After the Smoke Clears, We’ll Still Be Here

Things happened last night. We should talk about them.

I’m not entirely sure what happened in America last night. I’ve got a bundle of theories as to how and why so many Americans decided to vote for Donald Trump, the least electable man in modern politics, but my own predictions for this election turned out to be absurdly wrong. I obviously don’t know much about anything, so take this all with a grain of salt.

The working poor, an increasingly large portion of the country, have been shamed and ignored by Democrats and Republicans for decades. Rather than taking up their cause, the Democratic establishment has been content to pretend that impoverished Americans are simply backwoods morons. Their voices came through last night when they roundly decided to reject the status quo, in hopes that an anti-establishment outsider might finally represent their interests.

The American Left was roundly rejected in the Democratic primary when the DNC colluded to close their resources to a hugely popular candidate that represented populist progressive policies. Democratic pundits chose to denigrate jilted Sanders supporters as clueless Millennials. Clinton’s campaign made no effort to embrace progressive policies, instead choosing to adopt a further centrist position with the endorsement of many Republican politicians. Many of these Leftists opted to stay home, rather than vote for a candidate they didn’t think represented their interests.

Hillary Clinton has been wildly unpopular with the American electorate for twenty years. Many people dislike her for her politics. Many people dislike her for her close-knit relationships with bankers, foreign governments, and war criminals like Henry Kissinger. And of course, many misogynists hate her simply because of her gender. Some voted Trump, many more simply stayed home.

America is also a deeply hateful country. White supremacists came out of the woodwork to publicly support the candidate that promised closed borders, forced deportations, and expressed contempt for almost every minority group in the nation. These angry people assembled and voted with gusto.

These factors, and countless more, have influenced the result of the biggest election in the world. Donald Trump will be President of the United States. Today, the specter of fascism looms heavily over America and the grifters will swarm out from the woodwork. Though I should abstain from making any more predictions, I predict life is going to be very hard for a massive portion of America, and likely for the world at large.

Allow me one more prediction: I believe that we can overcome any hardship that comes our way.

Though the United States legislative and executive branch are firmly in the hands of terrifyingly cynical and nihilistic leaders, it’s essential to remember that not all is lost. Life is going to be hard. Things will probably not be OK. But together we will keep going.

An individual’s sphere of influence is small. Our voices are limited to our families, our friends, and our communities. Rather than lament our small place in the world, we must embrace our loved ones and work for our communities. They are the few things that can comfort and support us in times of need.

Though it’s a weird little toilet-themed heavy metal blog, I’m proud that Toilet ov Hell is a strong, supportive online community. The people here have formed real, lasting friendships, and supported each other in myriad ways. No one knows what will happen next. Many of us have real reasons to be afraid. We will support you.

I’m a white, middle-class man. I don’t face the prejudice or danger that many immigrants, people of color, impoverished people, LBGTQ, and women must confront. But if I’ve learned anything in the two-and-a-half years this silly website has existed, it is that this community will always work to help our own. Fight for the causes you believe in. Never quit making or supporting the art you love. And we will carry on.

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Published on: November 9, 2016

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  • Maik Beninton™
  • King Shit of Fuck Mountain
  • Jack Rabbit

    I hope everyone is hanging in there. We’ve survived worse in this country, and there should be enough decent people on both sides of the aisle to prevent anything drastic from occurring. I still have faith that the majority of this country is good, just confused.
    Also, Hillary currently leads the popular vote. If this election is decided by the electoral college like 2000, there may be legitimate rioting.

    • more beer

      But the electoral collage is how we decide. It sucks but it is what it is.

  • Elegant Gazing Globe
    • Señor Jefe El Rosa

      PARTY ON DUDE!

  • Joaquin Stick

    Well said Joe. I’m realizing that the only way to avoid debilitating anger is to renounce my person-hood for the moment and attempt to see things from a 10,000 foot view. I can hope that this will cause a dramatic shift in the coming years for the better, now that people see what happens when hate wins. I feel awful for anyone this personally affects.

    But for now, it’s best to just realize that we live in (possibly) the most interesting time in the history of the world, and really none of us know what is going to happen next. It will be interesting, if nothing else. I can’t wait to be a part of the thing that makes this go away.

  • Howard Dean

    Joe,

    You and I have differences of opinion on many things. But I’d like to highlight these two paragraphs, because I think you hit the nail so hard on the head with these two:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/67b56284f241d9f538feb1b74b28cf544ba105df65e328a2792fce8848f9c629.jpg

    Could not have said it better myself. To me, this is literally the crux of the entire election. Spot fucking on.

