A Revisitation: Drowning Pool’s Sinner

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To be a metalhead is to have a somewhat embarrassing and shameful past. It might sound shocking, but not all of us leap forth from our metallic womb with our Autopsy LPs and Leviathan shirts. I, like many of you, started with the lowest rung of metal bands before becoming kvlt enough to be allowed to enjoy Sunn O))). I started at an especially dark time in the history of heavy, a time rule by JNCOs and frosted tips (which I proved unable to escape). Indeed, I heeded the siren call of nu-metal as an angsty middle schooler, and calling loudest of all were local newcomers Drowning Pool.

I believe the first time I heard Drowning Pool was around the release of Jason X, a movie that’s advertising utilized the song “Bodies” HEAVILY. I was naturally attracted to the movie as it was about a hockey man in space murdering teenagers while they were “doing it.” A song about bodies piling up was the perfect soundtrack, and at the time I thought it was the coolest and heaviest thing in the world. I somehow coerced my mother into buying me their debut album, Sinner, and it was a favorite of mine for some time. This was 14 years ago, though. I’ve changed a lot in the second half of my life since then, but the recent release of whatever passes as Drowning Pool these day’s new album made curious: Is there still a weird, nostalgia laden place in my heart for this album, or have the sands of time stripped it of any beauty it once held?

I put on my headphones, and as soon as I hit play it all comes back to me. Every single word, every single note… I remember it all. The opening triplet of “Sinner,” “Bodies,” and “Tear Away” got my head nodding, though certainly not as vigorously as in my youth. My eyes have been opened to heavier and more interesting acts leaving Sinner feeling a bit plain in comparison, though nowhere near as stale or groan-inducing as other gateway bands like Disturbed or Godsmack. I think a big part of that is that they’re never quite as knuckle-draggingly “don’t fuck with me, bro!” as the rest of the nu-metal movement, a sentiment that has caused bigger and bigger sighs the older I have gotten.

Another might be the voice of Dave Williams. The man really gives songs like “Sinner” and “Follow” some gusto, and I can’t help but think the band would be much bigger if he hadn’t passed. As the album moves along into its middle section, the songs start to blur together a bit, but they all remain rather quick and upbeat. Brevity is one of this album’s strengths, and I somehow don’t even mean that disparagingly. As I reach “Mute” I find myself thankful that this album hasn’t been nearly as awful as I anticipated it being with over a decade of life experience separating me from it. Hell, at some points it’s even enjoyable! It’s lost almost all of its bite, but it can still bring a child-like smile to your face akin to finding your old action figures in a box in the attic. It brings to mind your youth and simpler times while also helping you to realize you’ve come a long way.

Listening to this album has done just that for me. Rather than reflecting on the music and thinking about just how different my taste is, or laughing at just how bad it could be, I sat and thought about where I was and where I am. Like I said, this album was a literal half of a lifetime ago. Looking back and connecting the dots from being a lost and angry preteen to being an even more lost and slightly less angry adult and doing so in parallel with my musical taste has been fascinating and humbling. The musical journey has been an almost perfect reflection of the life journey, from being dumb and angry at the world to being more thoughtful and expressing rage at certain ideas or seemingly unchangeable patterns.

I assure you when I came up with this post I wanted to do nothing more than make fun of how bad our collective tastes were as youths. I wanted to make fun of Drowning Pool and yell “LOL what were we thinking!?” but I obviously got lost and taken somewhere more reflective. I suppose that alone should tell me that Sinner, whether a masterpiece or merely just the rat king of the shit mountain of nu-metal, will certainly always hold a place in my heart. To my younger self this album was the whole world, and as my older self sits here listening and reflecting I can absolutely understand why.

 

Is there an album from a gateway band that means a lot to you? Do you often revisit it? Let’s discuss it and ruminate on our wasted youths in the comments below!

  • DVRKBEVRD

    i was certain this was gonna be a McNulty article

    • Leif Bearikson

      My work here is done.

  • RustyShackleford

    If you don’t rage when “Bodies” comes on the local buttrock FM station, you have no goddamn soul. Yup!

  • Guacamole Jim

    I for sure feel the same way about a few gateway nu metal albums. Satellite by POD, Hybrid Theory by Linkin Park were probably the big ones for me. I still go back and listen to them relatively often, and I still quite enjoy them. There’s a lot of nostalgia in that kind of music for me.

