Best Solo Backing Riff: METALLICA vs. MEGADETH

Today in RIFF or RAFF, we’re looking for the best solo backing riff in metal. The combatants came prepared with heavy hitters from Metallica and Megadeth. We’re primed and ready to thrash.One riff will riff, the other will raff. Let’s do this.

LAST WEEK Stockhausen’s Meshuggah riff just barely bested Gurp’s Meshuggah selection in the great war for Meshuggah dominance. For his victory, Stockhausen is getting a prize from his Bandcamp wishlist. Congrats!

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NEXT WEEK’s theme comes from Lacertilian. I want you to send me your best CASTLE RIFF. Riffs from bands that love castles n’ shit, songs about castles, a riff that sonically resembles a rockin’ medieval castle; all of these are acceptable options. The prize is a selection from your Bandcamp wishlist! Want to be the riff wizard? Here’s what you do:

  • Write 100-500 words about why you love this riff, and why we should love it too
  • Include a link to a place where we can stream your song
  • Include the timestamp when the riff kicks in
  • Put “RIFF or RAFF” in the subject line
  • Submit your riff at toiletovhell@gmail.com

THIS WEEK I asked you to submit your finest solo backing riff. In the process, I had no idea this week would be an impromptu battle between the two of the most bitter rivals in metal, and also perhaps the most basic bitch riff outing this Toilet has ever seen. Regardless, you gotta listen past the sweet widdly diddlies of these solos and focus on the backing riff. Choose the best, doom the rest.


As the mastermind of this week’s theme, I of course had a few choices in mind for best solo backing riff. I wound up choosing Metallica and even managed to avoid the temptation to cheat and use “Master of Puppets” where the main riff backs the solo. Who wouldn’t vote for that!? (If you wouldn’t vote for that, you’re dead to me). So why Metallica you may ask? Well my friend because in their prime Metallica were solo backing riff masters, whether it’s the steady lurch behind “Blackened’s” solo or the speedball ferocity that drives the solo in “Motorbreath.” While there are several great choices, much like Highlander, there can be only one. That one is “Ride the Lightning.”

The solo for “Ride the Lightning” is quite extended, so I should specify the riff that starts right around the 3:41 mark. It comes after some mid paced noodling and a brief whammy wind up just before Hetfield and Hammett step on the gas. While Hammett’s solo is one of his best, the backbone is truly Hetfield’s rhythm riff. It bobs and weaves like a madman in traffic before the car finally crashes into oncoming traffic for the final three chords, and emphatic “dun-DUN-dun” that perfectly compliments the thousand-notes-per-second playing happening at the forefront. This riff thrashes so well it could have easily been moved to higher billing within the song, it was just chosen for a song already packed with riffs. It’s okay, “Ride the Lightning” solo backing riff, today is your day to shine. –Leif


When Leif via Joe sent out the call for solo backing riffs, I was going to sit this one out. Riffs backing a solo are obviously not meant to take center stage, being either muted versions of the main riff or a simple sustained chord while the lead player works their bends and scales.

But then an idea struck me. Wait, don’t we all know a really awesome song that manages to pull them both off in tandem? And I do. Rust In Peace is the single greatest chunk of music Dave Mustaine ever worked on, unquestionably his and Megadeth’s masterpiece. Contained within that album is Hangar 18, one of the tracks that earn Dave Mustaine and Marty Friedman certified guitar god status. After the one verse and chorus die down, the two get down to work trading catchy, varied riffs and keening, horn-slingin’ solos back and forth. Usually when an artists spends two plus minutes playing scales it’s a tedious exercise played by a chronic guitar masturbator named Yngwie, but here everything WORKS. The interplay of riffs and solos keeps the energy going as both the riffs and solos gradually increase in intensity, coming to a head at 3:48 when the song starts to reach fever pitch. The riff, a mutant version of the refrain from 3:06 comes back loaded up on amphetamine and ready to ROLL, BABY, and Marty and Dave kindly indulge it and us by cutting loose and amping up the speed and making Hangar 18 one of the single best thrash songs out there, period. –Gurp


It’s time for you to determine who RIFFS and who RAFFS. Choose wisely.

This poll is closed! Poll activity:
start_date 22-10-2016 09:00:00
end_date 28-10-2016 12:00:00
Poll Results:
Best Solo Backing Riff?

