Discussion: Does Being a Musician Make You More of an “Internet Music Elitist”?

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Today I want to pose a question: Does being a musician automatically makes you more of an “Internet Music Elitist?” Does it? Does it affect you? Are you an elitist? Let us all put on our zzzzzzzzzzzz approved Tin Foil Agenda 21 Caps and take a stab at it!

I realize that while some of us are musicians/artists/scratch players it is likely that at least half (or more) of us do not play music instrumentally or vocally in any capacity. Given the inherent split, do you think people who express themselves musically can appreciate musical prowess more so than persons who are not “musical” in any sense? For example: if a guitarist has been playing for many years and has accrued a certain level of  technical proficiency and happens across a hot-grooving Archspire track, does that guitarist project themselves differently to others because “they know what it took” to get to that technical level? Do you even think that a person is able to project such elitism without explicitly saying so? Or can they project it in a different way?

Granted, I realize that persons who are not musical in any capacity can enjoy and appreciate both technical and non-technical music. This fact will not be disputed. What I am getting at is something deeper/more personal that may affect those of us who are musical: our ability to be a dick on the internet. Don’t get me wrong, all people have the inherent  capacity to be a raging understanding commenter on the interwebs. I simply wonder if those of us who are more musically adept are more *eh hem* rude to other peoples’ opinions than those who are not musical.

Regardless, I feel like this question is a bit too broad to be answered with a simple yes or no. It seems to me that it would be quite difficult to uncouple the relationship between those who are more outwardly brazen due to their own musical influence. Factors which could contribute to additional brazenness (not including the potential influence due to their own musical elitism) could include jimmy rustling topics such as why Meshuggah‘s riffs are boring and why power metal is the greatest metal genre. In the advent of such a discussion it seems like it would be nearly impossible to substantiate whether someone was a musical elitist or had simply hit lightspeed-rustling/10 simply by reading their internet comments.

So what do you think? Am I onto something here? Or is there a slight chance that I have taken a bit too much of zzzzzzzzzzzzz’s advice and need to lay off? Are you musically adept and make sure others know it?

Sound off below and lets grind it out!

<3

GL

 

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  • Using myself as an example: yes.

    • Dr. W.’s Tentacles

      Are you sure you aren’t putting the cart before the horse?

  • A Blue Whale’s Used Condom

    Nope, but being a music journalist certainly does in alot of cases (looking at you, Pitchfork!).

    And woohoo, I got the first post! My work on Earth is now complete. *ascends into the sky on a beam of light).

  • Playing in bands made me appreciate and respect playing live and recording a lot more. It takes a lot of effort to create an an album worth of music and play it well enough to put it on an album, even if you’re Emmure playing breakdowns for an hour.

    That said, you’re all posers and I’m going to slay you with steel or something

  • I’m a musician but not a very skilled or intellectually curious one. So no? Still a dick tho.

  • Guacamole Jim

    When you’ve studied music, it is really hard not to have that come through whenever you end up talking about it, in whatever situation (internet, in person, etc). I trust a ticketed welder better than an apprentice, for example. This isn’t to say that an apprentice can’t be just as good, but there is something about education and experience that is inherently trustworthy (for good or ill). I’ve played in a lot of bands, studied a lot of music, and have the ability to jump between styles and instruments – which is all to say that I value my own understanding of music higher than someone who listens casually (or maybe it would be more accurate to say I value my own ability to dissect music above a casual listener, since casual listening is just as important to the accessibility of music as is active listening). I don’t think being able to play any given instrument gives any person the right to be a dick, in person or online, but there is a certain level of inside understanding of the craft that should not be ignored.

    • This is a great response, GJ.

      GL

      • Guacamole Jim

        Thanks GL! ‘Twas a great question, and one that speaks to me personally.

      • Thanks for this discussion, Yí Él!

        ELE ELE.

    • A Blue Whale’s Used Condom

      I’ve had opera training, but thankfully my snobbery has always been at a minimum. Classical and opera students are often times just as bad as cheerleaders or ballerinas when it comes to elitism and cutthroat bullshit.

