HOT TAKE: Solo Ozzy > Black Sabbath

Henry Rollins once said, “You can only trust yourself and the first six Black Sabbath albums.” He also once said “I have many records, books and films featuring people who have taken their own lives, and I regard them all with a bit of disdain,” so, y’know, maybe don’t take all your advice from the Andy Rooney of Gen X.


It’s taken as the gospel truth that Black Sabbath were the first and perhaps most important band in all of heavy metal. Ozzy Osbourne, Geezer Butler, Bill Ward, and Tony Iommi all joined together to rock back in 1968 and the world was never the same again. These blue collar schlubs escaped their depressing industrial jobs by creating evil, heavy blues rock in a musical landscape dominated by disgusting hippies. Damn near 50 years later, the sound Black Sabbath pioneered, for better or worse, still maintains a stranglehold over the world of metal. For every Spirit Adrift, there are a billion Goat Bongs.

Over eight albums of wildly varying quality, Ozzy Osbourne assumed Black Sabbath vocal duties as Tony Iommi ran the show. Tensions rose, and in 1979, Ozzy was booted from the band. In his place, a succession of vocalists took over including a future hologram, some Deep Purple cast-offs, and something called a “Tony Martin”. These Ozzy-less Sabbath records are occasionally interesting, but they sound stuck in the 70s, objectively the worst decade of music. Meanwhile, Ozzy got down to business defining the next decade of metal.

Blizzard of Ozz was released in 1980 and completely flipped the script on Ozzy’s work with Black Sabbath. Working with bassist Bob Daisley and guitar wunderkind Randy Rhoads, the band launched a fresh and frenetic take on Ozzy’s career. “I Don’t Know” and “Crazy Train” shoved brilliant riffs straight down the ungrateful throat of the world. “Mr Crowley”, an obvious throwback to Sabbath, upped the ante with frenzied guitar leads that Tony Iommi’s leather-tipped fingers could never duplicate. Rolling Stone wrote of the album, “the songs here are little more than riffs with a vocal line pasted on top,” which sounds fuckin’ awesome, and also describes literally thousands of bands across all genres of metal.

Black Sabbath was an ancient, resin-caked bong. By comparison, Ozzy Osbourne was a shimmering pile of diamond-encrusted cocaine. Every song presented a new opportunity for mind-melting guitar solos and catchy songcraft, tailor-made for kick-ass athletic events. Every middle school marching band on earth forces their piccolo players to mirthlessly toot out Black Sabbath’s “Iron Man”. Have you ever heard some tuba-wielding dork blast out a cover of “Crazy Train”? It’s dope.

The follow-up, Diary of a Madman upped the ante even further with Randy Rhoads, at the ripe old age of 25, somehow getting even better at shredding the got-damn geetar. “Over the Mountain” and “Flying High Again”, opened up the record with riffs that still dazzle to this day. How much better could Ozzy’s band get?! The potential was unlimited! Unfortunately, some dickhole pilot decided to get fucked up and kill himself, a make-up artist, and Randy in an idiotic plane crash. Fuck.

Osbourne overcame this tremendous setback by finding replacement guitarists Jake E. Lee and future Sons of Anarchy extra Zakk Wylde, and he continued to crank out hit after hit: “Bark at the Moon”, “Shot in the Dark”, “Miracle Man”, “Hellraiser”, the list goes on an on. For six solo albums, starting with Blizzard all the way up to 1991’s extremely dope No More Tears, Ozzy put out music that was more energetic, more commercially successful, and more jam-packed with sweet widdly-widdly guitar action than anything Black Sabbath mustered after Ozzy’s departure. After this string of solo success, he decided to retire, leave retirement to start nü metal, and eventually usher in the hallmark of the 2000s with reality television.