    Interestingly enough, I discovered a nu metal band I’d never heard of later in my life, and they kinda stuck – maybe it’s because of the kinda lolbuttzy vocals. Who knows. All that to just say no genre of music is inherently “bad” – it’s just a matter of personal taste.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pdi_KiAgmQ4

    • RustyShackleford

      I always say that, if a certain sound captures an era of your life super well, there’s gotta be some value in it (even if in hindsight it pretty much sucks lol). Nostalgia is a helluva drug brother!

      • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

        Time and a place……

        • Dubs

          Indeed. And you can even be objective about things that were from that time and place as nostalgic but not necessarily holding up.

          • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

            Exactly.

          • Guacamole Jim

            I think it’s silly, but natural, to reject the things we liked during our awkward teenage years. It seems to go one of two ways: either a longterm allegiance is solidified, and nothing will ever shake it, or we look back on what we liked then with distinctly tinted lenses, and hate it. Nu metal, for whatever reason, seems to be the thing we look back on and hate, and why? What’s inherently bad about it?

          • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

            The music, in all seriousness. The clothes, the bad lyrics, “breaking stuff”. It was forced angst.

          • Guacamole Jim

            I’ll agree with you somewhat – a lot of it was forced angst, to appeal to teens. But I don’t think the sound, when it got started, was manufactured. Actually, it’s one of the last times I can think of that a non-manufactured music made it into the mainstream.

          • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

            I’ll agree with that for the most part. Nothing starts out as a fad, until it becomes one……

          • RustyShackleford

            I agree. Stuff like Korn kinda sucks in hindsight, but I actually find their sound pretty innovative…if that makes sense

          • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

            See, I always find that strange. So, they were using seven strings. But so did Morbid Angel. And Morbid Angel did it a lot better, in terms of technicality and riffs.

          • RustyShackleford

            Yeah, and I’m not saying Morbid Angel ain’t a shitload better. Korn had a pretty different set of influences and came up with a totally new sound. Maybe we think it sucks, but I still think it was very original.

          • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

            Well, Morbid Angel was very innovative in terms of riffs, leads and of course blast.

          • RustyShackleford

            This is a statement that I would describe as a true statement.

          • I found about about Morbid Angel via Korn. They used to namedrop them in guitar mags back in the day.

          • this statement could work as either satire or truth.

          • 100% srs.

          • Man, I remember that time period when it seemed like every metal band was using 7-string guitars. Crazy out that sort of diminished away.

          • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

            It was an epidemic.

          • you might have just stumbled upon what makes shitty music. any time something becomes a trend, a fad, an EPIDEMIC… it’s not gonna last.

          • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

            Maybe. But when thrash got big, you had clones, same with death metal, black metal, glam metal. Etc. Certain bands within those genres may stand the test of time, but there is a lot of shit to weed through.

          • Dubs

            I think thrash got especially bloated, tbh.

          • Boss the “Hoss” Ross

            Oooooh, I’m telling Simon.

          • That reminds me, I’m looking forward to seeing Hobbs Angel of Death.

          • Dubs

            Enjoy!

          • I shall! I’ll take many photos to share. Now that I have an iTouch. Love this thing. Sick ass camera too!

          • Dubs

            Yah, the cameras on smart devices have gotten surprisingly good! All my concert photos end up looking pink and blue, though.

          • Damn! Yeah, I’m stoked to use it for sure. Hopefully I don’t lose it by then. My damn luck.

          • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

            Yeah, big time as did death metal. Those two were the most mainstream, anyway.

          • That whole melodeath scene really got bloated fast.

          • Dubs

            Which is unfortunate because some of the earliest bands there were incredible.

          • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

            Yeah, agreed.

          • Rob M

            It didnt help when metalcore came around and regurgitated all those riffs yet again

          • Fuck. Good call.

          • Guac-o. I recommend to you reading this if you haven’t: http://decibelmagazine.com/blog/2015/8/13/they-did-it-all-for-the-nookie-decibel-explores-the-rise-and-fall-of-nu-metal

            ““You get frustrated when your music is only available to small groups of people based on what kind it is, and that handcuffs you as an artist,” Kelly Shaefer says. He speaks from experience, having been a founding member of the critically lauded and commercially ignored Atheist, formed in 1984. Progressive, pioneering and incredibly complex, the band has enjoyed a new level of recognition in the last decade, but after third album Elements was met with indifference in 1993, Shaefer started Neurotica, a rock-turned-nü-metal band that existed for eight years during the trend, releasing three records and playing the 2002 Ozzfest. “As a musician, you want an opportunity to go out and play for 50,000 people,” he admits “And that’s when people want to make a change. Not necessarily to fit in, but you want to get in front of as many people as possible. And when your music only draws 150 people, then you’re like, ‘Fuck this. How can we get out there and get more attention?’”

