Dragonforce played.

          • Mailbox Full O Chicken Tenders

            Dragonforce couldn’t even get half their notes right when I saw them with All That Remains and some coffeehouse Jason Mraz-sounding folk singer opening for them. And they had none of the doodads they kept bragging about in interviews.

  • Disagree.

    We both agree that summer festivals are failing, but I don’t think it’s time for them to die. I think it’s time for them to become leaner and smarter.

    The summer slaughter is a great example of a tour gone wrong. It relies on relatively smaller local venues to not only pack the house, but to find locals. Essentially, the burden of the fest is on each individual venue to find so many regional bands and create the all day fest feel.

    This doesn’t work, because a) 99% of the people attending don’t care about the locals, and b) Normal concerts with 5 or less touring bands start after normal work hours.

    I’m not taking off so I can see local acts Sawtopsy (ps if they don’t sound like Autopsy I’m burning the place down) play at 2:45. I’m going to go when I get off and see the bands I already know.

    I’m all for supporting the local scene and getting people excited about local music and attending shows, but summer slaughter feels like it’s just smashing local bands onto the bill to make it longer and a “fest.” It’s not, don’t insult us, don’t insult yourselves.

    I think we’d all be content with a 4 or 5 band summer slaughter tour. HELL, throw on a local or two, that’s fine! 6 band shows are longer but usually doable without too much effort!

    As for the big touring fests like Mayhem, I have no answers. I think stationary fests, like Wacken, MDF, ProgPower, etc. are going to hold the main draw for now until someone comes up with a model of touring festival that can actually break even. I imagine targeting one type of fan instead of a false and generic idea of “metalheads” would help

    • Shows with more than 4 bands are considered festivals in my opinion. Fuck, 4 bands is pushing it.

      • 4 bands only works if all the bands rule, or if the crappy band is closing the show so you can go home! hahaha

        • Yup.

        • KJM, Shake Zula

          That’s why Mayhem 2012 worked out perfectly. Slipknot was the headliner so I didn’t even have to care about getting a ride home. I just took the commuter rail there and back.

      • Stockhausen

        I’m with you. And I hate showing up to the venue and hearing the promotor say “Uh, yeah, I guess we’ll push the start time back by an hour or so.”

        • NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

        • promoters think nobody works early the next morning

    • Vote for Jeb

      I think trimming the local fat would go a long way. Heck, I think most concerts need that. When we have a three band bill come through town, the promoters still book three locals, and the actual bands I want to see don’t go on till like 9:00.

      • BEARD-SPLITTER

        #oldmanW

        • Vote for Jeb

          I won’t deny that. i get up at 6 every morning. I don’t want to be out till 2.

          • BEARD-SPLITTER

            I get up around 7. I dont go to shows unless i can take the next day off or weekend because drugs and booze

          • Vote for Jeb

            Stupid Monday shows, man.

          • BEARD-SPLITTER

            If its important ill take the day off in advance.

          • Paddlin’ Rites ov Beargod

            Man, I kinda miss going to shows on weekdays. No fricken way I can do it now.

          • Mailbox Full O Chicken Tenders

            I only work nights (except for this Sunday), so I’m not up until about 11:30-noonish.

          • Ted Nü-Djent ™

            This

      • And you go to bed at 9:30pm, right?

        • Vote for Jeb

          *10.

          • Go quick to the kitchen, your milk is almost ready.

          • Sleep FTW. I try to be in bed by 915 though. Extra sleep is never a bad thing.

          • Based Pingu

            Sleep is for the weak.

          • I wanna post a Only for the Weak song by In Flames so bad right now 😐

          • ME GORAK B.C.™
          • BEARD-SPLITTER

            “Penguins sleep for a few minutes at a time, either during the day or during the night, wherever they happen to be. But they sleep for longer periods on land and at night. They will sleep sitting in the water, standing up, lying down or just sitting”

          • Based Pingu

            Yes, penguins do that. But I’m not a penguin.

