Consistency In Music: Marduk vs. Napalm Death

2276
342
Share:

Provided you’re not a child or a corpse, you will recognize the image above this post. Ghostbusters and Ghostbusters 2 are absolutely incredible and important films, not to mention staples of a young McNulty’s childhood. Recently, Ghostbusters 2 was released on Blu-ray and in the time since I’ve seen many critiques of the film. Some people seem to think it’s simply a rehash of the original, superior movie. I say, at least they’re consistent!

Consistency, whether in a positive or negative connotation, is an oft-discussed topic when it comes to heavy metal. How important is consistency in a band’s career? Let’s look at two very recent releases from two major players in the metal community: Frontschwein by Marduk and Apex Predator: Easy Meat by Napalm Death. Both bands are different: black merol (jajajaja) vs. grindcore; yet similar in consistency, career-wise. I expect complete jimmy-rustlage and my opinions could be swayed so you are more than welcome to come at me in the comments, brobocop.

It is with a heavy heart that I FLUSH Marduk’s new album (I am a recent Marduk fan; as I ADORE both Wormwood and Serpent Sermon, and have enjoyed just about every song that I’ve heard prior to those as well). Each song on this album contains an inertia that doesn’t seem to change: riffs are repeated with few progressions, there are NO solos (which are rare for the band, but most welcome), and the drumming is either doomy or blast-beat-y throughout the duration. Half of the songs proceed ahead at breakneck speed, the other half doom me straight to sleepytown. But whether we’re dealing with the slow songs or fast songs, I’m bored. I do want to point out the stand-out track “Doomsday Elite” that does command the listener’s attention for its 8:11 duration; but it’s the exception and not the rule. This is the kind of music which we’re accustomed to, with enough tempo changes and killer riffs. Overall, it isn’t a terrible album, just a very dull one. Marduk are going through the motions in this Detective’s humble opinion. Here, check out one of the tracks and judge for yourself:

On the other hand, Napalm Death have surprised nobody by releasing a non-stop assault on our earholes, with just enough experimentation to separate themselves from the pack (similar to their work on Utilitarian). The songwriting is top-notch, and though it’s familiar death/grind territory there are enough new and mind-spinning riffs to invade our brains. I want to point out special attention to the track “Hierarchies”, which is absolutely spec-flushing-tacular (Spotify it). And they somehow find ways to add small, fresh ingredients to make it all feel interesting, like we aren’t just spinning the release that had come before it. Check out the single, “How the Years Condemn” below; in fact I wouldn’t even label it as grind! I can’t quite place the sub-genre of the track, I just know that it both trills AND rockets:

Both of these new albums remain consistent with their respective band’s recent output; but one gets flushed and one does not. My logic here seems to be contradictory. This is why we need to discuss consistency; is it an important metric when discussing an album? Consistency is a convenient metric (similar to genre) when having a discussion but it is not essential. I don’t like flushing Marduk‘s newest, but I’m definitely not going to give them any slack. Having said that, a few of you are going to slay me with your steel for doing so. Let’s change direction to Napalm Death: I don’t think there is a single poor review of this album (this very site declared it unflushable). Why? Perhaps y’all can help me in the comments section.

Slayer is a band so consistent that it divides fans: group A yells “SLAAAAAAYER!” at other bands’ live performances (behavior I will never quite understand) and group B slams every new release because they’re more-or-less retreading familiar ground. Mastodon and Opeth have been so inconsistent in their discographies that it sparks some very fun and intellectual debates, depending on which blog’s comments you’re reading. It is my opinion that by simplifying the music (the former) or easing off the heavy (the latter), both bands have experienced a decline in quality.

Let’s throw Cannibal Corpse and Iron Maiden into the mix as well. Both bands have their winners and losers (relatively speaking) but both bands’ careers are entirely consistent! In a press release prior to releasing Torture, Pat O’Brien basically said that the new material won’t surprise anybody. He was correct, but the album still slayed! Maiden have their definitive stinkers (I still maintain that the solo in Can I Play With Madness deserves a flush) and fan favorites, but overall we can all agree they’re a brilliant band. If you’re more than a casual fan, however, you can pick apart each album and tick mental check-boxes of what they’re doing differently each time. A Skeletal Domain was on a few top 10 lists from last year, but not many. As a huge Cannibal Corpse fan, I feel like the minutiae of the songwriting on the album did a fantastic job of separating itself from other, recent releases but I also understand how the casual fan could lose this record in the shuffle.

I want to hear your thoughts on two distinct topics in the comments section: A) how important is a band’s career consistency to your opinion of the band and B) do you like Ghostbusters 2? No matter how you feel, I definitely appreciate this porcelain website in which we can discuss topics like these, in an intelligent manner, with friends located all over the globe.

ghostbust.278f

(image via) (image via)

Did you dig this? Take a second to support Toilet ov Hell on Patreon!
  • I prefer Ghostbusters 2 to the original. Fight me.

  • Herr Schmitty

    The answer is Tool. Wait 8 years between albums. Spend 3 of those years actively trolling your fans. Release a new album. 500,000 people will buy it on day one. Profit.