          • Janitor Jim Duggan

            I love the cover of I Am The Walrus Neurotica did.

          • Guacamole Jim

            Good point, sir Link. Good fucking point.

          • The still of the video with the guy’s mouth always cracks me up, jajajajajaja!!

          • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

            God damn it, Link.

          • DUDE, PAWNED BY VENEZUELA INTERNET POLICIA

          • i’ll tell you what’s inherently bad about it: it followed a FAD. once something blows up overnight and all the bands do the same thing to “keep up with the jonses” … that’s when it doesn’t stand the test of time.

          • brokensnow

            …I like the stuff that has held up and can have some artistic value. The other I just grin, shake my head and realize im a much more nuanced and broadened person than when i was 14…..while i tap my toe and sing alone…

      • RepostedAvengedSevenfoldFan2

        Nu metal was the greatest genre, and it had the best fashion also.?

        -GoldFist090, 2 weeks ago

    • Janitor Jim Duggan

      I prefer Pressure 4-5 and The Deadlights. The Deadlights are reuniting for a tribute show for their late singer.

      • brokensnow

        Tey were sooooooo bad……………………ssssssssssssssssssooooooooooooooooooooooooooo bad. I was bands like them (darwins waiting room, shuvel, endo) that made me look else ware for hard rock and metal.

  • When you suggested this as a post I wasn’t sure what to expect, but I’m impressed by your thoughtful approach to rediscovering something “shameful” from youth.

    • Leif Bearikson

      I figured I’d just throw some bodies at the floor and see what stuck.

  • Salvador Dalí Lama

    Allow me to debate these statements with a well reasoned response:

    1) nothin wrong with me

    2) nothin wrong with me

    3) nothin wrong with me

    • Are you suggesting that something has to give?

      GL

      • RustyShackleford

        *GOT to give

        GL plz

      • Boss the “Hoss” Ross

        I think he is suggesting somethings got to give.

        • Boss the “Hoss” Ross

          Damn, i can’t believe i did that.

          • Dave Vincent’s Perm

          • Boss the “Hoss” Ross

            NICE!!!

          • Dave Vincent’s Perm

            Needs taking down the shop for a decent setup, I think it’s been lying in the case for a while.

          • Boss the “Hoss” Ross

            Good call.

          • Dave Vincent’s Perm

            For now I’ve jammed two thirds of a deck of cards in the trem cavity to stop it from floating.

          • Boss the “Hoss” Ross

            Ha, dang. It was that bad?

          • Dave Vincent’s Perm

            It isn’t as bad as I’m making it sound, the deck of cards is so that I can adjust the action by changing how many cards there are.

          • Boss the “Hoss” Ross

            Right on

        • You best not let your body hit the floor, son.

          FLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAOOOORRRR!!!

  • Dubs

    I made a comment similar to this on another post, but I still have a soft spot for some Metallica’s lolbuttzier material simply because they were largely the first metal band I got into. I think if you look at Load and Reload not as metal albums, you could glean enough from either release (though more from Load as it’s the better album) to put together a decent bluesy rock album. The longer tracks on Load especially, like “Bleeding Me” and “Outlaw Torn” have a sort of soulful approach that I can still jive with years later.

    • Leif Bearikson

      Bleeding Me and Outlaw Torn rule so hard. CAUGHT UNDER WHEEEEEELS ROLLLLLL.

      For real, that song got me through some tough times. It still resonates.

  • Not sure if I share the same “gateway/numetal band” experience as many likely do, but Dokken’s Under Lock and Key is my go to music. Probably listen to it three or four times a month while doing laundry, dishes, whatever. Always a great listen, no regrets.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-0ySVigKRo

    • My back up is always Shadows Fall’s The War Within. It was pretty killer circa 04′.

      GL

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Duza2kNIS3w

      • Another cultural differences moment: I only met like 3 people that knew of this band and in the description says that it is the best selling album of Century Media Records.

      • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

        Yeah I don’t think that album is terrible at all, though even back then I always preferred what Lamb of God and Chimaira were doing.

        • I guess I always thought the riffs and leads were much better with SF. All were good, though!

          • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

            Oh yeah from a technical point of view I even think Shadows Fall were always the better musicians. But I always found Lamb of God and Chimaira to sound more “threatening” back then, something which resonates more with me. And I still spin As the Palaces Burn or Chimaira’s S/T every now and then. Don’t really enjoy Shadows Fall anymore.

          • I didn’t spinned a whole record of Shadows Falls because fucking Limewire never downloaded the whole thing.

            Anyways, I always dig those melodies.

          • DVRKBEVRD

            i remember seeing Lamb of God touring with All That Remains wayyy back then. it was a good show

          • I have seen All That Remains 6 times. Never because I have went to see them, but rather they just so happened to be on the bill. Crazy!

          • ME GORAK B.C.™

            CHIMAIRA ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
            IMPOSSIBILITY OV REASON>>>>>>>

      • my friends and i were enamored with The Art of Balance, and when this one came out we lost interest. that’s when Shadows Fall went full good cop/bad cop

      • Janitor Jim Duggan

        I’ve seen Shadows Fall with Hatebreed and The Acacia Strain. Shadows Fall was good.

  • 14 years ago I was too busy being blown away by Origin’s “Informis Infinitas Inhumanitas” to care about this.

    • So is that the origin of your heavy music interest?

      lol

    • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

      Same. I got my “gateway” shit out of the way early on and was listening to Black Sabbath consistently by the time I was 13.

      • brokensnow

        ….sabbath could be considered gateway.

      • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

        Would that be considered a gold star?

        • I guess so, in any case I’m not trying to be a dick. I’m being serious here. That album was one of the first extreme metal albums I ever found out about on my own. 2002 was sort of the year I started getting involved in extreme metal.

          • I understand you, but I think the Leif question was way back. I don’t think you jumped exactly to Origin to listen what you like.

            Do you think it was Van Halen? (I think you commented about that, but can’t remember very well).

          • Yeah, but I still like Van Halen.

          • m/ is all i have to say.

        • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

          I think it’s the Hardee’s logo.

          • Those were everywhere when I was living in VA.

          • DVRKBEVRD

            still everywhere

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

            Yup, there’s at least 3 of them here in Newport News. Hampton has a shitload of them as well, mostly around the poorer areas.

          • Janitor Jim Duggan

            They have one near me. Such good food.

          • Óðinn
    • DVRKBEVRD

      still a classic. too bad their new stuff is so poopy

      • Yeah, I haven’t given much of a shit about them since Antithesis with the whole original line-up.

        • DVRKBEVRD

          yep

        • Dubs

          Looks like that’s the last album I bought from them. Had to check.

        • Origin blew my mind in every sense of the word when i discovered them (with Antithesis). i consider Entity to be their best. also, can confirm that they are GREAT live but Jason needs to stop with the tough guy persona (i.e. “Start a fucking circle pit, motherfuckers!!”) i’m like “is this Origin or Hatebreed?”
          paul and mike are two of the sweetest guys i’ve met in heavy metal.

    • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

      Haven’t heard that one. Antithesis is the only one I’ve liked, and that one rarely gets played around my way. It’s not exactly good for replay value.

    • Leif Bearikson

      13 year old me would have turned Origin off ASAP. I was one of those “screaming isn’t music” children, but then I became an adult.

  • Great review, señor mustachos.

    Regarding your last question, this would be my pick. I heavily spinned this record, it was the first record I even bought (lots of hunger mornings to save money for this).

    nb4 Scrimm’s NOPENOPENOPENOPE

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Egq50s5tsHQ

    • Leif Bearikson

      I was pretty big on SOAD. Hypnotize and mesmerize got played A LOT. Maybe I’ll give those a few spins, too…

  • Guy Fieri is Drowning Pool’s personal chef.

  • Spear

    I guess if there’s anything from my musical past that you could call “shameful,” it’d be Sum 41’s “Chuck.” I still think that had a couple decent tunes on it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoG8YL9kqO0

    • spear as somebody with no shame, i’m proud to say that this ain’t bad.

      • Spear

        Really though, we’re all having this discussion on Toilet ov Hell. Anybody with any sense of shame left are lying to themselves pretty hard.

        • HA good point. perhaps that is what brings us together.

          • TrickleDownOvTacoKvltRiff

            that and “memeluv”

    • RustyShackleford

      Similar to my original comment, if you don’t jam the fuck out when Fat Lip comes on…again…YOU HAVE NO SOUL! lol

    • I know Pumpkin Baby (RIP) agrees

      • Guacamole Jim

        What happened to the Pumpkin Baby?

