Against All Odds, Butcher Babies Say Dumbest Thing Yet

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It’s really difficult for me to see people say dumb shit and not want to scream to the heavens in protest. That happened this morning when I saw this headline:

Butcher Babies Give a Big Fuck You to the Music Industry

Which made me curious, considering the fact that this group basically was signed to a label before ever releasing an album and has been on huge tours since their conception. So what is it the music industry did to shun them?

Carla: “We started off playing on the Sunset Strip [in Hollywood], covered in blood and just having a great time. And then we realized that we were doing something — we were making some noise, people were watching…”

Typically, when a woman wears tape over her nipples and screams at you, she will have your attention. By all means, continue.Butcher Babies

“…So we started to write music that was important to us…”

Go on.

Added Heidi: “And we were doing what we wanted. You know, the thing is, so many times, especially as women in this industry, they try and tell you what you’re supposed to look like, sound like, act like — everything. So, for us, we went out there and defied those odds and kind of just gave a big ‘fuck you’ to the music industry, and it made noise, because we’re out there showing that it doesn’t matter where you came from, what you look like, your race, your gender, the typical stereotype — it doesn’t matter.”

Oh man! [sarcasm]It must be very difficult for two thin, white, visually appealing women to make it in an industry that favors thin, white, visually appealing women. I’m sure nobody wanted to market them, despite their ads being all over the internet. I’m sure nobody wanted to sign them to a label, despite their having been signed to one before anyone ever heard of them. I’m sure they worked really hard to write music, despite this being their music. Yes, it must have been very hard.[/sarcasm]

SeriouButcher Babesly, how is it possible to live in such a bubble? How is it possible for two women who have traveled the world to not realize that they are exactly what the music industry is looking for? Two white thin women with big breasts who like to wear very little clothing while screaming at people? It’s like some music executive grew them in a lab.

They’re possibly the most predictably successful creation since Lana Del Rey.

Ladies, do you know what would be difficult? Being a woman in the industry who doesn’t follow the rules that you so easily followed. Being fat, or black, or disabled. Anything different. Anything that literally is not you.

What is happening. Is this real life?

 

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Published on: April 6, 2016

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    men.

  • Dubs

    “Ladies, do you know what would be difficult? Being a woman in the industry who doesn’t follow the rules that you so easily followed. Being fat, or black, or disabled. Anything different.” I totally agree with this statement, but I think we’re missing a slightly bigger view of the music industry in general, one that has historically treated women as objects. Are the Butcher Babies successful because they’re exactly the kind of thing the industry knows will sell? Probably. But I don’t think you can blame them for that. This is a symptom of the system, rather than a problem.

    • “Industry puppet pretends to rebel against industry”

      • Dubs

        And the news sources clamor. I guess that makes us part of the joke, right?

        • We are a but a drunk dog eating its own sick

          • Dubs

            Or a deer eating a bird for some weird reason.

          • That’s fucked up, dawg.

    • Warheart

      Then, the real problem lies in those who consume the product, if no one were interested (consciously or not) in the concept of women as objects, the industry simply would move to the next gold mine.

      Since this band is marketed towards the metal audience, we’re the cancer. Personally, I have never listened an entire song of BB, and don’t know anyone who listen this shit neither. Apparently, general consensus in the internet is that the band is garbage with boobs, nobody seems to take them seriously, then, who is buying their records and concert tickets?

      • Dubs

        Oh the industry is most certainly appealing to some sort of demographic. Who exactly that is, I don’t have a clue. Mainstream consumers of metal, maybe?

        Most issues go back to personal responsibility, but it’s extremely hard to use that as the leverage point for change within a system unless everyone’s on board. Maybe this is the sort of thing we can’t change until we do know who it appeals to.

    • The Tetrachord of Archytas

      It also raises a question of imagery as well. People attach looks regardless of gender to different genres. i think the reason that there’s an issue with their statements is because they’re not self aware maybe?

      • Dubs

        That’s certainly a fair assessment.

        • The Tetrachord of Archytas

          Like I think of some of the doomy Rock metal bands featured here where the front woman plays up that witchy vibe….it’s different on many levels but it’s still a trend, do we consider it less ridiculous cause we generally favor that brand of music more? As much as women are overly treated as objects there also has to be freedom for people to do what they want…maybe they just have shitty taste

          • Dubs

            I think we’re getting to the issue of agency here and whether the Butcher Babies have had agency in crafting their sexuality as a marketing tool. My understanding is that they no longer do the topless thing, so was that something they did at the beginning because of the pressure to sell and then stopped because they didn’t need to, or have they always seen that as their aesthetic (as would be the case for the doom ladies)? I’m inclined to think it leans more to the former than the latter.

          • Waynecro
          • The Tetrachord of Archytas

            Me too. I think it’s a potential spring board to talk about this subject in the context of more interesting music.

          • Dubs

            One of the ladies in the FB group who is a musician said she wanted to write an article elaborating on this topic because she does feel pressured as a frontwoman to be sexual when that isn’t the aesthetic she wants to cultivate for her band.