    Oh, and the albums will be fucking fantastic too- after all, you spent 8 years writing and revising them!

    • Flush Tool. Fight me.

      GL

      • Herr Schmitty

        5 ounce MMA gloves or 10 ounce boxing gloves? Meet you outside!

        • Make it a 12 ounce. See you there.

          GL

          http://affotd.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/natty-ice.jpg

          • I would drink the shit out of this.

          • It’s at CostCo, I’m going to pick some up next time I go

          • Have never seen in Texas CostCo. Edge: North Carolina

          • I’ll let you know how it is. Speaking of Carolina, one of my local bands is coming to you middle of March, they put on one of the more entertaining live shows I’ve seen

          • Herr Schmitty

            Sincere realization: I’d rather get punched in the face by someone wearing 12 ounce gloves than drink ANY 12 ounce beers. Beer sucks. Sporting fist fights are great.

            THAT’S RIGHT, BEER SUCKS.

          • You’re competing with Randall Thor for the title of Person with Worst Opinions Ever.

          • Herr Schmitty

            Is this your way of saying that you like beer better than Dimebag and Pantera? Because that’s totally what I’m hearing right there!

          • DDubya.

            I do. I can’t drink Pantera from a red solo cup, can I?

          • #HELLYEAHBROTHER #ROLLCOAL #GITERDONE

          • Thank God you can’t

          • Herr Schmitty
          • DDubya.

            Well hell, bro! Best of both worlds, amirite?

          • Tyree

            Touché you fucker. Dat looks tasty.

          • Nordling Rites ov Kahlua

            Beer is a million times better than Dime or Pantera.

          • Herr Schmitty

            Oh, come now; do you really think that I can’t take your ‘unpopular opinions’ belt?! I bet I can do it in one post!

            Beer is awful.
            So are Power Metal and Black Metal.
            White people are the worst people.
            The southern parts of the United States are where the worst white people are found.
            North Carolina makes subpar barbecue.
            Periphery >>>>>> Cattle Decapitation >>>>>>>>>> Manowar.

          • The difference between us is that you’re obviously trolling, whereas I truly believe that all posers should be slain with mighty steel in the name of true metal. Now get out of here wimp, before I finish polishing my steel

          • Herr Schmitty

            I sincerely believe every last line of the above! I mean it! If looking for proof, scroll my facebook wall- I say some variation of all of those things somewhere in there, minus the North Carolina BBQ one; that was mostly just a custom-tailored zinger in your direction to try to raise some hackles 😉

          • You’ve earned the massive poseur belt more so than the unpopular opinion belt. May it weigh heavy on your soul.

          • Herr Schmitty
          • DDubya.

            Oh lord, he just brought up the keep calm thing.

          • Herr Schmitty

            My tactics are so brilliant that they’re even better than I was aware of.

          • Time for me to kill myself again.

          • Tyree

            Oh God I’m dead again – I’m fucking dead again!!!

          • DDubya.

            Man, I love that song. And that album.

          • Tyree

            That song is so punk, and catchy!

          • You are the worst.

          • Eddie Trunk Jr., Floor Tech

            You can’t outpose me! I am the biggest icon in professional poserdom! Please welcome the leader of the Poser World Order “Hollywood” Eddie Trunk Jr!

          • Eddie Trunk Jr., Floor Tech

            Nope. I am the king of posers!

          • I don’t even remember my coworkers or neighbors names https://notyournanswriting.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/who-are-you-again.gif

          • Herr Schmitty

            Smithwick, man, Smithwick- you know, the unpopular opinions champ! I GOT YO BELT.

          • BLXKKBEXRD

            All us NC folks are extremely disappoint in you. For we know that NC is the trvest BBQ.

          • Herr Schmitty

            As of two minutes ago, your belt became mine. Identity of the messenger removed for their protection!

            “I grant you the belt of unpopular opinions.”
            “The Keep Calm thing put you over the top.”

            The CHAMP. IS. HERE!

          • Forgot to mention, winner gets banned.

          • All according to my plan?

          • Herr Schmitty

            Whether I lurk in secret or bloviate openly, the taint of my presence shall stain the Toilet always!

          • Tyree

            I just took a poopy and wiped my ass with this comment.

          • BLXKKBEXRD

            WHOA GUY, WTF.

          • Agreed but for a couple points. I enjoy some Black Metal, and Cattle Decapitation >>>>>>> Periphery >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Manowar

          • Nordling Rites ov Kahlua

            There is truth to this. Cattle Decap DOES slay Manowar.

          • BEAR. DON’T.

          • BLXKKBEXRD

            I’m most offended by the BBQ comment.

          • You and I both know anyone with a mouth knows NC BBQ >>>>>>>>>>>>>

          • Tyree

            I miss me some NC BBQ.

          • Come visit us, we have plenty to share

          • Tyree

            Awesome Sauce!

          • BLXKKBEXRD

            You’re goddamn right, RT.

          • Doesn’t even matter if it’s vinegar or ketchup based sauce, you’re getting top quality

          • BLXKKBEXRD

            Vinegar-based is the honest way to go. But I will eat either, so long as the shit is fall-off-the-bone smokey goodness.