Conventional metal wisdom will tell you that Black Sabbath is the be-all and end-all of all metal. Conventional metal wisdom will also tell you that you look cool wearing a leather jacket and corpse paint in Florida. Too often, metal fans fall into an echo chamber of opinions. It’s time to question everything. Do you really enjoy Dio’s take on Black Sabbath? Wasn’t Zakk Wylde’s work with Ozzy really, really siqqqq? Was the Black Album really all that bad? Sophisticated listeners will appreciate the foundation that Black Sabbath laid down in the cultural wasteland of the 70s while recognizing that Ozzy’s musical output in the 80s is scientifically better. Simply ask yourself, what’s more appealing? Slow, ditch weed stoner blues or keyed-up, musically extravagant hard rock? The answer is in your heart.

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Published on: August 16, 2016

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  • Abradolf Lincler

    Goat Bong >>>>>>>>>>

  • Dave Grohl was responsible for Black Sabbath?

  • 4 out of 5 Ride For Dimes agree.

  • Dave Grohl killed Randy Rhoads.

    • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

      He killed him with intense drumming and economical songwriting. Randy couldn’t hang, bro.

      • tigeraid

        Grohl is love. Groh is life.

      • Lacertilian

        Economical is a good way to put it.

        • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

          I was trying to be diplomatic.

  • Elegant Gazing Globe

    getchapull<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

  • Dave Grohl.

  • Nina Osegueda

    Uhhhh Dehumanizer is one of the greatest metal albums of all time, and Dio was a superior vocalist in every way shape and form. Pre-Dio Sabbath is groundbreaking in that it introduced the world to doom metal, but Dio-era Sabbath brought incredible music that by far surpassed anything Ozzy could do vocally.

    • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

      Riffs>vocals. I love Dio to death, but I’m real tired of people shitting on the Ozzy era, like “Oh it was a good start, etc……” Bullshit.

      • Nina Osegueda

        Good riffs are great, good vocals are great, why not both? Early era Sabbath is good, but Dio era Sabbath is incredible.

        • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

          They’re both incredible as they’re two different chapters in the same book.

          • Nina Osegueda

            I personally wouldn’t call any Ozzy performance incredible, but that’s just, like, my opinion man.

          • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

            His vocals on Sabbath Bloody Sabbath are insane! He hit fucking high registers.

          • Nina Osegueda

            “High”…

          • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

            RIFFS

          • Nina Osegueda
          • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

            Really, that’s your go to? Country Girl’s main riff shits all over that one.

          • Nina Osegueda

            I disagree 100% and if I had more % to give I would.

          • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

            Give some more then, by all means. Oh, and this is a better riff too.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA0Xn9lzyuw

          • Señor Jefe El Rosa

            Second best on Master. Superceded only by Into The Void.

          • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

            Of course. Master of Reality is heavy as fuck!!! Dio era could never hope to be that heavy. NEVER!

          • Señor Jefe El Rosa

            This is a fact.

          • TrickleDownOvTacoKvltRiff

            Children of the grave, say no more.

          • Señor Jefe El Rosa

            Fell in love with a country girl!

        • tigeraid

          Both are excellent, but Ozzy-era Sabbath was more “great because it was the first of its kind, scared the shit out of normies and Tommy Iommi basically invented the sound of metal” …. But Dio-era Sabbath is simply better, musically.

          The way I look at it is, I’ve never heard an aspiring metal vocalist want to be Ozzy. Most metal vocalists wish they were Dio. And vocals are even more important to ME than riffs, so it wins out.

          • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

            Well, without riffs, you don’t have a song. And besides it’s Tony Iommi.

          • tigeraid

            fffffuckinnnnn typo.

          • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

            Hahaha. Hey, it’s Sabbath, bro!

      • TrickleDownOvTacoKvltRiff

        Word brother…fucking word! Speak the fucking truth.

    • HOT TAKE: Dio is a better singer but his material never really did much for me.

      • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

        Solo or Sabbath?

        • Either one, to be honest. His style just doesn’t work for me. I’ve tried!

          • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

            All good. So, no Rainbow either?

          • I never really gave Rainbow a shot. I’ll add them to the queue.

          • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

            Rainbow- Rising. Do it.

          • Nina Osegueda

            Oh my god Rainbow Rising.. that shit is solid gold amazing and fuck everyone everywhere who might possibly disagree.

          • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

            AGREED!