      • Guacamole Jim

        I’ve run into snobs in all genres. Some of the absolute worst are classical snobs, but jazz snobs are pretty infuriating. One day I’ll put together my taxonomy of musical snobs.

      • more beer

        I have achieved the snobbery trifecta. Beer,Weed & Music. It`s always great when you achieve your goals!

    • How did you learn to music, Guac?

      • Guacamole Jim

        Musical family, basically. I took piano lessons in elementary school, then bought a drum kit in grade 7 and gave up the lessons. Played for years, picked up a plethora of other instruments along the way, eventually went to music college when I graduated.

        • Oh, so it wasn’t like you read a few explanations of theory and scale on the net and were like “Oh, I get it now.” Damn.

          • Guacamole Jim

            hahaha not exactly, though I don’t doubt you could do it that way.

  • Edward/Breegrodamus™

    I’m one of the more laid back people around.

    • Dr. W.’s Tentacles

      I’ll vouch for that.

    • You’re the bestest Eduardo Brigrodamus ever!

    • Do you play any type of instrument? Past or present?

      GL

      • Edward/Breegrodamus™

        I don’t. I am not a musician or a singer. That fact has made writing about music somewhat difficult at times (like the musical components of music, if that makes sense) but it may lend strength to your argument that I’m not a dick, lol

        • Tyree

          I hate you because you don’t play an instrument.

        • This is interesting for me because everyone I know that enjoys “heavy” music or music of any type has all been “musical” at some point in their life. As a scratch musician I just assume everyone is musical in some sense.

          Know what I mean?

          GL

          • Edward/Breegrodamus™

            Wait, no. Everyone you know who enjoys music has been musical at some point?

          • Yes, like my immediate family and close friends.

          • Edward/Breegrodamus™

            Oh, gotcha. I would venture to say I know more people who aren’t musically inclined that really enjoy music than musicians that do, simply because I personally know more non-musicians than musicians.

      • Dr. W.’s Tentacles

        I was in choir in high school and sang in a band for a while. I’d like to think I’m not a dick, but other people here may disagree. Especially Randall.

        • Edward/Breegrodamus™

          Dubya = not a dick or an elitist.

          (awww, look at the community love fest spreading!)

  • Tyree

    Technicality dose not effect me at all. Actually, I’m drawn to more sloppy playing than tight playing. But I am a prick, and I hate a lot of music.

    • Guacamole Jim

      I’ve actually moved in that direction, interestingly enough. I’ve come to enjoy sloppy playing that has energy and life over tight playing that’s triggered to shit and could have just been a computer.

      • Join us in the filth, avocado brother.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cnr8FnuIXIM

        • Tyree

          This is really fucking good.

      • Tyree

        Yupper. It has to feel life it’s an actual human playing the instrument. Flaws are good.

      • My tastes have gravitated more towards anything that is rooted in punk rock. A lot of times the energy and intensity of it is more important than how well it is played.

        • Dr. W.’s Tentacles

          I’ve gotten less and less oriented to songs built around “the riff” and more towards atmosphere and feel.

          • Dean the P.I. Staker

            I did the opposite. 6-7 years ago I was a lot more into atmospheric metal. The Ruins of Beverast, Darkspace, Urfaust. Now, I only dabble in that stuff occasionally. The almighty riff and tight songwriting are what I look for now.

          • Slit your goats

            Songwriting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

          • Dr. W.’s Tentacles

            Songwriting is still critically important, but I think bands need more tricks than just a riff.

          • Dean the P.I. Staker

            I think that’s what I’ve been in search of in the last few years, and what is so rewarding when you find it: a band that is so good at riff/songwriting that the riffs carry the music, and give you all the atmosphere you need.

            I definitely dig atmospheric music, too, but sometimes I feel like the artist is trying too hard to manifest an atmosphere with all the bells and whistles, and it just crowds the music and falls flat. I dunno.

            The only thing I’m sure about is that personal tastes can change quite a bit. As I said, I was way into atmospheric stuff a few years ago. Ir rather suddenly fell out of favor. I’d like to pinpoint the band that made that change for me? That would be interesting. I’d have to think.