          • You know I honestly prefer the ketchup based, but I still love me some vinegar based bbq

          • BLXKKBEXRD

            Man, I make a mean fucking vinegar-based hotsauce/bbqsauce. The problem with ketchup-based sauces is that people tend to over-sugar them. Too sweet kills it for me if they go that route, otherwise its fine.

          • Tyree
          • BLXKKBEXRD

            Tyree, I got a gas fryer and a big ol’ package of chicken wings if you wanna come over? =P

          • Tyree

            TOH company picnic/BBQ?

          • BLXKKBEXRD

            Totes down for that. You bring the grind, i’ll bring the rinds

          • Tyree

            Don’t forget the Beer Bro!

          • BLXKKBEXRD

            Let me put this as nicely as possible: I never forget the beer.

          • Tyree

            WOOOOOOO!!!

          • DDubya.

            May I join? I’ll bring the jalapeno poppers.

          • BLXKKBEXRD

            I’d be mad if you DIDN’T bring this party to full-pop

          • DDubya.

            I can make a mean black bean dip too.

          • BLXKKBEXRD

            Lets make this a jingoist multiculuralist world wide sex phenomena!

          • Eddie Trunk Jr., Floor Tech

            I make the best buffalo chicken dip. I’ll bring some.

          • Lacertilian

            Will it be entree size or mains size @ G’Dubs Mexican Bar & Grill?

          • DDubya.

            The black bean dip is just an appetizer, amigo.

          • Eddie Trunk Jr., Floor Tech

            I’ll bring the ribs and the southern rock because we all know you can’t have a BBQ without southern rock.

          • Eddie Trunk Jr., Floor Tech

            NY BBQ>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>NC BBQ

          • BLXKKBEXRD

            lol get out of here with that

          • Eddie Trunk Jr., Floor Tech

            I told you I was the king of unpopular opinions.

          • BLXKKBEXRD

            its not unpopular, its just decidedly wrong. you know it.

          • Lacertilian

            BBQ war?

          • Nordling Rites ov Kahlua

            I HAS TO ACT AS THE MOUTH OF TRUTH!

          • Eddie Trunk Jr., Floor Tech

            Here’s me dethroning you:

            Alcohol is awful
            Pizza is awful
            BBQ is awful
            Nu metal is the best thing to happen to metal in decades
            Hawthorne Heights>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>any black metal
            There is no good power metal.

          • Eddie Trunk Jr., Floor Tech

            I hold the belt for worst opinions and taste!

          • BLXKKBEXRD

            in a completely no homo way, his physique is pretty no flush

          • Herr Schmitty

            My genius is simply too extensive for plebes to understand. It’s not their fault, just know that I forgive all of you!

          • Eddie Trunk Jr., Floor Tech

            I thought I held the title! Oh wait, I hold the title for Worst Music Taste.

          • Tyree gonna kill u

          • Herr Schmitty

            That’s whose goat I’m really trying to get with this line above. That’s Tyree bait.

          • Tyree
          • BLXKKBEXRD

            I’m now going to reconsider helping you get gud at Dark Souls.

          • Dark souls is easy

          • BLXKKBEXRD

            o no u dint

          • Once u understand the mechanics it’s super simple lol. On the other hand I’m getting wrecked in the new/old resident evil. I beat it last night only to realize I accidentally played on easy and I’m now getting wrecked on normal 🙁

          • BLXKKBEXRD

            Understanding the mechanics is a huge learning curve, though. Its easy to understand the mechanics for PvE. And there are most certainly boss fights which are undeniably hard (try Fume Knight on NG++++). Becoming a parry king or backstep queen is another story for PvP, which is where the real game is at. Also fashion souls.

            Resident Evil can be pretty unforgiving too.

          • I was referring to the single player, I honestly haven’t touched pvp unless I got invaded, in which case I’m “undefeated”. I’m not big on multiplayer stuff, though I adore coop.

          • Herr Schmitty

            Damn, undefeated in invasions? That’s pretty solid. I’m like… 2-4 when invaded, bad times.

          • BLXKKBEXRD

            Agreed. Even as good as I am in PvP, I get beat all the time (mostly by overleveled players). Being SL999 is the new meta, really. Hard to beat a guy with so many stats at 99.

          • more beer

            Beer & Metal!

        • 1234 I declare a thumb war

        • more beer

          If you`re gonna do it do it right 100 rounds bare knuckle boxing!

      • Totally agree

    • It takes eight years to write two riffs and an hour’s worth of droning synths?

      • Herr Schmitty

        Only if you’re doing it right!

  • DDubya.

    I think you’re confusing two forms of consistency: consistency in content and consistency in quality. Bands can consistently release good albums that sound nothing alike.

    • Yep, i was thinking the same thing. Tons of power metal bands are consistent in content, but just get smellier with each release until you gotta flush em

    • Guacamole Jim

      Case in point: Incubus. Absolutely stellar band throughout their career who put out albums that sounded nothing like each other.

      From this:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8wph3jJUoc

      To this:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA_xjBaXor0

      And pretty much everything in between.