          • Paddlin’ Rites ov Beargod

            WHERE WAS YOUR STAR
            WAS IT FAR, WAS IT FAR, WAS IT FAR
            WE BUILY A TOWER OF STONE, WITH OUR FLESH AND BONE

          • tigeraid
          • PostBlackenedWhaleGaze

            I’M THE MAN ON THE SILVER MOOOUNTTAAAAAINNNNN.

            Yeah, I fucking love Rainbow (Dio-era).

          • Janitor Jim Duggan

            The first three Rainbow albums are god tier. Anything past Down To Earth is filler.

          • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

            Once Dio left, Rainbow died eternally.

          • Janitor Jim Duggan

            I do like Graham Bonnet but I prefer his work with Alcatrazz. Joe Lynn Turner was not a good choice. My dad saw Rainbow with him and hated it.

          • JJD, please. Bent Out of Shape w/ Joe Lynn Turner on vox is amazing.

          • Janitor Jim Duggan

            Not a giant fan of that album. If I had to pick one i like i’d pick Straight Between The Eyes.

          • Scrimm
          • Ted Nü-Djent ™

            #ittakescourage

      • Nina Osegueda

        I feel the complete opposite.

      • Mandatory JOE IS A POSER

      • tigeraid

        Poser confirmed.

      • Scrimm

        Dammit Joe

    • tigeraid

      Now THERE’S the hot take. Dio for the fucking win.

    • Randall’s Sweaty Space Pants

      Dio benefits from the fact that he was so non-threatening and boring as fuck.

      I’ll take Dr. Rockso the Cocaine Clown Ozzy over Vanilla Dio any day of the week.

    • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

      Ozzy’s solo career after Randy is rough….

    • Scrimm

      YES

  • Akira Watts

    Scientifically better != I prefer to listen to it.

    Give me ditch weed any day of the week.

  • Eliza

    While I do think that Ozzy’s solo work in the 80’s and early 90’s was good, I’d lie if I said I like it more that Sabbath. Except the albums right after the Dio era. I don’t care about those.

  • Mosh Hoff

    Well I never!! This outrages me in places of my body where I thought I could not feel such hatred!

    For shame, ye cuck, for shame!!!!

  • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

    The first sixth Sabbath albums are fucking mandatory.

  • This Hot Take week is becoming more and more interesting and I’m feeling a certain human feeling that I can’t comprehend.

    http://www.angrymetalguy.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Mustaine-300×173.png

  • Dubbbz

    Imagine a world where you didn’t hear Crazy Train at every sporting event. A world where that song, perhaps the most iconic metal riff ever written, only played every once in a while. Wouldn’t that bring a tear to your eye? We don’t deserve such a world.

  • Randall’s Sweaty Space Pants

    This is a hot take that is heckin’ siqq.

    • Randall’s Sweaty Space Pants

      Seriously agree that those Ozzy solo albums shaped a big chunk of the 80s metal sound. Every hair metal band on the Strip owed their “success” to those albums.

      90% of Van Halen material sounds like a variation of Flying High Again.

  • Anything Dio did >>>> anything Ozzy did

    • But, Ozzy was in Austin Powers Goldmember.

    • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

      Damn it Randall.

    • Randall’s Sweaty Space Pants

      Seriously ban Randall.

      • DOWNVOTED

        • *Sighs*……is this a McNulty/Gorak type situation?

          • ME GORAK!!!™

            LIKE RANDALL THOR & SWEATY SPACE PANT CLEARLY 2 PEOPLE & NOT 1???

          • “clearly”

    • Nina Osegueda

      <3

    • tigeraid

      Greatest of all TIMES.

    • Scrimm

      Absolutely correct

    • Dagon

      THIS IS WHY YOU LIKE POWER METAL

      AKA YOURE ALWAYS WRONG

    • Janitor Jim Duggan

      Tony Martin is underrated.

      • Who?

      • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

        Good point, that era is very underrated and obscure.

        • Janitor Jim Duggan

          I agree. Forbidden may be the drizzling shits but I love Eternal Idol and Headless Cross.

          • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

            Forbidden is weak, and universally panned. Headless Cross is rad album, not really a fan of Eternal Idol. Wasn’t that Hughes singing on that one?

          • Janitor Jim Duggan

            Tony Martin’s first was Eternal Idol.

  • Señor Jefe El Rosa

    I’m sorry what?
    https://youtu.be/CJgHn7MeAwc

    • Randall’s Sweaty Space Pants

      Time to get with the time, gramps.

      • Señor Jefe El Rosa

        Get off my lawn or prepare to DIE BY STEEL!!!

  • Paddlin’ Rites ov Beargod

    Lol, this is a colon-scintillating one.
    Almost hurt my butt on this one, Ozzy’s such a sad oerson in all the wrong ways I couldn’t agree with thes ehot takes like yesterday.

  • Dubbbz
    • Mosh Hoff

      The harmonized solo towards the end still gives me chills.

      • Dubbbz

        Blizzard of Ozz is a masterpiece, dude.

        • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

          No Bone Movies is filler.

    • Señor Jefe El Rosa
    • King Shit of Fuck Mountain
      • Dubbbz

        I just realized that I may not actually own this album physically. I need to check.

        • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

          Dude.

          • Dude right

          • Dubbbz

            This is a strange feeling. I dunno how that happened as I’ve listened to the album so many times. Well, time to fix it.

          • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

            You need that on vinyl and cd, like me, bro!

  • Howard Dean

    Real talk: Did Janitor Jim ever get his interview with Tony Martin?

    • Dubbbz

      He did not.

      • Howard Dean

        Dang. I was seriously pulling for him to land it. That would have been surreal.

  • tigeraid

    NO. No a thousand times no. You take that BACK.

    Dio Sabbath, however > Ozzy Sabbath.

    • This opinion is wildly incorrect. Please fix it.

    • Dagon

      FUCK NO

    • more beer

      Not even close to the right answer.

  • Eliza

    I love this comment section.

  • slipjackthewanderer

    Good article with some great points but at the end of the day I’m fine with never listening to Blizzard of Ozz again.

  • Abradolf Lincler

    is it okay for me to not have a strong opinion?

    • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

      Limper the better, I always say.

      • Abradolf Lincler

        wut dat means

      • Dagon

        Pushing rope is a lifestyle

        • Guacamole Jim

          /ded

    • tigeraid

      NO MODERATES. GTFO.

  • Pentagram Sam

    Dig the Hot Take format man. Gets discussions going and having a bit of fun too.

    Random thoughts on the Ozzy / Dio thing.

    No one ever mentions just how horribly shit-tastically shitty Technical Ecstasy and Never Say Die are.

    When talking about Dio Sabbath even Dehumanizer is given alot of “fuck yeas”, no one says “Keep Calm and listen to only H&H n Mob Rules”

    Ozzy Sabbath when it was good was fucking good.

    Ozzy Sabbath when it was bad was fucking bad

    But, asked people I worked with and others why Black Sabbath is always thought of as OZZY’S FIRST BAND, TONI ONNIE? BITES OFF BAT HEADS. TV SHOW. SHAAAAAROOOON

    and they basically said the TV show and older people said the crazy antics of the band in the day made him infamous.

    Ozzy has a great voice that spearheaded metal that was led mainly by Tony Iommi and Geezer Butler. When he was solo he managed to find other insanely great musicians to support him. I can say the same about many singers, but Ozzy was the first and is a muy importante vato. Can’t imagine anyone else belting out Symptom Of The Universe and Supernaut.

    • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

      Well, the first six albums was the point. I would say Never Say Die is better than Technical Ecstasy.

    • Señor Jefe El Rosa

      Never Say Die is good, you just have to get used to the different sound.

  • While I respect Black Sabbath’s contribution to music, I have no desire to hear their music or anything prior to around 1995.

  • Bill Ward >>>>>>>>>>>>>

    That’s my serious contribution to this.

    • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

      Good fucking man!

    • Señor Jefe El Rosa

      FEATURE THIS COMMENT!!!