        • I think he’s just busy being a rock n’ roll man

          • Spear

            Can confirm, just met him the other day while he was rockin’ and rollin’

    • I think there are a couple real gud songs on it. Sum 41 was part of my descent into heavy musiq. I used to watch the tour DVD from Does This Look Infected with my friends.

    • Leif Bearikson

      Does This Look Infected and Chuck rule. NO SHAME.

  • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

    I was very much alive and kicking throughout the dreaded “nu metal” era as well. Even to the point that during high school “nu metal” was the only “metal” we were confronted with. Internet back then wasn’t as huge as it is now, at least not in this shithole called Belgium. We had some “Rock TV” programme on MTV, wish was one of my only sources in getting to know new heavy bands. And back then, the bands getting any coverage weren’t exactly bands such as Suffocation or Celtic Frost. They went by the names of Taproot, Spineshank, 40 Below Summer, Coal Chamber, Drowning Pool, Disturbed, Ill Nino…and of course Korn, Deftones, Slipknot, Mudvayne and System of a Down.
    Now most of them never actually did anything for me (back then I was still more into hip hop and was just getting to know metal). I liked the first Ill Nino album, but moved on from that rather quickly. But back then there were already a few albums that displayed a sound to me that I could call “interesting”. Those were…

    Korn’s S/T
    System of a Down’s S/T and (later) Toxicity
    Deftones’ Adrenaline, Around the Fur and (later) White Pony
    Mudvayne’s LD50 and (later) The End of All Things To Come
    Slipknot’s S/T and (later) Iowa

    And low and behold, even now I’ve explored tons of other subgenres, all of those albums still have their place in my collection and I actually still like them. Today I still am a Deftones fan and enjoy their entire discography, while the discography of those other bands doesn’t do a thing for me outside of the albums I mentioned.

    Personally, I don’t think I should be “ashamed” for liking them, because “good” or “bad” is a matter of opinion. And in my opinion, those albums are actually good representations of their genre. Thanks to those albums I had later on my socks blown off by stuff such as Metallica’s first four, Pantera’s discography, Machine Head’s Burn My Eyes and The More Things Change and later on Lamb of God’s As the Palaces Burn. All albums I still like as well. Without those albums I wouldn’t have been tempted to check out Morbid Angel, Darkthrone, Death, Neurosis or Napalm Death.

    Personally I don’t see any problem in enjoying Korn’s S/T, while at the same time being able to thoroughly enjoy Celtic Frost, Immolation, Saint Vitus and Mercyful Fate as well. And even if I do have a “shitty” taste (whatever that means anyways), at the end of the day it’s my taste and I’m the one that has to live with that. And to me it’s working out just fine.

    • RustyShackleford

      I love love love the first two Slipknot albums, especially Iowa. Total game changer in my life!

      • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

        The thing I like about the first two albums were the aggression and the chaotic wackiness. I even think those first two have a weird and unique atmosphere and an actual uncomparable sound of their own.
        The strange thing is, a lot of people claim that Vol III was their best album but personally I can’t stand that album. It’s from there on that the band, to me at least, descended into being nothing more than a limp pop-metal gimmick. I feel those first two albums for me were already a precursor for the kind of malicious atmosphere I later on came to love in a lot of doom, death, sludge and black metal.

        • I see that everyone of us can relate in a thing of your perspective.

          For example, System of a Down had a very unique sound and it had a distinct melodic sense, so I def carried over to check that in other styles and music.

        • RustyShackleford

          Great point about the atmosphere, so true!

        • Rizzle01

          I agree. I was sooo disappointed when Vol 3 came out. I remember driving back from the mall listening to it the day it came thinking wtf is this sissy shit?

          • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

            Same here. I remember hearing Duality and Before I Forget before the whole album was released and I immediately thought ‘fuck is this shit?’. I never even liked Left Behind (still think it’s quite shitty and the worst song on Iowa), but Vol III was filled to the brim with songs that were even more arena rock than Left Behind is.

            Slipknot were always kind of gimmicky and maybe this sounds stupid, but at the time Slipknot were coming up with their debut album they really did have a bit of a malicious image. And that weird, slightly industrial-tinged atmosphere of S/T and Iowa still has its charms.