          • Stockhausen

            -Nas

          • Is Nas slang for “nice”?

            plz rspnd

          • Based Pingu

            He’s a rapper, I think.

          • Stockhausen

            Mr. Deuce posted a Nas (the rapper) quote, and Beard-Splitter posted another quote. I’m pretty sure Nas said that one too.

          • BEARD-SPLITTER

            Nas is known for his penguin based lyrical content

          • Stockhausen

            If there’s ever one thing I’ve said about Nas, it’s “‘Nas is known for his penguin based lyrical content’ – Beard-Splitter.”

          • BEARD-SPLITTER

            “Magellanic penguins dig burrows under the ground to form huge “cities” similar to gophers.”
            -Nas – Penguin Fax(2033)

          • Stockhausen

            What a knowledgeable motherflusher.

          • Mailbox Full O Chicken Tenders

            North Pole State Of Mind.

          • BEARD-SPLITTER

            +1

          • more beer

            It`s short for Nasir.

          • Sleep is the cousin of death – Nas.

          • BEARD-SPLITTER

            To be fair, i like Death and Sleep

          • KJM, Shake Zula

            m/

          • Well… He is a metaphysical changing interesting creature, I like him in any form he transform.

            In every way, he still trust in his sharp knife to stab people in the eye.

          • KJM, Shake Zula

            #HorseRhinoThing

          • BEARD-SPLITTER

            Man, that guy was a huge anus

          • I’m up until at least 1AM every night. Get up around 7AM every day. Seems to catch up with me on Saturdays though.

          • I think the whole being a dad thing is going to change my 8 to 9 hours of sleep a night, LOL

          • For the first month or two, a baby doesn’t really sleep through the night so you’re sleep is going to get interupted.

          • No Sleep ‘Till Bedtime

          • ME GORAK B.C.™

            OH!!!! MY!!!! FUCK!!!! ING!!!!! GOD!!!!!!!!!!

          • oh Gorak, i love you like i love myself

          • Based Pingu

            MORE PROOF

          • ME GORAK B.C.™

            WOT U IMPLY??????

          • Based Pingu

            YOU DAMN WELL KNOW WHAT I’M >IMPLYING

          • ME GORAK B.C.™

            STRAPPING YOUNG LAD ROCKS??????

          • Mailbox Full O Chicken Tenders

            Live interview I did with Devin way back when:

            http://www.chaindlk.com/interviews/Strapping-Young-Lad/

        • Mailbox Full O Chicken Tenders

          After he gets his pudding and Matlock.

      • Cult Leader on Friday night is 4 bands total. Starts at a decent hour and I won’t get home too late.

        • Yeah we’re losing two of our venues in Charlotte. Both would get you out the door by midnight at the latest 🙁 the rest of the venues are run by young party animals who don’t work 9-5 jobs, so they push back the start times to 9, 10, i’ve even seen 11

      • I am very fortunate to live in a city that rarely books more than 4 bands per show, and discourages 5 or more. I think 3 or 4 band shows are the perfect number

        • Stockhausen

          Truly. Even when I’m on tour I hate playing late. No one sticks around and it’s a monstrously long time to sit around and pick your butt.

          • Noted. Yall will open next time you tour here

          • Stockhausen

            With our avant-garde butt picking set.

          • “COME OUT AND SUPPORT OUR NEW AVANT-GARDE (F)ART BAND – DISCHORDIA”

          • Stockhausen

            -DISCHOADIA*

          • that was the edge I was looking for (and couldn’t find). NICE

          • Stockhausen

            Haha. It’s always there, in your he(f)art

          • Ted Nü-Djent ™

            DISKAWDYA*

          • Ted Nü-Djent ™

            This is why you should drink ridiculous amounts of alcahol while you wait. Performance be damned.

      • JamesGrimm

        peabodys used to be open till 1:30 in the morn. You have to earn your headliner.

    • Less is more for me. Would rather have a couple real good bands on one tour with a solid up and coming act as support. 5 -6 bands tops.