    • Ted Nü-Djent ™

      That looks to be the sentiment for many of us outsiders looking in too

  • Bravo Joe! I think we all needed this. The people who voted for Trump are disillusioned if they think the Orange Spray Tan Prez is going to wave his magic Don Wand and do any of the things he said during his campaign.

    • Megan Alexandra

      I think disillusionment is the theme of the day for sure

      • My opinion of the electorate of this country is that they are wildly misinformed. This election is confirmation of that.

  • Eliza

    I just hope there won’t another world war.

    • I think we foreigners are even more terrified than Americans with the election of a reality show star as president.

      • Eliza

        I hope everything will be okay. Living in a time of war is something that I’m deeply terrified of.

  • Great post, Joe. Really appreciate this.

  • Mosh Hoff

    Well put, hombre.

    *random Mayhem song*

  • King Shit of Fuck Mountain
  • Jack Rabbit

    This kinda made me feel better
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXhFGO8R7aU

    • Joaquin Stick

      How is anyone in the world this good at speaking off the cuff?

      • Jack Rabbit

        It is actually remarkable. Even in times of pure political shit, Colbert always made me feel like there was a light at the end of the tunnel, and this video pretty much exemplifies that

      • He’s one of the best satirists of this generation for a good reason.

      • Óðinn

        Colbert is a comic genius.

  • CyberneticOrganism

    Very well said, Joe. I’d also like to respectfully add my sentiment of WHAT THE FUCK HAVE YOU DONE YOU MORONIC SHITSACKS?!

    http://img.pandawhale.com/91750-Terminator-smile-goes-away-gif-NnCX.gif

  • frozengoatsheadupanunsarse
    • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

      That movie was so fucked.

      • frozengoatsheadupanunsarse

        I really love it. Even my normie brothers are fans as well.

  • In the end, we are all still going to die. I find comfort in that.

  • Freedom Jew

    Very well said, Joe. We’ll get through this.

  • Señor Jefe El Rosa

    I want to add something, but everything I want to say just comes off as extremely corny, wannabe Manowar lyrics, so I offer this to everyone here:

    HAIL!

  • I can be very passionate while discussing politics and be very annoying too. So I will just limit to say that Dubs personal message I saw this morning, and this post are the closest I can be with you right now. I’m not saying this only for empathy, it is because political life is not only made by a President or a Congress, it’s in all the communities and individuals that makes a country.

    All what you’re passing by with this election is what my country have suffered in the last 18 years with Chávez. The division and the poisonous words of the media and the political elites contaminated our people and now we’re doomed for who knows so many years to come. I just wish that you learn of what we are enduring over here and realize that you don’t need to expect one president or another to make a real change. Your country doesn’t need to be “great again”, you just have to find balances and make changes in what you need to, all together.

    Politics divides, real sense of community is the key.

  • Megan Alexandra

    Great write up. What we need now is compassion, understanding, and community. My heart goes out to Americans.

  • Guacamole Jim

    As a Canadian, I feel bad for all my US friends (even those who voted for Trump), having to decide between two candidates so universally disliked. I’m sorry the candidate so many thought was the better choice lost, and I’m sorry so many people felt Trump was the only option to shake things up.

    But I’m also glad to see everyone remaining positive, committing to unity and friendship regardless of the political climate. Turn this adversity into togetherness and strength, fight injustice at all levels, and commit to loving your fellow human, and we’ll all probably be okay.

  • RustyShackleford

    Right on man. Thank you. Hate may have won the battle but it ain’t gonna win the war. Time to unite and take care of one another cause it’s gonna be a bumpy fucking ride. Love your friends, family, and toilet-themed blog pals. Time to focus on that and something other than politics for awhile.

    Yep.

  • I love all you guys, even the ones I don’t agree with politically, musically, or even socially. Keep looking out for your friends and neighbors, and fight the good fight. I have a strong feeling that this won’t be nearly as bad as so many people think it will be.

    • Freedom Jew

      One can hope. Time will tell.

    • It won’t be. He won’t be able to do most of the things he promised to do aside from repealing obamacare. Walls won’t get built and there will be no world war. The real tradgedy here is the realization that the American people elected a person with the “values” trump has. All the progress we’ve made toward equality and being free has been completely shat on in a single evening. Things may not change much, but at the same time will never be the same.

      • Jack Rabbit

        I’m also a little worried that the EPA will be gutted, but maybe they’ll surprise me

        • Well, i doubt Trump will have a second term. I expect his health won’t allow it or he just wont want to so hopefully we only ignore climate change for 4years? Ignoring it at all seems like a fucking awful idea but everything is terrible anyway.