            A potential counterargument to this, I think, would be that as male fans sometimes we want women to not sexualize themselves and “just play the music,” perhaps usurping some of that agency in the other way.

          • The Tetrachord of Archytas

            That would be great…yeah it seems like it’s easy to usurp agency because you really have to actively disable the way women in music especially metal are treated individually. like you said it’s still male fans putting parameters on what they do. Instead of choosing to dismantle the system we just make amendments or adjustments which doesn’t work long term

          • Dubs

            Have you studied systems theory at all? You’re throwing out a lot of systems ideas.

          • The Tetrachord of Archytas

            No only music theory haha. But I’ve talked to people that have who’ve said my ideas go along those lines

          • Dubs

            I don’t have an extensive background in it (just took a few classes in grad school), but you’re certainly moving in the same direction as some of the principles.

          • The Tetrachord of Archytas

            Interesting. In college I studied music composition with a Buddhist socialist and a Buddhist anarchist, and also took a scifi lit class (which was more demanding than any other humanities course I took). I think those two things were a lot of what took my way of thinking further in that direction.

          • The Tetrachord of Archytas

            It seems too like the solution is simply people deciding to live a certain way and probably suffer for it. Idealists I guess. Mozart hated the patronage system and fought really hard to be an independent musician and ended up working himself to an early death. The world just wasn’t there yet, but next up Beethoven basically made it work sometimes people have to be satisfied going against a system even if it doesn’t change in their lifetime

          • brokensnow

            yeah, they were all leather to the neck at the COF show. For as poo as their music is, they really brought the heavy.

          • brokensnow

            This…..

  • frozengoatsheadupanunsarse

    Sounds like more shenanigans to me. My two pence is on this being carefully label staged.

  • “It’s like some music executive grew them in a lab.”
    10/10

    • Max

      I’d prefer boobs grown in a lab to boobs stuffed with silly-kone.

    • Ted Nü-Djent ™

      *5/7 (are we still doing this?)

      • BiTcHeZoNmADiCk6969696969/11

      • Major Zim

        I remember, I get it. You go Glen Coco.

    • So you are saying that someone might buy that for, well, I don’t know… a dollar?

      GL

  • Ol Dirty Blastbeard

    This is the first time ive ever even read or heard anything about Butcher Babies.

    🙁

    • frozengoatsheadupanunsarse

      They don’t even butcher babies.

      • Ol Dirty Blastbeard

        Its horrible what they put those big-titted freakshows through.

        • frozengoatsheadupanunsarse

          They should be allowed to live in the wild, and roam free!

  • Guppusmaximus

    And what exactly have these women done in Music that is SOOOO original & a big “fuck you”?! I must be unedgamacated in the ways of Wendy O. and L7…

    Oh, and would these supposed edgy badasses please stop wearing that bastardized Maiden shirt.

    • Yes. Please. That would please me greatly. And not because silicone beneath it was being exposed.

      • Guppusmaximus

        I might’ve given her more credit if she was wearing a maxi-single version of either “NOTB” or “Purgatory” IF she’s really a fan of classic Maiden, that is.

    • Max

      It’s pretty entry-level, isn’t it? The other girl is wearing Venom, although it’s so “butchered” you can barely tell.

      • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

        At War With Silicone

    • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

      The fact that they named themselves after a Plasmatics song is a fucking sacrilege. Wendy O. would kicked ten shades of shit out of them for even mentioning them.

  • All I can think about after reading this is that one scene in Phantasm IV. You know, that scene where that woman’s boobs are really Sentinel Spheres. Yeah, going to have to rewatch that movie now.

    • Ol Dirty Blastbeard
    • frozengoatsheadupanunsarse

      That movie is baffling unless you watch them altogether, even though it has a bunch of flashbacks in it. Pretty neat though.

      • Its been years. I’ve watched 1 and 2 so many damn times. 3 and 4 not so much, but that boob scene has always stuck with me. Classic.

        • frozengoatsheadupanunsarse

          It’s a triffic scene alright. One of the few conventional cool bits in 4. Both 3 and 4 are probably inessential unless you’re really into the characters.

        • Rob M

          Love One and Two…Three was the last one I enjoyed. Four is just flat out weird.

          Cant wait for Ravager though, just to see how it ends

          • Yeah, from what I remember it wasn’t that great. By the way, I got my copy of the new Irkallian Oracle album today. You listen to that yet?

          • Rob M

            Yeah…maybe not as strong as Grave Ekstasis, but I thought it was pretty damn good

          • I’ve heard that from some other folks as well. Tonight I’ll be spinning it over a beer. I’ll get back to you on what I think.

          • Rob M

            Cool man…let me know

          • Enjoying it so far. The only beef I have is the production and the overall mix of it. It needs to be mixed WAY louder and the cavernous atmosphere is a step back from what was presented on the first album.

            https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/t31.0-8/12967498_10154142212233338_1461406075311032587_o.jpg

          • Dubs

            New Qrixkuor is solid.