    • Still like Korn’s S/T, Slipknot’s 1st, all SOAD and Deftones. Good music is good music.

    • Saw Korn twice during the 90s, also saw SOAD w/The Mars Volta opening in 2005. All were great shows with the exception of having to suffer through Limp Bizkit at Family Values 1998.

      • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

        I’ve seen Limp Bizkit live at some fest once as well. Quite shitty. They even stopped playing too early.

        • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

          It’s never too early for them to stop playing! Even if they played a cover of Napalm Death’s ‘You Suffer’ and got off the stage, that’d be far too long.

          • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

            True, but it’s still a shitty thing to do towards the people that actually got off their ass to see your shitty band play.

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

            True. If they wanted that, they’d go see Durst’s old pals Puddle Of Mudd.

          • YOU STOLE MY HOUSE

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls
          • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

            To be honest, at least I can get a chuckle out of Limp Bizkit because of how cringeworthily dumb and stupid it is. I mean, it’s so fucking retarded you can’t even believe people actually create music like that. And that’s why it’s actually hilarious.

            There’s however nothing funny about Puddle of Shit’s blandness.

          • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

            Their singer’s recent meltdowns are entertaining, in a schadenfreude sorta way, though.

    • Janitor Jim Duggan

      I love 40 Below Summer and Spineshank! I hate Ill Nino though.

      • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

        I never liked 40 Below Summer, Spineshank, Taproot… Those bands always felt like soulless cash grab bandwagon jumping nu metal bands to me. Ill Nino is basically the same, but at least they tried to do it a little (little little) different with adding some of that Latin flavor. Out of those second-tier nu metal bands Ill Nino’s debut album was one of the more tolerable things to emerge, though it was far from great. Some of the songs on it were surprisingly heavy, others were pure shit. Their second album sounded like complete ass and I stopped listening to them altogether.

  • nbm02ss

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/ba/Dirt.jpg

    I still listen to this album, a lot.

    • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

      Well, that’s a damn good album.

      • nbm02ss

        Really the only thing I can attribute to being into heavier music is that I’m a 90s kid that grew up south of Seattle. Right place; right time.

        • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

          Makes sense.

    • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

      One of my favorites.

    • Man, that album is great!

    • Boss the “Hoss” Ross

      Cantrell tears that album up!

      • DVRKBEVRD

        i had an ex whose last name was Cantrell

        • Boss the “Hoss” Ross

          Any relation?

          • DVRKBEVRD

            nope, but i used to tell people she was

          • Boss the “Hoss” Ross

            Hahahaha!

          • it was the same guy.

          • Boss the “Hoss” Ross

            DAMN

    • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

      Definitely nothing wrong with that! It’s still as dark and haunting all these years later.

      • nbm02ss

        What’s my drug of choice
        Well what have you got
        I don’t go broke
        And I do it a lot

  • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

    I can thankfully say with a straight face that I listened to good music in middle school and high school, and much of it still pops up on my playlists. Thankfully the whole nu metal wave flew over my head, as people looked at my shirts in school and scratched their heads (“What the fuck is a Wumpscut?!?!?”).

    • brokensnow

      So you were that one industrial/goth/Gabber kid.

      • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

        YEP!!!!!! Couldn’t get into gabbercore, though. Berserker’s about as close as I could get into that, and that’s a very very long shot.

  • TrickleDownOvTacoKvltRiff

    Not gonna lie…

    • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

      And other brothers can’t deny…….

      • TrickleDownOvTacoKvltRiff

        even if they try…

        • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

          You get sprung!

  • Maik Beninton™

    Sinner is a good nu metal album.
    I guess I’m too young to say what albums still uphold for me, though I already started to clean up some of the stuff that doesn’t anymore.

  • Waynecro

    Great article, man. I’ll cop to owning the first Coal Chamber CD and the first Slipknot CD; however, even during that period, I was mostly listening to Slayer and Pantera.

    • ME GORAK B.C.™

      LOCO!!!!!!!!

      • Waynecro

        I blame Strangeland–that Dee Snider movie.

        • ME GORAK B.C.™

          VIDEO WAS EXTRA ON DVD!!!!!
          #GORAK REMEMBERS

          • Waynecro

            I was hanging out with this goth kid who always wore a top hat at the time, and he loved that movie and pretty much all nu-metal.

        • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

          Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh, that movie was lolbuttz!

        • frozengoatsheadupanunsarse

          Somehow I find that film really tempting, even though I’m sure it won’t be much cop.