          • Dr. W.’s Tentacles

            Taste is definitely fluid, and I think that’s something it would be better for each of us to acknowledge. I used to be a lot more into technical death metal, but I grew tired of it because it all started to sound emotionless. Every now and then a band seems to do it right for me, but they are few and far between.

          • Max

            Me too.

    • A Blue Whale’s Used Condom

      Sliding over some Sloppies for ya!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9d8pYMcNd8

    • Guppusmaximus

      I think people are getting over-produced studio magic in ProTools mixed up with Technical proficiency. There’s a big difference between sterile & tight. The difference being that even in the most tight bands you can still hear the Human element.With a technically proficient band It might take a bit more critical listening to hear that element depending on the genre but you can definitely discern sterility without having to analyze too much.

  • You can be a bad person (and suck at everything) regardless if you use the internet/play an instrument/etc.

    What I still don’t get it is the maniac crap of people that read/understand musical theory and bash everyone because feel-like-a-sir.jpg while destroying a composition they don’t like. Those people are the worse, and they thought they have license to bash everyone because they “know”.

    I was in a local gig once. A friend’s band was playing and they’re very good, to me. And some other pal (I respected him because he played in the regional orchestra and gave music teachings) came to me and started: “jejejeje, this dudes are so dumb, every composition is in the same key. Why use so much that C Major key? They don’t know how to read? What a noobs BLABLABLAtheorycrap.mp3BLABLABLA”. I left him talking alone, it was disrespectful, to me; those guys were promoting their record that they financed with everything they had in the worst country to play merol and that guy WENT to the THEIR gig to talk crap.

    That kind of person (kvlt metalhead or kvlt musical theorist) put me on my nerves.

    • I’m both those kinds of people, kill me.

      • I know, but you’re the only one of that crappy people I like. So, you have a #LinkPass. Enjoy it.

    • A Blue Whale’s Used Condom

      This goes out to him and people like him who go to shows just to bitch/heckle/throw things/start shit.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqP76XWHQI0

    • I think it was @joethrashnkill:disqus who put it best when he said music is art, not an equation.

      • I don’t think I said that but it sounds smart as fuck!

      • JWG

        Differential Equations: the Musical.

        I’d pay to see that.

  • ChuggaChuggaDeedleyDoo

    I’m not an elitist. I just think a metal band is worthless and needs to be summarily put to death if they can’t play sweep arpeggios, odd time signatures, crazy tapping riffs, and are not capable of shredding these things at at least 18 notes per second at the bare minimum.

    You might be able to Chugga Chugga but you MUST DeedleyDoo to be worth a shit.

    and all you “song writing” aficionados can fuck the fuck off!!!!!!! That shit is more useless than nipples on a man

    Shred>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

  • RustyShackleford

    I play guitar (like everyone else pretty much) but don’t play metal, so I don’t think I ever have an elitist views about metal musicianship cause that ain’t my jam. I have stuff that I like/dislike that’s definitely based on my experiences playing, but I don’t think I’m elitist about it. Could be wrong though. Yep.

  • HessianHunter

    People who spend more time listening to and analyzing music are going to end up more opinionated. I am a drummer so I’m especially critical of drummers, but I also spend a whole lot of time listening to guitar players and definitely have opinions about certain kinds of riffs, solos, etc. I don’t think a musician necessarily pays closer attention than a non-musician, but it certainly helps.

    Abour being a dick, though? P sure musicians are dicks. Dixxxxxxx

  • Scrimm

    Yes.

  • sweetooth0

    I think the following excerpt from the Nuclear Abominations webzine pretty much sums up how I feel about listing to metal and not being a musician:
    “I certainly don’t regret never having learnt how to play an instrument,
    that’s probably the only part of the whole extreme music ecosystem that I
    never got familiar with, and I am happy with that. Music still sounds
    like some weird magic to me, and I am grateful for that or else I’ll be
    just doing my stupid strongman routines with other bisons in the gym
    today. But, luckily, I can still put on records and note down some riffs
    and some nasty bridges, and thanks the gods below, I have no clue
    what’s really going on there. I completely ignore the technical name
    for that trick or that sound. Some time ago I read a line by a guy who
    said “Metal should not be self aware”. Well I don’t care much for Metal
    in general, but the guy was completely right. I hack systems for work,
    it’s my job. I wirk in IT. But this is a system I don’t want to know any more details about, I like it to be a black box.”