      • YourLogicIsFlushed

        The last album was so bad. I hope now that they have a new label they do something interesting again, for the first time in many years.

        • Guacamole Jim

          As much as I tried, it’s the only Incubus album I don’t like. It’s really too bad.

        • Stanley

          It was a little strange, but If Not Now When?, Isadore and Adolescents are good tunes.

      • DDubya.

        Dude, I’m gonna break your heart, but I don’t like Incubus. Good on you, though.

        • Guacamole Jim
        • KJM

          I don’t like them either, and I’ve had to sit through them 4 times.

        • I flush you with tremendous force.

          • DDubya.

            if you flush me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.

        • Ted Nü-Djent ™

          I can feel a Venom/Mötley Crüe style throwdown erupting here

      • A certain shade of green is my jam. Other than that I have no experience with them.

        • Guacamole Jim

          My band used to cover that song. Great tune. They’re a band worth taking the time to explore and understand, I think.

          • Stanley

            I’ll stand alongside you and face the firing squad. Incubus are one of the only pop/rock bands that I can stomach. They are just progressive enough to remain interesting on repeated plays and as you said, every album is different. As a bonus, the Mrs doesn’t look at me like I’m a leper when I play them.

          • Guacamole Jim

            That must help, especially when you verb the adjective noun.

      • Gurpation

        Incubus? Really? Whoah.

      • Mother Shabubu III

        Or Killing Joke. None of their albums sound alike and all of them are great.

      • Not to mention Fungus Amongus

      • Ted Nü-Djent ™

        S.C.I.E.N.C.E was a great album but I never could get into any of their other stuff. I may have to retrieve that album from my archives now.

        • Guacamole Jim

          Morning View is an album all Incubus fans should dissect. Give it a go, dude!

          • Ted Nü-Djent ™

            If anyone else asked me to do this I’d tell them to go fuck themselves. But for you Jim, I will.

          • Guacamole Jim

            <3

      • JamesGrimm

        THIS^^^^

      • Eddie Trunk Jr., Floor Tech

        Incubus is awesome.

    • Stanley

      I just finished reading the Detective’s article and this was my first thought/conclusion.

  • Consistency? You want consistency? Then we need to talk Running Wild.

    Running Wild has probably the most incredible run of consistently high quality albums of any band in heavy metal. Starting with Under Jolly Roger and ending with The Rivalry, Running Wild went NINE ALBUMS in a row without having a scratch on them. NINE ALBUMS in a row of fantastic riffs, ripping solos, pirates, satan, rebellious teenagers, historic battles, etc. Just raw, no frills, all balls speed/heavy metal (sometimes power metal).

    The worst part? They are tremendously underrated, with most metal heads nowadays having no clue who they are.

    Start here.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZUN6-JwwMA

    • Show me a metalhead who doesn’t know of Running Wild is and I’ll say, “nay, this is surely no metalhead.”

      • Want to know how I know? Watch how few upvotes my video gets. Because no one knows/cares, because THEY’RE ALL POSERS

        • DDubya.

          Maybe you should yell POSER louder. I doubt everyone heard you the first time.

          • Running Wild >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

          • DDubya.

            Notice I made no comment about Running Wild.

          • You don’t know about or care about a band from the 80s that I think is the best? poser

          • DDubya.

            No, I know about them. Some people can like certain bands without telling everyone else why they’re posers for not liking them.

          • That’s kind of what I get paid to do

          • DDubya.

            Can you get a different job for once?

          • Sorry, 10% 401k match is too good

          • DDubya.

            Heck, sign me up.

          • Manowar is on a hiring freeze right now

          • JamesGrimm

            75 dollars for a show at Clevland on a wedsday.

          • I will never defend that decision, although i’ve heard the reasons why they’re charging that much

          • JamesGrimm

            it was canclled 2 weeks before the show.

          • Ted Nü-Djent ™

            Until now

        • Nordling Rites ov Kahlua

          I’m still waiting on Power Metal 101: Running Wild.

          • I have so little free time lately. Soon.

          • Nordling Rites ov Kahlua

            Sognametal part Zwei also sprach Zarathrustra. Or feel the steel.

          • I’m still waiting for any Power Metal 101! That was the column that inspired me to enter this disqus mosh pit

        • Ted Nü-Djent ™

          My lack of upvote has more to do with me sneaking in a quick article while I’m at work. I have their first 2 albums but tbh I never really paid that much attention to them.

      • They need this:

      • JamesGrimm

        I dont know Running Wild.

    • alestorm made a career off of running wild love.

  • I feel like inconsistency is a must. That way as a fan you can yo-yo back and forth between liking them. Drama is a good way to pass time. Thus, the Toilet.

    GL

  • I don’t care if your band is releasing albums yearly or every two years or whatever. When it comes down to it, if there’s no heart in it the listener will pick up on it and most likely cast it aside.

    • MoshOff

      Who needs heart when you can Stay Tech???

      • Even in tech death, it’s obvious when there’s no feeling. brain drill is the perfect example of that. Such a fitting name too.

        • MoshOff

          I like Brain Drill because it’s so soulless haha.

        • Lacertilian

          Just saw this after replying above.
          Spot on.