          • My heart literally skipped a beat here. I knew about the new album, but had no idea about a new song. Looking it up now.

            EDIT: I jumped the gun, did you get a promo or something? I’m not seeing any released material.

          • Dubs

            Uh, I got the promo. I dunno if there’s a new song.

          • Nah, no new song from the looks of it. Sorry, I assumed there was new material available from your comment. Just need to be patient.

          • Dubs

            I haven’t listened to the demo yet, so I can’t really compare it, but it’s certainly big, hideous, and cavernous.

          • Oh good. The demo is over the top cavernous.

    • I don’t know you, but I like you. The Phantasm 4 are the best movies in cinema. To me. But who am I?
      hehe

  • those girls went a little too overboard for the “look at me!” look. i tend to shy away from salespeople who are trying too hard. guess i’m not their target demographic. 🙁 am i missing out on great music? plz halp.

    • Dubs

      Nah. The music would not be out of place on a tour with Texas Hippie Coalition.

      • Guppusmaximus

        Plus, you can really tell just how mediocre they are when they try to cover a Pantera song. It’s painful

      • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

        Hopefully THC doesn’t decide to follow their example and start stripping on stage.

  • Sarah, as I read these words you have written, the words in my mind were being matched…and you and I were in stereo. It was interesting.

    • Hi! I read the interview W. made with you. I loved your responses.

      Stay cool.

      Greetings from Venezuela.

  • Owlswald

    No surprise that one of the chicks “..has appeared in several adult features, sometimes using the alias Brigette Banks. Among these are At Your Service (2006), Decadent Dreams (2005), and Bedtime Secrets (2008)” That has album sales written all over it.

    • hieronymus bossk

      Those all sound like terrible, indie rock album titles.

      • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

        Or Skinemax films.

    • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

      Woah, that was her porn name? Ummmmmmmm, I mean, I’ve only heard the name from friends and stuff, since I’d never look at fap-time films.

      *grabs some oil and a fistfull of tube socks, and immediately researches this on the top bunk*

  • Jom Pootersan

    I have a female musician/artist friend who specifically does not show off her body to get the point across that woman should be valued by the same standards as men. It seems so silly, as that should go without saying.

    Effort spent on their promotion could easily be devoted to a band(s) with more artistic integrity and creativity. Of course, that’s not what drives sales.

    • Guppusmaximus

      I applaud her effort and I completely agree about artistic merit but I feel like it wouldn’t be any different if Metal was ruled by women.
      http://www.worldoflongmire.com/features/romance_novels/submissions/finger.jpg

      • Dubs

        This is more of a power fantasy for dudes, though. We see a shirtless, ripped dude and think, “Aww yeah, that guy is yolked.”

        • Ol Dirty Blastbeard

          This is essentially a Manowar album cover.

          • Boss theSpeedMetalBastard Ross

            No swords, not a Manowar cover.

          • Ol Dirty Blastbeard

            the sword is implied

          • Boss theSpeedMetalBastard Ross

            The sword should never be implied.

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

            Not oiled up and glistening enough to be a Manowar cover. *hands that guy a gallon can of Crisco*

        • Rob M

          Is this sarcasm or rhetoric..because I honestly cant tell anymore

          • Dubs

            lol. I think a more accurate analog between sexist depictions would be a dude with huge, barely covered nuts hanging out.

          • Rob M

            Yeah…but thats not really the same either. Theres no dude equivalent for a womans norks

          • Dubs

            Exactly. I’m just saying a ripped shirtless dude isn’t really the same as a busty chick.

          • Rob M

            Well, I think a ripped, shirtless dude can be the equivalent of a busty chick in a tight t-shirt or something similar, but yeah..topless woman dosnt equal topless guy.

            The real issue here is that society has kind of created a situation where what men find sexy and what women find sexy arent necessarily the same thing

          • BobLoblaw

            You really think its a societal construct? People like what they like, a large portion of that has to do with gender.

          • Rob M

            Society does dictate what people find sexy…We know this simply because what was considered sexy 50 or 100 years ago is not always whats considered sexy now

          • Nina Osegueda

            This is absolutely true. Hollywood has been trying to convince me that Johnny Depp is attractive for the past 20 years, but I’m still not buying it.

          • Rob M

            You are officially my new best friend

          • Max

            I read something about that once. Apparently, when it comes to male facial beauty, there’s two types of male faces: The typically “male” one and the typically “female” one.

            The typically “male” male face is somebody like Harrison Ford or Clint Eastwood – strong jawline, small and usually pitted eyes, large nose, craggy features, etc. The typically “female” male face – and Johnny Depp very much fits into this – is a face that, although male, you could almost as easily imagine as a woman if it wore a long-haired wig and some makeup: large eyes, small nose, fine features, smooth skin – the sort of guys that tend to get called “cute” more than “handsome”. You see it a lot in boy-bands and among brat-pack actors, while the other sort are found in action movies and sports.