          • Depechemodeisgangsta

            Not for me man, i live in Miami, when it rains hard the streets are flooded, in 4 years if we don’t pay attention to EPA, we will be underwater.

          • Yea, thats the one thing that worries me more than anything honestly. The weather is so fucked and anyone who denies the existence of climate change is either a complete moron or just in denial.

          • Depechemodeisgangsta

            This summer out of nowhere, there was a day that it started raining about 5PM to about 9PM non stop heavy rain, I’m not lying, most of the roads were flooded, people couldn’t drive, cars getting stuck, since down here people don’t really drive Trucks, is mostly low cars, sedan style.

          • I’m in the midwest and its usually cold and snowing by now. It’s currently 70 degrees and sunny wtf

          • Depechemodeisgangsta

            I went for a quick weekend trip to Dallas last week, and normally is around low 70’s, but i was please that it was just a nice 80’s all the time, IDK if it’s because the earth keeps getting warmer, but i do see that today most places starting to get the cold fronts and dropping Temperatures.

      • Exactly.

      • Nine Inch Males

        Not going to say anything besides this as I love my role as a lurker far too much, but there will be a Republican majority in both Congress and the Supreme Court. If the lead up to this election is any indication of the years to come, Republican politicians on all levels will be quickly succumbing to the twisted will of Trump. Things will get done and they will have disastrous consequences.

      • GoatForest

        Bingo.

  • Biggest turnout since 1960 and we vote for the biggest joke in the modern era, and we have a majority red congress now to boot. Great. I guess we deserve this.

    • Eliza

      I’ve heard the phrase “every country has the leader it deserves” more that once, but I don’t think anyone deserves this.

      • I sincerely hope it doesn’t turn into “every country”, a lot of far-right leaders in Europe are going to very emboldened by Trump’s victory.

        • Eliza

          Dark times await us.

      • CyberneticOrganism

        Nobody deserves a sentient loose turd as president.

      • KyleJMcBride

        Hey, hope you are well.

        • Eliza

          I’ll be fine, hopefully. (OMG, IT’S KJM)

    • EsusMoose

      As far as I’ve seen it’s actually the lowest percentage since 2000

      • Yep, you’re right, amending that.

  • Freedom Jew

    Everyone should be mashing that Recommend button to spread this out beyond the Toilet.

    • About to share on Google+ right now…

      • Hubert

        Haha

        • Fuck yes! Two clicks in 24 hours, we’re skyrocketting in Alexa, mah bois!

  • BRING BACK HUGO CHAVEZ! MAKE AMERICA MALANDROS AGAIN!

  • nbm02ss

    Maybe this will bring about some wicked grind, and possibly a punk resurgence. That’s something to look forward to, right?

    • more beer

      I said this a while ago. It may be better than the Reagan administration. Man a lot of good music came out then.

    • Dumpster Lung ᴰᵃᵐᵃᵍᵉ_ᴵⁿᶜ⁸⁹

      Was just sharing that same sentiment last night with friends. Iron Reagan very well may put out 2 albums in 2017 instead of just the one we know about haha.

  • mother☆shabubu
    • Howard Dean

      Joe touched on this in his statement (“…establishment has been content to pretend that impoverished Americans are simply backwoods morons.”), but I’ll add to it.

      To be fair to the people living in the middle of no-where America: I think a large part of the reason why they voted the way they did was because they really dislike being denigrated and talked down to by the people on the coasts and in the cities. If somebody called me stupid and told me I wasn’t as important as the people who happened to live in cities, I’d get pissed off eventually, too. This doesn’t excuse all their actions and opinions, of course. But it gives a little color to why they feel this way.

      • mother☆shabubu

        And their feelings will be perpetuating in the next coming years any time Trump makes a mistake or does something the places that matter don’t like. Especially with things like this going around:
        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3e6bffdfefea9f1d7099dde5d376270017a9a511033d1257a125f9d77b64905c.jpg

        • Óðinn

          Yeah, except Trump doesn’t give a shit about “Dumbfuckistan”. He’s from new York, he grew up wealthy, and he’s one of the people directly responsible for shipping jobs overseas. He just wanted their votes, and he got them. Their lives are about to get worse.

          On the whole, Americans are ignorant about politics. Many see it as a point of pride to be ignorant. What many Trump voters heard was, “Your lives are shit because Mexicans, blacks, Muslims. Trump is going to punish those people.” What Trump largely has in common with his supporters is racism.

          Is it entirely their fault? No. The news media has been steadily placed under corporate control over the past 35 years, and public education has been eroded to the point where it’s ineffectual.