          • Waynecro

            The acting is impressive in all the wrong ways.

          • frozengoatsheadupanunsarse

            Well that’s a plus!

      • nbm02ss

        I think I whimpered when I read this. I hate that song so goddamn much. My sis used to play it on repeat for hours.

      • oh Gorak, up to your old tricks

  • tigeraid

    Much the same for me I think. I was guilty of the odd Limp Bizkit, Disturbed, Slipknot or Korn listen. And yeah, I fucking rocked that “Bodies” tune from Drowning Pool for a bit too.

    And much like Leif, I find when I hear this shit that I get nostalgic, but not necessarily in a positive way.

    But I think the definite takeaway from it? It’s Pop music. It may be metal (of a sort,) but let us not kid ourselves–it was Pop, from a particular time and place. Nu-Metal is the Hair Metal of the 90s. And like Hair Metal, the common denominator is that they had their 15 minutes of fame, and now no one fucking listens to them. Slipknot is maybe the exception, though I’d argue it’s Corey Taylor’s charisma, a steller live act, and his work in Stone Sour, that helped keep them alive.

    Did I listen to this shit for 5 minutes in 1998? Yes. And now I don’t, because it’s fucking awful. Did I listen to …And Justice For All in 1998? Yes, and I still do. Because it’s fucking great.

    • ME GORAK B.C.™

      GOOD IDEA!!!!!!!!!!!!
      https://youtu.be/YkWLz1FMThg

    • Slipknot has always employed talented musicians. a typical “Joe Tryhard” might not like their music, but to deny Mr. Jordisons’ drumming is downright silly.

      • ¡JAJAJAJAJA!

      • King Shit of Fuck Mountain

        He was the most talented by a long shot, but the production sounded poopy.

        • can’t argue with that one, brother!

        • BobLoblaw

          Not saying a whole lot really.

      • tigeraid

        eeeh fair enough, I honestly just never got into them, because I’m a vocal guy, and don’t enjoy the shouty/yelly/rappy/no melodic performance that is MOST Slipknot songs. I do on the other hand, really enjoy Stone Sour, for the same reason. So Slipknot never clicked with me.

        But when I saw them with LoG in Toronto last year, their live performance blew me away.

      • more beer

        They have a guy who hits a keg with a bat. How is that a talented musician?

        • ahhhhh, that’s a question better for a percussion aficionado like @Stockhausen:disqus

          • more beer

            How about a beer question. Why wasn’t that keg returned and the deposit used for more beer?

  • DVRKBEVRD

    so, i feel like this topic has been here many times. one of the first cassette tapes i ever bought, as a boy, was Green Jelly. shortly after was the beginning of the numetal craze. here i discovered Marilyn Manson. it showed me that metal could have a more devious message. then i discovered Panteras Far Beyond Driven, which showed me THE RIFF. i can always comw back to this album. then, the next transformative album was Amon Amarths With Oden On Our Side (infinitely blastable), which was probably my intro to modern extreme metal. then, perhaps it was Agalloch that got me to where i am now

  • Also, the scene in Jason X with David Cronenberg is a classic.

    • Ayyy did you hear this? Seems right up your alley. https://thehexagram.bandcamp.com/album/demo-mmxvi

    • frozengoatsheadupanunsarse

      Shame the rest of the film sucks syphilitic donkey balls.

      • Rob M

        No way…Jason X is the best comedy of 2001

        • Dubs

          LOL

        • Janitor Jim Duggan

          It was a good comedy. I have the Friday the 13th Blu Ray box set.

      • Haha, yeah. It has its charm though. Some hilarious scenes.

      • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

        I saw it for free since I was working at a theater, thankfully.

    • Leif Bearikson

      YES! Truly a legend in every respect.

  • frozengoatsheadupanunsarse

    I think the first salvo of albums I burned from a friends (at the time) improbably huge Media Player collection was Hybrid Theory (Linkin Park), Break The Cycle (Staind) ANThology (Alien Ant Farm), Make Yourself (Incubus) and Origin of Symmetry (Muse). All of which in their different ways were perfect albums for me at the time, variously comforting, stimulating, toe tapping, frenzy making and so on. I still think Origin of Symmetry is great, and the AAF song Movies occasionally makes it to my drunk listening. Of the rest I think the nicest I can say is that Hybrid Theory I can acknowledge is perfectly successful at what it sets out to do even if it does nothing for me any more.