            Women, I read, tend to prefer one type over the other. Perhaps you fall into the category of preferring the “male” male face, hence your aversion to Johnny Depp.

          • BobLoblaw

            Considered sexy by who? Youre making general statements about every person on earth. I wont argue that the depiction of beauty in media hasnt changed but thats certainly not an indication of what was sexy to everyone. It was just marketable and in fashion at the time. Are you really trying to say people were fawning over mom butts in the 80’s? How have I stayed on the outskirts of society so long as to not have it influence my interpretation of beauty?

          • Rob M

            No of course beauty is ultimately in the eye of the beholder, but we’re talking about trends in society, so it allows me to speak in generalizations.

            ..and No, Im not speaking for everyone person on earth…obviously different cultures have different standards of beauty, but theres a reason why curvy was considered the epitome of beauty at one point in western culture, why thin and athletic is now, or why blonde bombshells were all the rage in the 50’s. Sexy dosnt exist in a vacuum either

          • BobLoblaw

            But you arent speaking about societal trends your speaking of the medias depiction of beauty. Which in the past 60-70 years hasnt changed a whole lot. Outside of media I dont really see ANY influence on how anyone would see beauty. Just think of any time you and a friend have disagreed on the attractiveness of a person, thats your societal influence. Other than that youre talking about media which I refuse to believe has that much sway over what someone finds visually appealing.

          • Rob M

            Media depictions of beauty both influence and are in turn influenced by society. How do you think trends become trends in the first place?…and Id argue those depictions have changed quite a bit over the last 60 years

            You dont think people in general can place pressure on others around them to influence whats considered beautiful? I think most high school teens would say otherwise.

            Honestly though, if you dont think media has that much influence on people, I doubt I could convince you otherwise, but I have to ask, why do you think companies spend billions on marketing if its ultimately useless?

          • BobLoblaw

            Not saying that its useless. Its to pump out material to the masses that are the consumer of that product. Not to sway anyone. Think of music as a comparison. McDonald’s sells over a million hamburgers a day, that doesnt mean they are convincing anyone they have the best burgers. Lets actually use either of the photos of those two marketable faces above and everyone chimes in whether or not they are attractive. Think we will get some very mixed answers?

          • Rob M

            Except we know marketing can sway people, thats why competing companies fight so hard and spend so much on marketing, theyre trying to sway the consumer base to try their product. The media cant brainwash you, but it sure as hell can influence you

            ..and honestly, No, I dont think the answers will be that mixed. I think generally speaking you’d find most people would consider them attractive

          • BobLoblaw

            No, they are spending so much to drill it into the consumers head that “you need this”, not to sway their actual tastes. Its buying airtime or page space. All they can do is sway you to a particular brand of whatever you are already interested in. If what youre saying was true then everyone would be chugging Coors and Big Mac shakes while watching football, basketball, NASCAR and the playboy channel simultaneously and slapping around their nice new JJ breasts.

          • Rob M

            “they are spending so much to drill it into the consumers head that “you need this”

            Exactly…but thats not limited to just stuff youre already interested in. Theyre hoping to draw your interest to new things as well so new companies with new products can create their customer base as well. Otherwise how would a new idea ever get any traction?

            Im not saying the media can make someone do something they are dead set against, but they can push and nudge people in the hopes that an idea will catch on with the receptive minds of a neutral majority

          • BobLoblaw

            Ideas were spread through word of mouth, niche information circles and implementation for quite awhile, now the internet is where pretty much all ideas are spread (why there are so many people that immediately jump on someone like Martin Shkreli for his shit and can call a politician out for lies) media as it has been known is dead and all the information in the world (along with disinformation) is available. What youre saying takes all random proclivities/personal preference and replaces them with some cabal that controls what you enjoy. Some people go so far as to exclusively find only certain people attractive (having strict types) that fall into a few arbitrary categories. Theres such a spectrum out there that youre not thinking about. Someone exposed to all of the same media as you can like something else and probably would. Thats being human.

            What I was getting at with the “vote” was that you would have varied results. Even within the attractive votes there would be varying reasons and caveats.

          • Rob M

            Which dosnt change the fact that marketing is still used to sell new ideas/products to a larger consumer base…whether its through traditional means or through newer technology is besides the point. Otherwise it wouldnt work

            …and no, what Im saying, and what Ive been saying, is that society can influence those proclivities…media being one of the most obvious ways it does that. I mean, what is it you think allows you to determine those personal preferences in the first place…its youre exposure to the culture you live in.