          I hope that everything goes okay. Hopefully Trump doesn’t start multiple new wars and bring back the draft. I’ll be okay. I have citizenship in multiple countries, but not everybody does.

          • more beer

            Even With most of the media leaning to the left. Trump still got elected. Maybe if they tried being impartial, like they are supposed to be. Most of the population wouldn’t be so tired of being lied to by all of their spin. I also think people are sick of being afraid to voice their opinions. For fear of being ostracized by those who don’t agree with them. These are nothing short of modern day witch hunts. These were two of the dirtiest campaigns in history. By two despicable people. Anyone who voted for either one ought to be ashamed of themselves. This wasn’t like most elections where there is a lesser of two evils. There were only two evils. What I find hard to believe is that more people didn’t realize this and vote for a third party candidate. As great big fuck you to both of them. But apparently we are surround by idiots.

          • Óðinn

            Media studies, communications, and film are my areas of expertise. It’s actually a right-wing myth that “the media” leans to the left. If anything, it’s been been steadily dragged to the right by corporate mergers, media consolidation, and the efforts of the GOP (including their propaganda wing, Fox News). If the media were actually impartial, they would have been a lot more critical of Trump. The actual fact is that the media, and I’ll use CNN as the best example, likes to keep the political parties separate but equal. But they are not. The news networks treated Donald Trump like entertainment rather than pointing out that he’s actually a despicable person. It’s the critical point of view that has been stripped from the media. It’s the media who are too afraid to voice the truth for fear of their corporate partners, TV ratings, and stock prices. News outlets were no longer bound to honesty after the fairness doctrine was appealed by the Republicans in the 1980s. The real problem with the media is the same problem with our Democracy, we don’t put limits on capitalism. So, now we have a functional oligarchy instead of a democracy.

            Personally, I would have wanted Sanders or Warren as a candidate, so I do blame the Democratic party for not being progressive enough. A third party might be a good idea, butt would take time to be viable though. I actually thought the third party candidates were weak in this election. I wasn’t impressed by Jill Stein either. I know you’re a Gary Johnson supporter, but I don’t like his fiscal policies, his position on firearms, or his knowledge of foreign affairs. I like some of his social policies though. At least you voted have an opinion. I did feel that Hillary was the lesser of two evils in this case, even though I feel she’s too centrist (or actually too far to the right). I didn’t think this was the right election to vote third party, especially when I didn’t like the third party candidates either.

            Let’s see what Trump does. Some people have short memories and don’t remember just how bad the last Republican president was. My guess is that Trump could be much worse. Get ready for Secretary of State, Sarah Palin.

          • more beer

            I just thought Johnson was a more sane choice than either one of the candidates. He did a good job as Governor of New Mexico. Neither one of these candidates had our best interest in mind. As for the media. It may be your area of expertise. But I can read. It seemed very biased for Clinton. Plus they are constantly pushing their own agendas. It used to be that pushing an agenda was either an opinion piece or an editorial. Not so anymore. They need to state the facts and let the people come to their own conclusions. Now there are all of these violent protests going on. Trump won it sucks. But none of this is going to change the fact that he is the President Elect and on January 20 2017 he will take over for Obama. This is how democracy works. So to me these are protests against democracy. At this point all we can do is hope for the best but expect the worst.

          • Óðinn

            It might have seemed biased for Clinton, but it was not. In fact, the larger media outlets tried to equalize their faults when they were nowhere near equal. The right to peaceful protest is actually fundamental to the first amendment and democracy. Violence, on the other hand, can be illegal. But you’re right that Trump won. And in spite of the fact that he was perceived by his voters as an outsider and a man of the people, he is actually a billionaire who gained his position from his daddy. He’s never had to struggle for anything. He’s not an outsider.

          • more beer

            I agree with peaceful protest. But there wasn’t a whole lot of that last night. Setting fires, blocking, freeways, breaking windows, and throwing bottles at cops is not peaecful protest. We are going to have to agree to disagree on the bias of the media. All we can do and see what happens over the next 4 years. I have always realized he was part of the 1% but so is Hilary. At least 4 more states put an end to reefer madness and there are 3 more states that allow medical marijuana.

          • Óðinn

            Yup. I’ll agree to disagree. Nobody can tell the future, but my guess is that Trump will do many things that people don’t like. Good news about MJ. Making marijuana illegal was never about the drug itself. It’s been a means of criminalizing groups of people ever since Harry Anslinger’s crusades in the 1930s. Make MJ illegal, and the people we don’t like end up in jail.