      • ME GORAK!!!™

        FEATURE BOSS COMMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • Howard Dean

          Featured Comment (for Gorak):

    • Dagon

      + Geezer

      • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

        + Tony, the ONLY constant member! Oh and the fucking RIFFS!

        • Dagon

          *riff*

  • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

    In the end bitching about Sabbath in any context is dumb. It’s fucking SABBATH!

    • Señor Jefe El Rosa

      FEATURE THIS COMMENT TOO!!!

    • Guacamole Jim

      Serious question: as a very occasional Sabbath listener, where should I start if I wanted to get into them more? (I know this comment makes me a poser, but holy hell if you hadn’t figured that out yet, there’s no hope for you.)

      • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

        All good Jim. I’ve always been the type to start with the first album. Also you said occasional, so what have you heard? More Ozzy, more Dio, different lineup, etc.? I’d be happy to help!

        • I back this up.

          A second choice could be Paranoid, of course. But, I agree with King this time.

        • Guacamole Jim

          Basically my entire exposure has been what has come across the radio when I’ve worked construction labour, so singles and the like. I’ll definitely pick up the first album, but any other recommendations?

          • Dagon

            The first four albums are seminal in their own right. Definitely do not skip paranoid or master of reality.

          • I knew you would say Master of Reality <3

          • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

            Everyone should. HEAVY IS HEAVY!

          • Dagon

            How could I say a different record? Half of what I listen to is Master of Reality, the other half is My War.

          • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

            First six for sure and the Dio era. You’ll be busy for a while.

          • Guacamole Jim

            Excellent. Gracias! I think I know what I’ll be doing for the next week.

          • Dagon

            I wish I could hold your hand while you do it

          • Guacamole Jim

            I’ll message u bb <3

          • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

            Sure. Sabbath will always have a special place in my dark, horrid heart. Been listening to them consistently since I was 12. Saw the original lineup 5 times (YES WITH BILL FUCKING WARD!).

          • Guacamole Jim

            Oh man, I don’t even know them well and I’m jealous. He’s one of those drummers (like Keith Moon) who I’d have loved to see play.

          • Dagon

            Jelly

          • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

            Twice in 99, 2001, 2004, and 2005.

          • Dagon

            I need to go to their concert in BRASIL this year.

          • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

            Probably should, since it’s the end!

          • I like Volume 4 the best

          • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

            Good choice, take out Changes and FX and it’s perfect!

  • ME GORAK!!!™

    GORAK DO ENJOY DIO TAKE ON SABBATH!!!!!! MOAR THAN ALMOST ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!
    https://youtu.be/qYZiqVElJLE

  • Dagon

    The answer is in your heart and nostrils.

  • My weird human feels time is over. So, with a cold head, I go with this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz3v7-KW6bo

    Such a fine singer and frontman; and the riffs goes so high. DIO is so majestic! It goes much with my own musical vibes.

  • My Hot Take. Inquisition is one of the most over hyped bands currently. I don’t see what the big fuss is all about. Kill me with your pathetic words.

    • I’ve never listened to them, lolz.

    • HOT TAKE: I agree

    • Dagon

      They have great hair though

    • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

      AGREED!

    • Randall’s Sweaty Space Pants

      FROG VOCALS >>>>> ALL ELSE

      • Lol

      • frozengoatsheadupanunsarse

        I’m not massive on Inquisition but I friggin’ love the vocals.

        • *froggin’ love the vocals.

          • frozengoatsheadupanunsarse

            Well played sir.

    • “Over hyped” isn’t a real thing tho.
      Any time somebody claims that, it literally just means what you summarized. “I don’t see what the big fuss is all about”……

      I don’t like Five Finger Death Punch, so to me they are over hyped.

      I fucking LOVE Lazer/Wulf, so to me they are under hyped.

      • Well, I like a lot of bands that are over-hyped. Mgla I guess being one of them in the Black Metal scene. Inquisition is one band that I just can’t grasp. People love them and all I hear is a shittier sounding Immortal.