    • Yup, i can definitely tell when a band mailed it in.

    • Ted Nü-Djent ™

      Yet you listen to soulless tech death?

      • On the contrary, that’s exactly the kind of tech death I won’t listen to.

        • Ted Nü-Djent ™

          Nah, I’m just razzin’ I don’t mind some of it.

        • Lacertilian

          Brain Drill?

  • MoshOff

    Good points all around. Another band that is consistent in both timing and quality is The Black Dahlia Murder: they release an album every two years, and they stick to their sound but manage to freshen things up just enough (more than Napalm Death IMO).

  • zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    ghostbusters=snl=rockefeller c/oontrolled court jesters

    the main point of ghostbusters–was to show the “environmentally”uncertain ghostbusting company being shut down by the fda—-which is a pro un./rockefeller agenda agency—with no balances of power –with the u.s.population

    “Environmentalism”–as a highjacked movement–to bring totalitarian power—thru guilt/emotional blackmail about the climate—–that is twisted up—and used solely for centralization of power—for the pre internet /post jfk inside job assassination–and pbs/u.n.

    sadness—trouble—for thecommon man–thru well written ,movie comedy—as psychological warfare agent—and lies

    just like altamont—a “concert”–that was actually about having a human sacrifice–for the first worldwide audience—to bless the “sympathy for the devil” song—“we shouted out who killed the kennedys–when after all it was you and me”——>that was a “spell” to benefit the rockefeller mafia—-and try to say it was a common need—to want to kill the kennedys

    “magic”

    • God ov All

      Ghosts = illuminati

      • BLXKKBEXRD
        • MoshOff

          ghoss baunsas, BRO

          • BLXKKBEXRD

            LETS BOUNCE THIS GHOSSSTT

          • MoshOff
          • Tyree
          • MoshOff

            I feel like Kroll Show has a lot of filler, but it also has some of the most memorable characters of all time. Shame it’s ending after this season.

          • Tyree

            Yeah, but I get why he is calling it quits though.

          • MoshOff

            Yeah.

            Did you laugh as hard as I did with the Pawnsylvania sketch? That sketch is only funny if you’ve lived around Philly or Pittsburgh, for example.

          • Tyree

            Hahahahaha!!! Dude, that’s one of my favorites. It’s so spot fucking on too. They are supposed to do another one this season.

          • MoshOff

            YESSSSSSSSSSSS you just made my day man!

          • Tyree

            Yeah, I’m pretty excited for it to happen.

            Not related, but his appearance on Comedy Bang Bang was hilarious.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OcCC1AVU2E

          • BLXKKBEXRD

            Another hilarious show!

          • MoshOff

            Fabrice Fabrice, a name so nice you have to say it…
            …again.

          • Lacertilian

            I think I have played this game IRL, also has possibly been played by @blackbeard_s_ghost:disqus and/or @KJMKerrAvon666:disqus
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFahsWePvwI

          • BLXKKBEXRD

            Agreement to each of you. There are segments that I really dont care for, and ones that my buddy and I repeat ad infinitum to each other (i.e. the too much tuna sketch)

          • MoshOff

            Too much tuna has become a thing in my family, for real.

          • BLXKKBEXRD

            We say that shit all the time. Wheels Ontario was a sleeper sketch for me, as well.

          • MoshOff

            I liked the very first Wheels sketch, I think the rest aren’t so funny to me ’cause I’m not Canadian. In that regard some of his sketches are kinda like Monty Python in that they alienate a HUGE portion of the audience.

          • MoshOff

            Also I think Jon Daly single-handedly saves quite a few sketches, like the Gene Creemers ones.

          • BLXKKBEXRD

            His supporting cast is great. The girl who plays the other Liz is very funny in all the stuff I’ve seen her in.

          • Lacertilian

            I think this was in the first 3 eps of Getting Doug With High

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raNBOHeRAp4

          • Lacertilian

            Ghoste
            FTFY

  • Napalm death is in that rare category of constantly redefining their sound while remaining consistent. I can’t think of any other band that have a catalog that extensive and most of it is great.

  • God ov All

    Consistency is always welcome to me. If I pick up a cannibal corpse record, I expect cannibal corpse. If I pick up Clutch, I expect a Clutch album. The only band that’s like a grab bag of what you might get for me is the aformentioned Opeth and Mastadon.

    • I can’t wait for that new clutch album!

      • God ov All

        Amen to that! I saw them when they opened for Black Label Society a few years back and they fucking killed it. I was dissapointed that some of the younger crowd who came for Children of Bodom (who were on after Clutch) used their set as an excuse to go get a beer and take a piss. They missed out.

        • DDubya.

          I went to that tour.

      • Lacertilian

        Big News!

  • Gurpation

    A) After Blood Mountain, I think Mastodon can do pretty much whatever they want. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-C3UtyK8IAQ

    B) I have never seen Ghostbusters 2.

    • Renan Ribeiro

      I love this song. It is my favorite track from Blood Mountain. RUN WITH DEATH

      • MoshOff

        Ruuun…
        Wiiiiith…
        Deeeeeeiiieeiiieaaath!!!