            You keep thinking in individual terms, but thats not how this works. We’re talking about a majority percentage dictating a norm.
            Society (on a cultural level) as a whole determines what is and isnt attractive…or in other words, something is attractive because we agree its attractive. Its why we here in the west can say those women above are attractive, its why lip plates are considered attractive to certain African tribes, or why bones through the nose are considered attractive in others.
            The thing is, as time passes and new ideas and thoughts take shape, culture in turn can be influenced…and that means what may have once been deemed attractive or sexy suddenly passes to the wayside

          • BobLoblaw

            Yes, thats the point more exposure, not changing anyones natural preferences. Not actually swaying anyone. It holds no true power just tries to appeal to a large demographic.

            My main argument with you is your confusion of media with what society is. Is media molding society? Which would be a relatively small cabal scenario. Or is the media just taking advantage of the most common proclivities? Maybe exploiting basic human nature a bit as far as sexuality goes? What I personally believe causes anyones particular proclivities is the assuredly random way our brains are “wired”.

            Its not too far of a stretch to connect what youre saying and the ridiculous argument that video games, movies or music can cause someone to commit violent acts against themselves or others. Its the same kind of media influence youre talking about. Thats simply not true though.

            I just take issue with the position that no one can decide anything for themselves unless someone else guides them. That no one has responsibility but only in certain scenarios. The gay man thats ostracized from his fundamental Christian family and community for instance, where was the societal influence on him to like what he likes? Wouldnt that scenario never play out in a world run by pop media?

          • Rob M

            ..but it does influence people. See, I never said it could change someones mind, in fact I said on more than one occasion that it wouldnt. The thing is though, theres a big difference between influence and dictate. Everyday we run across different things that influence our decisions…marketing is just another part of that. if you go into the store for some chips..and you see the brand you just heard a commercial for and go…”Hey, think I’ll try these”, thats being influenced.

            As for media, its both. Media reflects society, but it can help to influence it as well…and once again, influence is not the same as dictate.
            As you grow up and are exposed to our culture, the things you are exposed to have an impact on the way you view the world. This is the nurture side of Nature vs Nurture, and media is just one aspect of it. Its one of the reasons we try to limit the types of things children are exposed to…

            …but No, its not the sole determination for people. As you say, how we are wired plays a big role (your nature side) and as we grow older and our own sense of who we are solidifies, outside influences dont sway us as much as they used to ( we become set in our ways)…but thats not the same as saying they dont hold any influence

            At the end of the day, there are tons of factors that form who we are and lead us to make the decisions we make. Im not saying we have no control over our actions, but the things we are exposed to are definitely a factor in determining those actions

          • BobLoblaw

            Thats exactly what I said, it can influence the brand that is bought. You were already going into the store for some chips. Youve learned about something new and decided to try it. I havent had cable in 4 years (not much before that either) so my buys are based of personal tastes and maybe a Google search. I doubt many craft beer/fine scotch drinkers base their decisions on any media input even if they are inundated with it.

            We try to limit what children are exposed to in the media because of societal norms, not because its going to change who they are. Theres lots of violence even in todays cartoons, albeit not as graphic as what was on in the 80’s and 90’s. Are people in that age group more prone to violence?

            Maybe my anecdotal life experiences are drastically different from yours but I’ve seen that people are in a constant state of change. No one actually gets set in their ways. What changes you is your experiences in society. Your everyday interactions with family, friends and co-workers. Not whats on the television or in print. Youre confusing what society and media are when you say “The real issue here is that society has kind of created a situation where what men find sexy and what women find sexy arent necessarily the same thing” (that goes without saying, we’re different) followed by “but we’re talking about trends in society, so it allows me to speak in generalizations.”. Its not a trend in society its a media trend. Some people follow media trends which I dont get but thats a relatively small portion. You know, bros will be bros and all.

            I agree that there are lots of factors that form who we are as people. I dont on the other hand believe that our personal tastes can be swayed by outside forces in any way. If that were the case Christians could “pray the gay away” and not just attempt to repress someones natural urges. Thats all that can be accomplished even with those extreme (crazy) tactics. To say media subtly conditions people is outlandish to me.

          • Rob M

            Then Im not really sure what you thought I was trying to say about marketing

            As far as everything else…We try to limit what children are exposed to because they are very impressionable at that age, they absorb everything..the flip side of that is that media is not the only thing they absorb, other factors play as strong or, in the case of family, even stronger roles…nor is nurture the only thing that determines behavior. Its not as simple as saying, well theyre no more violent than any other decade, so it must have no impact what so ever.
            The older people get though, the less likely they are to change their behavior, its one of the reasons people have a harder time picking up new skills as they age…The neural pathways in our brains develop and deepen and we just dont absorb as easily as we did when we were kids. That dosnt mean we cant adapt or change at all because of new experiences, but the degree that we do becomes more and more limited.

            Im not confusing society and media, they are inexplicably linked. Media cannot exist without a society to create it, and in turn society as a whole is reflected by the media it creates. Its when this reflection is analyzed, questioned, and yes, even manipulated that it can affect the society we live in. Authors, artists and musicians all know this, its the actual meaning behind the phrase “The pen is mightier than the sword”…media has actual power. If media had no impact at all on society, then propaganda would be a completely useless endeavor.