        • ME GORAK!!!™

          IT SOUND LIKE IMMORTAL HAVING ST ANGER MOMENTS!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • Perhaps Mgla is hyped just the right amount? I’m sorry to admit that years ago I may have labeled them as over hyped…but in all honesty they’re very good. Every now and then metal appears to be a meritocracy.

          • I just hate Inquisition. Not going to get philosophical with it. My Hot Take.

          • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

            Inquisition fucking sucks!

      • Joaquin Stick

        Lazer/Wulf>>>>

    • The BM duo from Columbia? I enjoy their music but is anyone really hyping them?

    • Dave Vincent’s Perm

      The *other* blog tried to call them out on saying some shit and any publicity is good publicity I guess

  • Dagon

    Blonde Cokefiend Ozzy has a special place in my heart and just this week I was bumping my Tribute CD I found in a drawer here at my hometown.

    With that said, FOH. Nothing trumps early Sabbath. That is all.

  • Ozzy improved a lot his singing when he went out of Sabbath and the guitar players he had always kicked ass. I also dig this song so much when it’s not played by Zakk “Locos Pinch Harmonics” Wylde:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc_-qPcJbQ0

    • Guppusmaximus

      Zakk bastardized Vivian Campbell’s sound. Try not to hate him for it 😛

  • Stockhausen

    This take is hot. Quite hot indeed. Mmm. Yes. Quite.

  • Guppusmaximus

    I think Heaven & Hell is a phenomenal album considering the founding, signature vocalist was gone. Seriously, how many bands can you name that went through a change like that and still released a kick ass album that wasn’t trying to be its former self but still had the power, passion & musicianship?!

    However, I was ecstatic when RJD pursued his solo career because those albums were superior to his Sabbath years. No offense, Roads was one of the best for his time but, imho, Vivian Campbell was better. Zakk Wylde’s gimmick (fugging pinch harmonic city) was made possible by the first two DIO albums. Ozzy’s solo work was fantastic till “Holy Diver’ hit the scene then it was Goodbye to Romance…

    • tigeraid

      I can agree with this.

  • Stockhausen

    LASH OUT AT ME: Black Sabbath, nearly all solo Ozzy, and nearly all Dio do nothing for me.

  • frozengoatsheadupanunsarse

    If not for ice hockey “kick-ass athletic event” would be a contradiction in terms. More to the point, Paranoid is one of the best albums ever and I’m not that fussed about Sabbath or Ozzy after that.

  • Janitor Jim Duggan

    This article is a violently hot take. Ozzy may have done Blizzard Of Ozz and Ultimate Sin but Black Sabbath is stil better.

    • Guppusmaximus

      Besides the title track & ‘Killer of Giants’, that album doesn’t make a great defense for Ozzy’s solo career…

      • Janitor Jim Duggan

        I think it’s his most underrated album. It’s the opus of Jake E Lee. He will never equal it.

  • RustyShackleford

    This take is HOT and THAT’S THE WAY I LIKE IT!!! YEP!!

  • Waynecro

    This take is scorching hot to be sure, yet I’m totally indifferent. I will say this: A band I was in back in the day covered both “Paranoid” and “Crazy Train”; however, we were really covering Megadeth’s cover of “Paranoid.”

  • The Tetrachord of Archytas

    This woulda been my hot take as a young lad mostly interested in shredding for sure, but something about the overall vibe/atmosphere of Sabbath has propelled it to at least equal in my eyes/ears

  • The Mighty Thorange

    I love both Ozzy and Dio era Sabbath and Ozzy’s solo stuff until No More Tears. Awesome article with a lot of great points though but all I am able to take away from this is how fucking awesome that Crazy Train marching band cover is.

  • Max

    This is easy, because what we quite clearly have here is a battle between riffs (Iommi) and leads (Rhoads et al).

    Leads are fleeting. Riffs are foundational.

    • This is a good summation. I still disagree, but good nonetheless.

  • Óðinn

    Meh. I only like the first 4 Ozzy solo albums

  • Ted Nü-Djent ™

    Hot take or accepted truth? I always thought it was the latter

  • Óðinn