    I look at it in sort of the same way as knowing too much about a band’s identity. One of the main reasons I like extreme metal is because it sounds inhuman. I much prefer not knowing anything about a band and just having my imagination picture the vocalist as some sort of monster or demon than finding out it’s just some regular dude who works at a gas station on the side. Knowing exactly how music is played and recorded kind of diminishes the mystique in the same way in my mind.

    That said, I did always want to learn to play guitar, but I just don’t have the time to devote to that kind of hobby.

    • I’m totally down with that feeling. I learned how to do some 3D modeling and animation in college and it’s kinda sucked the magic out of video games for me for the same reason. Now I can understand most of the technical aspects behind the magic and that makes it a little less of a immersive experience. I felt the same way with music when I began to learn bass, but with both of those, what the professionals produce is still of such high quality that it blows my mind.

      • sweetooth0

        I find that when you are someone who does the same thing as someone else (be it part of a trade, a musician listing to music, and artist looking at art) you tend to focus more on the “how it was made” as opposed to just appreciating the final product. I like to draw and paint and stuff and I constantly find myself looking at how a piece was created and I have to somewhat force myself to simply appreciate the finished piece.

        • I have a similar problem when it comes to life in general. My greatest attribute is the ability to analyze problems and my worst attribute is the ability to analyze problems. I have a hard time shutting my brain off long enough to actually sit back and enjoy something….

          • Vladimir Poutine

            Exactly the same here. It might not be entirely reducible to “ignorance is bliss”- for example, I enjoy cooking much more now that I actually can do it proficiently- but these oversized primate brains seem to have contributed as much to the human race’s problems as to its triumphs.

    • Huggy Bear OH YEAH

      Never really thought about it and only just realised that’s so true. I don’t become disinterested in the kinds of riffs I love and know how to play, but when I hear some sounds I can’t explain (or some melodies I can’t place on the fretboard) it’s as if an additional part of a brain flares up! But I’m the exact opposite on bands. Being able to imagine the people in the band (as if it’s a music video) will keep me much more interested in any given record than just having them be the Another Super-Technical Wizard Who Can Play Much Better Than I Could In A Hundred Years NPC. Don’t you get that “well, their music is good, very good even, but where’s the character to help me actually identify it as a band and not as an mp3?” I rarely can feel the peopleness in electronic music, too.)

      • sweetooth0

        Sometimes it’s cool to know more about the people in a band for sure. Even cooler when you meet them, but it changes how I look at the music. Different kinds of appreciation I guess. I think it also depends on genre. For example, it’s less damaging to say a thrash metal band to know about the members than in say a raw black metal band, at least in my mind anyway.

  • RustyShackleford

    Musician elitists be all like

    • Who’s that guy? I saw him in a lot of pictures and memes :S

        • Guacamole Jim

          The role he was born to play.

      • RustyShackleford

        He’s a character in the movie The Big Lebowski!! Super hilarious.

        • Never watched that film. It’s a comedy?

          • RustyShackleford

            Yeah! It is weird as hell too, but super fun. Somewhat of like a cult classic in the U.S.

          • So, that’s why I didn’t catched it. I will try to watch it.

          • there MIGHT be language barrier issues, but it is my favorite comedy of all time… wait, nevermind it’s tied with Ghostbusters.

          • Sir Tapir the Based™

            Monty Python and the Holy Grail >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

          • oh yeah, sometimes i forget about those (age maybe). Life of Brian > Holy Grail

          • Sir Tapir the Based™

            I like Holy Grail quite a lot more. Could be because it was the first Monty Python movie I saw.

          • Lacertilian

            they’ve all been my fave at one stage but these days it’s The Meaning Of Life.
            @James_Jimmy_Mcnulty:disqus should do it instead of Tron when your caps flourish

          • Dean the P.I. Staker

            You need to watch it. Now.

          • Okkk.

          • Óðhinn

            Seriously? Watch it.