            So to take this back to my original point, Yes, I very much believe that what we find sexy about the gender we are attracted to can be influenced by the society we live in.

            At this point I think Im going to bow out…If you feel that what you take in has no impact on the choices you make in life than you are more than free to do so, we just hold a difference of opinion about it

          • BobLoblaw

            Just got back on the net, I respect we have a difference in opinions and I wish this was an actual conversation and not an internet exchange. They come off as cold and its aways easier to articulate the main viewpoint.

          • Rob M

            All good…I do appreciate the conversation, it was definitely one I was thinking about off and on throughout the day there

          • Nina Osegueda

            I would argue that skinny flat butts were totally “in” during the 80s and 90s, and it went in the opposite direction during the 2000s. Just look at Playboy’s photos throughout the years, you’ll see the trends change.

          • Ah, yes. The Longbuttz phenomenon.

          • Ted Nü-Djent ™

            Danzigs – She Rides video being the perfect example of the Longbuttz phenomenon
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qC-W0_cv85E

          • BobLoblaw

            I should have added 90’s as well. I remember those butts, or lack thereof, and i remember they didnt do anything for me. Still dont. Thats exactly what im saying, the medias depiction may shift but everyone (society) is more or less static. People were getting sprung from round things in their faces while the longbutt ruled the big/small screen, magazines, fashion, etc.

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

            People don’t quite have raging ankle fetishes like they did 100 or so years ago.

          • Ol Dirty Blastbeard

            says who

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

            Oh, I forgot the weird fetishes of you mountain men! *cues the banjo song from Deliverance*

          • Ol Dirty Blastbeard

            I used to live 20 minutes from where that was filmed

          • Nina Osegueda

            I will gladly accept a sudden influx of handsome shirtless men on stage. The last one I saw was DC Cooper. He can’t do it all on his own, guys!!

          • Rob M

            Hey…each to their own. Ive got no issues with there being a little something for the ladies

          • If I ever go to the US, I will do a stage presentation with your band in erotic elfic poses.

          • Nina Osegueda

            I look forward to this.

          • Max

            I played shirtless once. I also covered my torso in fake blood because it was Halloween.

            After the show, I put my shirt back on without bothering to wash the blood off first. Big mistake.

            I’m a very hairy guy. I realized that if I was gonna take my clothes off before having a shower to wash off the blood, I was gonna be giving myself a very painful full body wax. So I had to get in the shower with all my clothes still on to even stand a chance of removing them painlessly.

            Moral of story: I really suck at black metal and/or being sexy.

          • Nina Osegueda

            I believe in you!

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls
          • Max

            Oh, I’m way worse than that.

          • Dubs

            You got that shoulder/across the top of the back hair? If so, I know this feel.

          • Ted Nü-Djent ™

            Really? I just imagined you as one smooth all over being

          • Max

            That’s what I got!

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls
          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

            The one time I can think of where a guy did that was when I saw Finntroll live. Their singer = Pecks ahoy!

          • Nina Osegueda

            Yasssssss

          • Dubs

            I don’t think we’re really arguing against each other since, as you said, society and media sculpt what’s depicted as sexy. I’m just making the point that something like a Manowar album is not designed to appeal to women but to dudes. Guys look at it and want to rip their shirts off and beat their chests and wield their steel too. Women may find it attractive, but it isn’t the same, you know?

          • Boss theSpeedMetalBastard Ross

            It’s all about context.

          • Dubs

            Good point, Boss.

          • Rob M

            Nah..I dont think we’re really arguing, though we probably dont see exactly eye to eye on it either. Honestly, I think context plays a really big part…I mean there is a reason romance covers look like they do.

            EDIT: Hahaha…Boss beat me to it

          • Dubs

            The beefcake stereotype on the romance covers certainly exist for a reason, but I dunno that it’s comparable to the Butcher Babies (or particularly harmful to men, tbh). I think the more damaging sexism in media towards men tends to be less visually oriented and more about stereotypes.

          • Akerskronks ov Steele
          • Rob M

            Sorry Dubs…I got completely sidetracked with my other debate and lost my train of thought here.

            I’ll just say that basically I think the beefcake stereotype has its own negative connotations (dumbass meathead for example), but I’ll agree that how the Butcher Babies are portrayed is probably far more damaging to woman than how beefcake is towards men

          • Dubs

            No worries. I was actually thinking more about this discussion on the way home (let it never be said that I’m unreasonable and don’t consider a wide array of views), and I think you and Boss are right that context is key. The domain in which I’m most used to seeing this debate is video games. The GG crowd like to trot out characters like Kratos from God of War as being objectifying, but examples like that don’t work. Kratos is definitely a power fantasy in that we as male characters are supposed to want to be huge, shirtless badasses like Kratos. On the other hand, movies like Magic Mike are definitely objectifying. Similar visuals, different context. I think within the realm of metal, we rarely see many as objects and more as power symbols, but I suppose there could be examples of the former. I think objectification is wrong and damaging. You could probably argue that power symbols are too (in the sense that they reinforce a certain kind of strength rather than things like servanthood, caring, character, etc.)