    • JamesGrimm

      It also helps when the venues dont sound like garbage. Saw Soulfly, Soilwork, and it was the worst sounding set in the agora theater ive ever attended. we left on chaos A.D.

    • more beer

      Not to mention if you support your local scene. Chances are you`ve seen pretty much all of the local bands before.

      • Well it can be cool to see how larger crowds react to your buddies. When we opened for Alestorm with our buddies in Everthrone, it was wild to watch a crowd of 600 (as opposed to 20-50) go nuts for someone they’d never heard

        • more beer

          I agree with you there. But by the same token a lot of shows are on weeknights. People have jobs. I don`t want to sit through 4 local bands that I have seen countless times, friends or not. When I`ve already had a long day at work and another the following day. 1 or 2 locals are fine when the numbers start getting upwards of that it`s a little much.

          • Yeah the 4 – 5 band rule is stuck to very closely here, so I’ve never had to deal with anything like that. I imagine it’s quite frustrating

          • more beer

            They put a lot of bands on the bills here and it does get frustrating.Example there are 3 locals on the Belphegor, Kataklysm show next month. 2 I`ve seen before the only one I want to see is a friends band who I haven`t seen. The only reason I haven`t seen them is they don`t play very often and are very picky about what shows they will play.

  • The band I was in back in the day were good friends with Gizmachi. Cool people but shouldnt have been on Ozzfest.

  • Mailbox Full O Chicken Tenders

    Actually, I think the whole Iron Maiden egg throwing fiasco was the death knell of Ozzfest.

    • KJM, Shake Zula

      Sharon claims it was the following year(2006) when they paid SOAD around $3-4 Million USD to headline most of the tour.

        • KJM, Shake Zula

          Heh. I’m sure Jake E. Lee would approve this message.

          • Mailbox Full O Chicken Tenders

            And almost anyone who’s worked with Ozzy/Sharon.

      • Mailbox Full O Chicken Tenders

        All while charging up and coming bands to play.

      • Dave Vincent’s Perm

        I’m fairly certain Ozzy’s been dead for a while now and Sharon just occasionally wears his skin when she wants some more cocaine

  • Boss the Ross

    Festivals in Europe seem to work out best. The fact that Wacken Open Air sells out within hours is pretty impressive. And then you have bands that can actually do their own fests and get away with it, Motorhead, Sabaton, Blind Guardian etc.
    One off fests are they way to go, touring a fest seems to be the real downfall. It would be less strenuous on the bands, promoters and fans.

    • MoshOff

      Hellfest is bigger, MUCH better in terms of lineups and a lot less overrated than Wacken… for now. It’s getting ridiculous proportions of huge (150,000+ poeple) and the tickets sell out faster every year. It’s on the road to becoming Wacken 2, for better or worse.

      • Boss the Ross

        I think it has mostly to do with European culture. Being able to pull off a week-plus long festival and have people actually show up, and camp out for that matter, is wonderous. That and the fact of good heavy metal music actually being appreciated on such a large scale there.

  • David Vincent’s Spandex Shirt

    The Scion AV showcases are always rad

  • Waynecro

    Valid points, valid points everywhere! The problem for me is being too old, tired, and sober to enjoy long-ass shows with tons of bands. Back in the day, I could sit at the bar and drink too much whiskey between good bands. Now I just stand there, trying not to think of being at home watching TV in bed. These days, I use up all my energy working, working out, and doing responsible grown-up stuff. I have no energy to stand around for ten hours to see an hour or two of performances by bands I actually like. I’ve enjoyed the Summer Slaughter Tour several times; however, the last time I went, dealing with a bunch of scene kids in a hot, stinky venue hours away from my house on a work night was just too much.

  • 3leggedDog

    ’04 ozzfest – slayer, priest, sabbath, black label, slipknot, lamb of god, few others i missed because i went with my dad….

  • Pagliacci is Kvlt

    Cancel them all. Only Shadow Woods is real.