          • more beer

            I know all about Mr Anslinger. Who knows with Trump. He hasn’t even been sworn in yet. The whole doomsday scenario is pretty far fetched. Who knows maybe he will make America great again. Time will tell.

          • “It’s actually a right-wing myth that “the media” leans to the left”.
            You’re goddamnt right. Media corporate is on par with pharamecuticals and all kind of elite, it’s such a big conglomerate ruled by few people that is so scary.

      • I know a number of people who have expressed not liking being talked down to. I am glad we are at least talking about it. Interesting for sure.

      • more beer

        The working class has been getting shit on for years by the establishment. With little or no return on their hard work. I believe people were just fed up.

        • Óðinn

          ….and dumber than a bag of hammers.

          • more beer

            I am a blue collar working class guy. I didn’t vote for either of those 1% elitists. But believe it I voted. That is a pretty broad statement ny the way.

          • Óðinn

            On the whole, the American electorate is under-educated and grossly misinformed. It would be way to generous and PC of me to pretend that Trump didn’t win because people are ignorant. They are. My comments aren’t directed at you specifically. It’s good that you voted. Working class people’s lives are most likely going to get much worse now though.

      • Weirdly enough, that kind of resentment and hate in both classes give raise to the pseudo-leftist goverments in Latin America, and you get the right.

        Weird, uh?

        • Howard Dean

          A lot of Trump’s economic ideas are actually more left-leaning and populist than what’s generally “allowed” from the American right (that’s honestly why he did so well in the Rust Belt and some of our other impoverished and rural areas–even ones that are traditionally more leftist), and he’s not overly religious, so he also parts with the traditional American right here, too. He’s a very strange candidate. He’s essentially a conservative candidate who is more left-leaning than the liberal candidate he faced (who is actually more right-leaning). Flip-flopped stuff that turned America on its head.

          • You’re right about that. Was checking some info on his economic views and is kinda populist, but also protectionist and nationalist. Let’s see how this evolve!

    • Pence frightens me, he could be Dick Cheney 2.0.

  • Dave Vincent’s Perm

    Thank you for not demonising half your country for ticking a different box to you. More people should take after that attitude.

  • CyberneticOrganism

    TovH > America

  • Old Man Doom

    Thanks, Joe. I’m very glad to be a part this community.

  • zzzzzzzzzzz for president

  • Kevin Nash’s Jackknife

    As of now Mr. In Your House 4 and the Dad Rock Revue are done. I’m too uncertain about the future to continue any of my projects. I’m very scared for this country.

    • Joaquin Stick

      Mr. In Your White House 5

    • Señor Jefe El Rosa

      This is the worst possible mind set to be in. You need to remain yourself and continue doing the things you love. Imagine if all the distressed people in the world just stopped doing that. No more music, movies, storytelling and art. The world would turn into a mundane place and that would truly bring a tear to my eye. Use this opportunity to do something great, do not hide behind sorrow.

      Please, JJD, don’t stop being you because of someone else.

      • Truth and I cannot back this statement hard enough.

      • more beer

        Exactly life goes on.

      • Kevin Nash’s Jackknife

        I guess you’re right. Time to create one last opus before I put MIYH4 to rest for good.

        • Señor Jefe El Rosa

          And then on to MIYWH5

    • Howard Dean

      Christ! How the fuck am I supposed to process all of this news today?! Gonna blast “Silent Rage at a Foghat Concert in Eden” all day and pray for a glorious reunion tour one day. RIP.

      • Kevin Nash’s Jackknife

        There will never be a reunion album or tour, just one last album and a farewell performance.

    • KyleJMcBride

      Hey dude. Hope you are well.

      • Kevin Nash’s Jackknife

        I’m good.

        • KyleJMcBride

          I went to a Beyond Wrestling/EVOLVE double header back in June, gonna go to another next month.

          • Kevin Nash’s Jackknife

            I’m seeing a wrestling event on the 19th with Sting and Kevin Nash among others.

          • KyleJMcBride

            There’s also an NXT event in Boston this month I might go to.

          • Kevin Nash’s Jackknife

            I went to an NXT event in my area in April. It was very good.

  • ME GORAK™✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ
  • Scrimm

    This community continues to blow my mind.

    • I have met six folks from the blog IRL so far (including one dork in Arizona), and they’re just the coolest and nicest people. Anyone who chooses to bicker and argue online (whether it’s here or on other sites) is doing it wrong, plain and simple.

      • Scrimm

        People from Arizona suck

        • You should meet Venezuelans, they are the worst.

          • Scrimm

            There’s one I’d like to meet

    • KyleJMcBride

      (waves hello)

      • Scrimm

        Hey it’s you!