          • Yeah, sometimes we don’t get all that american stuff like most of us we can think. Thanks for the recommendation.

          • Dr. W.’s Tentacles

            Watch it more than once.You’ll probably be very confused and hate it the first time.

  • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

    I play guitar. You’re all stupid.

    • Going to the quad and playing Stairway to pick up freshmen chicks doesn’t count!

      • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

        “Quad”

  • Dr. W.’s Tentacles

    I think there’s a bit of snobbery that comes from any craft you’ve spent a significant amount of time learning.

    • Guacamole Jim

      Go back to your robot cars, nerd.

    • Hope snobbery doesn’t means that it’s a license to hurt other feelings 🙁 Because I don’t like that.

      • Dr. W.’s Tentacles

        It certainly shouldn’t be.

    • Yeah but can some one really be like “Atilla sucks total buttz” when they do not play an instrument/vocals at all????

      GL

      • Yes.

        • For the record I am in no way defending them – I just want to see everyone’s response.

          GL

          • A Blue Whale’s Used Condom

            Don’t hide your love for them. *opens the locker*

      • I can’t cook to save my worthless life but I like food. I can tell the difference between veal and dog shit.

      • Dr. W.’s Tentacles

        I think you can develop skill and discernment as a critic as well.

      • Shrimp in a Pizza Box

        You can’t say they suck technically, but you can absolutely say that they suck at composition.

      • That’s why I’m trying to delete those kind of languages from my communication and replace it with a simple “I don’t like”.

      • My problem with those guys is they are punchable white trash. I don’t blame them for sucking, I blame their fans for being stupid enough to listen to them.

      • A Blue Whale’s Used Condom

        They unleashed not only their music on the world, but now they’re bringing It Lives It Breathes’ brand of horrifying suckage to the world. Forget punching them in the face, I’d rather slide bicycle spokes down their spinal cords like they do in South Africa.

      • No. plz hear me out:
        said person can say “i h8 that band” but not “they are horrible”. so long as it is known that it’s just his or her opinion and not stated fact… that’s where the musician comes in!

    • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

      “doctor”

      • Dr. W.’s Tentacles

        “King”

        • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

          “touche”

  • As someone who used to play an instrument (played bass poorly) and who sang in a hardcore band, I don’t go out of my way to criticize playing. Vocals are another story, they are the 5th or 6th instrument in a band and they are the element that ties your whole compostion together. If they suck, then that vocalist has ruined the rest of the group’s work and I sometimes let that be known.

    • A Blue Whale’s Used Condom

      *cough Periphery cough*

      • Spear

        See, that’s more a matter of personal taste than actual skill.

        • A Blue Whale’s Used Condom

          Nope, the vocals take a huge honking dump on the compositions. #truthbaby!

      • I don’t care for them but he can actually sing so it’s hard to shit on them for that.

  • nbm02ss

    I’m a guitar hobbyist. Anxiety pretty much ensures I’ll never be able to play in front of any sizable crowds, but before I picked up the instrument I felt like I was a far more elitist turd than I am now. I found an appreciation of many other musical genres that I didn’t before, like bluegrass.

    • I am extremely humbled watching bluegrass pickers shred. There is some seriously underrated talent there!

      • A Blue Whale’s Used Condom
        • Tyree

          This movie was fucked.

          • A Blue Whale’s Used Condom

            Definitely not the feel good movie of the year, but it’s still Jennifer Lawrence’s first and best one.

  • Guppusmaximus

    I don’t think experience playing an instrument really makes that big of a difference. It’s called having a trained ear and anyone can acquire it if they care about music beyond the “entertainment” factor. Even musicians can be inexperienced if they haven’t actually listened to a lot of music or haven’t played an instrument for very long. Now, obviously, playing the guitar would allow you to understand what notes the recorded guitarist is playing but, nowadays, with this interwebs thing i think you could probably learn that pretty quickly without having to physically play the guitar…. Just my .02 – And, great discussion:)

  • Guys, this is a great discussion. I appreciate all the thorough responses.

    GL

    • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

      Mine has to be the best and most thought out.

      • I would not disagree with your self analysis, friend.