            Anyway, thanks for the discussion and for letting me ponder this.

          • Rob M

            Happy to have the discussion. Always enjoy exchanging ideas with people who are actually willing to talk and not just yell past one another

          • FUCK YOU BOTH!!!!!!!!1!11!!!!!!!!1

          • Rob M

            Its just like posting on MS

          • Dubs

            For instance, a stereotype of men I’m tired of seeing is the deadbeat dad. Not all men are terrible fathers/husbands/etc., and I think young men could benefit from seeing men who are strong and caring for their family.

        • Guppusmaximus

          Possibly, but women go ape shit for men like this. I mean, that’s how Chippendales got popular enough for an SNL skit. Though, they probably won’t admit it because of the whole SJW bullshit going on.

          • Dubs

            Classic skit.

      • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls
  • Rob M

    “It’s like some music executive grew them in a lab”

    Hahaha!

  • hieronymus bossk

    http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/2174410/jerry-sloan-huh-o.gif

    Also; who the fuck are the Butcher Babies?

    • Rob M

      If you dont know…just be happy and leave it at that

    • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

      Boobs and STDs. That’s all you need to know about them.

  • COAL ROLL

    I have a friend on facebook who has these two as friends and he’s constantly making creepy comments on their posts.

  • Rob M

    Honestly, considering the growing number of female fronted bands out there that really are defying the stereotypes, these two come across as completely oblivious

  • Waynecro

    Short of making good music, nothing these gals do will make me care at all about the Butcher Babies. But, hey, Wikipedia says the dark-haired lady is part Ethiopian. If she puts on a bunch of weight, she’ll be well on her way to respectable levels of diversity.

  • What if some group of Magic Mikes came out and called themselves “Butcher Buddies”? Would they follow a similar career arc?

  • more beer

    Didn’t these chicks used to do porn?

    • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

      The black chick did shows and spreads for Playboy (boi oi oing!) before she did music. Not sure about the white chick, though.

  • Akerskronks ov Steele

    Step 5 or 6 or whatever number of Commercial success: Talk about how you just defied all of these invisible lines and odds that were against you as if you were the first to do it.

  • Yay for new Sarah Lafayette article!!!!

    Nah for Butcher Bebés.

    ** FLUSH **

    • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

      Booger Babies.

  • Damn, this article crushes it. Scathing and entertaining all at once.

  • David Vincent’s Spandex Shirt

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6_a1woHD98 Ok, so maybe I am a little guilty of falling into this whole industry trap when Tia Carrera (schwing) is being super rad and stuff.

    • Boss theSpeedMetalBastard Ross

      Dave! I almost bought an Adrian Smith Jackson today.

  • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

    This is exactly how every other interview of their’s goes, actually.

  • Janitor Jim Duggan

    My cousin loves them. I hate this band.

  • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

    Just think how much bigger someone like Susan Boyle would be if she only went the BB route and got naked on stage at every turn!

  • Guacamole Jim

    At the risk of provoking a shitstorm, I would like to have a few questions answered:

    1. Are these women not allowed to talk about empowerment and doing your best despite oppression simply because they’re thin and white?

    2. Are we assuming they had no choice whatsoever in performing almost naked? I’m not saying it’s not possible, but it feels insulting to assume that whenever women are sexual it must be an external force making them do it.

    As a white man, I believe women are oppressed by society, and we need to actively work to make this division a thing of the past. This feels like it’s promoting division between a group of people (women) who need to unite to overcome adversity. I’m more than happy to be proven wrong here, which is why I’m asking the questions.

    • The Tetrachord of Archytas

      Dubs and I were getting at this below I think. As far as I can tell, and I could be wrong, this is a case of looking at what they say versus what they actually appear to represent based on their output

    • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls
      • OldMetalHead

        Second Carlin bit I’ve watched today. Automatic up-vote!

        • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

          *takes a bow*

    • “You know, the thing is, so many times, especially as women in this industry, they try and tell you what you’re supposed to look like, sound like, act like — everything. So, for us, we went out there and defied those odds…”

      I think this statement is the crux of the collective complaint. Did anyone really try to tell these girls not to dress scantily or be provocative on stage? What odds did they defy? They played directly into the odds. That is how I perceive their career, anyway.

      It just seems like they’re co-opting the rhetoric of Empowerment to circumvent having to explain their abysmal lack of restraint or, failing that, talent.

      But of course they could be laughing all the way to the bank, in which case the joke would be on all of us losers lurking around here debating it.

      • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

        “It just seems like they’re co-opting the rhetoric of Empowerment to circumvent having to explain their abysmal lack of restraint or, failing that, talent.”

        Same thing could easily be said about Beyonce and her whole “I overcame the odds/empowerment” things, despite her career being practically handed to her by her rich dad.