        • KyleJMcBride

          Hey man, hope you’re well.

  • J.R.™

    We’ll be fine.

    • Lacertilian

      I’m sure most straight white males with a job and a house agree.

      • J.R.™

        People are making it seem like right wing death squads are going to start marching through their neighborhoods, and I think it’s a little much. America will endure (prosper, in my estimation). I really don’t want to get into discussing political ideologies in this, the sacred Toilet, but I think it makes sense to be anxious, especially after how negatively Trump has been painted. I maintain my belief that everything will be groovy

        • Lacertilian

          Trump painted himself negatively with his own mouth (to anyone with a conscience).

          • Óðinn

            Yeah, I have to agree. He gave a negative impression of himself, and too many people agree with his deplorable views. If anything, the media was way too easy on Trump. They gave him free publicity without being properly critical.

          • J.R.™

            So much of what the guy said was presented without any semblance of contextual framing, either within the conversation the blunderous statement was made, or within the broader message as a whole. A lot of what he said was impolite and harsh. Offensive, sure. But a lot of the medals they hung on him (racist, LGBT enemy, sexist) I do not think he earned. Keep in mind, he did say some specifically not nice things about people from certain areas, and was caught saying some not nice things about women, but enough so to pin so much hate to the man? Not to me. The anti LGBT thing always perplexed me, but I chalked that up to peoples beef with Pence / supreme court stuff. Anyways, I think trump said some things that were hard to hear for many, and instead of maybe talking it out and discussing the issue, the easier way out was to call him a “whatever-ist” and stay in the echo bubble.

            Of course I’m a fan of the echo bubble myself so I’m not without sin either

          • EsusMoose

            The LGBT thing probably is associated with him wanting to sign in a bill to allow for discrimination based on religious beliefs aka allowing a store to not sell it’s products to people because their religion says they’re bad. To extend, with the republican majority there’s a high chance gay marriage will be repealed. So yes, he came off as enemy of LGBT people

          • J.R.™

            To me, the greater evil is a Federal body having the power to be able to dictate to a business who to sell to and who not to sell to. However, people who do this are total cockbags, and they would no longer get my business. In most cases, I would think the long arm of the capitalist economy would kick in, they would see theyre losing business for being cockbags, and would shut down etc. Of course, if the marginalized party lives in an area where every store owner is a cockbag, I could see there being issues with my ponderings. Regardless, it is in line with Trumps desires for smaller government, and to me not quite reflective of anti LGBT leanings from him. Juvenile argument: technically they could discriminate against me bc of my rock and roll, so. Not directly targeting LGBT.

            Re: Marriage, being the intricate social/political union that is, i dont think it belongs in any Federal hands. It’s largely a community announcement of pairing, and as such the communities (state level, I’d say. maybe smaller) should be able to define what “marriage” constitutes, how they want to go about officially recognizing that stuff, what benefits they want to give married couples, etc. Now I think gay marriage should be legal everywhere. As such, I vote in my local elections to turn my community to that goal. What SHOULD be in the Constitution regarding gay marriage is language about accepting licenses issued in gay-marriage states (i believe this is already in there), but the text about “they have to also issue them” is not quite my thing. Trump has said about as much regarding sending it back to the states. The man himself has a history of being an LGBT ally, and most of the labeling of him as anything other has stemmed from poor understanding of his policies, disagreement in the interpretation of marriage’s place in the Constitution, and a healthy amount of media spin.

            I have typed way too much about stuff I know only marginally about, and looking up the language of the Obergefell V Hodges ruling has basically extinguished what little research potential I have. Thanks for giving me an opportunity to explore my thoughts, and I cant wait to read your reply.

          • EsusMoose

            I have been bad about checking disqus lately but I will get back and digest this properly then respond later