      • Gurpation

        GOOOOOOOONNNNNE AWAAAAAAAYYYYY

    • Lacertilian

      After Leviathan they earned the golden ticket.

  • BLXKKBEXRD

    I knew this was a McNutty article before reading. Sadly, neither of these bands tickle my wiener. A good post nonetheless.

  • Ghostbusters 2 was good I remember. How does everyone feel about that reboot? I think they would’ve had a better shot with Michael Cera, McLuvin & Johah Hill.

    • Nordling Rites ov Kahlua

      What reboot?

      • Gurpation

        The one I gave your mom last night.

        • Nordling Rites ov Kahlua

          Didn’t know you were into necrophilia, that’s pretty illegal. I’m callin’ the cops now.

      • Remaking ghostbusters, all female cast. Nothing against the ladies but Hollywood just remakes everything and some things don’t need to be touched. It’s all about the $$$$$.

    • Scrimm

      I hate that fat bitch Melissa Mcarthy so much. This will be the worst remake so far.

      • I don’t hate her because of her weight (i doubt you do, either) but I just don’t find her funny at all. She’s like the female version of Kevin James.

        • Scrimm

          No it’s not her weight, though I hate that it seems to be a gimmick. She’s just annoying as hell.

  • Gurpation

    Also, I think consistency is cool when it slays. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1lqGR8UNqI

    I think the difference between Cannibal Corpse and Slayer is that Cannibal Corpse never really strayed from the path or lost their songwriting mojo.

    • BLXKKBEXRD

      I honestly think that Slayer had the potential to write a better song than CC. Problem is, they never did. Thats why CC is > Slayer.

      • Gurpation

        They did have the potential, I’d say. After all, they wrote some of the best metal songs ever between 1981 and 1990.

      • Lacertilian

        really?
        I’m yet to hear a CC song I enjoy more than a bunch of Slayer songs.

        • Scrimm

          One of many recent favorites. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEN6WWuV-m4

          • Lacertilian

            I liked that, tasty riffs, shame the solo was a bit underwhelming for what it could have been.
            Now if only it had Tom Araya’s vocals from circa-1988 I would concur with you.

          • Scrimm

            guess that comes down to taste. I don’t care for most shouted thrash vocals. At least fans of both bands have this team up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOgqxb9qT6k

          • Lacertilian

            Fair enough, I couldn’t get into CC etc. during my teens because I had a distaste for ‘cookie-monster’ vocals, wanting to show my then-friends that metal wasn’t incomprehensible grunting.
            From Skin To Liquid.

          • Scrimm

            Nothing wrong with that.

        • BLXKKBEXRD

          Yeah, man. I certainly own both cc and slayer albums, but if you had tomb of the mutilated in one hand and reign in blood in the other, I’d wipe w slayer

    • Scrimm

      I havent listened to shit else all week. CC>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.

      • Gurpation

        It’s surprising how good it is when it finally clicks, isn’t it?

        • Scrimm

          It really is, and I’ve listened to them since The Bleeding. I was just always a casual fan. No more.

          • Ted Nü-Djent ™

            Kill just, ummm, kills

          • Scrimm

            So do the last two.

      • Ted Nü-Djent ™

        About once a year I’ll give their entire discography a spin and it’s always a fun time

        • Scrimm

          Maybe it’s because I’m getting deeper into guitar playing but it’s like I’m hearing a different band.

        • Lacertilian

          CannibalCorpsember or CannibalCorptober?

          • Ted Nü-Djent ™

            Cannuary Corpse

  • Howard Dean

    Interesting stuff, JJM!

    I’m the opposite. I’ll take Marduk’s “consistency” all day over Napalm Death (I like Marduk a lot better than I like ND, so this isn’t a surprise). Marduk as a band is definitely a tale of two periods, delineated by the arrival of Daniel Rosten/Mortuus/Arioch: pre-Mortuus/Arioch (up to 2004) and post-Mortuus/Arioch. Both periods are good in their own right, and solid/consistent in their quality, but both are very different.

    Also: If accounting for their entire history, Slayer is not consistent. They were consistent in their greatness in their first 8 years or so, and have steadily declined into a state of relative “shit-consistency” since then.

    • Gurpation

      I think if Slayer wants to ever put out a worthwhile again, they need to go on some sort of hiatus for a while. Because even before Jeff died, they were missing something.

      • Howard Dean

        Agreed. Jeff was not writing material up to his potential in the years before he died.

        I honestly think they need to let Gary Holt write a bunch of stuff. But Kerry King will never let that happen.

        • Gurpation

          Is he seriously shutting Gary out of the writing process?

          • DDubya.

            It appears Gary is basically just a live performer.

          • Gurpation

            That is a complete and utter waste of someone like Gary Holt. That’s like getting someone who played on Doomsday for the Deceiver and shutting them out of the writing process.

          • MoshOff

            Obskvre dig is obskvre.

            NEWSTED 4 LYFE

          • DDubya.

            Hammerhead baby tonight!

          • Gurpation

            Only the obskvrest ov Metallvca refvrences.