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Published on: October 22, 2016

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  • Señor Jefe El Rosa

    Dis gon be gud

  • Kevin Nash’s Jackknife

    Hangar 18 wins my vote. Rust In Peace is an untouchable album and a milestone in thrash.

    • Señor Jefe El Rosa

      So is Ride The Lightning

    • Leif Bearikson

      You’re a disappointment to your mother and I

      • Kevin Nash’s Jackknife

        No I’m not. Also don’t mention my mother. She’s a saint

        • Sir Crawfish The Based

          To be fair, Mother Theresa is considered a saint and she was a terrible person.

          • Kevin Nash’s Jackknife

            I’m not going to speak ill of her. Off topic but did you hear the new Van Der Graaf Generator album? I haven’t heard it yet.

          • Sir Crawfish The Based

            Not interested in it. They’re not gonna beat Pawn Hearts and David Jackson’s not in the band.

          • Kevin Nash’s Jackknife

            I forgot that David Jackson wasn’t there. I have to admit they will never beat Pawn Hearts but Godbluff and Still Life came close.

      • Ted Nü-Djent ™

        You shoulda picked a better submission

  • Maik Beninton™

    God damm, that Ride the Lightning solo is my favorite from Metallica, but the riff that you chose is not the one I like the most, I preffer the mid paced one at the beggining of it, so I will vote for Megadeth, that riff is tasty.

  • ChuggaChuggaDeedleyDoo

    The problem with this is that I cannot dissosciate the backing riff from the accompanying solo, so imma have to say Hanger 18 ftw

  • Kevin Nash’s Jackknife
  • AeonsOvChaos

    Sorry, wrong post but is too late: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4nEKDtW4ww

    • Dave Vincent’s Perm

      Any post that can be responded to with Revenge is the right post.

    • more beer

      I saw them last week. They tore shit up.

    • Good god that snare sound is awful.

    • Howard Dean

      It’s crazy that your submission/recommendation has been downvoted into oblivion (three down votes). Didn’t realize so many Toilet folk were anti-Revenge. Nerds!

      • AeonsOvChaos

        Yep, I think is weird, some people says the extreme music is good but the bestial side of it is not? I’m glad that you and some other people like Revenge by the way!

  • Abradolf Lincler

    i mean, this is kinda the equivalent of having the choices of donald trump and hillary clinton for president

  • Easy.

  • Y’all should start submitting more riffs so you don’t have to read the things I write after 3 beers and forget to edit before submitting.

  • Zeke

    I chose hanger 18. leif would’ve had my vote if he chose the super chunk from blackened. Btw, Dave has made sure that everyone knows that he helped write ride the lightning; I’m not sure if he wrote the riff that we’re voting on, but this might actually be dick Dave v dick Dave

  • Elegant Gazing Globe

    ‘Deth

  • Leif Bearikson

    Hmm. I guess cool solo backing riffs were just an 80’s thrash thing

    • Basically, haha. I have an alternate theory that we start to care less about guitar solos the deeper we get into metal, and the ones we remember are the ones that got us into it in the first place.

  • Al Bundy

    Hi everyboby. long time lurker, first time commenter.
    both riffs are tasty but ‘tallica wins for me.

    • “Welcome to the Toilet!”

      -GL

      • Al Bundy

        cheers!

    • Paddlin’ Rites ov Beargod
    • Señor Jefe El Rosa

      Welcome to the Toilet! I’m happy to chat with one of my heroes!

      • Al Bundy

        not a hero my friend. im just a guy, sellin’ shoes. Oh god *weeps*

    • Ted Nü-Djent ™

      Umm, no Peg

      • Al Bundy

        *flushes mighty Furguson*

  • James

    Abstaine

  • _TheJordan_

    My all-time favourite solo backing right here: https://youtu.be/vQbH4vFYYVs
    6:50 for the goodness.

  • NDG

    I like this dude’s version of Hanger 18 better…

    https://www.youtube.com/embed/o-B0PA9hUOM

  • NDG

    Hanger 18 pretty much sums up everything I dislike about Megadeth.

    Shitty vocals, crappy chorus (does it even quality as a chorus?!?!), shit lyrics, too much noodling and the nonsensical tempo change at around 2:50.

    I must admit things look pretty good from 3:48 though.

  • xengineofdeathx

    I feel like Megadeth doesn’t hold a candle to Metallica riff wise, the heaviness just isn’t there man.

  • MEGADETH.