          • J.R.™

            It’s all good. I’m all for hashing ideas out as pals

          • EsusMoose

            Taken me a bit to respond and honestly I don’t have a whole lot, I keep hearing Trump changing his mind on things so I cannot comment on a lot of that. I’ll try to keep it short or I’ll take an hour to write this. I think for store discrimination enough people don’t care for it to not work. I do think the federal gov’t should enforce laws when it’s common sense, if we left gay marriage up to the states it’s not too hard to believe some parts of the south would be be holding out for another couple decades. We can look at the civil rights act of 1964 for an equivalent, it gave them power to enforce desegregation when most of the south was against it. (Interesting enough, after a quick read a lot of southern democrats voted against it, which makes me want to read up on the politics of that era a little more and how the parties were like cause it seems the south was more democrat leaning prior to it, I digress). We can probably also look at North Carolina’s bathroom bill which has caused possibly millions of lost revenue for the state (many large sport tournaments and other events have left the state), and the law still is there. Money only can do so much.
            As I did say above I don’t know how Trump will be, especially now that he said a little bit earlier he’s fine with gay marriage as a law. That does almost excuse him. But then you have Pence who seems to be very much anti-gay.
            Not directly on subject, but I do believe there is some benefit for homogeneity in law because sometimes you need to force some states to accept things. This is another moment where the South is a good example due to it’s obstinate behavior towards ending slavery (I know there’s others but brain isn’t functioning super highly right now). I’d believe in state rights more if movement of people was easier, but I doubt many people who dislike the laws of their state can afford to relocate their families to a state where they agree with the law more. Well I still ended up taking like an hour, and not a whole lot to show for it.

          • J.R.™

            I typed out like 20 different responses, but most of them really were just: “you are correct”. Trump may have picked Mike “come out as queer, get the Amperes” Pence as an insurance policy against attempts on his life, who knows.

          • EsusMoose

            I mean Clinton grabbed test tube grown Kaine to appeal to middle religious America, VP picks should probably be a more exact science but they keep being kinda bad at it

      • KyleJMcBride

        (waves)

  • Count_Breznak

    This result is most likely better for world peace, and maybe worse for the US.

    • Better for peace with Russia, much worse for peace with China.

      • Count_Breznak

        Doubt there will be anything happening there, nothing to gain for pretty much everyone involved. The middle east and africa on the other hand…

        • Óðinn

          They’ll find a way. Trump has thin skin, and war is highly profitable. Cheney and the Bush family fattened their wallets on the Iraq war, and nobody cared.

          • Count_Breznak

            The US generally only attack countries that won’t fight back, are “far” away and/or former “friends”. China is neither.
            Not to mention the whole lot of “made in china” things.

          • Óðinn

            Not China specifically, but war.

  • NefariousDude

    Well said Papa Joe

    • Howard Dean

      NefariousDude! Fucking righteous!

      • NefariousDude

        I am always in the shadows, watching over my toilet brethren.

        • Howard Dean

          BYAH!

        • Wait a second, that’s what Sir Crawfish said a few weeks ago. Have we ever seen you two in the same room at the same time?………….

          • NefariousDude

            I have no desire to don the guise of a minuscule shellfish, good sir!

  • Waynecro

    I try to avoid getting into politics here, so I’ll just say this: Hanging out at the Toilet ov Hell is the best part of my day pretty much every day. Thanks to Joe and everyone else who makes this the best metal website on the internet.

    • GoatForest

      This site is the polar opposite of MS. The articles are well written and insightful, and the comments section hasn’t turned into the youtube comments section.

  • OldMetalHead

    Thanks for taking the time to write this. It’s way more incisive than a lot of what I’ve been reading from people paid to be incisive! This whole election cycle has been a shit show from beginning to end. What ever happens, I hope the result serves to wake up the establishment about the dangers of taking the electorate for granted. Wouldn’t it be great if we had someone to vote “FOR” next time or ,shocking idea I know, two someones.

    • more beer

      Worst election cycle in my lifetime. I have been paying attention since Nixon resigned.

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      Trump was endorsed by the KKK, and people still voted for him.

      https://padresteve.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/kkk-trump.jpg

      • WTF, man.

        • Óðinn

          That alone should make people not want to vote for him. But America has a long history with racism, and many racist people wish they could be openly racist. Trump gives them that hope. He gives hope to racists.

  • Rob M

    While I feel this whole election cycle has been one giant shitshow, lead by quite possibly the two worst candidates either party could have put forward, I think maybe we’re taking this whole “Its the end of the world” thing a bit far…

    Odds are, the world will keep on turning, it will be business as usual in D.C, and if we’re really lucky this dumbass will be out on his ear in four years

    • Max

      Well said. I’ve kept up with it all by reading Salon.com, and the way they’ve been carrying on this year, they must be having a prolapse now.

      • Rob M

        A lot of the comments Ive seen by various anti-trump people are really taking this into the deep end.
        I think its fine to worry about what this is going to mean for this country, and I think its fine to be upset about his win, but we really need to get a bit of perspective here as well…

        • Max

          I don’t want to trivialize sexual assault or the lifelong effects that it has on its victims. And I can’t speak for them since I’ve never been one.

          I do, however, remember reading – when Trump’s pussy-grabbing tape was exposed – that a woman in Brooklyn was so angry and upset about it she deleted Tinder from her phone and resolved to not ever have sex with men for the forseeable future. I thought – that is REAL lack of perspective.