    I got into System of a Down and Deftones quite soon after that first burst, and think both those bands are still pretty great, with Deftones actually at their best on the first two albums.

  • Warheart

    I started as true and then in high school the explosion of Nu Metal happened and all my buddies were listening that shit, over and over again in the workshop, and somehow I began to appreciate it, these days, I still found the firsts from Korn and SOAD tolerable, and I have a great respect for Deftones.

  • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

    Well, there is one (and only) nu metal band I like, and all of you already know who it is. And I don’t have the ignorance of youth to hide behind on this one. :-p

    • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

      Deftones? SOAD?

      • Lisa Ling: Devourer Of Souls

        Nope. Hint: shitty city, bad water.

        • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

          Hahaha! I know who you’re hinting at. Well, every band deserves its fans. Even after listening some of their newer stuff, I don’t really see myself getting into them. But if someone else enjoys them, all good.

  • Max

    I was too old for un-metal (EDIT: nu-metal). Whenever it came on the metal hour of the community radio station I listened to back then, I just mentally tuned out and waited for something deathier/blacker to come into rotation.

    But it was difficult to avoid; and I ended up buying Three Dollar Bill Y’all a few years after its release just to see what the fuss was about. I maintain that that’s a well-produced record with a few good songs, but I can’t say anything kinder.

    I also bought Slipknot’s self-titled about ten years after its release. I remembered that back then, they’d been the one nu-metal band where “true” metalheads thought were actually good, and for whom the genre tag was perhaps not fair. Also, Joey Jordinson is the same age as me and from what I gleaned in interviews, he has pretty much the same record collection (except better). So how bad could they be?

    But the record didn’t set me on fire at all. It just sounded gimmicky and over-cooked.

    As for Korn, I bought Life is Peachy when I was in a cover band and briefly toying with the idea of playing “A.D.I.D.A.S”. Again – a few good songs. It’s the only one of the three I’ve held onto.

    • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

      Funny you mention Slipknot as a band that ‘true’ metalheads could enjoy back then, but now you mentioned it I have this vague memory of Slipknot – at the time they were coming up with their first album – being regarded as at least somewhat of a ‘scary’ band. Probably not scary to people who had been fans of the first hour of stuff such as Souls At Zero, None So Vile or Streetcleaner, but generally speaking – and to the casual metal fan and certainly those just getting into metal – there was a certain eerie mood surrounding Slipknot’s image and music (and to this day I still think a song such as ‘Scissors’ is somewhat disturbing).
      Oh how times have changed…

      • Max

        Yes, they did have something of that vibe; which the likes of Linkin Park clearly didn’t.

        • FrankWhiteKingOfNY

          Back then Linkin Park was extremely popular with the kids that were even younger than me. Boys, girls, even moms and dads…everybody seemed to like that band back then. What they basically were though, was somewhat of a “boys band” in heavy rock music’s clothing. From a business point of view I do admire how succesful the marketing of that band was.

  • JWEG

    Despite mid-90’s teenage flirtation with the usual suspects (late glam metal, nu metal, and the more ‘alternative metal’ of the bands lumped into the “grunge” term by the confused mainstream) I count my definitive ‘gateway’ being only 11 years ago.

    I was just coming off an exclusively indie/folk rock phase (not totally abandoned: see some of my recent posts) and was drawn into the metal genre through the folk (& viking) metal explosion of the middle of the last decade, which explains why a huge portion of my collection from those years is from Napalm Records. I’ve come out of it with more of an appreciation for Primordial and Moonsorrow and that sort of band that was ambiguously-associated with the term rather than being an obviously more-folk-than-metal type (with possible exception for Arkona, who sort of skirt the boundary between the two).

    That said, I am not at all embarrassed to note that my sure gateway band was initially Korpiklaani (literally gateway: each of those other three bands came to my attention by touring with them). And I still maintain some appreciation, mainly by lowered expectations (plus alcohol).

    Any of those other three could easily count as gateway bands into wider genre appreciation, though. Without them I’d not have explored the range and depth (and history) of the European metal scene. So I might still be one of those guys who think North American Thrash (which I was exposed to and surrounded by at various points between 1985 and 1995) was the only subgenre worth my attention.

  • Eliza

    There was a time I was weirdly obsessed with Aerosmith. I don’t understand why.

    • Leif Bearikson

      I don’t understand why, either.

      • Eliza

        The worst part is that my family thinks I’m stil into them, even though my obsession with them was short-lived.