        GL

        • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

          Hahaha. You said friend.

          • “Regional” friends. Don’t forget we live 2.5 hours away from each other, buddy.

            GL

          • Tyree

            Creepy.

          • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

            Yeah, really cunting creepy.

          • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

            Stalker.

          • I would send you a box full of kittens if I had your address. One of kittens would have a wireless camera on it to record the smile that would break out when 5 gray bundles of joy come plopping out of the box.

            GL

          • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

            Fuck, would that bum me out. Not a cat person, allergies.

          • How about snakes? I have lots of those too.

            GL

          • Dr. W.’s Tentacles

            1. Cut a hole in the box. 2 Put your snake in the box.

          • A Blue Whale’s Used Condom
          • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

            No, just a box of nothing. Not a cunting thing.

          • A Blue Whale’s Used Condom

            We’ll just mail the Tapir over and let him snuggle away your pain.

          • Ehhh… o.o)

  • Paris Hilton

    My experience with musicians is similar to those I know in different combat sports. Usually, the better and more successful they are, the less likely they are to be elitist and brag about their superiority. Little dogs bark the most!

    • Maik Beninton

      Most likely because they know what bands have to go through to get where they’re at.

      • Paris Hilton

        True! That level of respect goes a long way! Metalheads (this also applies to general music fans)- please listen out of painful experience, knowing like a billion obscure death metal bands is NOT an accomplishment!! Literally no one cares, and it doesn’t make you look like a deep thinker, just someone with way too much time on his hands. Enjoy what you want and do you!

        • Finding obscure underground music is nothing when all you have to do is tap-tap-tappy on a keyboard for an hour. You’re right: being hip to some obscure underground stuff is literally nothing now. It *may* have meant Metal Cred decades ago but not now.

    • A Blue Whale’s Used Condom

      Your little dog isn’t barking anymore! *runs for my life*

  • EsusMoose

    Having attempted drums, guitar, bass and small amount of other things, at one point I did think I got more out of music and that my taste is better. I realized later I was just an arrogant prick and just focused on a different aspect in music (my taste>>>>>others). I am drawn to the instrumental side of things and only in the last year really have started to focus on the vocal side of things so more genres have more appealing aspects.
    The level of elitism comes from many aspects, mine came from a sense of superiority that I’ve long since challenged. This is probably coherent, unrelated Painted Wives is fucking fantastic

  • zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    true computer world revolution—–as everywhere abounds—

    the study–by 911 truthers—-showing an entire world govt—as liars and murderers—

    with no checks and balances of power—

    a cult of bitchasses

    shiteaters

    as mental denial and lies gives way—–to the events of 10-10-01—and a false flag attack

    showing fake pakistani passports —-and bombs—-on would be fake middle eastern “terrorists”—who were actually mexican sleeper agents

    attacking the mexican congress –and reported on all world non u.n. controlled media-

    and withdrawn from u.s. media after half a day—a deliberate media coverup—to support the 911 false flag attack agenda–to begin the mideast war—and assault america
    —-
    google the fuck out of it

    • Maik Beninton

      I don’t know what you just said but you said it boy.

      • I feel like all those truther people just talk you in circles long enough for you to completely forget what in the hell they were originally trying to convey.

        GL

        • A Blue Whale’s Used Condom

          Sounds like all overly political types, actually. Except for your favorite Supreme Leader For Life.

    • Guacamole Jim

      What happened on 10-10-01?

      • zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

        10-10-01
        mexican natl congress building—-attacked by “mossad’ agents—caught with bombs and fake pakistani passports—

        thwarted by mexican police—reported worldwide—withdrawn on all pro u.n. media–after about half a day(cnn)

        the “mossad” thing does not mean “israel”—the u.n. can use whatever agency—from member states—-depending on the leadership
        —–
        destruction of entire fake world media paradigm–

        a strange time

        • Dean the P.I. Staker

          I could tell you more about this. I have some classified docs I’m willing to shop. But they’re going to cost you.

    • Paris Hilton

      zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, do you believe in true love? Do you think all of us have a soulmate out there somewhere?

  • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

    When he gets to 1000, my dick explodes. It’s just white noise at that point. Fucking dumb.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHIxxH7_g9U

    • Tyree

      Dumb like this. So stupid, he’s just tapping the bass drum.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ks5k6fqgTSE

      • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

        Contests, battle of the bands, humans. It’s all dumb.

        • Tyree

          Well put.

      • A Blue Whale’s Used Condom

        Krisiun’s drummer can probably play bass drums that quick, all while doing a billion other things, while still having rhythm and melody to it.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESwg4aG5AR0

        • Tyree

          Yeah, Max goes hard.

    • JAJAJAJAJA! In 1000 BPM just sounds: BRRRRRRRRRRRRR pium pium pium!

      That’s so useless.

      • A Blue Whale’s Used Condom

        We call that The Yngwie Syndrome, where a bazillion notes and no emotion is the name of the game.

        • Guppusmaximus

          Oh come on…. such a tired argument. If you can’t hear the emotion on Rising Force then I don’t know what to tell you.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1Va1F1dQWo

          • A Blue Whale’s Used Condom

            Not all of his songs are like that, just the vast majority. Rising Force is a kickass CD, but after that, not quite so much.

          • Guppusmaximus

            I agree that a good amount of his later work got out of control but when he was at his fastest & most proficient (w/ Alcatrazz, Steeler, this solo album)he also incorporated the most emotion. He really was a pioneer on the axe and (not directed at you) I’m tired of that myth that his style does not contain any emotion….

          • Óðhinn

            Yup. Malmsteen peaked in 1984. Since then, he’s just a hero to a bunch of sad guitar wankers and 1980s power metal purists.

          • Guppusmaximus

            ♫ Youuu Know it’s saad but truueewooh ♫

            He’s still a hero to me…

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGzLLpa5XoE

          • Óðhinn
          • Guppusmaximus

            That’s cool if you don’t like it. Cute cat pic,btw.

          • Óðhinn

            We can agree on the cat. 🙂

    • A Blue Whale’s Used Condom

      LMAO, most of it sounds like Atari music for a haunted house.

  • Not pertinent to the discussion but – how did the Independence Day band video breakdown/thing from yesterday get almost 1400 views???? Dang!

    GL

    • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

      People like shit?

    • hey, I laughed and shared! :O

    • Call it the Attila factor.

    • Óðhinn

      I kind of ignored that post until now. Just listened to the embedded track. It’s terrible.

  • Óðhinn

    Music is about more than shredding. It’s about songwriting. I remember seeing a quote from Kurt Ballou where he said that he saw himself as a songwriter more than a guitarist. That’s the right attitude to have in my opinion.

    Being someone who thinks music is just about shredding in a douchey
    Archspire way doesn’t make you elite. It makes you a douchebag. It’s the
    artistic equivalent of bro culture, and thus any claims of being elite
    are false. Shredding for the sake of shredding is boring. It’s musical
    masturbation. Do it where nobody else has to hear your wankery.

    http://images1.houstonpress.com/imager/u/745xauto/6768882/masturbation_semen.jpg

    • I sense you may be receiving an invitation to the interrogation room soon

      • A Blue Whale’s Used Condom

        No, that’s the University Of Michigan, not Penn State. *drumroll*

  • Dean the P.I. Staker

    Unrelated, but has anyone checked out Terratur Possessions new web store? It’s fucking sweet. No more ordering by email! Check it out and buy some awesome shit:

    http://terraturpossessions.com

    • Tyree

      Woah. Sick man, thanks for the update.

      • Dean the P.I. Staker

        No problem. I’ve been checking their site hoping for the new store for weeks now. They have a couple CDs I was eager to order, and they weren’t taking new orders until the new store went up. Between that and checking Norma Evangelium Diaboli every day for updates (no news from them in over a year now, bummer), I felt like a kid with OCD at Christmas, just waiting to get disappointed again.

        • Tyree

          I’m browsing through it now and yes, this is way better. There is a lot I want to pick up here but will refrain from doing so.

          • Dean the P.I. Staker

            You’re saving for MDF, right? Very jealous. Would love to go some day. Don’t know if I ever will.