  • Max

    If I were American I would never have voted for Trump, just based on his shady business practices relating to contractors and employees, and on his tax avoidance. They’re two things that always condemn a person in my estimation. That’s before we even get started on the sleazy behaviour, temperamental narciscism or unrealistic policies.

    That said, I think Joe has perfectly explained and summed up how the result was gotten. I didn’t expect a Trump win but I always thought it was going to be a lot closer than the “liberal media” were frantically assuring themselves. The truth is that in Western anglo-saxon democracies, getting the centre-left party into office is NEVER as easy as getting the centre-right in – ever; no matter what the polls say nor the quality of the candidates.

    Whether we like it or not, there is appeal in a lot of what Trump says. What separates me from conservatives is that I really don’t think “businessmen” (successful or otherwise) are any more equipped to run nations than anybody else – if anything they’re worse. A country is not a corporation. But if you’re the sort of person who DOES believe that, why WOULDN’T you nominate and vote for an actual oligarch rather than some shithead like Ted Cruz and the 16-or-so other Republican candidates who were nothing more than hand-puppets for the oligarchy (including some of them having been bankrolled by donations from Trump himself at various times)?

    The same could be said of Hillary as a puppet for plutocrats, as it could be said of many politicians in America and elsewhere. When a system is basically democracy-for-sale to the highest corporate bidder, how on earth is a billionaire who largely funded his own campaign (and didn’t even have to spend much of it due to the media’s horrible fascination with him) somehow going to come out as LESS sincere or genuine than the candidate who is endorsed by Wall Street, Henry Kissinger and Dick fucking Cheney – and does nothing to distance herself from those endorsements?

    I’ll never forget some Trump footage I saw – addressing his crowd about the detractors of his wall-building plan: (paraphrasing) “It’s a fence. I’m in construction – trust me, fences are easy.” I’m not getting the tone right by putting it in print; but I definitely remember thinking – that’s how you communicate with these people. It’s been a long time – if ever – since I’ve heard politicians speak like that. Hillary never would have. I got a similar feeling when Trump tweeted about the nightclub shooting. I hate to say it, but I can see the appeal.

    My rant’s not helping anybody so I’ll stop. But my sincere commiserations to any Toileteers who didn’t want a Trump Presidency and are now in Day One of it. And congrats again to Joe on a thoughtful piece.

  • TrickleDownOvTacoKvltRiff

    Great stuff Joe. And there’s no place like home: here. I found it interesting that three of the groups who stand to be effected most did not show up to vote in numbers equal to 2012. Apathy, indifference or two party angst without action allowed this to happen. So we move forward into the abyss.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/09/hillary-clinton-failed-to-win-over-black-hispanic-and-female-vot/

  • ‘the least electable man in modern politics’

    You sure about that? LOL

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  • The_Dude

    Thanks man, I really needed someone to tell me that everything’s going to be alright.

  • KyleJMcBride

    Hello everyone.

    I wouldn’t blame any of you if my return causes bad vibes. I just think that, given recent events, any issues I may have had with anyone here seem very small and unimportant, and I apologize.

    I’d like to return “home” if you all will have me. If not, I’ll leave and never post again. Promise.

    • more beer

      Welcome back my friend.

      • KyleJMcBride

        Thank you. For reasons you and I have already discussed, I think I need to be around more like-minded people.

        • more beer

          Absolutely. Remember not everyone will agree all the time. It would be a boring world if we did.

          • KyleJMcBride

            I can live with that.

  • KyleJMcBride

    I don’t give a shit about myself. I’ll be fine. I worry more for people who don’t have it as good as me.

  • KyleJMcBride

    A lot of racist, sexist, homophobic assholes are gonna feel very empowered for the near future. That’s who I worry about.

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    Hitler virtually wrote the modern playbook on demagoguery, arguing in “Mein Kampf” that propaganda must appeal to the emotions — not the reasoning powers — of the crowd. Its “purely intellectual level,” Hitler said, “will have to be that of the lowest mental common denominator among the public it is desired to reach.” Because the understanding of the masses “is feeble,” he went on, effective propaganda needed to be boiled down to a few slogans that should be “persistently repeated until the very last individual has come to grasp the idea that has been put forward.”

    “Make America Great Again.” – Donald Trump

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-used-to-keep-a-book-of-hitlers-speeches-by-his-bed-according-to-his-ex-wife-a6765391.html

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    Eidelman, Scott, et al. “Low-Effort Thought Promotes Political Conservatism.” Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin, vol. 38, no. 6, 2012., pp. 808-820.