          • Howard Dean

            I gotta think so. The moment Holt starts writing tunes (and getting credited for them), and people start enjoying them, King would probably flip. His hubris knows no bounds.

            I’m sure he’d be open to Holt “donating” a few riffs, though. As long as he wasn’t credited.

          • Gurpation

            Hubris, or he might have to actually pay Gary more. Whichever. Dick. For real, screw Kerry “Burger” King.

          • MoshOff

            He would flip… his burgers? Of which he is presumably King??

            http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BARUExSCAAAWWwz.jpg:large

          • BLXKKBEXRD

            Pussy fucking beard

          • more beer

            Gary has been writing killer riffs since the 80`s. Why would King possibly think he could contribute? I think it`s either he doesn`t want to get shown up. Or he doesn`t want to share the writing royalties. Ego and greed are my guess.

          • Gurpation

            And that shows a distinct lack of respect for the Slayer “brand” he’s been so keen take advantage of.

          • more beer

            At this point it`s his choice. I think it`s a poor decision but it is what it is.

        • Nordling Rites ov Kahlua

          I feel Jeff was a big part of the problem for years. He was very great… a LONG time ago. It has been an aeon since he last showed that vigor people credit him for

    • KJM

      The only reason I went to any Slayer show post 1990 is to hear the classic material.

      • more beer

        I hadn`t seen them since 91 until this year. But saw them 9 times before 91. I will never go see them again. My buddy and me said never again leaving the venue. The worst Slayer set I ever saw. Best set list though.

        • KJM

          I’ve seen them 7 times between 1987-2012(only once without Jeff, twice without Lombardo). Even if Dave came back, I’m done with Slayer. There’s just no point now.

          • more beer

            That was the first and only time I saw them without Jeff & Dave. I`m really glad my buddy bought my ticket too. I wasn`t gonna go and he wanted me to go with him. That was enough for me. I am also done.

          • more beer

            I just read there is new book about Pete Steele on No Echo. It`s called Soul on Fire – The Life and Music of Peter Steele. Thought you should know to know.

      • Lacertilian

        The only reason I went to see a Slayer show post-1990 was because I was because I was above the age of 6.

    • Lacertilian

      Agreed whole-heartedly on Slayer’s recent conshitency.

  • EsusMoose

    Some consistency is good, but if an artist produces something that is both consistent in quality and content as others have said you get groups who basically are just worth a greatest hits album or 2.

  • The key is to stay inconstant. Set the bar low so that when you do something Average/good/great people lose their shit and say how you have grown as songwriters/musicians or how you returned to form. . Ex. Job For a Cowboy, Megadeth, Aborted

    • Gurpation
      • I can’t even listen to their older stuff anymore because it’s not sun eater

        • Gurpation

          Why even bother? It’s like… pointless. It’d be like listening to Doom for any reason whatsoever.

          actually i still like genesis tho

      • so so good. so moody and jammy.

        • Gurpation

          It hit as unexpectedly as Crack the Skye did.

    • Eddie Trunk Jr., Floor Tech

      Chevelle is also consistent with their albums. They may sound alike but the band is good enough to make it so the albums are good.

  • Nordling Rites ov Kahlua

    ND just wrote a definite ND album. Not mailed it in, but it’s a little too ND. I don’t really see the”WOW, much experiment, SO original. Much WOW” in it. It’s consistent in a long line of a little too consistent albums. When a band doean’t really show ups or downs it’s harder to love all they do, it’s all a little too consistent to be really interesting anymore.

    • BLXKKBEXRD

      I liked that Whoresnation album from earlier more than I liked what i heard from the new ND.

      • Nordling Rites ov Kahlua

        That was a good album. I do like the new ND, but… less than Edward

      • Tyree

        Stay Grind!

  • YourLogicIsFlushed

    Are there any examples of bands deciding to change their sound completely, so they change their name too? I think think that would be an interesting way to be inconsistent, but upfront about it.

  • Scrimm

    Damn you and your Maiden hate Mcnulty. However you redeem yourself With CC. Fatastic band, way too underrated. Both Torture and A Skeletal Domain slayed, in fact ASD is the album I regret not spending time with and not putting on my year end list. It would have been very near the top.

  • JWG

    Time for a surprisingly relevant story from my childhood.

    My town’s local newspaper’s film critic totally flushed GB2 for being a rehash of the first right down to similar concluding elements (giant object stomps through Manhattan); special effects that made no effort at all to one-up the first film; and disappointment in the choice of villain being a clear Vlad the Impaler rip-off.

    I wrote a letter defending my enjoyment of the film *for* its consistency and familiarity so well that it got featured as a rebuttal editorial to the former Critic.

    The paper’s editor had no idea they’d published the letter of a 9 year old Ghostbusters fanboy – who’d have defended it no matter what the guy had said – until they phoned my household to request a (paid) follow-up rebuttal to the Critic for another film (sorry, I forgot which) and my mom had to let them know I’d be too young to get into it alone.

    • Scrimm

      That’s pretty awesome dude. srs.

      • DDubya.

        Cosigned.