          • Tyree

            Yeah, it takes a lot of will power not to spend any money right now, but it will be worth it.

  • Slit your goats

    Songwriting is king. I think People that learn an instrument only to impress others usually quit out of frustration.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61LZKhBgDso

  • Mother Shabubu III 12 BRICKS

    Does yelling shit into a microphone count as being a musician? Or playing drums even though the timing is like a rusted fan belt?

    • Yes and yes!

      GL

    • Guppusmaximus

      Didn’t Nirvana get popular by doing that?! *Ba-Dum-Boom-Tiss*
      I’m here all week… Try the Thonk (Michael Manring)

  • Damn right this $2000 set of golf clubs makes me a scratch golfer.

  • Nine Inch Males

    If anything, being a musician has diminished my appreciation for technicality. It doesn’t take a brain or talent to play technically challenging stuff, just hours of doing the same thing every day. There’s also the fact that, more often than not, the things that are really hard to pull off do not sound hard, and vice versa. That ridiculous solo is probably very idiomatic for the instrument.

    I do think being a musician cultivates a better listening ability.

    And fuck everyone who talks about theory and judges bands because of it. Music theory only explains why certain things sound (subjectively) good. It should never be the other way around.

  • Óðhinn

    This guy strokes multiple symbolic penises at the same time.

    • Diarrhea

      Playing two guitars at the same time = so simple even a caveman can do it.

  • JamesGrimm

    I was an internet elitist before I was a musician.

  • I think it absolutely affects your perception of music. My friend is a skilled drummer and he thinks bands like Veil of Maya are good purely because of their technical skill while I argue that they are boring as shit because they don’t have a single memorable riff and their vocalists sounds like he has been attacked with a urethral rod.

    • Óðhinn

      Veil of Maya are so boring.

  • I play air guitar for archspire

  • so what explains why Tapir is such a dick?

    • Sir Tapir the Based™

      Tapir plays drums, hammered dulcimer and some other random percussive instruments.

      • A Blue Whale’s Used Condom

        What, no keytar? Every Finnish band has keytars, I saw it with my own eyes when I saw Sonata Artica!

        • Sir Tapir the Based™

          I don’t like Sonata Arctica

    • He’s not a Dick, he’s a Tapir.

  • Used to play drums for some bands. I’m definitely kind of a musicprick. But I feel there is no correlation between the two.

  • JWG

    I for one am a musician, but as a “band nerd” of the stereotypical sort.

    I play a woodwind instrument – saxophone (Tenor-to-Bass range) which puts me right out of a regular place in 99% of local bands playing any genre of music other than classical or jazz (and derivatives); because Morphine didn’t make as big an impact on the rock world as I would have liked it to, and none of the local grindcore bands openly cite John Zorn as an influence (which is weird, because every one of them list Napalm Death).

    I guess what I’m saying is that I can be a bit of a dick about some music and some bands people like that just grate on my nerves, but if I have to be an active musician in a related scene in order to have a leg to stand on then I’m definitely legless.

  • Hotdog Clifford

    I’ve been playing guitar for less than a year and it really has helped me appreciate metal more than I did before, but it hasn’t made me an elitist.

  • A Blue Whale’s Used Condom

    I’m officially the biggest musical elitist on earth: if it’s not Yakety Sax, it’s not music!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnHmskwqCCQ

  • J.R.

    I was in a vehicle today wherein my Power Metal was usurped for Meshuggah. My friend knows not with whom he trifles.

    Anyways, I think both the trained experts and the soiled plebeians of any artistic/ expressive field can respect mastery of a craft. The difference comes, in my experience, in being able to engage with the artist beyond the consumption of h(is/er) art. The barrier is mainly one of vocabulary I would think, for as a Pleb myself with many musical friends, I can appreciate a good riff with the best of them, but when those losers get to chatting about notes and tempos and other such witchery….”nah”.

    I have been driving for the last 14 hours, so I hope I answered this coherently.

  • Lacertilian

    Nice one @george_lynch:disqus

  • CyberneticOrganism

    I care less and less about genres, sub-genres and the like with each passing year. If I like it, I’ll listen to it. Picking up a guitar every now & again might have had something to do with it.