      • Guacamole Jim

        That’s the question: did anyone tell them that? How can we assume they did/didn’t? This statement is vague, and from a different perspective (see my response to Joe below) they could be being totally honest.

    • I don’t begrudge their success. They’ve been very successful doing their thing. Part of their success included making a conscious choice to use their bodies as a defining factor in the marketing of their music, which is totally a cool thing to do if they choose to do it. But in doing so, it is incredibly disingenuous for them to claim that looks have nothing to do with succeeding in the music industry.

      • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

        A lot of bands/artists of their ilk do the exact same thing. They pretend to have it so hard, and they had to overcome insurmountable odds to make it, when it’s blatantly clear they were given a free pass. The aforementioned Lana Del Rey does the exact same thing, when everyone under the sun knows that her having a rich dad in the biz is a major factor in her success. Rather than doing like BB, though, she simply throws a “I wanna die, my life is so hard” fit here and there.
        It’s hip to make it look like you have it so much harder than everyone else, even if that’s obviously not the case.

        • more beer

          This is a band having it hard. These guys were fighting over a half a candy bar at times they were so broke on the road. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsPjS6nYR4k

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

            Seen it, and yep!

          • more beer

            I have the book.

          • Boss theSpeedMetalBastard Ross

            I loaned it to a buddy in high school, never gave it back to me. bastard.

          • more beer

            What a douche.

          • Boss theSpeedMetalBastard Ross

            He’s a cool dude, so it doesn’t bother me too much. but still, I want my damn book back.

          • more beer

            I would want mine back too.

      • Guacamole Jim

        I see your point, and it makes sense. I have one issue: never did they claim looks have nothing to do with success – rather, what they said was there is external influence on women to look a certain way in the music industry, and that (somehow) they are an example for all women that it doesn’t matter what you look like. Maybe they have the perspective that by wearing very little clothing they’re being empowering (and they certainly wouldn’t be the first feminists to do so!), and they’ve felt pressure to be more modest. In that case, their point is totally accurate to their situation.

  • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

    Lol, if you really wanna turn the tables and make men the objects for once:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBgpj4PW7-s

    • Nina Osegueda

      Mwahahaha!

      • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

        Lol, I thought it was about treating men like pieces of meat, which I’m totally down with! *cracks the whip and makes Channing Tatum grovel, oil up and make a sandwich*

        • Nina Osegueda

          That’s definitely the idea, though apparently some dudes on YouTube were offended that we switched the gender. Poor babies.

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

            LMAO, people actually got offended (I’ll have to read the comments for a laugh)? The original is the real life ‘Smell The Glove’, and one of the most misogynist songs this side of pornogrind.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrMWRKSNLcs

  • Óðinn

    I’m not really familiar with Butcher Babies or Lana Del Rey. I’ll assume they suck unless presented with credible evidence to the contrary.

    • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

      You’re assuming correctly. LDR is fucking horrible. As bad as BB, but in a whole other direction.

      http://t.fod4.com/t/2bf478a11b/c480x270_69.jpg

    • perhaps this isn’t the forum to do it in, but try Lana Del Rey’s “Off to the Races”.
      as somebody who doesn’t listen to radio, i often wonder if folks trash Lana simply because she IS on the radio. AKA i find her music quite gud.

      • Óðinn

        Thanks, McNulty. I’ll give her a listen in the near future.

  • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

    RIP, Merle Haggard, as the celebrity death train of 2016 rolls on……….

  • Janitor Jim Duggan

    I get what you’re saying Sarah and I agree with it. I could never be a famous singer because I’m fat and disabled which is a double whammy in the industry built on normalcy and looks.

    • While mainstream success seems to be available only to artists who fit into a certain mold, there are examples of people with disabilities finding success in the underground. Daniel Johnston, for example, is a local hero in Austin.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TV6LPx1ezYs

      • RJA

        The Daniel Johnston documentary – “The Devil and Daniel Johnston” – is an absolute must watch – one of my favorite music documentaries – can’t recommend it enough.

      • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

        Brilliant singer/songwriter! Haven’t heard his stuff in quite a while.

    • you being sad makes me sad. cheer up mang!

      • Janitor Jim Duggan

        I’m seeing Metal Church tomorrow so I’m happy.

  • Phoenix of the House Tendies

    There’s nothing wrong with being sexy. But if it becomes the main focus of your MUSICAL endeavor instead of you know, the acutal music, then it’s a problem. Especially when said music doesn’t measure up.

    Bands like Butcher Babies, and to a lesser extent Huntress, make things worse for the ladies who bust their ass making good music without flashing their boobies.

    Also, I’ll just leave this here.

  • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

    Flying Spaghetti Monster help me, I might actually watch American Idol this season. The legend that is William Hung has returned!

    http://www.tmz.com/2016/04/05/american-idol-finale-dunkleman-and-hung-return/#disqus_thread

  • Eliza

    Well, their music sucks, so the only thing appealing about this band is the two ladies’ looks.