      • JWG

        Me and my friends were huge fans of all Ghostbusters stuff available in the mid-to-late-80s. Many hours were spent on the school playground and jungle gym busting ghosts (and occasionally smelly girls) with imaginary proton packs; whether re-enacting the films, the TV series, or just making it up as we went along.

        …Although there was nearly a schism between those of our schoolmates who were okay with Filmation’s Ghostbusters, and the rest of us who saw that as heresy.

        In any case, when you cross a GB fanboy with that level of commitment to the fun factor of it all, and who could write at a 9th grade level when only a kid, you’re going to get schooled.

        • Scrimm

          I feel that way about my horror flicks.

        • And I’m guessing you owned one of those mini GB suits, too? (I’m guilty, I had one when I was 5 or 6)

    • You pwned a grown man before there was the internet. Nice work.

    • this is one of the best stories i’ve heard. great job, JWG!
      i too was a youngin, Mum took me to the theatre to see GB2 and have loved it just as much ever since.

    • I liked it, but then again I was 9 years old or so when I saw it. Didn’t exactly take much to amuse me at the time.

    • this story>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    • Ted Nü-Djent ™

      You rule. Hahaha, that is awesome

  • For me, I don’t mind if a band stays consistent as long as what they are putting out is still good. My favorite folk metal band Eluveitie haven’t really done anything new since their first album. It all sounds more or less the same to me. The same goes with Amon Amarth. I also like it when bands change over time and offer different experiences. The problem with different experiences is that more than likely, one shan’t be to your liking. A band that I think does this well would be Blind Guardian. You can tell which song is one which album by the sound. The early albums had more of a speed metal sound. Some albums had a more symphonic element to them I.E. Night at the Opera and some had a different vocal style. An example of a band that did something different and failed would be Morbid Angel. Illud Dicks in My Ass was horrible.

    • Speaking of Napalm Death, Earache posted a really awesome show today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdTW4nvpbk4

    • DDubya.

      There’s a pretty clear difference between Avenger era Amon Amarth and modern Amon Amarth.

      • Indeed. I was referring to the overall sound. The past three albums have sounded more or less the same.

      • BLXKKBEXRD

        For the nth time: WOoOS >>>>>> Vs the World >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fate of Norns >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dem other albums

    • BLXKKBEXRD

      The whole thing with Scion knocked Eluveitie down a couple notches for me too.

      Blind Guardian is as impeccable as any other power band for a fairly unblemished record. Trvly stunning live, as well. BG is, by far, my all-time fav power band, followed closely by the equally-impeccable Dragonland.

      • I bought two Dragonland albums on Monday. I’m going to have to jam those as soon as I finish listening to Blind Guardian’s newest album for the sixth time. As far as the thing with Scion, I say whatever a metal band can do to earn themselves more money, they should do it as long as it doesn’t compromise the music.

        • BLXKKBEXRD

          You did yourself a great favor, Xan. Which did you pick up?

          • Starfall and Astronomy. They also had Under the Grey Banner but I didn’t have the funds to acquire that.

          • BLXKKBEXRD

            So, the two best albums. With UGB being the third, and Holy Wars being last. Opinion, of course.

          • Sweet. I can’t wait to be instilled with the glory that power metal so often imbues me with.

  • D. Lee

    I’ve always admired Cave In’s constant change in sound over the years. However it wasn’t until Planets of Old/White Silence that I could appreciate the full album

  • OOO OOO OOO, almost forgot, the new A Forest Of Stars song got posted last night, and it’s already getting me tingly in my tenders!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2GDjP6RMDk

    • I posted that in my fan page yesterday. I will become a new Randall Thor making prophecies with steel but with neofolk. This NEEDS more upvotes. #StayFolky

    • BLXKKBEXRD

      Yep, super dope

    • CyberneticOrganism

      Oooh, I like this.

  • You can ask for classics anytime. But, sometimes I just can’t have a replay value with bands like Amon Amarth because their consistence is repeating too much patterns in their music.

    On the other side, we got people like In Flames that entered in a weird vortex of self-indulgence with their “artistic vision”

    My conclusion here is that I want a band that mantain their sound and expand it, because that’s their identity. These are my examples, because I like this bands: Porcupine Tree, you always know when it’s Porcupine Tree and they’ve added a LOT of textures, instruments and compositions in their albums. Cynic are also another example. Dark Tranquillity. At the Gates. Carcass…

  • Also… THIS FREAKING QUOTEEEEEE. Thanks for the wink, mr. Detective:

    “black merol (jajajaja)”

    Bulack MEROOOOOLLLLL ARHGHGHRGHGRHGHRGH ‘corpsepaint, I hate you all and want to die in a wood while listening Silencer in a cheap walkman. Sigil of Baphomet 666×2.Motherf+cking christians they took our vikings and our behaviour’ aghgaghghfhgrhrh. BULACK MEROOOOOOOLLLLLL

    • hey d00d, thought you’d enjoy that! i haven’t read the comments to this article cause afraid of jimmy rustlage. maybe i start today!

  • Ted Nü-Djent ™

    Great article. As for why some get a pass and others don’t? I can only surmise that I am a total hypocrite when it comes to music. The reason why I love one band/album can be the same reason why I don’t care for another.